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roger stone made a determined effort to access the e-mails that russian hackers stole from the dnc. >> fast forward two years. we have also learned that while paul manafort allegedly was breaching his plea agreement with the special counsel his lawyers were in secret contact with the president's legal team. that is only fuelling speculation that maybe there is talk of a pardon. what have we learned about what the president's legal team learned from manafort's team about the mueller probe? it's astonishing. >> it's deeply unusual. it's not illegal, but it has been revealed that there is a certain level of coordination between the president's team and manafort's legal team in the two months that since manafort struck the plea deal and has
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been cooperating with the special counsel probe. he was supposed to be a star witness in the probe. he was given a break. 10 of the 18 charges that he was handed were dismissed. and he was essentially going for leniency. what we have learned now is that kevin downing, paul manafort's lawyer has been talking to the president's legal team, rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer confirmed this. essentially, this is paul manafort trying to have it both ways. his legal team has been sending information to the president's legal team essentially giving them a sense of what the questions are that the prosecutors are asking specifically in regards to president trump. so that would certainly help giuliani and the rest of the legal team shape their legal strategy and their public relations strategy. we have seen evidence in the president's tweets as he attacked mueller and the russia
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probe that he has some insight into the investigation, the conversations that are going on with paul manafort and his lawyers. >> so a convicted felon sharing information from inside the special counsel's investigation with sitting president is also subject to that investigation. you can't put a finer point on that. other issue here, this goes to communication between trump world and russia possibly or at least foreknowledge about stolen e-mails. roger stone, stone associate. difficult for folks at home to follow, but the key here is about whether trump world got a tip about these e-mails that russia stole before they came out. >> it is hard to follow, jim. we should really break it down. someone like jerome coursy is not necessarily a household name. essentially these two men could provide a crucial missing link in this investigation into
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collusion. so what robert mueller and his team are trying to figure out is what the relationship was between the two men and wiki leaks. in this draft court documents that cnn has obtained, what it shows is roger stone instructing jerome coursy to get in touch with wiki leaks. julian assange has been hold up for the past several years. what we need to remind everyone of is if that link is established it showed that russian hackers who got the democratic e-mails and handed them off to wiki leaks who coordinated with the trump associates -- that creates a direct link between the trump campaign and the russian hackers. that is collusion. >> it's not just foreknowledge. it would be coordination. they would have asked for wiki leaks to leak it at a certain time. >> thanks very much.
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we are joined by cnn legal and national security analyst and cnn contributor. so much to unwrap here. if i can draw on your legal knowledge here, starting with his issue of communication between manafort's legal team and the president volunteering this inside information. we know it's not illegal, but is it potential evidence of interference, obstruction of justice? >> it can be depending on what was being discussed. normally, these kinds of joint defense agreements cease once a defendant starts to work with a prosecutor. and this is because a lawyer has an ethical and professional obligation to represent the interest of the client. and when they are working with a prosecutor, those interests become adverse to other potential defends. they can't be sharing the privileged communications with other defendants.
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this is highly unusual. that's an ethical problem. a legal problem could be if there was any kind of coordinated effort to actually try to undermine this investigation between giuliani and these lawyers. we don't know that that is the case. that could be where it could cross a legal line. as i mentioned before on cnn, this could be a problem for the president because if they were coordinating their stories and any of this coordination of lies was reflected in the president's written responses to mueller, we now know that mueller knows that manafort lied. he would be able to now potentially have perjury and false statements against the president if those were the basis, as well. >> it could cut through the president's detriment. >> you have a piece that everyone is talking about this morning in wired. and the headline, mueller's end
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game may be in sight. why? >> what i think we have seen is mueller has been remarkably quiet for the last four months. there are all of these little tea leaves that are adding up to show that we might be on the verge of a new set of indictments and perhaps send new significant new material before the end of the year. most significantly coming out of paul manafort and the decision to move ahead with sentencing and say that paul manafort is not cooperating. bob mueller has said that he wants to file a complete listing of paul manafort's crimes and lies. that opens up the possibility for mueller to file what could look like a mueller report, a document with the court that would be released to the public documenting paul manafort's behavior throughout the 2016 election, not just relating to
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the underlying wire fraud and bank fraud. just to talk about that joint defense agreement, there is some reason to believe when you look closely that mueller might have anticipated some level of coordination. rick gates when he faced his plea agreement was hit with a gag order as part of that plea agreement. paul manafort notably wasn't. >> interesting, if i can ask you to kind of connect some of the dots legally here, let's say if the special counsel establishes -- we are reading smoke signals as always from the special counsel because you are getting it from outsiders. if he is able to establish that roger stone, a close trump associate did have knowledge of when the e-mails were coming out and went the other way and said we are having a tough day on friday october 7 because this access hollywood tape came out, now may not be a great time --
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if you have that back and forth communication, foreknowledge and coordination, what does that mean legally? does that constitute conspiracy to defraud the u.s. government? >> you are asking what would need to be shown to prove conspiracy? and specifically the participation of stone and coursy in conspiracy. you mentioned there are a lot of actors involved. mueller has charged 13 gru russian military officers with hacking into the dnc server and releasing the e-mails. one of the charges is conspearanconspear anconspear -- conspiracy against the united states. so in order for someone to be basically ensnared in this conspiracy it is not enough that they just have knowledge that
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this is going on, they have to be in agreement with the objective which is to release this at specific times to damage this person and they have to take an action in furtherance of that conspiracy. in your example, if they just knew and were kind of keeping up on what was happening, probably not enough. if they were coordinating and saying do it now, this is when we think it will be maximized, that could then start to cross the legal line and they could be liable for the conspiracy as well. >> understood. sorry we have to jump and cut it a little bit short. i want to get over to house speaker paul ryan right now answering questions on border wall funding all tied with possible government shutdown. >> the house has the -- the house is there. we have never been the issue
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here. our bill contains the president's full request for the border. ultimately the president and the senate democrats will have to come to agreement, as well. as you know this takes 60 votes in the senate. therefore senate democrats have a say so in appropriation matters. i think what we will have to do is sort all of this out between all parties involved. i will not negotiate to the press. that is a foolish thing to do. we will have to come together. i think hopefully after the election, democrats realize a secure border should not be a republican thing. it should be a democrat thing. it is good for the country to secure our border. the house is there. we hope the senate comes with us. >> paul ryan outgoing speaker of the house on that border funding. one thing he didn't mention is the quid pro quo. >> now it's about --
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>> a little bit of a game of chicken it seems who is willing to shut down the government. >> the american people in the middle of it. >> always. all senators will be briefed by secretary of state and the defense secretary on murder of journalist jamal khashoggi and the war in yemen. the absence of cia chief gina h haspel has one senator calling it a cover up. how are communities impacted by layoffs? reacting to this a sitting u.s. president threatening economic penalties against a company making economic decisions.
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secretary mattis and pompeo will brief on the war in yemen and answer questions about the administration response of the brutal murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. >> the secretary of state mike pompeo made the case -- we wrote an op-ed in the wall street journal. the october murder of jamal khashoggi in turkey has heightened the capitol hill caterwauling and media pile-on. he tweeted this morning about it. >> this is a remarkable tweet. it bears reading. the trump administration effort to rebuild the u.s. partnership isn't possible in the salons of washington. i just have to note the salons
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of washington, quite dismissive when you might note that khashoggi was a member of the salons of washington. he was a "washington post" columni columnist. he was a frequent participant. i saw him there at discussions, public forums in washington, d.c. >> you should read the entire opinion piece this morning if you have not already because he elaborates even more. let's go to the hill. senators, a number of them are upset because the cia director is not going to be there to brief them and she is the one who has heard the tape. >> reporter: no question about it. i talked to senator bob corker who is chairman of the foreign relations committee about this for a week. he has been pushing for gina haspel to come as part of the briefing. he urged the senate majority leader to make the request to have her come forward so she
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could explain what the cia found and the congress could decide how to respond legislatively based on the assessment. she is not coming to this briefing. it will be jim mattis, mike pompeo. this is designed by the administration to try to make the case to stop a resolution in the senate that would end the u.s. involvement in the saudi-led war in yemen. that's a resolution being pushed by senators mike lee of utah, republican, bernie sanders, independent from vermont and chris murphy of connecticut. it could come up for a vote as soon as today. the administration is trying to make the case that it should not pass. the question will be what the administration knows about the khashoggi murder and the question about how the congress should respond afterwards by moving on either sanctions or doing anything else to punish in particular the saudi crown
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prince. all of those questions may not be answered in full today because of the fact that haspel is not coming. you will hear republicans and democrats raise concerns about that later today. >> let me just ask you this. the administration clearly digging its heels in here saying we have gone as far as we can, relationship comes first. you have had republicans, lindsey graham among them, say they want to penalize the crown prince. i'm not going to make you a whip, but do you see sufficient republican support to pass something over the head of the president here to penalize saudi arabia? >> reporter: it really depends on what that is. they have not coalesced over one specific legislative response. i asked a very important man about this, mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader about whether or not congress should respond. he said that congress should respond, but he acknowledged
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there are a lot of discussions underway about exactly what it is and whether they can get all of that together by december 7, funding deadline to keep the government open. a big question uncertain they can get something together so quickly by then. this will continue into the new congress, as well. this isn't going away anytime soon. >> what about the resolution that could come to the floor today that would at least harm saudi arabia in its efforts in yemen and cease u.s. support of saudi there? >> reporter: those are the things that they could potentially move forward on. it's uncertain whether that and the murphy resolution with lee and sanders, if those will pass. it's possible if that is the only option on the table. we will see if the administration succeeds in convincing republicans in particular to block those. president trump is firing back at general motors after the
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five plants in north america including two facilities that will have a critical impact on the heart and soul of the u.s. auto industry. our next guest representathis t motor city in washington. thanks for taking the time with us this morning. >> it's good to be with you. >> i want to ask you about the effect on these communities particularly the community around detroit there. they have already seen so many job losses through the years. how devastating are these cuts now? >> so first of all let me say that i have been warning a lot of people including my colleagues that we will see a softening in the industry. this is a cyclical industry. they have had the longest run of good sales that has occurred since the industry became an industry. these people were not prepared for these announcements. they were quite frankly stunned. i want to clarify some things
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because we don't know of the total impact right now. the canadian plant is going to close. the four other plants that were announced this week are idled with no product designated for them. what is going to become critical is what happens next year in the uaw negotiations. i have no facts. the grapevine says when they go into uaw negotiations product will likely be put back into one of those plants. the other thing is, other companies are doing some things similar. i don't want to announce anything that is not announced. the companies is putting people who may not be at that plant to work in other plants. how this really gets dealt with is going to matter. i will not -- i will make sure that gm does not locate one more plant in mexico. they will never get my support of anything. >> i understand it's a good point because some workers could
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be re-allocated as gm changes the product line. the president, however, has made a very political issue and the president benefitted from his promises that he is going to keep jobs like this. this counters that message. he is now threatening to take away gm's subsidies. i know you have ties to gm -- what is your reaction to that? do you agree with penalizing the company? >> i will say this to you. we need to get a far better understanding of what gm is up to. i don't like what i'm hearing that they will move production to another country. we need to understand what they are benefitting from. they want things that other companies don't want. this company has done something that nobody else has done. republicans and democrats united. this has to be the most thoroughly disliked company in washington, d.c. right now. i have always said that i will work with the president. it helps the working men and women of my district i will work
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with him. i want facts. >> you're saying you support the president's threat to take away subsidies from gm if you learn that the jobs are going outside the country? >> that is correct. we need to be supporting companies through creating jobs here. i don't like the way general motors handled this. the other companies are dealing with this but they care about the workers. i'm not sure they showed an ounce of support or caring for the working men and women that were impacted by these announcements this week. >> you have said you want to protect the working men and women of your district here. you mentioned negotiations with uaw on possible new jobs at this plant for other product lines. what do you propose to do in congress to support that and to support these communities as many of them will lose jobs?
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>> reporter: there are a lot of different things that we need to be looking at. one of the reasons president trump won two years ago and you both know that i predicted it is because democrats didn't talk to working men and women. we didn't show that we cared about trade. he came in and talked about bad trade agreements. he said he was going to protect those jobs. my problem with the president right now is that his trade policy is chaotic. he is all over the place. what is said in the morning isn't the same in the afternoon. businesses need consistency. i fear that the president is not consistent. so trade policies are one thing. what are we doing with the tax policy? there is one thing in the tax bill which helped billionaires and didn't help working men and women. one thing we need to do is we want to go to a green energy. how do we sell electric vehicles? companies are building them. people aren't buying them.
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do you have a tax credit to help people buy them? how will we build the infrastructure to support that? >> these are all big picture conversations that have to be had. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> i think she hits on a very important point. how do you message this to the employees? we read the press release that says the factories will be unallocated. >> she also makes a point that there are big picture forces here that you have to have an honest conversation. >> 100% really important interview. let's talk to a gm worker, worked for the company for more than 40 years, just retired. she worked at that plant that is closing. her niece and her niece's husband still work there today. thank you for being here. >> hi. >> it's good to have you. you retired, suffered a layoff during your 40 years there.
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you have family members who still work at this plant who are going to lose their jobs. gm has said almost all of these workers will be offered jobs elsewhere. that means moving your family, pulling your kids out of sdooch, changing your life. what is ahead for people experiencing this? >> i don't know. i have a nephew who can't take a move because of two children that he has shared custody for. that is a hard decision for him to make to just get up and move like that. hopefully gm does have jobs where some of these people can fill it in. it's a sad day that people are going to be losing benefits. it's going to affect the whole tricounty area around us. >> i spent a good amount of time there. lawrence county, just seen how much of the livelihood of the community comes from the work of the plant. you just heard from congress
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woman of michigan threatening general motors saying if you move one more plant to mexico i'm not doing anything else to support you. what do you want congress to do to help? >> i don't know what they can do. all i know is i agree with her. our jobs need to stay here. these people are the ones that will keep the economy in this area alive. with no jobs, how can they do that? my nephew said he was afraid to buy a car because of payments. >> understandable. and i should note, you are a republican. you voted for president trump. you are agreeing with the democratic congress woman there. this is beyond politics. >> it's not republican/democrat. it is getting these people back to work, let's make our products here. >> after the news of gm's
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layoffs came out on monday, this is what the president said about what he has done for manufacturing in america. listen to this. >> the previous administration said manufacturing is never coming back. it's gone. you need a magic wand. we found the magic wand. that's actually going to be increasing by a lot in the next short while because we have a lot of companies moving in. >> you voted for president trump. did he find the magic wand to these manufacturing jobs? and do you find that comment offensive? >> i find it offensive. we are the magic wand. we are the people that kept gm here all that time. we are a caring community. we are a good workforce. i feel we kept gm here, not any president. >> thank you for being here.
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thank you for the 40 plus years of work you did. we are thinking about your nephew, your niece and her husband and all of those workers. >> i have a niece and her husband worked there and their son is a juvenile diabetic who needs medicine every day. they are going to lose benefits. >> this is the human impact of layoffs. thank you for being with us. >> yes it is. >> thanks. >> powerful there. she said we are the magic wand. in another story, a key senator is now in favor of ending u.s. support for the saudi-led conflict in yemen. that could spell trouble for this administration. you always pay your insurance on time.
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this just coming in in the last several moments. a significant blow for the trump administration's policy over the saudi-led conflict in yemen. jack reed says he supports a resolution to end u.s.-backing for the war. a vote could come as early as today. >> people who opposed it ten months ago now support it. this comes from a shocking report save our children estimating 85,000 children under the age of 5 may have died from hunger or disease since the war began. how big is what is being
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proposed today if the u.s. would actually pull support for saudi in yemen? >> reporter: it's not just about what it means logistically and on the ground. it is also about the message that it sends. who would have thought that we would be looking down the barrel of an act that has a chance of passing. we spoke to senator murphy who is one of the co sponsors of the resolution that is expected to be before senators today. i asked him if president trump now has a saudi problem. >> we have an ally that isn't straight with us, that is murdering our residents, that is using our weapons to kill innocent civilians, that is stimulating the growth of radical extremist groups that want to hit the united states. the united states in order to maintain our own security has to
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reset our relationship with saudi arabia. i think the house of representatives is going to have to get to the bottom of why donald trump is so blind to this reality. is there some financial connection that this president has with saudi arabia that causes him to bear hug this country when no one in congress republicans or democrats are using the same rhetoric or taking the same position? >> reporter: and this is because of the humanitarian situation. take a look at this. this is the latest footage we have in of the aftermath of one of the latest saudi coalition air strikes in yemen. it wiped out an entire family. these must be very difficult pictures for the senators who have to make a decision today to watch. >> it is stunning. you will stay on it. we will stay on it. we'll see what lawmakers do about it.
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thank you. some alarming new details just in about what caused that flight lion air flight that killed 189 people on board to go down. >> it raises questions about other similar planes in the air now. the investigators say the pilots were locked in a battle with the planes's automatic safety system in the minutes before it plunged into the ocean. >> reporter: it's been a month since lion air flight 610 plunged into the sea killing all 189 passengers and crew on board. a report reveals disturbing details about the brand new boeing max 8 and its final moments. >> this graph shows the plane's erratic altitude during a flight that lasted only around 11 minutes. 90 seconds in the co-pilot radios air traffic control reporting flight control problems.
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minutes later an auto pilot feature kicks in forcing the nose of the aircraft down. 20 seconds before the crash, the pilot radios his last words saying 5,000 indicating his desired altitude. the pilots were struggling with a run away stabilizer. these orange dips indicate every time the auto pilot pushes the plane into a dive. the blue bumps are when the pilot responds trying to pull the nose of the plane up. this back and forth happens more than 30 times during an 11-minute flight, a battle in the cockpit between human operators and the auto pilot. >> for the passenger point of view it would have been terrifying and pilots, as well. >> reporter: investigators are at a loss to explain why pilots didn't follow the same procedure performed by another flight crew on the same plane the previous day when they encountered a
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similar run away stabilizer problem. >> the biggest single conclusion i draw from this report are the glaring problems with this airplane with its speed censor and angle of attack data over four previous flights and the airplane was not removed from service. the report little consolation for grieving relatives of the victims. >> mourning, sadness, frustration. >> reporter: her sister and brother in law died on lion air flight 610. >> i don't know why it's still flying on schedule taking all 189 passengers and crew. >> reporter: at least two families have announced lawsuits against boeing accusing it of producing a defective flight
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all right. president trump reinforcing that he does not believe climate change is at all man made, contributed to by humans.
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he doubled down on this in an interview on the "washington post" contradicting the assessment by his own administration. >> the u.s. military believes it. joining us now to discuss is associate professor of geology. andrea's research was cited in the climate report. this is a full-court press from this administration. you heard the same from sara sanders saying this was not based on facts. this assessment basically saying you can't do modeling saying you can't look at the future based on the data you know now. you are an expert here. explain how you do that and why the white house position is misplaced. >> i am a geologist. i study past climate and sea level change. i'm like the crime scene investigator of planet earth. when we look for what the evidence is of what has been causing this warming we see the finger prints of carbon dioxide all over the place. it is like the world's dumbest
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criminal. everywhere we look we can see evidence. when we run the models we know other things affect climate change. when you put the factors in we can't reproduce the warming trend that we see on the record. the only way is by adding in the greenhouse gas emissions that we have been producing. when they say it is not based on fact, we have a mounter of scientific literature showing us that data, our models confirm it, as well. when they say they don't believe it i wonder if they don't want to believe it. i don't want to believe it either. we could totally agree on that point. it means i have to buy into the scary parts of the story, too. >> that is very near, near term scary things that are predicted that could happen as a result. the president tweeted just about a week ago whatever happened to global warming? can you explain to everyone why
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this is not -- climate change is not about the weather of a day or a week. >> absolutely. i actually go into the elementary schools and teach this to kids at a young age if there is a difference between climate and weather. when we talk about climate, we are talking about a long-term trend like 30 years and more. we are not talking about day to day weather. you can't infer what is happening about climate change just by looking at the weather on a single day or a single year. we have to be looking at that long term trend that is amplifying extreme weather effects that we see. >> the president deliberately or mistakingly messes up -- he keeps saying we have record clean environment and doesn't get to the temperature. i want to ask the question for folks at home. we have kids. we don't want to be slowly burned to death on our own planet here. is the human race running out of
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time to take the measures necessary to rein in this rise in global temperatures? >> so this issue is becoming more and more urgent by the passing day and the passing year based on the amount of emissions that we are still producing. and our administration is leading us in that direction of producing more emissions by supporting coal instead of turning to clean energy. so we are running out of time in terms of the most dangerous effects. anything we can do and the more that we can do the sooner the better, the sooner we fix it the betther outcome to avoid the most dangerous effects of this. >> well said. >> we can only hope. thanks very much. >> thank you. we are moments away from senators getting a major briefing. all senators briefing --
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hello everyone. thank you for joining me. all eyes are on capitol hill as a high stakes meeting is getting underway at this very minute. the entire senate is headbug hind closed doors for a classified briefing by the trump administration. wh also, what does it all mean for the relationship with the saudi government including u.s. involvement in the war in yemen? defense secretary james mattis and secretary of state mike pompeo will be briefing the senators. not present is cia director gina


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