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>> so there you have president trump on immigration. you see on the screen, unveiling this merit-based immigration plan saying he's going to be crystal clear and much of the focus as we anticipated was on border security and gets get quick analysis starting with dana bash. and you had this great reporting today about this division within the white house, sort of like a team stephen miller, border security versus team jared kushner and maybe possibly including daca kids and trying to get some support from the other side of the aisle. listening to the president just then, did you hear anything new or what were your takeaways? >> new, yes. for sure. in terms of this proposal. new, not as of yesterday. but as of this week, this is the whole -- the whole game here for him is to try to appeal to the
business community, and try to appeal to democrats who have been calling for merit-based immigration more extensive legal immigration to help with -- with the much-needed jobs and a work force that is absolutely necessary in this country. there are so many yeah, but that i could go in so many directions after i explain that. >> hit me with one. >> for one example, on this whole idea of this new legal immigration program, democrats are already saying, okay, but what about the current system? family-based, need-based. we know about asylum that should be a separate tranche because that is a separate conversation but is that going to change? and then of course the biggest "yeah but" is something you alluded to which is if you want to have any kind of chance of this going through and when i
say "this", i mean anything related to immigration, the democratic-led house or 60 votes in the united states senate you need a conversation and compromise about daca children which he did not bring up and as i mentioned any reporting is that it is something that jared kushner has said that maybe he can get people to be open to but good luck getting the president to commit to something that his base is going to go bonkers about. >> and to the point on working potentially or not across the aisle, i've got rose quizon, an immigration law professor at rutgers and it is interesting, i want your thoughts on what we just heard from the president and then i know you do so much work on this and hearing perfect the president's allies and lindsey graham who put forth his own immigration bill, he has even said this is all about uniting republicans and less about it becoming law. so my question is, what then is the point?
>> i think the best way to describe what is going on here, based on the president's perspective and senator graham's perspective is this is about a political move. the election is coming up and there are proposals here designed to -- to address the base of these two different political leaders. it is not really getting to the heart of the problem with an immigration law. >> what is it? >> we have a broken immigration system. we don't have enough visas available to address the people who should be coming here. even along family-based immigration, we've heard quite enough about chain migration but really, in fact, we still have a number of people who have been waiting for years to come to the united states. 18 to 20 years to be reunited with families. that to me is broken. if the true value within america and within the united states is to protect families, to maintain the integrity of families, then we should do something about that. our immigration system should unite families the way that it
was supposed to be designed. >> speaking of families, caitlin dickerson we've spoken about your trip to the border to visit families to see the detention center and through all of this today i would be remiss not to point out that today that we have learned since december a fourth guatemalan child has died in u.s. custody after a border apprehension and listening to the president today did you hear anything from the president that addresses the conditions of these folks on the border who have been taken into custody? >> what this plan really doesn't address and what the president didn't address was asylum and we know the vast majority of people, thousands of people sitting on the border right now waiting to enter the united states are coming to seek asylum. the 2 1/2-year-old boy from guatemala was very likely in that same process and seems to have died from some form of pneumonia. what we learned is that asyl asylum-seekers are trying to
come and children require specific medical care that it could be really hard to diagnose them and they could be going from stable to unstable very quickly. only people with pediatric training could address that and the homeland security secretary has warned that we would see more deaths and now we have. and so i think it is probably confusing to people why the administration seems to be not facing head on this very real problem. >> did you want to add to that, rose? >> i think that is absolutely right. there is a crisis and the crisis is the way we are treating families and the way that we're treating children. it's unacceptable that children are dying under our jurisdiction. something must be addressed about that. >> dana, close us out. >> that is -- it is such an important point. because, yes, the president gave it a new proposal today, starting to -- the discussion in a new way. but he's doing that while this crisis -- and it is a crisis
going on is so white hot and it is not being solved and it needs presidential leadership to get republicans and democrats together to come up with a plan to stop what really is horrific -- with people smugglers and human traffickers bringing children acrossed -- and convincing families to bring them across the border and bringing them into the country and this country ill equipped with the process and laws on the books to deal with it and there are people willing to find a way in congress, but presidential leadership, all of them say, is needed and he didn't talk about that very much. he mentioned senator graham's bill but it will take a whole lot more than that. >> dana and kaitlan and rose, thank you so much on that today. also happening, the administration briefs the gang of eight on iran. this as those close to the president tell cnn president trump is irritated with top
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we're back and you're watching cnn and i'm brooke baldwin. the white house just released a financial disclosure statement for president trump. we still don't have his tax returns. but the document does reveal that he made at least $479 million in 2018. cristina alesci is our business correspondent. and so talk to me more about the number and where it came from. >> so it doesn't seem like there is a big change from last year. so we're not talking about any material impact. but here is the thing. you can't tell because this form is -- requires the filer, in this case president trump, to report in ranges. so the most common range that i
was seeing was 5 to $25 million and over 50 million and anything over 50 million you don't have to give the precise value for. so it is very hard to tell exactly how much money he made and how much he's valuing these things. so there are two columns. the income that the assets generation and then the value of the assets. now the value of the assets, as you and i both know is very arbitrary so you could put anything on it and it is very hard for the government to check that. that is why there has been such an incredible push for the release of his tax returns on the hill, is because those would get into more granular detail. now on this form, what we can tell is how some of his properties are doing. it gives us a gage. for example, his d.c. hotel, which is garnered a lot of controversy, is still generating quite a bit of cash for the president. $40 million. unchanged -- pretty much unchanged from the last
financial disclosure. mar-a-lago took a hit, $3 million. but again it is hard to tell exactly why and how that happened. >> and they are releasing it today because -- >> well because there was a deadline. so presidents have to file by may 15th, according to law. and in this case it went very quickly because the office of government ethics certified the report and then the white house quickly released it. but we're still going through it. we're still looking at liabilities, we're looking at new loans, there is one new loan in florida that we've identified and trying to find out why and how that happened. >> keep reading. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up here on cnn, confirmation of what may have -- many have speculates russians did, in fact, breach elections system in florida in 2016 and state lawmakers who know which two counties are sworn to secrecy. what they are revealing about the fbi's role here. departmentf veteran's affairs partnered with t-mobile for business, to help care for veterans everywhere.
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>> we can now confirm that a second county was breached and we find that more than two years after the 2016 election the public still doesn't know the name of the counties and what the government is doing to prevent it from happening again. i think that is unacceptable. because we received a classified briefing, we will be restricted in what we will be able it tell you. but rest assured we are working hard to continue to demand that the fbi reconsider their classification so we can provide more information to the public. >> evan perez is our senior justice correspondent in the briefing to the counties. what else did they say? >> reporter: one of the really interesting points that these lawmakers are making is that, look, you're undermining the faith that the voters have in the system and in the -- the confidence that they have in the system and the election results
really. if you don't provide the transparency and don't provide that information, they said that the fbi told them that they could not tell them more because it is classified. some of it is protection of sources of methods and the way in which the fbi determined this. some of this involves the nsa and some are classified tools but also they said that essentially the counties are victims and under the fbi rules they can't identify victims. now we did learn, brooke, that the fbi told the lawmakers that these counties in florida were told at the time, in 2016, there was an issue. two of them came back and said that they noticed suspicious activity. so the question is, how are we going to prevent this from happening in 2020. >> what are they saying about that? >> that is the thing. they say the russians were in there. they say they didn't change any vote tallies or tamper with the voting rolls. but what is to say that they
can't come back -- >> straexactly. >> to get back into the system and do something in 2020 and that is the big question everybody is raising including the lawmakers that are frustrated with the fbi at this point. >> understandably. they have to make sure they don't do that come 2020. >> it is always florida. >> always florida. evan perez, thank you very much. the president's twitter guru replaying the messages to the masses. skoefina is one of the completely trusted insiders still at the president's side from the new piece on his growing influence. quote, oftentimes i'll go through dan, trump said i'll talk it over and can he be a very good sounding board. a lot of common sense. he's got a good grasp. daniel wittman co-wrote this piece for politico. and on dan scavino, one of the
last four original trump insiders still standing. is it because of twitter. >> and people like hope hicks and the former body man have left the white house and we talk to more than two dozen people close to trump and also white house officials and they say that scavino possible reinforcement and that trump trusts no one else to manage his twitter feed is a big part of the reason why he has stayed. this is a guy who holds what would be a second tier job in any other white house and yet he makes the top white house salary of almost $180,000. and is with the president more than any other aide besides his family members. >> and how did trump and scavino first meet? >> he met the president when scavino was 16 years old and his golf caddy and later became his general manager of the trump golf club in westchester and
been by his side for a couple of decades. and he seems to have a very good grasp of trump's voice and he can mimic it very well. and he knows what stories are going to play well on twitter. but a lot of people say that he's kind of a yes-man and enabler of trump's tweets. they used to in the early part of the administration try to tamp down trump's tweets and they've completely given up. >> that is interesting. how much influence does dan scavino have in trump's tweets and how integral will his role be, we know about it in 2016, but going into 2020? >> so the president allowed to us that -- that scavino plays a role but trump likes to write his own tweets himself and he likes to see cable news cover it within 15 seconds and so if they're only presenting drafts of tweets and then scavino types them up, then for trump that doesn't actually give him the
thrill of making markets go up and down and so they have to kind of moderate trump's twitter presence because the moderate suburban women voters are turned off by the constant chaos in washington which is primarily derived from trump's tweets where he's undermining staff and republicans on capitol hill where they don't know where the white house stands. >> we'll see if we see less of that as we go on and closer to the election. >> i don't expect it. >> i don't know about that. daniel litman, thank you very much for that. coming up next, televankellist said the alabama law may not go far enough. details on the looming battle in the u.s. supreme court.
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♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ alabama governor kay ivey put pen to paper in signing the most restrictive abortion ban into law and makes no exceptions for rape or insist and could send a doctor to prison for 99 years andine ten years for attempting it. alabama new law sparked an unexpected response from televangelist pat robertson. >> i think alabama has gone too far. there is no exception for rape or incest. it is an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade but my humble view is that this
is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> now robertson has a point there. legal analysts say the alabama law is likely to be blocked immediately by lower courts because it directly violates supreme court precedent and getting to the supreme court is the calculatation where they hope to strike down roe v. wade, the law of the land since 1973. and let's go to joan bis cubic and how quickly might this, if it does, end up in the supreme court? >> not quickly at all. when pat robertson said this is too much, too fast, too far, it conflicts flatly with the law of the land. which says that government cannot put an undue burden on a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy before viability which is essentially 24 weeks or starts then. and so this law is such a bold
assault on roe. and no lower court judge could possibly allow it to go into effect without defying decades of supreme court precedent. so whatever -- challenges will begin immediately. and probably what will happen immediately is the court -- the lower court will block this law from taking any kind of effect. and then eventually it might be heard on the merits in lower courts. but because of how strongly it is worded it precludes abortion in just about every circumstance, the supreme court is likely not even to take it up. not take up this one. now down the road, brooke, the supreme court might take up a ban on abortion but not right now. and i think that is why someone like pat robertson fears a showdown over something that cannot go anywhere. i should add, though, there are more moderate measures or -- that is using the word a little bit loosely because abortion rights people think that even
less restrictive measures so infringe the right of a woman to end a pregnancy that he undermine the legal pinnings of roe but those more moderate ones are in the works moving up with greater chance for the justices to weigh in than on the law from alabama. >> what about -- the justices have been, as you know, so reluctant to take on cases involving abortion recently. do you think they have been waiting for a signature case like this? >> absolutely not. in fact, this is exactly the kind of case they do not want. and i'll tell you why. you're exactly right, brooke, they have not weighed in on abortion rights since 2016 when they heard a texas case involving regulation of physicians and clinics that perform abortions. thatti that -- that just gives you an example of the restrictions they've been grappling with.
access, religious requirements, informed consent and nothing like an outright ban. and the ones that they have postponed action on, the disputes up there from for example indiana and louisiana, the ones that they have just sort of waiting for them to act on, they don't go as far as this of course but i don't think the justices want to weigh in at all. remember, this is brett kavanaugh's first term and all eyes are on the supreme court precisely because he succeeded anthony kennedy who was the key fifth vote to keep abortion legal nationwide. >> got it. i hear your resounding no in answers to all of my questions. not now. joan, thank you very much. >> thanks, brooke into and missouri state republicans passed its own anti-abortion bill forbidding abortions suns a
heartbeat is detected. supporters call it one of the best in the country and believe most will be held up in court. the bill must pass the house before it hits the governor's desk. missouri joins a growing list of states passing anti-abortion legislation in hopes of overturning roe v. wade. still ahead, a major cultural moment in america starting tonight. two of the biggest tv shows of the decade coming to an end within days of each other. as a financial advisor, i tell my clients not to worry about changing their minds in retirement. you may have always imagined your dream car
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we can't forget the passions endure and so do the differences they continue to make and "cnn newsroom" anchor jim sciutto made han kadir and the war against terrorism he knows because he's been on both sides of it. >> reporter: assad was one step away from hopping on a flight to syria to fight. >> at that time i thought my dad was to get to him quickly. >> to die? >> yeah. >> reporter: he wanted to be a martyr. he wanted to be a suicide bomber. >> possibly would have ended my life and killed a lot of innocent people for what -- and i would have been -- my book would have been closed
basically. >> just this whirlpool of grievance. >> i met him more than ten years ago in london. cadir told us rich or poor, he had caited or not, extremism doesn't discriminate. he's a champion for chanterrori long before it happens and young muslims make the choice to become a terrorist. >> hey, jim. >> been a long time. >> and you, my friend. and you. >> do you have a sense of how many young people you helped during that time? >> we maid -- we made a huge amount of difference over the years and grew from a small organization to delivering into 11, 12, different parts of the country and abroad in pakistan. we helped people understand that they have a stake in society and in life to do things differently. >> i can't describe how much -- how grateful i am towards him. >> it took us a bit of time.
but it was just about having a conversation with this guy about what would your father have wanted to you do. did your father really want to you go on this journey or did he want you to take care of the affairs of the family, help your mom, help your brothers and sisters and be a decent law-abiding citizen and a god-fearing individual. >> and i'm working six days a week to provide for my family which i wouldn't do none of these things before. >> would he talk to you about going to syria and you listened. you trusted him. >> yeah. >> this is personal for you. >> of course it is. >> because you had your own experience. >> yeah. >> when he was a young man he left the u.k. to go to pakistan to jo-- to join al qaeda and wh he got there he saw the violence they were planning and saw it up close and personal and he decided that is not islam and didn't want any part of it. >> it was experience of taking things personally, about the way
that the war on trayvon martin w -- of terror and i wanted to help them. but i also wanted to prevent that. so i travel add broad to -- but then seeing the same thing happen to those children by members of al qaeda and using them as suicide bombers was something that i was not going to tolerate or take. >> does that give you credibility as your counseling young man to know that you've been there. >> absolutely. i talk to them and i've taken them through a journey without even helping them out and they say how the hell does he know this. and it is still relevant today when i talk to people who are thinking of going to syria or pakistan or going to iraq or pakistan. i say this is what you're feeling and what you're going through and i know this. >> and the loudest voices are the extremist. >> when he met him ten years ago his center was just buzzing with act activity and had hundreds of
kids comeing there over the weekend. >> it is a shame to see it empty. last time i was here it was buzzing. >> it is depressing when you come in. >> now today he's lost the funding to support from the british government and it became a political issue in the u.k. and he warns he's worried that a lot of the kids that he would have stopped going down this path that they don't have the support network any more. >> the charity is not getting easier. with the perception that isis is gone and al qaeda is gone. this is just fake -- >> it is not gone. >> they're not gone. they are re-emerging. >> tell me about i want out. >> this is the campaign that i'm pinning all of my hopes on to tell you the truth with a lot of young people and extremist networks and thinking about getting involved in terrorism or gang violence. and when you speak to them -- and you get to know them, they just say, i want out. just give me a chance. i want out. understand me. people can change. and we need to give them the opportunity to change. >> he is not deterred.
he's going to stick with it. he's told me repeatedly, i'm going to keep fighting. >> the day you start to look at these young people as if they were your own, that is when you will always step forward. i'm not going to let this go without the biggest fight of my life. >> so good, jim. so good. and to think you met him so many years ago in london and even before -- okay. so many questions. the first question just being did he talk to you about why he or some of the kids want to join these terror groups and what draws them? >> from the start, it is obviously a difficult topic because you see there was a kid there, ready to hop on a plane to go to syria -- >> just like that? >> can you have sympathy orem pathy and understand where he's coming from and he made a choice and granted some 20 odd years ago and for him he saw a u.s. invasion in a muslim country and this is often the motivator and they feel like they're defending their faith, right.
so hanif gets there and said these guys are worse than i imagine and blowing young kids up and turns around and comes back. so as i'm watching it i wonder how people at home are reacting, why should i have any empathy for that guy but i think -- and i hear this from folks in law enforcement, you have to approach them as human beings. >> he's a human. >> and not one, because some of them can be rescued, but, two, just for the country's interest in that you want to stop them before they turn. and he compared it to gang violence a lot. >> i heard that. >> troubled vulnerable kids and these are the ones they go after. >> how does he find the kids or how do they find him. >> this waltham is working class and not many jobs and kids from broken families. it is stories from here if you talk about young people going the crime path. >> instead they go to syria. >> and for them it is part
religious and part identity. it is like here is a unit that takes me in. i don't have a family. they're giving me something to do. a lot of folks in law enforcement talk about it this way as well with counter radicalization and so on and with respect to white nationalists, et cetera, how do pull them back and that is what he is trying to do. he worked with the u.k. government for ten years. the metropolitan police were giving him money and funding and working with him because they saw the benefit of it too. the sad fact is now the politics have kind of overshadowed it so they've taken away the funding and don't want the association any more and you wonder what happens to these kids. >> how many did he -- how many quickly kids he's helped. >> hundreds. who knows if they would have ended up going that way but he feels they do job counting -- counselling and tutor them and he acts as a surrogate father and you saw that with the reaction with assad and clearly there was a kid who lost his dad
and looks for that kind of guidance. >> jim sciutto, thank you so much. what an extraordinary story. and don't miss our special this saturday night at 8:00 eastern here on cnn. president trump just rolled out his plan for immigration a bit ago from the rose garden and already he is facing pushback from congress. the uphill battle ahead for the white house. the wifi that set the standard,
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get back on stage as quick as possible. the tour is set to resume june 21st. here's something to consider. the first time mick jagger pranced across a u.s. stage was june 5th, 1964. that is 55 years ago next month. mick jagger. get ready to say good-bye to some of the biggest tv shows ever to grace the small screen. >> and the phantom menace will be a timeless classic. >> tonight after 279 episodes, "the big bang theory" ends its 12-season run. it's the longest running multicamera sitcom in tv history. good-bye sheldon and penny. bazinga! >> the president of the united states! >> you're the president of the united states, man. what you say goes, literally. you're like a real-life mariah carey. >> for political junkies, "veep" brought its seven-year run to an
end this week. oh, how you made us laugh while loving to hate you. and then on sunday -- ♪ sunday night, we finally find out who is left to sit on the iron throne, if there will even be a throne left to sit on as "games of thrones" calls it quits after eight epic seasons. good-bye to all of those characters. so much to discuss. my producer is laughing at me because she knows i've never seen it. i'm sorry. you have to forgive me. my producer is walking away from me because she's in fits of giggles because every monday i
have to listen to her talk about "game of thrones" and i'm like, i haven't seen it. i'm the only person on the planet. let me get to "game of thrones" in just a second as i collect myself. seriously, with the ending of these shows, it's -- is it hyperbole to say it's like the end of a tv era in a sense? >> it's somewhat the end of an era. both of these tv shows represent the last vestiges of water cooler talk. especially with "game of thrones." those tv shows and pop culture moments in which a lot of people are engaging with. i know you say that you're the only person. there are a lot of people like you who haven't seen "game of thrones" but there are a lot of people who have seen it. in the current media infrastructure where it's so fractured, so few shows that a lot of people are watching. >> if i may, i am on the outside and i'm sad about it, but it's just like i'm going to let the run go and i'm going to be the lone person in the office in two years saying, hey, winter is
coming. on "big bang theory" which i have watched, tell me about that. >> so that show, like you mentioned, is one of the longest running multicam sitcoms. that represents an older raerks of multicamera sitcoms with a live studio audience and huge syndication. getting a lot of people to watch it. it doesn't generate the same kind of conversation and the workplace or online as something like "game of thrones." it's not really designed for that in the same way. but it does sort of represent that. and for the network itself, i mean, big bang theory was helped to revitalize cbs and its ratings. >> i love "friends" and "seinfeld." would you put this on that same level or not quite? >> not quite. even if you just look at the raw numbers, the ratings for the finale of "friends" was, i think, the fourth highest finale in history.
52 million people. i'd be shocked if "big bang theory" got 20 million. i don't put it quite at that. but it's of that in this era. >> okay. and lastly, winter is coming. it's about to come to an end. the last episode of "game of thrones" is this sunday. no spoilers for randy and everyone obsessed with this show. who do you think is going to be on the iron throne? >> i don't know who i think will be, but i think it will be sansa stark. >> and tell me why. >> because she's like, that's who it's going to be. i think she suffered a lot. she's grown a lot and she's proven. the others keep making mistakes and they keep doing things upsetting a lot of the people in the universe of game of thrones. >> okay. >> i appreciate you. randy, do you agree with her? she's throwing her hands up at me. she's over it.
"game of thrones." she and gazillions of people will be watching sunday night. thanks for being with me. having a little fun at the end of the show. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. does president trump think one offing his own advisers is going too far? "the lead" starts now. >> make deals, not war. the commander in chief himself tries to cool down the situation with iran, but are some inside the white house ready for war even if the president is not? 23 now for 2020. another democrat jumping into the presidential race as some new york city boobird comes out. can the mayor and former hillary clinton senate campaign manager go the distance? and if the trade war is driving you to drink, well, i've got some bad news for you. why everything from kentucky bourbon to bargain basement