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immigrants, legal immigrants. trump about to change a long standing rule saying an immigrant who uses a whole range of public services may no longer be welcome in america, services like medicaid. the libitarian cato institute says the move is changing what it means to come to america. tonight's the stop citizenship services official insists the new rule has nothing to do with the president's vast immigration crack down. >> why shouldn't the -- >> first of all, this is 140--year-old legal structure. this was the same question might have been asked when my italian immigrants were coming, immigrant ancestors were coming in all through that 140 years. >> of course, the facts are, they're changing the rule. and they're changing it
dramatically to include a whole lot more things like we said like medicaid. we don't knowhether his ancestors would have been allowed into the united states under the new rule. this does not seem to be about insuring immigrants entering are self-sfish. that's because the facts are not on trump's side. according to analysis, a very small minority rely on public defendants. 6.5% of medicaid participants are non-citizens. the same thing goes for food stamps. those numbers are small. i want to be very clear, those immigrants who are getting aid who are in the small percentages are not immigrants who are here illegally. people in the united states illegally are not eligible for things like medicaid and food stamps. these are people in the legal process to become citizens. the president of the united states is betting that his move will help him at the ballot box especially when he couples it with things like this.
>> raise your hand if your government would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants -- >> they're all the same. >> and they all raise their hand. president trump is betting he can scare voters trying to appeal to his base just like he did when he made this baseless claim. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're not sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> that claim resonated with some, and it did not matter that it also was not true. one study out of texas, for example, found native born residents were much more -- when it comes to immigration, facts have not been the driver for president trump.
pamela brown begins our coverage tonight. yet again, the president not letting the facts get in the way of what clearly he believes will work for some of his core voters. >> reporter: that's right. his base, ovlg, likes when the president is tough on immigration. at the same time, this is a long-anticipated rule change. the administration had proposed this ten months ago. it's all part of a pattern of the trump administration curbing legal immigration. so now the administration is imposing this new rule which appears to favor wealthy and more educated immigrants, because what it does is it makes it more difficult for immigrants who are using public benefits like medicaid, like food stamps, or those who might naed to use those benefits, more difficult to get legal status and the green cards that they would need. a top imglagz official said today as you pinted out that this is about making sure that immigrants who obtain legal
status are self-sufficient. those who would be excluded are the poor, are those who would need those benefits that i just pointed out. as i said, this latest move is part of a pattern. the administration previously has cracked down on asylum claims, making it harder for people to claim asylum, limiting the number of refugees to come to the united states. as you recall, jared kushner proposed a merit-based immigration system which would focus on skills of the workers trying to attract more educated workers to the united states. what the administration appears to be doing with this rule change is sending a strong message that not only is it cracking down on illegal immigration, it's also trying to limit legal immigration, as well. >> thank you very much. i want to go now to democratic congressman from new york. let's start with your story. you came here when you were 9. you were undocumented. you became a citizen in your 20s. you became the first formally
undocumented immigrant to -- your dad was working in a gas station. by the measure that we're in here, maybe you wouldn't be sitting here. >> so how can you explain -- could this new regulation prevent another child from doing what you did? >> it certainly sets out a chilling effect. i think this is part of trump's sort of like strategy. he raids, he sends out these policy statements that would send out a chilling effect that 800 plus page document that even today people haven't fully digested and gone through the details of it. but people will be afraid. even folks that want to do things the right way, he talks about illegal immigration versus legal immigration. guess what -- he's going after
legal immigration now. he has no boundaries on the attacks. he raids after massive shooting in el paso, texas. we saw little kids crying for their parents. he sets out this policy statement that will send out a chilling effect for people that may have taken foot stamps. you said that undocumented folks don't take food stamps. they're not eligible for them. >> if you are here illegally or undocumented, you are not getting them. i think a lot of people don't realize that. it's not as though they are somehow taking but not putting in. and so he sets out this statement. people now are very confused, very fraid. they don't know what's going to happen. they could be petitioning for their children back home to reunite the family legally as he promotes. yet he's sending out this chilly
effect that i think will scare a lot of people and certainly is not the way america should run. >> so i know when your family came, you had talked about you had some sort of bank account. it's been part of a hundred-year process. primarily dependent on government assistance was something they never wanted. explain why this is such a big change which even the cato institute indicates it is. >> because if a pregnant mom or a mom with a newborn has to go to get s.n.a.p. for her child because she may have fallen on hard times or because she has recently given birth, now all of a sudden that mom would say i got food stats for my newborn. am i eligible to be deported? and this is the kind of fear that the president is promoting. he's not leading with aspirations for the american
people. he's injecting fear into the american public. >> so he is putting words around it that many americans and aspiring americans are very used to and comfortable hearing. here he is. >> throughout our history, self-reliance has been a core principle in america. the virtues of perseverance, hard work, self-sufficiency laid the foundation of our nation and defined generations of immigrants seeking opportunity in the united states. >> so when they say somebody who is, again, in the legal process but who at some point receives medicaid or food stamps is not a person of perseverance or self-reliance -- >> the furthest from the truth. nobody works harder in america than immigrants whether undocumented or not. they take care of our children. they take care of our elderly.
they wash our dishes in the restaurants where we eat. they serve our food. they pick our crops. nobody works harder in america. they pay taxes. when they go into a store and buy a product, they pay a sales tax. they're contributing to america. noend wo nobody works harder than immigrants. >> so the trump campaign is making this a part of a broader thing. there is the rule and then the ad of all democrats on the stage, raise your hand if you would provide health care to undocumented immigrants. let me play this brief clip of what they're putting out there. >> raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. >> they're all the same. these democrats support giving illegal immigrants free health care at our expense, spending taxpayer dollar covering illegal immigrants. >> today's move is about legal,
not illegal. are you worried about images like that? >> this is going to be his campaign is going to be about immigration. he's going to drive wedges through the american public. it's really scapegoating immigrants. we've seen this before in american history. this is not new. this play book is not new. it's as old as america. and it will not work, because those immigrants, although many of them they cannot vote, they have relatives and neighbors and people they associate with that feel very fond about them and what they do and see them getting up at 6:00 in the morning -- >> even when it comes to undocumented, many don't realize they get a fake social security number so are paying medicaid and other taxes and getting nothing for it because they're working on a false social security number on the undocumented side. on that the associated press analysis, bh you hear 6.5% of people on medicaid are in the
immigration process, is that a number that bothers you? do you think that it could be sflaent higher? are you okay with that? or do you wish it were lower? >> it could be higher. i wish it were lower. this is families. sometimes they hit hard times. i cannot guarantee you that you will always be successful. you can be a rocket scientist and you can have a bad day. america has a safety net that allows for people to ensure themselves that if they hit that rocky road, america ilbe there for them. to characterize all immigrants -- sounds like he is calling immigrants lazy. they are the back bone of our economy. they do jobs that most americans do not want to do. this characterization is totally false. his scapegoating immigrants is political and partisan and he
will be defeated. >> i appreciate your time. outfront next, president trump trying to shake the racist label. >> he is an open racist. >> can he get rid of that? president trump is cutting his vacation going after people including his former top communications aid after he said this. >> are you calling for a change to the top of the republican ticket? well, i'm calling for it to be considered, yes. >> two republicans who have stood up to trump and the g.o.p. respond. and president trump reportedly conducting business by sending one foreign leader notes using his sharpy. epare fd with retirement planning and advice for what you need today and tomorrow. because when you're with fidelity, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice.
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tonight the president growing increasingly frustrated by people labelling him as a, quote, racist. one close adviser telling the washington post the president views the attacks as political. outfront april ryan, white house correspondent and david johnston, author of the making of donald trump. thanks to both. the president saying being called racist is a political attack.
>> no, no, no. this is black, white and brown. this is not about politics. this is about humanity. actually, his anger is a year and a half late. about a year and a half ago, january 2018, the weekend of dr. king's birthday celebration, i asked the president, mr. president, are you a racist? i asked him three times in the roosevelt room of the white house. he just walked out and let the question linger for about three days. now, he's angry thinking it's politics. it's about the fact that the president goes after people of color. this president talks about people of color in very personal and unsavory ways. this president has talked about both sides. this president continues with the rhetoric. and it's getting harder and harsher as he is running for president, running for re-election. this is not about politics.
this is about humanity in 2019. this is 2019. >> so david you have been following trump for decades, does he really believe this is politics or is he saying he believes it is politics because those who want to believe that, they then do? >> it's the latter. donald is simply trying to use this to his advantage as he does everything else. and calling him a racist, which is exactly what he is, that's just one more conspiracy against poor donald, the victim. >> obviously, april, one of the most infamous conspiracy theories is the birther one which is when some of this all began. >> yeah. this president began his political career, short-lived political career -- well, it's short so far, through calling
then-president barack obama illegitimate because allegedly in his mind, he was born in kenya where barack obama's father is from. he was born in hawaii which is one of the 50 states. so this president just likes to put things out there. it's like the old saying, you take a wet noodle and throw it at the wall to see if it sticks. that's literally what he's doing. this conspiracy theory against the clintons, horrible. we have seen this reality show before. and people who use critical thinking and people who just have common sense -- i'm not talking about book smarts will understand what he's doing. and if indeed they really do, it will show up at the polls in 2020. >> obviously, the clinton conspiracy theory is the president retweeting a conspiracy theory about jeffrey
epstein's death that suggested that president bill clinton was involved in his deg. what do you make of the president of the united states obviously jumping in and weighing in in that way, as unprecedented and strange? what do you make of that? should we be surprised by that? >> well, this is a magical happy land that donald lives in. the clintons apparently can reach into the trump administration-run jail to have somebody killed. donald has been relying on conspiracy theories his whole life. they are a way for him to explain things he doesn't understand because he is appallingly ignorant. donald has been found by a federal judge to engage in a conspiracy to cheat workers out of pay. i read about where somehow in
manhattan where donald trump needed to show less sewerage in the system, 25 million a day just disappeared from the records. the only person who benefitted from that was donald trump. this is somebody who engages in conspiracies. and everywhere he can't explain something or sees a political advantage, it's somebody else's conspiracy. >> to remind some people of -- there are tons of them. here are just a few starting with when he tried to link ted cruz's father to lee harvey oswald. >> exactly. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald being shot. >> donald, i need to come back to the topic we have been screaming about here. >> i just landed and i'm hearing it's a big topic. they found a pillow on his face. >> i watched when the world
trade center came tumbling down. and i watched in jersey city, new jersey when thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> needless to say, false, false and false. i mean, literally out there, talking about someone sticking a pillow on the face of a supreme court justice to murder him. that did not happen. what is his obsession with conspiracy theories and gossip? >> he's limited in his thinking. and he hears these things from other people because he doesn't have justification or knowledge or anything else. it's sad to say that about a sitting u.s. president. and for these republicans, it's not about the president. it's about the enablers. for the republicans who allow him to do this and don't say anything. they turn their head and hold their nose. it's terrible.
this country is now in a crisis state on so many levels, on so many issues. and when this president comes out -- this epstein situation is real, and it's serious. and for him to say this about the clintons is wrong. i mean, there are people who are pointing fingers at the president of the united states. you have to listen to fact. and for him, the president of the united states, where words matter to say something about a former u.s. president considered one of the greatest, and for his wife, former secretary of state, it's atrocious. what he did to ted cruz is wrong. it's insanity. >> thank you both very much. next, let's talk about that. president trump escalated the feud with anthony scsca anthony
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many calls to me. he just wanted to be on tv. this coming after scaramucci said this on cnn today. >> are you calling for a change at the top of the republican ticket? >> well, i'm calling for it to be considered, yes. >> you are no longer an active supporter of president trump in his reelection bid? >> yeah. i think that's pretty obvious from over the weekend. i mean, the guy's actually dissemabling a little bit and sounding more and more nonsensic nonsensical. >> two republican politicians who have stood up to their party and president trump. state senator and former congressman tom coleman from missouri. i appreciate both of you taking the time. i know you feel the need to speak out, but i know it's not easy to do it for a lot of reasons. let me start with you. what's your reaction to what anthony scaramucci just said.
>> amazing. i think he's recognize on. he's right on target. donald trump is a guy, is our divider in chief. i think people are finally starting to recognize the guy for who he is. >> congressman coleman, white house press secretary responded to scaramucci's comments today. she said in part this is all self-serving on his part. the media plays right into it. it's embarrassing to watch. they say that it is embarrassing to watch anthony scaramucci. what do you say? >> probably the best messenger for the message, but i certainly hope that he's correct. i don't see him right now. as far as the white house, whatever they say, you cannot believe. i mean, this is a president who has lied over 12,000 times. their credibility is pretty well gone. i'm surprised that it's even
newsworthy to listen to him. >> of course, you are put in a position where that's the press secretary for the united states. you can see the challenge of the situation. one thing anthony scaramucci says is that he has been inundated with support from republicans for taking on trump. you and i spoke about a week ago. you spoke out against the president's racism. you made this decision that you were no longer going to stay silent. then your own state g.o.p. party, they said get out. that was their response. what has happened since? >> well, they did ask me to leave the party. i'm not going to do that. absolutely no way. i'm going to stay in the party and use the platform that i've recently acquired to talk about politics in nebraska and the country. i think what's happened environmentally -- we had that occur today with the president's announcement -- is despicable. we need to sign back up for the
paris accord, environmental accord and move back into that in that area. because the environment needs our attention. >> there was also endangered species, all of that as you point out today. scaramucci said one other thing that i want to make sure our viewers here -- and it reflects what the senator just said. >> if he continues like this over the next three or four beaks, it is a responsibility of people in the republican party to say you know, we may need to put a relief pitcher in here. i'm a loyal republican. and i tried to be loyal to him. let's face it, i mean, he's gone off the rails. we just have to call it for what it is. >> congressman, you have been speaking out and calling it like it is. do you think that -- do you have any reason to believe -- the two of you are sitting here tonight. anyone else in the republican party is going to stand up right
now and say me, too. >> i think you have to look at the republican party in two ways. first of all, the elected officials especially in our federal government. they are enablers. they have been silent. and until their own reelections are in doubt, that's the way they're going to be. there is no profile encouraged in that senate. as far as the regular what i would call rank and file -- and he probably is although he is a high official in nebraska. i think a lot of people who are traditional republicans forget that when ronald reagan, for example, left the democratic party, he said i didn't leave the democratic party. the democratic party left me. and if a lot of the rank and file republicans sit down and thought about it, they'd say, the republican party has left me, too. because the republican party is branded by donald trump is whatever donald trump thinks, which is a dangerous thing to consider. i mean, where are the people who
always were for a balanced budget, trade, and a strong defense. all of these issues have been turned upside down. >> this is on a day where we find out the budget is up just over 30% in just over a year. that promise is incredibly broken. if you think debt matters in this country, you better be pretty darn concerned. many elected republicans, let's say they agree with you or are being quiet for whatever reason, why are they so afraid of trump at this point? why are they so afraid of him? >> i would argue that donald trump is a political shape shifter. he has no positions of himself. he is a transactional kind of president. i think we need to find somebody to run against him in the republican party that will give us a better choice because this guy is just not doing it for us.
>> they can say it's about the debt. they don't have to go there on morality or on race as you both have courageously done. they can sit right there in the debt lane and say we're done with the guy, but they don't. >> they are afraid of being primaried, first of all. and they're afraid of their shadows. as i said, there is no profile in courage. as a former republican, because i have left the republican party. it left me. i thought donald trump was unfit for president. and i said so on this network during the campaign of 2016. he's emotionally and mentally unfit. he has proven that every day of his presidency. he's lied 12,000 times. he's buddied up to putin. who knows what he's doing with north korea? it's chaos and the public has to address it. traditional republicans have to think is that my party and what i want to be identified with? >> i thank you both very much
for your time. thank you tonight. come anthony scaramucci will be ahead on cnn next hour talking to anderson. don't miss that. next, trump's trade war sparking serious concerns of a recession. one major bank now raising a red flag. just how dire is the risk. a mysterious deadly weapon testing a missile they say can reach anywhere on earth. is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. glucerna. everyday progress
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new tonight stocks plunge and sending the dow down nearly 400 points. we learned the budget deficit has surged up 27% just so far this fiscal year which means it is bigger than the entire deficit for last year. you know, look, nearly a trillion in the red. trump has added trillions of dollars in debt. we are now at a record level of borrowing, well over $20 trillion. are all signs flashing warning or not? >> yeah. for me they're flashing bright red, given the massive tax cuts that the president put in place last year and given the large increases in government spending, this deficit we're going to get this year is on
track for a trillion dollars is as small as it is going to be. the other thing to consider is the fact that these deficit and debt are happening at a time when the economy is as good as it gets. the unemployment rate is low. i think this is something to worry about. >> people don't realize, that's when things are good. then things get bad. you want a tax cut and unemployment benefits go up and all of those things mean more debt. the borrowing benchmark is coming close to the end of the month, more tariffs on chinese goods according to trump. that's the plan. that's things people buy like phones. how big of a hit could this be? >> it's sizable. i mean, if he follows through on his threats, the total amount of tariffs that people will pay in the coming year come in close to
$100 billion, about a half a percent of gdp, about half the size of the tax cut last year. it's sizable. with an economy starting to struggle, that could do a lot of damage. >> i know it's only one-eighth of the deficit. it does run up quickly. before we go, bank of america saying there is a one in three chance of a recession before election day. how dire is that risk to you? >> well, i think if the president follows through on his threats, i think the odds of a recession are better than even. we talked about the tariffs and the higher tax increase that would be. the real damage would come because of the uncertainty created by the tariffs. are the tariffs ten percent? 25%? this is going to do a lot of damage. i think recession risks are very high. >> thank you very much. next, breaking news.
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breaking news on russia's nuclear disaster. president trump saying a missile test caused the explosion which left mofive people dead. trump tweeting, we have similar more advanced technology. people worry about the air around the facility and far beyond. not good. what do you know about the tests? >> reporter: officials are telling us this missile is a missile with nuclear propulsion, if it all worked. if it ever worked this would allow the missile to fly extremely long distances for extended periods of time, and that could put the u.s. at risk.
what apparently happened last thursday there was a terrible explosion. not clear whether a full prototype missile exploded or components of it. there was an initial reading of radio activity in the atmosphere. the russians pulled back on that claim. earlier today we spoke to norwegian nuclear authorities and they said there had been a reading of nuclear missions in the atmosphere. so they will all be watching this area of northern russia for the coming days to see if there is further spread of radio activity. it is a mystery still, something dpr grabbing the attention of intelligence services from washington into europe. >> thank you very much. certainly so when you think about the significance of this. i want to go to democratic congressman from california. congressman, i appreciate your time. i know you received a briefing about the explosion. the word chernobyl has been used. president trump is tweeting. people are worried about the air
around the facility and far beyond. what can you tell us? >> thank you, erin for that question. let me first say that it's not surprising the russians are trying to build a new class of nuclear weapons. donald trump has been very over our intelligence experts for russia cyber attacks. with regards to this explosion, the russians admitted it was nuclear. all counts show it was a sky fall cruise missal that would be a nuclear power cruise missile. we stopped because we realize this isn't going to work and this explosion shows it likely wasn't correct. >> here is my question. t my question is we have similar more advanced technology and they have this problem, huge health risk like i say with a nuclear explosion but nonetheless, they are going ahead with something.
when he says we have way more advanced technology, understanding their test did fail. is it true or are we also pursuing something? >> i have no idea what the president is talking about. to the best of my knowledge, the united states is not developing or looking at developing a nuclear powered cruise missile. when you have a cruise missile powered by nuclear material, it spews out radio active waste. that's not something the u.s. will develop and i frankly don't understand what president is saying. >> so how big of a risk or threat is this technology if they were to develop it and perfect it. as you say it is unlimited in range and of course, in power, if you're able to get past they clearly wouldn't have the moral qualms you're raising but if they were able to get past the explosive issue. >> if the russians could perfect this technology, it would increase the risk the united states somewhat, which is why i think the united states and russia should get back into their inf treaty, which is an immediate range nuclear treaty,
and it was not a good idea for the united states to pull out of that. we need to deescalate tensions and look again at stopping nuclear proliferation. >> so, you know n rece, no reces you mentioned you think putin is embolden emboldened. the president when it comes to north korea downplayed missile tests that are in violation of u.n. treaties and tests that could be used, which could kill tens of thousands of u.s. troops in south korea but to him becau it. >> the missile tests have been short range. no ballistic missile tests. these are short-range missiles. very standard. they are short range missiles and many people have those missiles. >> so what's he going to say to putin? many people want long-range unlimited range nukes and i'm fine with that or is this relevant to what putin is doing? >> so again, i don't really understand what the president is talking about. i know with respect to north
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>> very beautiful letter from kim jong-un. >> he's been sending bute s of his own to justin trudeau. beautiful if you love sharpies. trump took a may 2017 hmagazine covered that called trudeau the anti trump and said hope it's not true in silver sharpie. someone on twitter created this mockup. the president and his sharpies inspired some sharp criticism online. maybe he's inhaling too many sharpie fumes. what? no crayons? critics suggested president trump is jealous of trudeau and ent even the way ivanka looked at him. the canada ambassador thought it was a prank according to axio.
the embassy called the white house, the white house said it was real. trump has a habit of writing with sharpies and folks who have gotten mail from him. >> he writes mostly in magic marker. >> trudeau sent trump a letter of his own after the president described disagreeing with trudeau. >> no, no, you have a trade surplus. i said mr. prime minister, we do not. >> trudeau's letter included a web page from the u.s. trade representative's office with the u.s. goods and services trade surplus. surplus not deficit for that year circled. next to it trudeau drew a smiley face. trump has his sharpies. >> i said to myself, this writes much better. >> trudeau takes the edge off trump's sharpie with a smiley. jeanne moos, cnn new york. >> just say there is one thing he's right about a sharpie, but only a sharp sharpie if you know
what i'm saying. blunt sharpie is terrible. not this kind, either. too pointy. watch any time, ""ac 360"" starts right now. good evening. president trump tonight acco according to the washington post after repeatingly telling crowds of voters how not racist he is and how much he's done for minorities across the country including taking credit for lowering the unemployment rate for black and ashace asian americans. trump has a problem, people think he's racist and this angers the president. according to the washington post quote president trump considers himself a branding wizard but vexed by a crisis of his own how to shed the label of racist. majority of reasons as we point out the second anniversary, white