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i'm brooke baldwin. major developments in the killing of u.s. journalist jamal khashoggi. president trump has just signalled that he will not be taking strong action against saudi arabia, that is despite the fact that his own intelligence agency according to sources has included that the crown prince, mohammed bin salman ordered this. representatives from saudi arabia say that jamal khashoggi was a, quote, enemy of the state and a member of the muslim brotherhood but my decision is in no way based on that. this is unacceptable and a horrible crime. sing salomon and crown prince mohammed bin salm
mohammed bin salman vigorously deny any knowledge. our intelligence agents continue to assess all information but it could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of the tragic event -- maybe he did and maybe he didn't. let's go to secretary mike pompeo. >> with that i'm happy to take a few questions. . >> reporter: mr. secretary, one of the things that the president points to in his statement is a $110 billion arms initiative but by the state department's own record, only $14.5 billion has come through. when do you expect to see the rest of the money from that arms agreement? >> some of these contracts, defense contracts in it can, are complex.negotiations, we
are working diligently. i couldn't tell when you those negotiations will conclude but we are hopeful that each of those commitments that the kingdom of saudi arabia made to the united states to purchase equipment will be completed in a timely fashion. >> reporter: based on the president's statement, moving forward, relations with saudi arabia won't be affected by the killing of jamal khashoggi, and how can you differentiate between the kingdom and the crown prince? >> yeah. so it's a mean, nasty world out there. the middle east in particular. there are important american interests to keep the american people safe. to protect americans. not only americans who are here but americans who are traveling and working, doing business in the middle east. it is the president's obligation
and indeed the state department's duty as well to ensure we adopt policies that further america's national security. so as the president said today, the united states will continue to have a relationship with the kingdom of saudi arabia, they are an important partner of ours. we will do that with the kingdom of saudi arabia, its people. that is the commitment that the president made today. it's that straight forward. by the way, this is a long, historic commitment and one that is absolutely vital to america's national security. we are determined to ensure what we continue to make sure that we take care of the american people in all of the strategic decisions we make about with whom we work from around the world. >> reporter: one quick follow up and then a question on iran. does the america-first agenda mean putting u.s. business interests ahead of human rights concerns? and on iran, have you considered any specific sanctions to pressure iran to release the american citizens who are held
there? >> taking your second question first, we are gauged every day, literally every day in working to return every u.s. citizen who was either wrongfully detained or a hostage around the world. that certainly includes bob lef i don't kn -- levenson and those held by the iranian regime. we're not going to pay a price for their return but we are prepared to work with all of those who can assist us in getting those returned to home and to their country. the other question is talking about what we have already done. there has been an enormous effort with respect to be fact finding pertaining to the murder of jamal khashoggi. a lot of u.s. resources have
been committed to determine the facts to the best of our ability. we have sanctioned 17 individuals in connection with that investigation. we are at the same time committed to making sure that we place america's national security interests and all the actions that take place in the context of doing the right thing to make sure that america continues to thrive and grow and when we do that, the world is better off for it, too, and the middle east is better off as well. >> reporter: you mentioned -- i wanted to ask what's the message he's going to be send being as far as what the u.s. government would like to see south korean do as far as coordinating their inner korean efforts and the denuclearization efforts? >> so i think there's complete agreement between the south koreans and us with respect to how this should proceed. we now have a working group that formalizes those processes so
that we can be sure that we don't talk past each other, that we don't take an action or the south koreans don't take an action that the other is unaware of or hasn't had a chance to comment on or provide their thoughts and that's the purpose of the working group that's being led on our side. we have made clear to the republic of korea that we do want to make sure that peace on the peninsula and the denuclearization of north korea aren't lagging behind the increase in the amount of relationship between the two koreas. we view them as tandem, as moving forward together, as important parallel processes and that working group is designed to make sure they continue to remain that way. >> reporter: you mentioned you're gathering all these fact. does the president's statement today mean that fact finding is over and have you seen the assessment he is expected to get
today? >> i can't comment on intelligence matters. i direct you to the dni director coates or to the cia to talk about particular intelligence issues. facts will obviously still continue to come to light. i'm confident about that. it's the way the world works. >> reporter: and will the united states pursue further actions against -- >> we have been unambiguous with respect to how we have treated the data set we have been able to get. when america has the information it needs it, will do the right thing to protect american interests. and we have done so every time. >> how can you trust the saudis if there's so much disinformation? >> and the questions continue to be shouted and secretary mike pompeo walks off stage right there. let me begin with our chief
international correspondent clar clarissa ward who was there in the thick of things. is this white house essentially saying vis-a-vis the secretary of state and through this trump statement that this white house is essentially saying we don't care what happened, we're sticking with saudi arabia? >> reporter: that seems to be the essential message. i mean wshs t, with the words o president trump himself about the crown prince, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. the u.s. is much more focused on the weapons deals and various investments that exist between the u.s. and saudi arabia. president trump talks about $450 billion. i have not been able to verify that figure but certainly we are talking about more than $100 billion. the u.s. is very much focused on fighting iran and president trump clearly believes it needs saudi arabia to be able to perpetuate or have any momentum
going in that fight. and he also mentions the u.s. being focused on the war against terrorism, though of course, brooke, it does bear mentioning that saudi arabia has played a very mixed role in the foot against terrorism, often being sort of the arsonist and the firefighter because it plays a role in both perpetuating the type of religious ideology that is connected with so many terrorist acts but also of course it has played a strong role in trying to fight terrorism because it's a threat to the monarchy itself. so essentially what you're hearing from president trump, from secretary of state mike mommo pompeo, it doesn't matter that jamal khashoggi died because these things are more important. what i found was the insertion of the possibility that saudi arabia has described jamal khashoggi as an enemy of the state who was also a member of the muslim brotherhood. i'm not saying that i agree with that or that has anything to do
with my decision but i'm just throw it out there into the ether. >> why dangle that, clarissa, in the middle of the statement? why? >> reporter: with one specific objective, brooke, and that is to make jamal khashoggi look like some kind of a deranged, islamist would be-terrorist. you say the word muslim brotherhood to a lot of people in the u.s. who doesn't know the full history of the group, who don't stand the full geo political context -- >> it frightens them. >> and it frightens them. it's a very clear and unsettle dig at jamal khashoggi, which seems in light of the fact that he's not here to speak for himself and defend himself and that he was a respected columnist for "the washington post," was well known and loved by many in the u.s., sat down in evenings with people drinking wine all around him, this man
was by no manse neans any kind fundamentalist. and to imply so feels unkind and unnecessary. >> let me bring in our senior white house correspondent pamela brown. you heard the secretary being asked at the very end, we knew today that final as assessment h drop with what they believed to be the facts of how jamal khashoggi was murdered. do you know if the president has seen that report? we've seen the president pardoning turkeys and issuing the statements he's about to bounce to palm beach, do we know if he's eyeballed it, a, and b, about the time of the statement before he's seen it? >> reporter: the bottom line is he released the statement before seeing this assessment from the intelligence community, this report. so that is what is so puzzling about the timing here, brooke.
it's been nearly two months since jamal khashoggi was murdered inside the saudi arabia consulate and turkey. since then there's been sort of this slow walk strategy here at the white house, playing up the important relationship with saudi arabia but also saying that it's a terrible act but we need to wait and see all the facts. and then on the same day that the president is supposed to be briefed, receive this in-depth report from the cia, the assessment of what happened, he releases this statement before th that. our reporting, brooke, is that the cia has assessed that the crown prince directed the murder of jamal khashoggi. so the timing is certainly questionable here. we know the president is supposed to leave later today to go to thanksgiviflorida for the thanksgiving holiday. just a few days ago overseas, vice president pence say that
every person involved in the murder of jamal khashoggi will be held accountable. but then you look at this statement from president trump basically saying it doesn't matter if the crown prince had knowledge of this or was involved. he said "maybe he did or maybe he didn't." the big picture here is once again the president is at odds with his intelligence community. this is a slap in the face to the intelligence community who has been working for the last several weeks, months to gather this intelligence, to make this assessment. the fact that he didn't even wait to see this report before issuing this statement certainly once again puts him at odds with the intelligence community. >> it's stunning. stunning. pamela, thank you. on pamela's final point, speaking of that intel report, josh campbell is with us, formerly of the fbi. again, you know, the fact that trump is dismissing the intel from folks in the cia, again, who believe mbs had a hand in
this murder, he is issuing this without even getting their full assessment. your outhoughts on that? >> the public should understand the intelligence community doesn't mack poli make policy b inform it. they bring their best analysts to baear to help inform our leaders. we don't even care what you say, we're going to formulate our own conclusion is going to be perceived as a slap in the face. if you think of all the hosts of hard problem sets that they work on on a daily basis, they see a pattern that might impact the president personally, he will jump to discount their work before their conclusions are even finished. it's troubling on a number of front, brooke.
>> can we talk to sam here as well? he's seated next to me. you've been listening to my conversation with clarissa. i thought she hit the nail on the head in dangling this seed of doubt that perhaps he was an enemy of the state, perhaps he was this member of the muslim brotherhood, which would frighten some persons americans. it's dangerous of him. >> the entire statement is fear mongering. he starts out a statement about jamal khashoggi's brutal murder talking about iran and the fear they spread. he doesn't get to jamal khashoggi until probably the fifth paragraph. he's distracting from the fact that he's condoning state-sanctioned murdered going forward as long as you give dollars to the united states. he says this is about u.s. national security. i'd like to find one american who feels safer knowing that they could be targeted by
mohammed bin salman or any other foreign leader if they hurt his feelings, as long as there's still money through this arms deal or oil. >> there's still money in these countries, you can get away with it. >> we've seen vladimir putin use nuclear weapons. jamal khashoggi legally resided here. he happened to be in turkey at the time that he was murdered, but he was a legal resident of the united states. if this was about u.s. national security, this would be about not only punishing the crime that happened but deterring future ones. >> here's what john brennan has tweeted. since mr. trump excels in dishonesty, no one should escape responsibility for such a
heinous act. if trump isn't going to do anything, what is the likelihood that congress does? >> i think it's very strong. there was bipartisan consensus that khashoggi murderer be held accountable. we could see the congressional committees move forward with more recommendations on sanctions or if these arms deals ever materialize, much of the $110 billion trump has talked about, they could put a hold on that, which would really, really upset the president. >> stay with me. al alex, to you. what will the rest of the world think in terms of not only does the president start out talking about iran but talks about the money before he even gets to jamal khashoggi. is this again the president putting money over morals? >> it is the president putting money over morals. a lot of countries are going to look to the u.s. and note that this is a real diversion or
change in the moral compass of this country. already we've seen countries, and particularly authoritarian regimes around the world start adopting the same kind of language and techniques as the trump administration. we've seen other despotic leaders talk about fake news. the nigerian army justified shooting rock throwing protesters after the president floated that possibility down at the border with mexico. and justifying cracking down on activists, on human rights, on journalists, knowing that they're not going to have -- there won't be any sort of ramifications or punishment from the united states. i have to also say that this also highlights this very complicated relationship with the saudi regime over the past several decades. it's impossible to know how the administration of george w. bush or president obama would have
reacted in response to the death of khashoggi, but for decade the united states has essentially worked with the saudis, despite the fact that they have fermented islamic extremism, cracked down on activists in their own country. they have run their country essentially with values that are counter to the u.s. because the u.s. really values them as an ally. so this is an incredibly important moment, has been an incredibly important moment for the u.s. to assess its relationship with saudi arabia and what president trump is essentially saying today is we're going to go forward business as usual. >> you've had multiple administrations from the past, you had humanitarian failure. the difference here is it would be mbs at the top who called the
shots. >> right. that's what the cia is saying. anyone who covers the region knows nothing look this could have taken place without the acquiescence or the consent of mohammed bin salman. so now essentially what's going to happen, if we game this out a little bit, the saudis have rounded up almost 20 people, five are facing the death penalty, and what looks like is going to happen is the relationship will move forward without any punishment against mbs. we have to note on capitol hill there are a lot of republicans and democrats who will not be happy with this statement from the administration. they are going to be demanding a harsher reaction against not just saudi arabia but mbs in particular. so that's what we're going to be listening for today. >> we will listen to that. thank you. thanks to everyone. much more as we await reaction
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♪ we still have a little deja vu over the florida recount. stop me if you've heard this one. "she was using a private e-mail account." no, not hillary clinton. this time it was ivanka trump. this time she has committed this violation that her own father was fixated with. remember those chants, lock her
up? >> she should never have been allowed to run for the president sif bas presidency based on what she does with e-mail. she doesn't even remember whether or not she was instructed on how to use e-mails. she deligeted the e-mails. she has to go to jail. >> yes, there are key differences between clinton and ivanka trump's e-mail use, but as for ivanka trump's defense? i didn't know. does that sound familiar? only this time president trump hasn't said one word. his daughter's e-mail use came to light after this ethics watch dog group called american oversight sued for public records. now the first daughter's e-mails
will be part of this probe led by house democrats into whether she violated the law when conducting government business. let's go to our white house reporter jeremy diamond. what is the white house saying about this? >> the white house is simply looking at the facts here. the facts are that ivanka trump used a private e-mail address to conduct government business for at least several months at the beginning of her tenure as a senior white house official. these records on it and by the watch dog group show ivanka trump several e-mails sent to senior officials, including the secretary of commerce, the secretary of education, betsy devos. all of this show there could be a violation here. this is of course all drying
cries of hypocrisy from both the president's critics but even some his supporters who remember the president's chants on the campaign trail of "lock her up," some of which you just played. of course this issue of clinton's e-mails was a central line of attack from the president. now it seems ivanka trump, at least through her attorney's spokesperson is using some of the similar defenses that hillary clinton used back during the 2016 campaign. some of which include, this was mostly logistical e-mails, family scheduling and that they were ultimately forwarded to governor accounts. but there are some key differences here as you did point out, brooke. and her attorney spokesman is pointing some of those out in a statement saying "to address misinformation being peddled about ms. trump's personal e-mail, she did not create a private server in her house.
no e-mails were ever deleted and the e-mails have been retained in conformity with present laws and rules. he was u the president was using hillary clinton e-mails as a broader attack and he's certainly not calling his daughter crooked ivanka. >> thank you very much, jeremy diamond from the white house. >> wall street's 2018 gains have been wiped out amoin a selloff. what does this say about the state of the u.s. economy? ♪ ♪
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for the first time in his presidency, president trump is considering visiting troops in a theater of combat, a combat zone. the president has faced a lot of criticism for not doing so thus far. in a new report today in the "washington post," they reveal why that may be. the president has concerns for his own safety and he doesn't want to be linked to wars he considers to be failures. visiting troops in war zones has been a tradition for plenty of past presidents, especially on thanksgiving. >> let's see if we've got anyone more senior here that can read the president's thanksgiving speech. is there anybody back there more senior than us? >> that was president george w. bush back in 1983 to see our troops in iraq.
daniel is with the fletcher school over at tufts university and a contributing editor of "washington post." daniel, a pleasure to have you on. we read your piece in the post. your reaction to the paper's reporting on the why, the fact that the president doesn't want to go because he fears for his life or he doesn't want to be associated with wars he considering to be a failure. your response? >> let's start with the second one. i don't think that passes muster. barack obama campaigned in 2008 running against the iraq war, saying he had opposed it for a long period of time. that didn't stop him from going to visit the troops in iraq in thanksgiving in 2009. and the reason is there's a difference between the policy positions you might adopt about a particular conflict and then your function at sort of the commander in chief and/or the head of state where you're trying to take on a more symbolic role.
that's why it meant a great deal when george bush showed up in 2003 and obama showed up in 2009. do i think that trump is worried for his own life? yeah. he's basically a pretty selfish guy. it's why he didn't go in paris to the war war i memorial because it was raining and he was going to get wet. it wouldn't surprise me that tum disdaitu trump disdains any kind of discomfort or risk to his own life. >> the likes of general mattis and john kelly i imagine behind the scenes are saying, sir, we need to get you in a theater of combat. you lay out all these reasons why you think he's really mishandling being head of state. do you think that would right some of the wrongs that you lay out? >> i do think if he were to make
this kind of trip that it would be seen -- that he wouldn't just stay there for a half hour, he would potentially mingle with the troops, get to know them. i assume he's going to be reasonably popular with a fair number of the enlisted corps, troops in particular, that could potentially correct some of the issues. to be fair, trump does recognize it's probably in his political self-interest to make this kind of move because he's getting an increasing amount of criticism across the political aisle on the fact that he hasn't done this yet, despite the fact his two predecessors have. >> moving off of that and on to what we led this show with, the trump statement of the white house standing with saudi arabia and talking about maybe mohammed bin salman was involved in his murder, maybe he wasn't and this is me paraphrasing, the u.s. and this white house is sticking
with saudi arabia. what do you find most unsettling about the statement? >> i think as someone who teaches international relations is the degree to which donald trump actually underestimates america's leverage in this situation. >> how do you mean? >> well, trump has repeatedly talked about the fact that the u.s. needs saudi arabia, that it as a bulwark of stability in the middle east. it's not that it's completely wrong but it dramatically overlooks the fact that saudi arabia needs the united states more than the united states needs saudi arabia. he seems remarkably wimpish when it comes to saudi arabia. why does he see so retiring rather than when it comes to the
rest of the -- >> why do you think he's wimpish? >> i think he sees saudi arabia almost as a kin dread staki kin. i think it does need to be explored. there's otherwise no real explanation for why he isn't applying more pressure. the united states is in a strong bargaining position in terms of generating more transparency of what's going on. the fact that they're so reticent to do it is surprising and shows a misbalancing of power in the region. >> thank you. nine people killed hours apart. another feud is heating up
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24 hours of death. that is how this holiday week began across the country, late afternoon in chicago, a gunman opened fire on his ex-fiancee outside the hospital where she worked. he shot her several times after an argument and walked into that hospital and killed another employee. plus a chicago police officer, who was a father of three, officer samuel jimenez. >> those officers that responded
today saved a lot of lives because this guy was just shooting that poor woman that got off an elevator, had nothing to do with nothing. was shot. why? there's no doubt in my mind that all those officers that responded were heros and they saved a lot of lives because we just don't know how much damage he was prepared to do. >> the gunman is also dead. not sure if he shot himself or was killed in a police shoot-out. around the same time in downtown denver, five were shot near coors field. one died on the scene. that suspect is at large in suburban st. louis, police are looking for a gunman who sexual assaulted and then shot a woman and killed her at a catholic supply business. and a gruesome scene inside a philadelphia basement where authorities found four people all shot execution style. hours before the mass shooting in thousand oaks, california, the national rifle association scolded trauma doctors to,
quote, "state in their lanes" when it comes to gun control. it was a response to a group of trauma surgeons who recommended ways to reduce gun violence after treating victims. they posted photos of themselves in the e.r. wearing blood bloo smocks and tweeted "this is our lane." they say it a public health crisis. and dr. deborah cools is a trauma surgeon who treated victims in last year's mass shooting in las vegas. thank you so much for joining me. >> you're welcome. it a ple it's a pleasure to join us this
morning. >> from a medical perspective, when i go through all these shootings, what is happening in america? >> it's really hard to know why the mass shootings are increasing, but i think it reflects our violent society. and access to firearms, particularly people who have a criminal background. >> tell me this. when someone is wheeled into your e.r., your o.r., and you realize it is another victim of a shooting, what is the first thing that you think? >> the first thing i think is if you can save their lives. they often come in in very dire circumstances needing blood and needing an urgent operation, the right operation. so we often are faced with looking at the bullet holes and trying to figure out what the
patient would be dying from. and when we take them emergently to the operating room, it's important that we have as good of information as we can, so we make the correct skin incision to get to the body part that has been threatened. >> i was reading another opinion piece from a separate trauma surgeon last week saying sometimes he just wants to throw his hands up in the air. of course you want to save a life but where is your level of frustration on this? >> i would say that i am really activated and i don't feel like i immediate to throw up my hands. i'm very active in the american college of surgeons, and i chair the injury prevention committee for the committee on trauma. we have been, if you will, trying to address this issue for many years but particularly from the last four years forward, we've been advocating for a
public health approach to address firearm injuries and deaths in the u.s. even though the mass shootings are very common now. 30,000 americans die every year, children, adults, elderly, all genders. and it is a public health crisis. as many people die from motor vehicle crashes and firearms. so fireworks, we expect that they will exceed motor vehicle crashes. i don't throw up my arms because we've made great progress in decreasing the number of people who die from motor vehicle crashes. we can use the same public health approach to address firearm injuries and deaths. and so in that vein, we really need to identify what the root cause is and we believe it is violence. so a number of tactics that we are -- have moved into action
have been, number one, if you are injured and are bleeding, potentially bleeding to death, we have worked with others on the stop the bleed course, which is an outgrowth at sandy hook where all the children were killed. >> i know you have said that this is the most rewarding work you have ever done. i think we will -- i'm out of time. i wish i wasn't but i am. but let's take more time because this is so important. in this country i know you say this is the most important work you've ever done, dr. deborah kuhls, i just thank you so much. we need to continue this national conversation from a medical perspective. thank you very much. we need to get back to our breaking news that the president is signaling the u.s. is not going to punish saudi arabia over the killing of a u.s.-based journalist. so stay here for the latest developments on that. est invests in infrastructure, we don't just help power the american dream, we're part of it. this is our era.
>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. moments ago secretary of state mike pompeo showed he supports president trump's explosive and astonishing statement about the murder of u.s.-based journalist jamal khashoggi. the president's words signalled his administration would not take strong action against saudi arabia, even though the crown prince ordered the murder of the "washington post" columnist. let me just read for you a portion of the president's statement. "the crime against jamal khashoggi was a terrible one and one that our country does not condone.