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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! welcome to "unfiltered." here's tonight's headline. fire storm in california. president trump was in california today as wildfires continue to tear through the state. the death toll from the fires currently stands at 74, while more than a thousand people remain unaccounted for. speaking alongside california governor jerry brown and governor elect gavin nusome, the president proposed a robust federal response to the daily blazes. >> see what's happened here. nobody would have ever thought this could have happened.
so the federal government is behind you. we're all behind each other. as far as the lives are concerned, nobody knows quite yet. up to a certain number but we have a lot of people that aren't accounted for and this is the kind of destruction, i'm telling you, this is even not as bad as some areas. some areas are beyond this, just charred. >> joining us for the latest from chico, california, kaylee hartung. what do you know, kaylee? >> reporter: with smoke still heavy in the air, president trump visited the site of the most destructive wildfire in california's history. people here welcoming the visit in the sense that they received that promise from him of resources, of support. people here telling me butte county needs all they can get. some of the comments earlier in the week hurt them as he threatened to withhold federal
funds, this promise of resources is what they hoped to hear. i'm in this pop-up camp site that's been built outside of a walmart. we're at the bottom of the hill that paradise sits on top of here in chico, about ten miles away from paradise. the town that has been wiped off the map essentially. so many people here coming here in the wake of the chaos of evacuations last thursday. some people sleeping in these tenl tenl tents as many as eight nights now. it was supposed to be short-term. a donation center has been set up at the far end of the parking lot. volunteers here to offer their time. people continually dropping off supplies from clothing, food, and medical supplies and now the conversations are beginning to be had about what to do with the couple hundred people who are still here in tents. people here who need more permanent solutions, shelters continue to open and people continue to have the kindness of
strangers there to help them, but s.e., the hope again being that president trump's here gave him a better understanding of the dire need that so many people here have. >> yeah. kaylee, thanks for joining us tonight. i appreciate your reporting. president trump appears to have taken a more presidential tone very recently. so here's tonight's other headline. a tale of two trumps? since midterm election losses, set a very bad terrible no good couple of weeks and it's shown. his original response to the california fires was to callously threaten to pull federal funding, lashing out at california what he called a gross mismanagement of the forests. in congress, democrats continued to win close elections picking up a net gain of 34 seats. six races still remain to be called with democrats leading in five of them and yet trump seemed unchasant. just yesterday, not being told
the republican is on track to pick up two seats. an epic victory. the fake news media only wants to speak of the house where the midterm results were better than other sitting presidents. if that makes you feel better. on another front, the mueller investigation closing in on completion and trump feeling the heat. he recently lashed out. >> there never should have been any mueller investigation because there was nothing done wrong, in collusion, there never has been. you would have known about it a long time ago. the witch hunt should never have taken place. it continues to go on. i imagine it's ending now, from what i hear, it's ending and i'm sure it will be just fine. >> and the president's problems cross the pond. following trump's disastrous trip to paris to commemorate the 100th anniversary. french president emanuel macron
took a clear shot at trump in a speech slamming nationalism, embarrassing the president while he sat watching. and as we'll discuss later, a judge just ruled in favor of his favorite nemesis, cnn, demanding the white house return jim acosta's press pass and his favorite news outlet, fox news, sided with us. trump says he's going to write new rules for the media to follow when questioning him. these are the actions of a president who finds his roster of stooges shrinking and his back against the wall. so that's postelection trump 1.0, but in just the past 24 hours, we've seen a different trump. today as he toured the california wildfires with governor jerry brown and gavin newsom, heaped praise on the democratic officials and a far more sympathetic and collaborative tone, even suggesting he'd work with environmental groups in the future. also today, he praised georgia
gubernatorial candidate stacy abrams who he said fought brilliantly and hard. she will have a terrific political future and andrew gillum who he said would be a strong democratic warrior long into the future, a force to reckon with. we're also seeing a contrite trump who in an interview with fox news's chris wallace express some rare regret for not visiting arlington cemetery on veterans day. i won't use the dreaded "p" word, pivot, but is trump 2.0 softening in defeat or just taking a short time-out from his usual fire and fury? here's the deal. i'll believe trump 2.0 is more than just a blip when i see it. after all, life sais about to g rough for the president. governing is hard work and about to get harder without republicans controlling all the levers. his three hour workday about to go bye-bye. and there's also the deluge of
subpoenas coming back with democrats retaking the house the next two years the equivalent of a rectal exam for trump. at this point, there's little he can do about it. and then there's the lack of trust in the people around him. according to reports, he's preparing to fire several key allies including chief of staff john kelly, homeland security kerstin nielsen, already small list of con iffi kerstin nielsen, already small list of con iffdants and loyal advisers and then the shrinking base. it's not big as it once was and can't be relied over the goal line in 2020. all this means trump 1.0 is likely to return and with a vengeance. all right, for more on this, let me bring in my guest, cnn political commentators, kevin madden and democratic strategist maria cardona. kevin, i'll start with you. it's not a small deal. trump changed his tone in the past 24 hours.
he is not prone to self-reflection and yet he said, maybe he should have gone to arlington. he'd been praised on political opponents including nancy pelosi. is it possible he's been a little chasant by defeat? >> it's been 24 hours. let's judge it against the past 600 days, right? so every once in a while in the past 600 days or so, there have been 24 hour periods where we've all taken a step back and said, well, that's interesting. but trump, you know, very much lives in a reflection of like the last 30 minutes of what he is seeing personally. he's very much a reactionary politician and it's impossible, i think, for the president to go out there and be around all the first responders, be around the people affected by those fires and not have a more conciliatory tone or a more thoughtful tone about presidency. and also, i think in being asked questions on a very friendly news america like fox news in
the interview tomorrow, that's supposed to air tomorrow, having a little bit of contrition in the moment but i could, if i have one guarantee, if that was asked by another news network or a journalist he did not view very favorably, he would have given an entirely different argument and would have been argumentative to the question. >> maria, do you think, one could also argue he's sort of progressing through the stages of grief. first, there was anger, and then a little denial. now maybe acceptance. what do you make of the last 24 hours of trump? >> i tend to agree with you when you said you won't believe trump 2.0 until we actually see it and with kevin as well, give it 24 hours but i will pause at this. remember the reason why so many republicans ended up supporting trump was with the hope, not just of the "p" word, the tpivo which never came but the fact he
could be a deal maker. let's think about this just for a second, right? you have now a democratic congress and he saw this and, you know, he did praise nancy pelosi, surprising to all of us even saying he deserved the win and he would get republican support for her, which is kind of laughable, but you know, i gave him kudos for that. it's sort of a nod to bipartisanship, so what if now the deal making trump is thinking about arriving finally? he could get something on infrastructure. he could get a deal on immigration which has eluded democratic presidents and republican presidents in the past. what will that mean for his base? will his base let him do it? will his anti-immigrant zrierads do it, we don't know but perhaps that's something that is going on in his head saying, hey, i could become the deal maker that i told everyone i was so good at doing, that he hadn't really
been able to pull off to the extent everybody thought. we'll see. again, until i see it, i won't believe it but it's a possibility. he could come off with a lot of wins if he actually went that path. >> kevin, i came across a quote the other day from a senior white house official who told our jake tapper, quote, in this administration, there are arsonists and there are firefighters. the president is looking to get rid of the firefighters. that's quite colorful. do you think, you know, it's going to get worse over the next few weeks and certainly after january when democrats take the house? >> one of the problems right now is that the president is feeling a lot of tension because of the looming prospects of possible indictments coming down from the mueller investigation, coming to a close and one of the problems that happens there is in any administration, when you have something bad like that happen, you have turnover but also have turnover at the end of the first
two years. a lot of that is natural. so a lot of these folks are going to be leaving the white house. some trying to get new jobs, others maybe going through the campaign and get ready for the reelect, but that kind of turnover right now at a time where you're about to feel the weight of investigations and subpoena power from house democrats, i suspect that the chaos inside the white house is only going to get worse in the next few months. >> i think you're right. thank you guys. i appreciate it. we'll see you next time. >> thanks, s.e. >> great to be with you. check in next time after another 24 hours. i'll speak to a republican congressman next about how his party will adjust to the new house dynamic and later with the florida recount winding down, we'll look at the very latest.
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january 3rd. that will make a new day in america as republicans who've held the majority since 2011 will find themselves at a deficit of at least 34 seats in the house when the 116th congress takes office. the caucus has already chosen its new leadership. congressman kevin mccarthy of california easily defeated ohio
congressman jim jordan of 159 to 43. also moving up the tladder, liz cheney of wyoming, conference chairman and the first conservative house freedom caucus to arise to a leadership position will not be jim jordan but gary palmer who will become policy chairman. adam kinzinger. the gop loss in the suburbs, but he wouldn't pin the blame on the president. of course, president trump himself said pretend i'm on the ballot making it a referendum on trump. i get republicans have to spin the loss publicly but internally, do you think house republicans got the message from the elections? >> i think that remains to be seen. you know, and meeting with a lot of my colleagues this week and
as we kind of try to figure out what happened. some people say we didn't embrace trump enough and some say it's the tone of the president. i think it's the tone. i think, you know, when you look at a lot of like my district for instance, very big supporters of president trump and he does very well in my district but then look at the district by mine, randy and peter roskum, there's no doubt, suburban women are uncomfortable with the tone, even if they like the policies. it's incumbent on us now as we go into this new being in the minority, i think to really look inside and say, how are we talking about these issues? how are we selling them to the next generation? do we have a poverty agenda, for instance, do we have an agenda to help restore human dignity? these are, i think, good conversations and i'm hoping that, while i don't want to be in the minority, maybe it's an opportunity to look inside. >> people like you have those conversations. people like paul ryan have those
conversations. they speak very well, i think, about those issues. what can you do though, echls n now in the minority when the guy at the top of the party, the guy in the oval office doesn't really seem to care about tone? >> yeah, i mean, all i can do is be responsible for myself and how i speak and i think, you know, i've failed. i've crossed the red line in my tone before and i'll probably do it before again but i try every day now to be aware of. you know, it's one thing to get in a heated political argument and one thing to say, as an example, democrats want to do bad things to health care, but it's a different thing to say, democrats or republicans want to kill people or want to deny people. so how we talk about it, i think wurn one of the greatest gifts we can give is restoring how we talk about things, how we debate. we can be passionate and fiery. john mccain was passionate and fiery but he never lost respect
for people and people never lost respect for him. we need that gift back to the next generation of americans and i'm responsible for myself, i'll caug call out the president if i need to and support him every way i can but hoping to get back to that. >> how do house republicans plan to work with democrats and what are some of the issues you feel sanguine about finding some common ground? >> you know, it's really going to depend on the democrats. you know, we're going to go right into a presidential election. i've dealt with this. i was in the class that took the majority and there were a lot of people who just said, let's make our agenda now to make sure president trump or obama at the time doesn't get reelected. the question is, do they want to work with republicans on some things or just deny the president wins? that's only something they can answer where i think we can have impact is infrastructure. we have to figure out how to pay for that and how to do
infrastructure. job training. low unemployment but a lot of people that are mismatched with jobs available out there. so opioid crisis of course continues to be huge, so i think there's a lot of areas where we can get some success, if we can put aside, which is the big if, the next electionism again that we always get into. >> right. you were really critical of the president for dancing on the graves of some of the house candidates that lost. one of those candidates was mia love. it turns out, latest reporting, she might win that race after all. what do you think the president should say about that if anything? >> well, what i think he should say is call mia and congratulate her when she's declared the winner and i think realize that people like mia, like peter or randy, a lot of our friends that lost, they didn't lose because they weren't embracing the president. they lost because it was a very tough year for them and they put
in a lot of hours to try to do what they think is right, even if somebody doesn't agree with their positions. mia is a fantastic member of congress. she's one of my favorites. i hope to god she comes back because she just does a great job. loves her district and her country and really is the kind of story, when you hear her story, that the republican party ought to be embracing. >> i agree. i wonder if the president will hear that message and embrace her, again. congressman kinzinger, thank you. >> you bet. will the white house change its stance with the press and still ahead, decision time for trump as the cia said the saudi crown prince ordered the murder of a journalist.
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kelly anne conway, unleashed on the president calling the administration a show and a dumpster fire in a podcast released yesterday. despite the fact his wife is one of trump's top defend, been a frequent critic of the administration as this interview attests what started out as twitter salvos never trumpers laments. penned an anti-trump "new york times" op-ed and established checks and balances, a group of conservative lawyers who question the president's adherence to the law. trump himself has referred to george dismissively as kelly anne conway saying he's, quote, trying to get publicity for himself and remember a while back, kelly anne caught trying to plant criticism of her own husband in the "washington post" but as an anonymous source. so they might not be fighting over statues and so far no one cooked the family pet but
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decision. the judge, however, did not rule on the underlying first and fifth amendment case for which further court filings are due on monday but this story is not just about jim acosta. and you can see that in the long list of news outlets including fox news that filed amicas briefs. let me bring in host of reliable sources, brian stelter. what's the latest in this case and what are you watching for next week? >> right now, we've only round one. cnn is wondering how many goarounds are there going to be. is the department of justice going to take this further in the courts or quietly back down and seek a settlement. our head counsel working for us from the outside said to me we are open to anything, cnn is open to any kind of settlement to resolve this as long as they can get back to work and not get hassled by mr. trump. >> let's talk about how average
viewers might see this. because i was in dc when the whole acosta trump thing happened and i saw how average viewers saw it. i got a lot of their feedback. many clearly see the president was hostile to the press, however, others said acosta was too aggressive and some think he's making himself the story. but that's a two-way street because the president makes reporters the story. he singles them out. he did with sara murray on the campaign trail and called a third rate reporter, said i'm boring and cnn should fire me. when a president makes the reporter the story, how do you handle that? >> i think that is a conondrum and that's on display with acosta. it's true, some people don't like his style or he's too aggressive or opinionated but the point is trump shouldn't get to decide. cnn should get to decide if acosta's style is right and i
love cnn's situation because we have all these different white house reporters with different styles and acosta is one style and kaitlin collins, everybody has different styles. that's the way it should be and trump shouldn't get to pick which style works. the bosses here should get to pick. nbc, the new york times, they should pick what's covering the white house and how they approach the jobs and i think we benefit when there's reporters with different styles. acosta is asking a question you might think is too opinionated. let's call somebody else and get a wide invader variety of opini. he called on acosta. he chose to call on him. >> we've heard a lot since trump took office and just last month, carl bernstein had this advice for the press. take a listen. >> i think we need to be rethinking how we conduct these briefings and what our response is to the press conferences and briefings when the president of the united states basically uses them as an occasion to lie and
to manipulate the press. i don't think we should necessarily be running them verbatim from beginning to end. i think it's like giving him free air time during the campaign. i think we need to reevaluate how we engage with the president, not get ourselves manipulated. >> i love carl but how many times have you heard this call to maybe rethink the way we cover him and what does that look like and i would love to know. >> i think it's really important it's a struggle in newsrooms like this one to figure out what the right answer is. for example, cnn and msnbc are not showing trump's rallies anymore unless there's big breaking news. i think there's the right answer because the rallies are rarely filled with news but today, for example, the president is on the west coast visiting these sites of these horrific fires and saying a lot of things that don't make sense about forest management as if the real problem is to rake the forest. that's not a realistic answer.
firefighters and scientists have been pretty clear he's not on the right track here. the climate change is a much more important factor. the president was being reckless and insulting. what do we do, not show his events or wrap them in context or do we start by saying okay, the president has a lot of nonsense he's sharing today. we'll show it to you and then try to fact check it. i think that's probably closer to the right answer but it's a struggle that's happening in all of these newsrooms because we have a president who continues to spread misinformation every day. >> brian, we'll have more on the standoff between the white house and the press on "reliable sources" here on cnn. up next. does she have the votes? breaking down the battle for speaker of the house. led, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa.
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democrat andrew gillum just an hour ago conceded to congressman ron desantis in the race for florida governor but still a statewide hand recount under way for a u.s. senate seat. democrat senator bill nelson hoping to overcome a deficit against florida governor rick scott, a prospect grown increasingly unlikely. cnn political reporter dan, what do you know? >> reporter: all eyes on bill nelson. not only takes the democrat out of the contest and concedes to desantis but lost the best person at his side, touted they
want every vote counted. all pressure on the senior senator from florida whose hand recount will end tomorrow. within 12,000 votes of governor rick scott. it would be historic and bank historical trends if he were to be able to close that and democrats haven't done enough over the last week both at the vote counting sites and in the courtroom here in tallahassee to find enough votes to expand the universe of votes to actually close that gap and seems highly unlikely at this point that nelson will be able to do that. on gillum, a long time coming for him. he had a much wider gap to close, about 33,000. a long time coming for him to concede this race. the next is the big question he sets himself up as a rising star who probably has risen in the democratic party. a lot of eye on him and what he does next. >> thank you for reporting on this. another battle, nancy pelosi said she has the votes to become the next speak over the house but not everyone agrees.
a letter circulating among house democrats urges caucus members to take a pass on pelosi in favor of new leadership. the text of the letter obtained by cnn reads in part, our majority came on the backs of candidates who said that they would support new leadership because voters in hard won districts want to see real change in washington. therefore, we are committed to voting for new leadership in both our caucus meeting and on the house floor. now, at least 20 democrats have publicly committed to opposing pelosi's bid and leads outstanding house races hold, only lose 15 house members and come out on top. one person on her side, surprisingly, president trump promised support of the san francisco lawmaker this morning. >> i would help nancy pelosi if she needs some votes. i will perform a wonderful service for her. i like her. could you believe it, i like nancy pelosi. she's tough and she's smart, but
she deserves to be speaker. and now they're playing games with her. >> hmm. what's going on there? for more on the democratic leadership battle, let me bring in hillary rosen, and alice stewart. trump has now voiced support for pelosi a few times over the past week or so. is he trolling her? is this a strategy? what do you make of it? >> the president has done some remarkable things in politics but his ability to convince republicans to support nancy pelosi, i think, is a pipe dream. any republican that cast a vote for nancy pelosi might as well call a u-haul truck and move out of washington, dc because they won't get reelected. the young fresh faces of the democratic party have campaigned on saying they would not vote for nancy pelosi. she's right now in a full fledged battle to get her seat back, basically, playing bachelorette. taking people out to dinner,
wining, dining, hoping to get the rose but it will be difficult. as a republican, it's nice to sitback and watch democrats engage in chaos and blood letting and we'll just sit back and watch. >> hillary, about that chaos and blood letting, i just, ten minutes ago while the show was on, got an e-mail from a house democrat who said, and i'll quote on background, pelosi is trying effectively to erase the women who have been leading this effort from the beginning. so she can pin it on, quote, white guys. linda sanchez and marcia women too. she wouldn't have the votes. that's from a democrat in the house. >> well, obviously, that's from a democrat who's not for nancy pelosi. i think nancy pelosi has the, you know, support of the significant majority of house democratic women in that caucus.
i don't think this is about whether or not women support nancy. they do. i do think though that this kind of call for new leadership against the speaker when those same guys are not making that call against, you know, hoyer, the number two or jim clyburn, the number three, all the same age as, you know, that's what makes women angry. that's what offends leader pelosi but having said that, she does not take this sitting down. she believes that there needs to be a way to bring the caucus together to take care of those moderate members who won in sort of pro trump districts as well as taking care of those members who won in very progressive districts. there's really nobody in the house who understands every district better than nancy pelosi. that's why she's going. >> alice, you know, you're
gloating sort of about the, watching with popcorn, but republicans, you tell me as a strategist, do republicans want nancy pelosi as the face of the party, do they want her to be speaker or would they prefer some fresh face, some new blood, as it were? >> a lot of them look at it from the political standpoint. who's been a trefoil for republicans many years, nancy pelosi. said i'll vote against anybody who supports the nancy pelosi agenda. from that standpoint, she's, a lot of republicans would support her. there are others though that would like to see some new faces, some new perspectives to help work with republicans across the aisle. some of the names that have come up, certainly, marcia fudge, hoyer or others, they just think that in order to get things done in washington, they need someone that will be more willing to
negotiate and from a political standpoint, no better political trefoil than nancy pelosi. >> two quick points, nothing new about marcia fudge or hoyer, been around a really long time. the second thing is it's naive and down right goofy to think that any democratic leader is going to all of the sudden be, you know, welcomed by republicans across the country. it doesn't, you know, they could elect donald duck the leader and then donald duck then be the republican foil in the next election. these candidates who don't think that they're going to get attacked for their democratic leader, somehow the republicans will be nicer to them if they vote against nancy pelosi are just living in a fantasy world. >> hillary alice, thanks. it will definitely be interesting to watch over the next few weeks. up next, yeah, thanks. how far is the president willing
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personally ordered bid mohammed bin salman. saudi officials still deny the claims. in a statement released just hours ago, state department spokesperson said recent reports indicating that the u.s. government has made a final conclusion inaccurate. their remain numerous unanswered questions with respect to the murder of mr. khashoggi. the state department will continue to seek relevant facts. earlier today the president said he had not been briefed on the latest information but the white house has since confirmed he was briefed by secretary of state mike pompeo and director gina haspel by traveling to the california wildfires. what will trump do in response? >> he once promised severe punishment if the saudis were found responsible. joining me now is cnn security analyst, samantha, what do you make of the cia report? >> what i make of it is these
high confidence intelligence don't appear out of nowhere. it's not like the cia took the past several weeks and said mr. president, we'll get back to you on what happens. as the cia reviews more intelligence and develops more confidence in its analysis, it's still providing the president and certain members of his team with updates on what they know, so the notion that the president didn't know where this was leading, that the saudi crown prince probably wasn't responsible for the killing is completely nonsensical to me. >> we know the president's been hoping for a reason to not take serious action against nbs. saudi arabia is a key ally in the region. can he decide to believe saudi arabia propaganda over our own intelligence. >> well, he could just continue to wear intelligence ear muff, he has done this with russia when the intelligence community has a high confidence assessment, which he discounts, but he could also just choose for example not to do something
as simple as scheduling a national security council meeting. intelligence is supposed to be an input, if the president doesn't convene a meeting his policy team, this intelligence even if it is crystal clear could die and go away. if the president wants to kick the can down the road and not actually make a decision on what to do, he could refuse to convene his team with his intelligence analysts so they can develop a response together. >> so what are the global consequences if there is inaction, delay, sort of kicking the can down the road over the state ordered killing of a "washington post" journalist? how do our allies see that, how do our enemies see it? >> there's one way to see it. we are condoning murder. if we do not holded ring leader culpable, we are green lighting other operations. what happened, 17 people were sanctioned. they won't be able to travel to the u.s., their assets are
frozen. mohammed bin salman is crystal clear that they can maybe have another murder go forward, like vladimir putin wasn't deterred for hacking the election because we haven't held him responsible. we are opening the door for mbs to do this again. >> can trump claim, look i did that, it's enough, it's sufficient. >> he could but it does not get at the heart of the problem, which in this case is mohammed bin salman. again, 17 of the operatives were sanctioned, just like how many russian operatives have we sanctioned for their attack on the united states. it doesn't really change the dynamic because the perpetrator of the crime is not held responsible. >> in terms of crimes against the press and threats to the free press, how significant an episode is this? >> we by not holding mohammad bin salman accountable are saying that we are completely comfortable with the murder of
someone who is simply exercising the right of free speech and the free press, so this is an enormous, enormous downside risk to the free press going forward, and again, unless president trump directly punishes mbs, we're saying that the free press and free speech don't really matter. >> right. which makes it really hard when we try to scold other nations for their human rights violations and their attacks on the press if we don't hold accountable. >> and give a free pass. >> the perpetrator and give a free pass. it sends a very very dangerous message. sam, thank you so much for your reporting. i appreciate it. that's it for us tonight. up next on cnn, supreme court justice sonia sotomayor speaks with cnn's david axelrod, stick around for the axe files, that's next. share the love event, we've shown just how far love can go. (grandma vo) over one hundred national parks protected.
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