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ps just because we can charge something doesn't mean we should. her office is under investigation. and thank you at home for joining me. inside politics with dana bash starts right now. > . welcome to "inside politics." this time tomorrow the redacted mueller report will likely be out. as we wait, new polling shows a majority of americans want congress to have access to every single word. ron johnson just back from a trip to the u.s. southern border will join me on the heels of the attorney general tightening screws on migrants seeking asylum. while president trump is senator bernie sanders feuded on twitter, others get serious
about their favorite singers. >> i'm a bruce springsteen guy. >> if kd lang i think is the best singer alive. if i get in office, she is singing at the first party. >> but we begin with the fiem moments of calm here in washington or as close to calm as this town actually gets before the public release of robert mueller's report. attorney general bill barr will release a redacted version of the nearly 400-page document tomorrow morning. sources close to the president say white house advisers aren't predicting any bombshells but are feeling anxious because they believe the report will provide an inside look at chaos. many aides cooperated with the special counsel and the details of testimonies could prove embarrassing. publically the white house has its poker face on insisting it is business as usual. everything you have heard it is
just a rumor. >> they would rather try to pit us all against each other. i can tell you that we are not looking at it that way at all. in those 400 pages we know what does not exist and it is collusion. >> will the president speak after the report comes out? >> i would accept. p. >> what are you hearing from your sources about the anticipation level? >> reporter: there is a sense of apprehension not just over the white house, but over washington in general because people do not know what the report is going to say tomorrow. now, people back here at the wo white house are not worried about an explosive bombshell in the report, but they are worried that the damage will be in the details here. some people who worked closest with president trump are the people who sat down with the special counsel's team for the longest. one person people are going to
be keeping eyes on is the former white house council who is reported to have sat down with the special counsel for around 30 hours. he was close to the central aspects of the investigation especially as it relates to obstruction so people are wondering what all about he told the special counsel is going to be revealed in this report. a big aspect here is white house officials have not read the report. they are worried about the details. one thing that is unclear that is going on in washington right now is that tomorrow everyone is going to be reading this report. not just people back here at the wo white house including kellyanne conway, but the president's legal team, the president's campaign, republican lawmakers, democratic lawmakers, essentially everyone is going to be reading this when it comes out tomorrow. >> thank you so much for that.
here at the table with me to share their reporting and insights, michael sheer with the "new york times," lauren lopez with politico. it is amazing to wrap our minds around the fact that we are here. after all of those hours. >> i think what caitlyn said is accurate. we are trying to find out about obstruction. we are trying to figure out just why bob mueller and his team left that important issue unresolved and punted it over to the attorney general. did he intend to give it to congress to handle? we may find that out. and the question of how the special counsel describes donald trump's actions in the white
house. how does he describe the recounting of the fact that according to the "new york times" that the president wanted his own attorney general, the white house council to fire mueller and that mcgan said he would quit. that's a lot of time. he has had an up close view of this president's behavior. it's an open secret in washington. they are not exactly best friends. i just want to see what bob mueller's view of this is and it will give us an indication of why he felt that while he couldn't exonerate the president, he also couldn't charge him. >> it is an open question what we are going to see about dawn mcgan's testimony. anybody's testimony because there wasn't -- the conclusion was that there was no crime
committed and the question is how deep is the justice department, bill barr in particular, going to go in protecting people from their point of view and from the other point of view is, you know, white washing. if you are the democrats. i want to play what jamie ras continue who is a democratic member of the judiciary committee said last hour here on cnn. >> it's not a good sign that attorney general barr has said that he is using a color coded system in order to implement the different categories of redaction in all of these other cases. it's congress that has done the redactions. we have gotten the complete material. we have decided what the public can see. the attorney general seems to want to usurp the congressional function and say i will take care of that for you guys. i think it is likely we will be fighting for the uncensored report. >> i think one of the things that -- one of the reasons that people are more focussed on the
obstruction piece is that at least there is a sense that when it comes to the collusion piece, there are perhaps more legitimate reasons to sort of hold back sources and methods and involve the collusion piece involving questions of involvement with russian agents and russians that might have to sort of protect some of that. it's less clear and less legitimate for the redactions to happen on the obstruction side where you are not talking about spy games and protecting intelligence sources. you are just protecting people's reputati reputations. that is something the congressman and others would say is not a legitimate thing for the white house to do on its own. >> just how much of this report is redacted is going to be something that we will be watching tomorrow because we know the report is about 400
pages. in terms of actual content is it 400 pages? you kind of see the battle lines drawn between democrats and republicans about whether they are going to be satisfied with barr's handling of this because democrats have already made it clear the report should not be redacted. we are willing to subpoena for the full report and underlying evident. they don't trust barr. if they had any sort of sympathy with barr that kind of went away with his testimonies before the committees last week. republicans have said we trust barr. he is a good man. he is a solid legal expert and we trust his rationale and decision make frg redaction. it is going to be a very bitter fight. >> it appears that the public is on the democrats' side. if we go to a poll that asks americans whether they believe congress should get an unredacted report, six in ten say yes, 60% say congress should get the full report.
30% redact some. i don't know if it is an accident or not that the 30% is about are the president's support for his base hovers, as well. >> i think democrats are playing the balancing act right. they know that the majority of the public wants to see the report which is why they feel comfortable with pushing this with continuing their aggressive nature and saying we are going to subpoena. they are readying the subpoena because they expect this report to be heavily redacted. that being said, they are still being very careful not to use the impeachment word. they are saying this doesn't mean we will start proceedings. they have a lot of other investigations that they are pursuing that aren't relate today the mueller report. so far i was out on the campaign trail and i don't see this really impacting the presidential race right now. no voters are talking about the mueller report. elizabeth warren was in south carolina. out of the questions she was asked, this didn't come up once.
>> that's interesting on that note. obviously, we have seen since the democrats took over the house that they have expanded where they are looking way beyond russia. and even another part of this poll says most people want congress after this is teev just move on. what do you think politically about the notion of sticking with this? >> i think they will stick with this for the next week or so. you can be sure because they want to look at how donald trump behaves in the white house thmpt question of donald trump's behavior is baked. people have kind of baked opinions of him. it's difficult to shock people anymore when it comes to donald trump. if you listen to nancy pelosi and i know we all do, and she has been out there saying we are going to talk about what the people care about. we are going to talk about bread and butter issues, about health
care, income, minimum wage, et cetera. so the democrats understand this but i also believe that there are a lot of democrats who believe if there is a constitutional issue here that they have the responsibility not to let this just go away because then they give up their rights as members of congress to see the whole report. so i think there is something constitutional at stake here for them beyond what is politically at stake. >> chances that this goes to court, maybe all the way to the supreme court?100%. one thing i want to point out is that bob mueller is involved in the redactions here. that is kind of an interesting side story because obviously he is a traditionalist as we all know, but he does want his work to be out there. and if he is sitting on bill barr's shoulder i wonder what the impact of that will be.
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nomination that it becomes very easy for republicans to basically run against socialism which is what they want today do on health care and other policy priorities on the left. i think democrats are getting a little nervous about how much bernie sanders has a hold on those base voters. everybody has to win to win the primary. >> you're reporting is mirrored by jonathan martin in the "new york times." your colleague said the following in his story. how some democrats are beginning to ask do they thwart a candidate from outside the party structure who is inmmune from imitation without reinforcing the establishment is out to get me message, the same grievance mr. trump used. >> it is actually remarkable how similar the kind of dynamics of the bernie sanders insurgency is to the trump insurgency that
obviously succeeded and didn't succeed the last time around. but they are plotting especially the same play book again and hoping to both appeal to this sort of young populist liberal base and sort of playoff against what they would consider the old tired democratic establishment and to some extent the obama presidency and use that as the energy for their campaign. >> although, obviously, to state the blatant obvious, the difference is that it was bernie sanders versus hillary clinton. now you have bernie sanders and all of these other competitors, many of whom completely aspouse what he believes in. >> nine months out, we don't know how people like elizabeth warren or booker are going to pull from sanders. i think that the die hard bernie
sanders voters aren't necessarily going to be with this crowded field in all these options going to say i'm not going to vote for whoever the nominee is. biden jumping in will shake up the field. i think it is safe to say that we can expect him pretty soon to be getting in. >> so much for that segue. i want to bring you brand new reporting from jeff zeleny who reports that greg schultz met with top democratic aides on capitol hill and was talking to him about all of the work that he has done for all of these members in the mid term elections and most importantly said that everything is going ahead as scheduled. that's reporting from jeff zeleny. >> it's really interesting how clearly the president knows who he wants to elevate. one is obviously bernie sanders and the other is obviously the former vice president particularly because of the higher nature of their polling
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eligible to be released on bond while their cases are being processed. the new decision comes amid a broader crack down as part of the trump administration's efforts to deter would-be migrants. i want to bring in the senator from wisconsin who is chairman of the homeland security committee. thank you for joining me today. i know you are working on legislation. first, i want to ask about this order. do you think that it's going to help the crisis at the border? >> first of all, i want to be able to really understand what the attorney general is saying. the news report says thousands. you have seen my chart just since 2012, we had approaching 900,000 unaccompanied children. i doubt this order will apply it those. 900,000 of those individuals were apprehended and processed and dispersed all over america. i was down at the border and
talking and asking do we know where these people arend basic answer is no. this is a crisis. we have a completely unsecured border. we are basically being used by the human trafficers in their hundred million dollar enterprise here. we are helping them out. >> sure. i have seen your chart. it's very in depth, one that might be more digestible for our viewers and i want to show them is just about the asylum applications. it has spiked in a dramatic way. 2012 started at 44,500. now at least in fy 2018 and that was the last fiscal year, 161,000 and it is still spiking. that's newt even factoring in the fact that a lot of them are uncompanied minors who are being preyed upon by the human
traffickers. having said all that, america's system of justice is set up in a very specific way. given that, should the american government be detaining people and not allowing them to go out on bail? >> well, again, so this year just in six months, 240,000 unaccompanied children are exploiting our laws and being basically shoved into -- allowed to go into america. it's completely out of control. the way to solve this problem in the end, only about 15% have a valid asylum claim. we need to have a more rapid and more accurate initial determination of asylum claim while we have people in custody for a few days. until this spiked, it took about eight days to come to the initial determination. now it is 40 to 45. we have to provide the resources. we have to have the facilities to maintain people in custody.
if we don't detain people, we don't remove them. 85% don't have their asylum claim granted. this process being completely exploited. they turn themselves in. they shouldn't have fear of border patrol agents because they have a great deal of humanity. border patrol and i.c.e. have been turned into tools of -- people crossing the border they realize in a few days of processing their ordeal is over and they are home free staying in america long term as seen in a city near you. >> i understand that. in the short term -- i was down at the border last week with the vice president, as well. the one complaint that i got is how overrun the system is. so on a practical level, in the short term, how is the justice department, how is this new
ruling going to work? there is no place to put these migrants? >> so we do need to address the problem in the here and now y. hear people say let's send billions and repair the economies of central america. that is not going to happen anytime soon. we have to address this problem. michael showed us how to do this. in 2005 we had a surge. he set up a process. 31,000 came in in 2005. within a month, that was reduced by 60% and then by 90%. the following year only 1,400 came in here. we need to rapidly determine is this a valid asylum claim, price up the bar higher so more nan 15% have a valid asylum claim and then we need to remove people. that will send a very powerful signal. that will be a consequence so folks won't pay the coyotes,
these human smugglers who are making hundreds of millions of dollars. they won't risk that money. it should be to reduce the flow by having a consequence of rapid removal from those people who don't have valid asylum claim. we don't want to see people harmed by gangs. most of the individuals have relatives and a job lined up. that's economic migration. we can't allow this illegal overrun. >> what you are talking about is a legislative fix. so far there has been no appetite at all in congress to actually figure out a way to do that. that is why the administration has been acting on its own. i mentioned i was with the vice president on the border. listen to what he said. >> it's absolutely essential to end a humanitarian crisis that
really threatens the security of the american people and is creating hardship on both sides of our border. congress needs to act. president trump is doing his job. our brave border patrol agents are doing their job. it's time for congress to do their job. >> i have no doubt that i know you are very actively trying to get legislation done to fix this legislatively. color me keptical on the notion that you can actually find a way for this incredibly divided congress especially on this hot button topic such as immigration to do this. tell me why you think that this time could be different. >> so the ball is clearly in congress's court. the administration simply can't solve this problem on their own. the way to solve any problem is lay out the reality. you have to admit you have a problem. ivent heard democrats say this
is a manufactured crisis anymore. this is so overwhelming the evidence. we held two great hearings. i had democrat members of my committee say let's sit down and work together. so we have come up with the outlines of families act that does provide that rapid adjudication, a faster and fair system while we hold people to attention and have enough resources to do this so we can make that determination and we can remove people. that is a solution that would require a congressional action. i'm encouraged that at least democrats are admitting we have the problem. removal is the solution. i know senator durbin was down in el paso asking the same good questions, getting the exact same actions. >> we are going to be watching to see that you try to push that through congress. appreciate it. i want to say thank you to you
because we have breaking news. and the breaking news is out of denver, colorado, where police have been hunting for a woman they describe as armed and dangerous. the fbi in denver tweeted confirming there is investigative activity around the base of mt. evans which is west of the city of denver y. want to get to josh campbell who is a former agent with the fbi. what do we know at this hour? >> this manhunt has been going on since yesterday. we know this resulted in the closing of numerous schools, the fbi receiving a tip out of miami that was shared with officials in denver regarding this woman who had travelled there, authorities believe may have been intending to cause some type of harm. they believe she purchased a shotgun. we are hearing from officials some type of investigative activity. i can tell you until they have
her in custody, you are not going to get an all clear. they are not going to come out and fully explain exactly what happened. i think they are letting residents in that area know gnat you see a large presence of law enforcement officers descending on that location, this is why. and the fact that they are tie ing it to this hashtag tells us it is part of the investigation. is this person going to be someone they are able to arrest. we know they didn't yet have a charge. fbi has put out a statement indicating that they consider her armed and dangerous. we know any type of tactical response you would see the full resources of a tactical team trying to make contact with her and then bring her into custody in order to conduct an interview to figure out what is going on there. this is the latest that we have seen from the fbi from law enforcement telling us that there is some type of overt investigative activity going on. >> as we talk about this
breaking news, just to bring our viewers up to speed about what we are talking about, the woman that you see on the screen. she according to local and federal officials made credible but not specific threats after traveling from miami to denver on monday night. she apparently is somebody who is infatuated with the columbine massacre. the 28th anniversary of that is this coming weekend on saturday. so that was the threat that is the concern and what they have done in colorado is really remarkable. they have closed almost 20 school districts today as they look for this woman. that is extraordinary. >> a very aggressive posture here by law enforcement. what it comes down to is we are
told from law enforcement officials that they deem her to be a credible threat but they decent have a specific threat at this point. although they believe she is armed and dangerous, this tip doesn't indicate what exactly her target was. was there a specific school. the fact that they know from her history that she has expressed this infatuation towards columbine and being on the heels of the 20th anniversary is an important data point. it concerned them enough where they essentially shut the whole area down trying to ensure that the students were safe until they make contact with her and bring her safely into custody. now that we see the latest statement from law enforcement, that's the most overt that we have seen thus far providing information about latest developments as it relates to the subject. >> i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst. what is your take on this tweet and what it tells you about
where the investigation is that we are almost there in terms of getting this woman into custody? >> well, i want to kind of minimize expectations. investigative activity could mean a whole host of things. it could be as little as stopping to talk to somebody on the street or chasing down a lead. >> would they tweet about that? >> it also could indicate that they have enough evident to get a search warrant and could be looking to get evident to track this person down. she is considered a person of interest. she is not a fugitive. the concerning part are comments she made on some websites in the dark nether regions of the internet, some inflammatory speech. you tie that in with this piece, she purchased a shotgun 20 years ago this saturday on april 20 of 1999, i'm sure authorities are looking at this. they are not trying to do
profiling because in this instance, women are a lot less predisposed to do something like this than men. just under five percent of violent activity, it is usually 96% of time a man. they will treat her like a person of interest. they can't arrest her yet unless they have new evidence. they can bring her in, conduct a brief investigative detention and try to determine if there is anything that she can say that could give light to some of her statements online that they found so troubling. >> talk about the law enforcement strategy of being so transparent in the investigation, so out there, so open. is it to just get help to see if somebody sees her, to put her picture out as we are doing right now on the screen? or is there something more to it? >> that is the age-old dual edged sword.
on one point you don't want to put too much out there to spook potential accomplices or have people destroy evidence or give her the indication that if she doesn't have access to news give her indication that authorities are looking for her. the other side of that coin is the media can help law enforcement here because what we are doing is called crowd sourcing. we put her face out there. we put the story out there so that somebody in this part of denver and colorado region can take a look and say i think i saw that person at the corner store and give that tip, no matter how insignificant you night believe it to be at the time, give the tip to law enforcement, see your local sheriff or police or call the local 1-800 number for the fbi in your local office. >> stay with us. we are going to keep looking at this. this is a new tweet from law enforcement saying that this woman person of interest, that there is activity in the case and this is so serious, so
significant that 20 school districts are closed in the denver area because they are concerned about this woman being at large because of the fact that she purchased a shotgun and of course the fact that she has made clear that she is obsessed with the columbine massacre which happened 20 years ago saturday. we will look for more information, take a quick break. don't go anywhere. do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back? about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. fasenra is an add-on injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. fasenra is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra is proven to help prevent severe asthma attacks, improve breathing, and can lower oral steroid use. fasenra may cause allergic reactions.
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woman, this person of interest who has been at large. they were so concerned about what was going on. let's see the update. there is no longer a threat to the community. more information to follow shortly. find sol. i want to get straight to our experts and our former fbi ag t agent. translate that. no longer a threat means? >> it could mean a number of things. i think they are signaling to the community that the threat has been neutralized whether that means a person has been taken into custody or this ended a different way. at least in their mind they have taken the person, made contact or will have to sort out and figure out if there was an encounter with law enforcement. we have seen incidents where law enforcement arrives and someone
tries to flee or engage law enforcement in which case that would be the authorized use of deadly force. they are not saying she was arrested. they are not saying that they are doing some type of investigative detention. they are saying there is no longer a threat which is very vague. >> also, i don't want to speculate too much, but it also sounds ominous maybe isn't the right word, but very clear about what the fate of this suspect or this person of interest is. they are very confident of whatever it is. >> to me, i take that as extremely reassuring. why? josh mentioned that it indicates she was either taken into custody or somehow ended her own life or engaged in a shootout. we don't know. it is pure speculation. it means law enforcement is confident that there is not a broader conspiracy here.
the concern was not just one single person with a shotgun who said inflammatory comments on social media, but the fact that she might have had accomplices or people that she was working with or basically conspiring with. so that's what that says to me t. says police are confident that there is no imminent threat now. they will do further investigation and further details could come forward and could be further developments. that's what that indicates to me just reading it on its face. >> you have to understand, this is a community that has been rocked for the better part of 24 hours. if the threat has been neutralized it is incumbent upon law enforcement to get the message out. >> even more so for 20 years. i want to get to cnn's scott mcclain in littleton, colorado. this is an area, the denver area, that had columbine, aurora, mass shootings is their
living nightmare unfortunately. so the fact that this is going on, that kids were told not to go to school, and we are talking about 100 schools in some 20 school districts because they were so worried about the threat of this woman that you see on the screen. i know this news just came about. what is the feeling on the ground there as they are told by law enforcement that she is no longer a threat? >> it's a little bit strange to see because obviously this is when school would normally be on. it is the middle of the week, a wednesday. the last time that i saw the columbine parking lot look like this was last year on the anniversary of the columbine massacre when typically they don't hold class on that day. it's a pretty bizarre sight to see. we have not seen hardly any students walking around. there is very little traffic going up and down. you have to imagine that
authorities don't take the decision to shut down school for well over half a million students very lightly. we are talking about 20 school districts. this is hundreds of schools. they had to have believed that there was a legitimate threat for them to do that. a little bit about the area where the fbi has said that there was some activity going on. this is about -- >> i want to let you know and let our viewers know, as you are talking, we have some video of what you are describing coming in from mt. evans, colorado. i think we can play it now. go ahead, scott. >> reporter: so this is an area about an hour and a half drive from where we are in littleton. it is initial reports were that she was last spotted somewhere out in the foothills. this is as you are driving out to the main ski resorts. it is in a pretty remote area. you will have to go down a seasonal road with plenty of switchbacks. she was not in a main area.
she was in a pretty remote part of the colorado mountains that is not so easy to get to. it's not clear to me exactly what is there, but we did reach out to the sheriff's office and they are referring everything to the fbi. the fbi at this point is being pretty vague about what they mean by there is no longer a threat to the community, but i can tell you that a lot of people here will be breathing a sigh of relief. it is hard to overstress the significance of shutting down schools across a metro area the size of denver. >> absolutely. it is really remarkable. and it is an extreme effect or extreme move. but, look, this is as you said about the parking lot, this is an area that has been rocked, shattered by school shootings in the recent past. so i think you can consider the alternative. what if they didn't do this and they didn't apprehend this
person and there was still a threat? then there would have been a lot of should have, would have, could have. they are taking every precaution in general but especially for the area that has unfortunately had to deal with this. just to reiterate, scott, that it was just last night that the special agent in the fbi office there in denver said the search was a massive man hunt. they were looking for this woman who you see on the screen there, 18 years old. they got a tip that she was flying from miami to the denver area that she made clear on the internet and other forums that she was infatuated columbine and had purchased a firearm. scott. we have lost scott's audio. we will get back to you, scott,
if you can hear me in a minute. let's go back to josh and james, our law enforcement analysts and those who have been in the trenches, been in the field. josh, as we await the answer from the fbi exactly what they mean with their tweet, there is no longer a threat, as you have had a moment to think about it, what are you processing having been on the other side as the person who helped craft a tweet like that? >> there are a lot of different options here for law enforcement whenever they neutralize a threat as far as what they actually put out to the public. again, i just go back to the vagueness of this initial message. again, they are doing their job. their job -- >> josh y want to interrupt you to tell you what the people can see on our screen. local affiliate is reporting that this suspect is dead, that she is in fact dead which obviously led the fbi to have the confidence to say that there is no longer a threat.
>> go ahead. i was going to say that they have different options as far as what they put out. the subject is taken into custody, no harm to put that information out whmpt we first heard that it did seem very vague. now we are seeing local reporting that the person is deceased. the questions remain. we don't know whether or not the person was engaged by law enforcement or took her own life. there have been a number of different ways in the past as far as how these things have gone down. i recall a man hunt in pennsylvania where authorities arrived and happened to see the subject and went in and grabbed him, firearm was not far away. it could have ended differently. we have seen where a person wants to die in suicide by cop. we will see what the circumstances were y. wi. i will say that because this person was deemed armed and dangerous we know any law enforcement officer would have been on high alert.
that's a phrase that law enforcement uses armed and dangerous. that goes out to people doing the search. we know she purchased a firearm. we will have to wait and see what went down and the circumstances were that led to her demise. >> we are minutes away from finding out the back story, i'm sure it is a dramatic one that led to her demise with law enforcement engaged in this massive manhunt for the past day. i want to get back to scott on the ground in littleton, colorado. scott, i believe we have you back. we haven't spoken since the news about our affiliates reporting that she is dead. the 18 year old who has been the subject of this manhunt, the person who they were concerned about as very credible threat has died. >> reporter: and it's really extraordinary that it has gotten to this point because i can tell you in interviewing last year the former principal of
columbine, he will tell you there is a laundry list of threats and strange individuals that have come through columbine over the past couple of years. there is one woman he recalled said she was coming to see where her husband died implying she had been married to one of the shooters in this massacre. so there is all kinds of bizarre threats. it rarely ends with much of anything. they are pretty used to lock outs and that type of thing. typically in these cases, the threat is found or the person is found and we move on. it is pretty extraordinary that it has come to this where you have a person who posed a threat and now is dead. >> it's so true. thank you so much. i know you have to do reporting. on that note, as a law enforcement official, you probably dealt with threats by
the minute, maybe by the hour especially as you come around a key anniversary of a tragedy where there are copy cat people, people who are saying that they want to do things. to get to this extreme point where there is a massive manhunt where 100 schools are closed and we don't know the circumstances of her death, but that the person of interest is dead, what does that tell you? >> the fact that there are people out there that my mythologize folks like this exist. we will always go to the point. once we know that there is no more tleet the community there, the fbi will get to the bottom of what was the specific credible threat that concerned them enough? if you go on the internet, you will see hateful rhetoric. you will see incendiary words and people saying things in the heat of the moment or people
saying wild hyperbole. if what is the threat here? the community can rest easy that they are saying there snoout a threat ongoing in that region anymore. >> a source is telling cnn that she was found dead, that she was found dead which is quite interesting. it tells us that there maybe not necessarily was a shootout or any of the possibilities that you were describing a few minutes ago. >> i have to throw it back to you. >> josh, stay with us. josh, i don't know if you heard me. >> absolutely. you look at that and you say she probably took her own life. she probably knew there was a drag net closing in on her and
that's probably what happened. as long as law enforcement didn't say it was an officer involved shooting it is probably likelihood that she ended up killing herself. >> thank you all. we have so much more to look into this breaking news story. this is cnn breaking news. >> we begin with breaking news. cnn sources are reporting that the woman who set off a massive manhunt is dead. the fbi tweeted moments ago there is no longer a threat to the community. all of this stemming from the search for an armed woman described as infatuated with the columbine school massacre. our correspondent is in littleton, colorado. we have cnn law enforcement analysts here with us. we have nationa
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