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night. news continues right now. i'll hand it over to chris cuomo. >> thank you, anderson. welcome to primetime. a key senator says there is a chance that the shutdown could end if and when they vote on this proposal on thursday. then, why is robert mueller seeking information on the trump campaign's ties to the nra and how does the president's lawyers radical retakes effect the mueller probe? cuomo's court is in session on that. and partisan america, polarized over that standoff. is it about us viewing who is to blame or is there a bigger truth that all must agree on? what do you say? let's get after it. here's where we are. week five of the shutdown and it's all but certain that
hundreds of thousands of government workers with families and debts and needs will again miss their paychecks on friday. the hope for this week comes thursday. these two measures i was telling you about. one which is the president's offer on the wall largely in an exchange some relief for daca and some temporary relief for other workers. now both measures appear to be dead on arrival. democrats have the votes to block the president's proposal and vice versa on the democrat one. but tim cain of virginia says one it is a win that it's ever happening at all and he says there's a chance. >> thank you for joining us. >> absolutely, chris. >> so what's the chance that the government reopens this week? >> today the door opened a little bit. we have a path. we'll have two votes thursday afternoon. the first vote will be on the
president's proposal that he put on the table saturday. that will not help in the form that it's in unless it goes to committee and we have a chance to discuss it and approve it by amendment. the second will be a vote to reopen government until the 8th of february while we work on the proposal to see if we can find a compromise. there is a fighting chance to get that to pass and then send the 15 days making amendments to improve it to a point and find a bipartisan compromise. >> it would be nice if the only leverage at pay were whether or not you guys want to get people paid and stop the pain of the shutdown. >> we need to. >> but that's not the reality. he won't okay your bill because he loses his leverage of getting you guys to make a deal right now. where does your optimism come
from? >> from talking to my republican senate colleagues. and i reject the notion -- you're right, the president thinks his leverage is hurting millions of people. i went to a pop up restaurant at 7th and pennsylvania halfway between congress and the white house where president employees were standing out side in the cold like a bread line from the depression, but we're not in a depression. the stock market is great and the economy is good according to the white house so why are you punishing uniformed law enforcement and making them stand in the cold to get a soup or a sandwich. he thinks it's leverage but the republican senators are increasingly uncomfortable with that notion. so my thought is this, if the president knew that we would take up his bill promptly, not four corners office and take months but take it up promptly, put it in the committee that republicans control, they're the majority and they control the
floor, if he knew that we would take it up promptly, maybe he could accept that. >> on his side, he'll have to have guarantee that there could be action, right, senator? that's not a new consideration. >> no. >> a new consideration for you is whether or not you can get 13 of your so-called brothers and sisters on the republican side to vote with you. >> that's it. you can look at this is a rubiks cube. he would say i can't reopen government unless i know you're going to take my proposal seriously. the way to do that is commit with republican committee chairs and republican majority on the floor with a prompt analysis of the proposal and the committee. the administration needs to come up and tell us and the american republic why each are important, and chris, we could do that in 15 days between thursday and
february 8th and i hope we'll send a signal to the white house that that's what we will, in fact, do. >> now the pain is real. they're measuring the economic impact of the shutdown not just on the families that aren't getting paid but the residual economic toll period. and you're getting close to $6 billion if you make it through this week in terms of loss effect from this. and these are ratings numbers on it. it's not about fighting over the numbers. the pain is real. are you worried that with time, while you have the benefit of the president of the united states having said on national television that he is shutting down the government, he will carry the mantle. he will not blame the democrats. now of course he has since then, but are you worried that nobody wins in a shutdown and soon there will be an erosion of trust even if you're not being blamed for this? >> i do agree with you, chris. nobody wins in a shutdown.
it's all bad. it's all pad but here's what my folks want. they want us to not only get out of the shutdown but get out of it in a way where we discredit the use of a shutdown ever again rather than give it power. so for example, if we let the president, by taking paychecks away from fbi agents and air traffic controllers force us to do a deal we don't want to do, he will use that tactic every time he doesn't get what he wants and my federal employees completely get that. so what they're saying to me, i was with coast guard folks earlier today, they're saying get us out of this shutdown, but do it in a way where we don't have to worry about it in the future. >> do you have a guarantee or sense of confidence that the house would behave the way they would have to in order for this deal to work?
that nancy pelosi would have democrats hammer out a deal that she hasn't wanted to before, but now with this kind of time pressure, do you think she would go for that? >> no guarantee, but here's two elements. house action is always easier if something comes out in the senate with a strong bipartisan push. if it comes out bipartisan and to get there we have to have this normal process in committee, it increases the border security piece for me. i'm just talking about for me, the dollar figure isn't the challenge. it's just making sure that the money is used right and not wasted. so the four elements are the right elements to be discussing. you have house leadership making the point and senate republicans made the same point. the president's proposal is an openi opening gambet to engage
everybody in constructive dialogue. let's really make it constructive by having the normal processes of consideration, amendment, debate, and vote happen in a prompt time and fashion. >> do you believe they will fund physical security, fences, and whatever technology they want? or are you of the not one dollar for that wall school? >> i am in the camp that has always been willing to fund significant amount of securities and say this is what is needed to keep us safe. but what i do oppose is the notion that we take all the money and build the wall, as you know every member of congress said using it just for wall is a
bad idea. >> can you make sense of what's going on with the president's legal team and what they're putting out on television? do you believe this is crazy talk or crazy talk like a fox. >> i would say the former. i think rudy giuliani and his statements are all over the map. there's tapes that the conversation about the russia hotel deal was going on right up until the time of the november 2016 election and retracting that. i don't think frankly that anyone takes seriously what t, e possible exception of robert mueller and the investigative team, the day-to-day of rudy giuliani. we have no idea whether it's true, but it is notable that so many of the steps and missteps and corrections are all about the same thing, russia. >> thank you for giving us the
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>> this cascade of confusion started here last week when the president's position on collusion went from this -- >> there's no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> to this. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. >> yes you have. >> i have not. i said the president of the united states. >> now that collapse on collusion wasn't the only bait and switch. we were told any talk of a trump tower moscow was shutdown in june of 2016. june. that was until this happened. >> as far as the president was concerned an active project
until october of 2016. an active potential deal. >> an active proposal. >> an active proposal right up until the election. one, the president wasn't straight with you and regarding the probe, at the same time he was calling for an end to sanctions on russia he was saying things like this. >> i know nothing about russia. i know about russia, but i know nothing about the inner workings of russia. i don't deal there. i have no businesses. i have no loans from russia. >> wrong. this new timing would seem to fit with this quote in the new york times where the president's lawyer said trump told him that, quote, discussions were going on from the day i announced to the day i won. the next day, giuliani told the new yorker he didn't say that. then put out a statement saying it's all hypothetical.
then they were pushing that it was all michael cohen. >> it was michael cohen trying to get a deal done. >> it was being run by michael cohen. it was his project. >> so it was an active proposal. deals were on going but if they were, they were only hypothetical and really it was all about michael cohen. what? >> the key quote here is probably from giuliani. he's actively wondering if his gravestone will read rudy giulani, he lied for trump. and even had to clarify that statement and cleared it up saying no, no, i'm not lying. so much twisting for something that the president says that he had no concern about. listen to this. >> there would be nothing wrong if i did do it. i was running my business while i was campaigning. there was a good chance that i wouldn't have won. in which case i would have gotten back into the business. >> it was all cohen but he was
updating and the president signed the letter of intent on the deal. i showed it to you. so he had to know the truth would come out. that makes the big question the same as always. if there was nothing to hide, why lie. we don't know yet, but we do know this. potus can lie to you and to me and the only penalty is political, but not with mueller and i would argue that's why his lawyer described a different answer about the tower deal to investigator than the answer that the president gave to you. remember one thing, ultimately this will all come down to what lies we're told and why. another new piece of information, we know that mueller has been looking into ties between team trump and russia, but that's not all. he is inquiring about the campaigns ties, why? does it have anything to do with an alleged spy?
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tonight a $30 million question, why is trump campaign ties to the nra? 30 million because that's how much the nra spent to back trump's candidacy in 2016 and it comes as the organization is facing scrutiny, for mari maria butina. she pleaded guilty to trying to infiltrate the nra to influence u.s. politics and also caught
some attention for her exchange with then just donald trump in 2015. >> if you would be elected as the president what would be your foreign politics especially in the relationships with my country? >> i believe i would get along very nicely with putin. i don't think you'd need the sanctions. i think that we would get along very, very well. >> i have talked to you about that sound. i have still never given an answer about what was she doing there? let's discuss the legal implacatii implications of this. good to have you both, and yes, i only read a report from sam saying i was asked by bob mueller about this stuff. they gave trump a lot more money than they usually do. so they could probably answer for that. the butina collection not a good
look for the nra. why trump called on her, i still don't know. but what do you see in this suggestion? >> what i see is how i have been making sense of mueller's investigation since it began which is that russia's active measures had four main threads. one was a social media disinformation campaign. that's one thread. you have another which is the hacking of the dnc server. another is political influence and using agents to charm and bring in people in positions of power and then a campaign finance thread. we have seen indictments and charges brought on the first three threads. the social media, the hacking, the political influence with butina and what this is is a little tidbit that mueller is, in fact, looking into this potential fourth thread of whether russia may have channelled illegally foreign funds into a federal campaign in
violation of campaign finance laws and, you know, that increase in spending by the nra, butina that overlaps in this area would raise suspicion on that front. >> first of all, it may seem odd in this day and age but until recently the nra was fairly bipartisan in it's support and they did that quite intentionally and sometimes to the frustration of some of us that are on the right, but in recent years as the democrats have thrown in the towel, virtually across the board on being protective of second amendment rights at any level, the nra has responded by skewing it's support for the first time in it's history to republicans. so don't take the spike in 2016 as something anomalous because
they have money coming in, it's a change for the nra because the politics for the united states on the issue they care about, guns and the second amendment has become polarized between the two parties. this is all of that. >> chris, they tend to do that. >> and far more good guys to defend those kids. >> i don't see them stopping. >> when an armed deputy sits outside of the school, a trained guy that's supposed -- he doesn't do anything. he doesn't do anything. >> what does that tell you? the bar is a little bit higher
than you think. make a point. >> yes. so just bringing this back to mueller, i don't think that he has to do with the politics about gun control in this country. >> of course. >> and i don't think that ken can so conclusively come to the conclusion that the spike doesn't mean anything. mueller is following the money and we do know that mari maria butina, a russian spy, was involved going into nra circles trying to bring those people in. having a russian banker that has a lot of funds involved in this, and if somehow, russia was trying to use a legitimate u.s. organization or legitimate u.s. persons as donors for illegal campaign contributions, that would be a problem. >> agreed. >> when the report comes out, we'll learn more. it's an interesting thing to
discuss. i haven't heard it before. let's get to something else that was pressing. you heard the question i layed out, whether or not the legal team around the president is confused or they're just trying to confuse other people. what's your take on that? >> well, of course your question centers around motives, but if i could just be a professional at the moment, there's no way that you could look at rudy giuliani's last three days of i'll call it performance and say that helps his client. so there's just no cast you can put on that that's positive, good legal representation in the public arena for his client. i'm astonished at the poor performance that we're seeing here as a representative by rudy giuliani. >> i don't see it as a legal performance. i think rudy's main role is pr
and to try to spread as much confusion and cast doubt on as much as he can. >> but that's done badly. >> he has a lot of people talking about it: how else do you explain the inconsistencies? >> unless he's actually employing russian manipulation tactics and propaganda, which i can't discount, i have to agree with ken, i can't see any long-term beneficial strategy that helps his client in this performance. it's like improv. let's see what scene he comes up with. and then we dissect it. what he divulges is often worse than what the public already knew and i don't see it being a good pr strategy. at this point, what he suggested is leading up until the point where he won the election that donald trump may have had a vested financial interest in a
deal in moscow while he was trying to promote, even in the platform of the republican national convention a pro-russia stance. this has a lot of issues. it has national security implications that do not help his clients no matter how you spin it. >> another provocative question. i thought it was very telling that rudy giuliani quoted an answer to a question he said the president gave in response to mueller. it was a different time line because it had to be. it's not politics there. it's real. there's exposure. well argued, both of you. even if you don't agree with me, makes it even better. thank you for being here. i appreciate it. another big story plaguing our dialogue right now. the confrontation at the lincoln memorial. people are upset and it makes sense that you're upset about it. everybody is judging it from the lenses of their own politics,
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in hindsight i wish we could have walked away. >> a tough spot for all involved. the president used the situation to his advantage sweetitweeting have become symbols of fake news and how evil it can be. the president chose to take sides to divide, the question for him is why? and the bigger question is what needs to happen here. let's debate. good to have you on the show, andre, first time. angela, how do you see what matters here? >> well, there's a number of sides to every story. this is so much deeper than that. in 2019 this country couldn't be more divided. there's a number of us that when we see what happened, some deem it as an altercation and some deem it as a standoff. i see this hat and this hat represents so much more to me
than just a symbol of free speech to the wearer. this is a hat that represents the man that announced his campaign with mexicans being drug dealers and rapists and let's build this wall. this is a man whose hat represents the same person that said he would pay the legal fees of someone that punched a black protestor in the face at one of his rallies someone that trafficked in racism and is racist and spews racist rhetoric. it's hard to divorce his policies, the rhetoric, the propaganda, his supporters from these actions and unfortunately, these young men that perhaps one day will regret their actions, it sounds like the main one that was standing right in the face of the native american leader, is already regretting some of those actions and unfortunately it represents so much of what we have seen not just in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, but what we have seen in this country from its founding. >> andre.
>> well, chris, depending on who is narrating it depends on whose side you take. it's a different perspective. should have gotten a much more difficult situation where it could have been a physical altercation. i don't understand why the parents and the teachers would have removed these students immediately. i would have immediately removed them from a hostile situation that could have escalated quite quickly and after looking at the tape to me, seems like, well, nathan phillips may have gotten too close to the children and the children should have backed off as well. and at the end of the day he got between the two of them and that could have saved what could have been a much bigger and unfortunate situation. >> by all accounts people were saying phillips changed his story. what he perceived in terms of what he could mean for him you have to separate for what actions he took. he walked up to the kids.
they were trying to diffuse. there was no violence, thank god. there wasn't anything more ugly than what we see in this video. take that this as a win. but then we have this, the president comes out and speaks on this. not steve king. not steve king. won't say anything about steve king's message. nothing, even on mlk weekend, nothing, but he does come out and say this, clearly takes a side. takes a shot at the media and something more. do you think it's just him defending his hat? what does this mean to you? >> no. it's so interesting, chris, right? we think about the time when barrack obama was criticized so heavy for the beer summit between the police officer and henry lewis gates who was a legend and in his own home. just to bring two sides together. and once again this president is demonizing one side -- really not one side. he's demonizing the media which is his favorite enemy to pick on
and then also taking the side against this native american. we have to remember what was actually happening at that time. that was an indigenous people's march. that's been forgotten in all of this. he had every right to be there too. he had every right to stand his ground. but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's so interesting that instead of using this platform as commander in chief to bring people together, to figure out how to end some of this rhetoric, some of these challenges, some of the greatest conflict of our time, he's again choosing sides and doubling down on some of the most hateful rhetoric, bigotry that we have seen in years. >> why jump on this, andre? why try to bring these kids to the white house? the facts are uncleared about whether they were invited. why jump on this and ignore steve king? >> first off, angela and i are good friends and i find myself usually on the other side but i agree with her. i think the president missed
what would have been a better opportunity to take the high ground for both sides and say, look, we need to come together. on such a special occasion like dr. martin luther king's birthday we should have found the high grounds for both sides. unfortunately, nothing happened but we need to be kinder to one another. >> why didn't he do that? >> it was a missed opportunity. >> why does he never do that? >> he doesn't know how. >> i think the president continues to feel like, as so many republicans do, the media overwhelmingly tends to favor the other side and he continues to feel like it's a beat down every day in the media just as he was falsely accused just a few short days before that. so i think he felt much like -- he felt these young people -- >> falsely accused of what. >> i think he took -- >> what was he falsely accused of? >> he was falsely accused of talking to the other side, the media, immediately jumped on a
untrue story and then every pundant out there said immediately he needs to be impeached. >> you're talking about the buzzfeed story and that was on the president's mind so when this happened he decided to take a situation as volatile as this and play to advantage because he was upset about the buzzfield sto -- buzzfeed story. >> it's continual that he sees so much media coverage not true and unfair toward him so when he sees this happen to other people, he understands what they're dealing with. >> i hear the argument as well. >> it's hard to accept. >> angela, i have never seen a man in elected office, let alone the presidency, disesmble and lie as much as this president has. the fact that he's offended by things that aren't accurate is a little hard to believe.
>> not only is it hard to believe, it's hard to accept. i wish that for one moment we could talk about what we see. people are talking about what shaping right now as a result of what happened in this particular incident is our varying perspectives and i this i that's such a powerful point. like, forget donald trump for a moment and just think about that symbol of that red hat. when i see the make america great again hat, chris, i'm triggered. i'm so triggered. andre, in a lot of ways our friendship has been compromised by the fact that you continue to support this man. the one thing i'll say to you to be fair is more than anybody else i know on this network you will regularly take donald trump to task. i don't agree with you on this last point but this make america great again hat is just as maddening and frustrating and triggering for me to look at as a kkk hood. that's the type of hatred that his policies represent. and until we can have common ground and understanding about that, we're going to continue to
have problems. >> final word, andre. >> i would just say you don't let people run around in your head rent free. there are things that offend me but i don't let them defend me. a lot of people believe we elected an individual that was willing to take on everybody from wall street to the media to go in and drain the swamp and put this country back on the path where we believe america was first and to make it great again to where we looked after the people in this country first and foremost. >> when was that? >> when was it great, andre. >> i don't believe that it's not great now but there's been days -- >> when was it great again? tell me the year? >> you know it. >> andre is being smart because any time you go into our past, you would have to be identifying a period where we were not as free and equal as we are today and that's the problem with something that inherently asks us to look back to an earlier time. to her point about being
sensitive. when i first saw the hat, i was like it's a slogan hat. that's what they are. i understand differently now. i'm blessed with enough people in my life that have different experiences when it comes to what that hat means to them and how they feel they're represented in that dynamic. i get it. it's not just a hat. it shouldn't be. that's why we have to know why the kids were wearing it there. >> can you remember the last time that the white house had daily briefing with the press? they used to have them all the time. why not now? went the way of the dinosaur. the president gave the directive to stop the briefing. one thing that he will own. why will he own this? next. brows for days.
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in a government shutdown most politicians would take every opportunity to get their version of events in front of you. traditionally for the white house it comes in the form of the daily press briefing. this president says don't bother. he tweeted the reason sarah sanders doesn't go to the podium anymore is the press covers so rudely and inaccurately. i told her not to bother. word gets out anyway. most will never cover us fairly and hence the term fake news. the daily briefings were already getting closer to a monthly happening instead of daily. the point of the briefing isn't for the president's position to get spewed out there and spread. it's for it to be tested by the people. he overlooks that because he has very little appetite for it. >> it's a convenient response,
but let's just remember, right, the start. more people at this inauguration ever, period, it started, the first one, which is not really questions. it just came out and there was a statement, was a lie. >> that was spicer. >> but it went on from there and you can track the misstatements and falsehoods and lies from sarah sanders as well and also the method by which she goes by doing it. it's a tough job. but she cuts people off. she doesn't want to hear what they have to say and she doesn't allow follow ups and then they complain about it, it's so contentious. the press briefings have always been contentious but especially if you lie more than any other administration, it's going to be even more contentious. the last press briefing was
december 18th. december 18th. today is january 22nd. there was the fake briefing that they gave a january 23rd. the president came out and said he was going to do it and then he just talked about the wall and it was a political thing and then he just moved on. >> everything that you say there is 100%. it's never been cozy. it gets tricky so you have to know the line. you have to be able to test those that you may be comfy with. so that's not new. sarah sanders tactics aren't new. it is a challenging position. the big difference is the lies and the fact that instead of owning them.
>> this could be a deflection. you need to talk to the president's out side >> nobody pushed that around like i did that led to none of them ever coming on again. but i had to do it. >> which says a lot they won't come on. but listen, the member of the intelligence committee who is going to et get to ask a lot of questions of a lot of people including michael cohen and. other members of this administration, eric swalwell is going to join us. >> key. good on you. see you this a second. >> see you in a minute. >> what are we going to talk about? i have an argument to mike. this lincoln memorial, you can't leave it alone.
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that's how xfinity makes tv... simple. easy. awesome. the confrontation in d.c. with the the native american and kcatholic school kids raises questions, motivation, why people react in the moment the way they do and what should happen to those people now. i'm not talking about the people involve d in the confrontation. i'm talking about everybody else. please accept that in the actual froconfrontation no one was hur. i have not seen credible evidence that the kid did or said anything extreme. the group taunting the kids was being provocative. where were the chaperons? why did a school event involve maga hats? the man nathan phillips wanted to diffuse the tension and
walked up to do that. and the kid doesn't seem to be afraid, but he did make a choice and that was to make it into a standoff. that was not a good choice. was it legal, sure. that's not my test. it shouldn't be thee test. if that were my son who goes to a catholic school, what i like what he did? if i were there, would i have allowed the kids to be in that situation? no and no. there was a disrespect at play that doesn't work for me in these circumstances. i don't blame the kids. my concern were the reactions more so. the left and the right almost instantly had equal and opposite reactions. reports of extreme misconduct, attack from the kids, reverb to hurt the kids, the man with the drum was accused of lying and provoking and then came the president. the students of covington have become symbols after fake news and how evil it can be. they have captivated the attention of the world and i know they will use it for the
world, maybe even bringing people together. it started off unpleasant, but can end in a dream. isn't that your job rgs not the teen. aren't they supposed to be protected from this? aren't you the one who is supposed to find a way to bring us together instead of exploiting every opportunity to divide, rail iing on the media d the left, propping up victim. you neck neglect they were victims of their own choices and actions. i wonder if the hats had nig to do with your muted response. it's bad for two reasons. the kids shouldn't be pawns. they are kids. i'm not excusing their conduct. i don't know who consented to them. i don't know who consented to the hats a as school event. there are issues of behavior for the parents and the school, period. but they are not players in the left/right wars just because of the hat and the confrontation. i do give them leeway as kids. all kids, any kids, that's why the law treats them differently
and certainly should even more than it does. the second reason this is botherso bothersome, our president hasn't said a word about steve king and his yap. his party, his fellow republicans, elected officials in congress, all came out against king. he stayed quiet. but now when the white kids wearing the maga hats get into it with a minority, he's up tr it. you go after white kids, potus doesn't like it. everyone else, maybe he'll stay silent. there's a pattern of choices by this president and you have to call it out because it's not what we're about. especially when and where this happened. all of this taking place at the lincoln memorial on mlk weekend. the reverend once told the nation he had a dream of equality. what happened here ain't that dream. there was no violence, but it wasn't nonviolent protests. it was opposing something for no good reason. literally looking for
differences and partisans rushing to weaponize it. this confrontation is the truth in one major regard. it's a true reflection of where we are. we seem to be able to agree on nothing. but i will argue that it isn't proof that all is lost. and that the division while overwhelming there's a chance for better situations to be part of make iing it better. teaching the kids that you got to inject kindness in the situations, the power of dialogue, what confrontation should be about. the kid even gets that. in his statements that he's made, he says i wish we could have talked. i wish this had never happened. he's right. hopefully he will never make a choice like this again. but how about the rest of us? when will we decide to handle things better? you know what we could use? a et leader in that regard. that's what a president is
supposed to be. and if he doesn't want to fill that job, who is going to step up? who is going to step up and take occasions to make us better. because this is not sustainable for the country. it's not a way for us to be our best by any definition. thank you for watching. d. lemon, right now. >> chris, we don't share notes. i have notes here because i knew you were going to talk about this. and they are almost similar. if it you'll just allow me a minute or two to get this out and then you and i can sdus. you were right on. i think your assessment is right on, but there's some other things. there was some misreporting here. media is not off the hook. people include iing the media shouldn't jump to conclusions. but the benefit of the doubt should be given to all in our society, not just some. i mean, that means the kids and the trayvons