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good morning, i'm victor blackwell in for kate bolduan. it's good to be w. right now we are are keeping a e eye on a dangerous storm that could hit puerto rico and southern florida. the national hurricane center has just issued an update on the path of tropical storm dorian. puerto rico's governor declaring a state of emergency. people are stocking up on food and water. you'll remember the island is on edge, still struggling to remember from the devastation of hurricane maria less than two years ago. let get to the new forecast. chad myers is live in the forecast center.
what is the latest information? >> the latest information is that the hurricane hunter aircraft is in it right now. looking for the center. and they can't find the center, because it has moved away from where it was, because the islands tore up that center in the past two or three hours. i'm going to show you the radar in a second because it's going to get interesting. it's going to get interesting to the fact that this storm is going to make a run at puerto rico at 70 miles an hour, not quite a hurricane. but the hurricane hunters and the hurricane staff at the hurricane center saying can't figure out why the models aren't doing any type of intense fi indication. because it should be intensifying. yes, there's dry air. but 60, 65, 70, and it could be right over the ponce area or somewhere in the ballpark of punta cana over the next 36 hours. the storm is getting more colorful, which means it's getting larger. which means that overnight or sometime it will get stronger.
but where does it go after this? this is wednesday. that's tomorrow night. where does it go after that is the real question. is the true big story, is the true concern that when we get this storm into 90-degree water in the bahamas will it rapidly intensify? we saw that so often last year with those storms rapidly intensifying. you go 25 miles per hour difference in 24 hours. and if we see this at 70 and if that rapidly intensifies on the way to florida, we have a real problem on the east coast. we'll start with puerto rico. we'll start with dominican republic. that's where we know it's going. but when it goes over the dr and into turks and caicos and into the bahamas, that's when it has a potential for u.s. landfall. all the models are taking it there. we will keep an eye on it here. we're watching the storm.
it's going to change day by day, hour by hour. the models may change as well. >> we know you're watching for us, chad. thank you so much. >> you bet. turning now to the 2020 race, former vice president is rolling out a new ad this morning in the all-important state of iowa. this time he's getting personal. he recounts his family history, including his late son beau's battle with brain cancer and he defend obamacare from his political rivals who want to get rid of the current health care system. watch. >> my son, beau, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given only months to live. i can't fathom what would have happened if the insurance companies had said for the last six months of his life, you're on your own. the fact of the matter is, health care is personal to me. >> joining me now is cnn political reporter arlette saenz. so arlette, what is the campaign saying about this new ad and
anything about why they're releasing it now? >> reporter: well, victor, this now ad from joe biden shows that they're trying to lay out the stakes on health care in very personal terms. you hear the former vice president talk about the loss of his wife and young daughter in the car accident that injured his two young sons, as well as beau's battle with brain cancer. biden even tweeting a short while ago that this ad was difficult for him, not easy to record. so here biden is really trying to stress the importance of health care. the biden campaign placing a lot of emphasis on health care in recent months. you hear the former vice president in this ad talk about how he wants to continue to bolster up obamacare, which he worked on with the affordable care act in the administration. and also try to contrast against those in the democratic field, as well as president trump when it comes to the issue of health care. now, this is biden's second tv ad that's running in iowa. focusing, honing in there on
health care. his first tv ad really focused on the issue of electability and it also highlighted some polls where biden was leading president trump in head-to-head matchups. but we're now seeing this new poll released yesterday from monmouth university that showed that there's no clear leader right now in the democratic 2020 race. you had bernie sanders and elizabeth warren both at 20% and then joe biden at 19%. but this poll could be an outlier. if you take a look at the polling that was released last week by cnn, biden was maintaining the lead there 29%, followed by bernie sanders and elizabeth warren at 15 and 14%. so the monmouth poll is just one poll. we're going to have to watch going forward if there is a trend. but the biden campaign does point to polls like the cnn poll showing that is what they believe the current state of the race to be. >> arlette saenz for us in washington. thank you. joining me now, molly ball, national political correspondent
for "time" and july base, washington bureau chief for the associated press. both cnn political analysts. molly, i'm going to start with you. this one-minute ad, partly biographical, but also going to a message on health care. while there was in 2018 that fur roar among the base against president trump, it looks like the biden campaign is going for what worked for democrats in congress, health care as the first issue ad in iowa. >> well, it's a health care ad but it's a deeply personal ad and you think you do see joe biden really into his biography and the sense that voters know him and like him. he's someone who wears his heart on his sleeve. that's something that people like about him. so while it is about health care, this isn't just sort of wonky policy-driven pitch. that's not what joe biden is selling. he's selling joe biden the human being, someone you know and like, someone who is
compassionate, someone in in his heart was offended by trump and what happened in charlottesville. i think this is really about a personal appeal and it is also about the electability, about positioning him as a moderate, about signaling to voters that he's the candidate who is not looking for a political revolution, who is not looking to disrupt the whole system, but who wants to take the successes of the obama administration, as democratic voters see them, and protect them. >> julie, that was one of the things after watching it, i admit i watched it two or three times to kind of get the texture of it. if democrats are prioritizing beating president trump in 2020 and that's electability is the top issue and former vice president biden is doing so well there, why not push in that direction primarily instead of pairing with the biography health care? >> i think that the biden campaign thinks that they have to do more than just say, hey, look at these polls that show
that i'm best positioned to beat donald trump. that was a major part of the first ad that arlette mentioned that the biden campaign put out. i think that they are feeling some pressure to go beyond that. to say what would you do, what is your forward-looking vision for the country. not just i want to defeat donald trump next november and that's the end of it. what would you do if you won, what would you do in office? and part of biden's challenge is to both continue to hammer this electability argument, but also give people something that is aspirational, that gives them a real sense that they would be voting for something, not just against donald trump. >> well, speaking against donald trump, there's one line that stood out to me here. he says when i see the president try to tear it down, speaking of obamacare, and others propose to replace it and start over, that is personal to me. now, there is this new monmouth poll, molly, that found that 58% of democrats want the party to nominate someone who is in favor of moik moik medicare for all.
he's highlighting the specifics that if it comes at the expense of popular health care, it's far less popular. if he making that case effectively out on the trail? >> i think that remains to be seen. i think among insiders in the democratic establishment, including a lot of supporters of biden's campaign, there is a nervousness. there is a sense that he's under pressure to expand his support. and i think this is also really about elizabeth warren and her trajectory upwards, even though that monmouth poll does look like an outlier and most polling does show biden pretty far out ahead. he's been pretty steady in his support, so has bernie sanders, and you see elizabeth warren slowly and steadily building upwards and her campaign has been all about policy, all about plans, all about other candidates under pressure to
sort of match that, defend their plans as julie was saying, have a vision that is more specific than just supposedly being able to win or opposing the president. so i think you're seeing all the candidates respond to that and i think that's a strength that warren has, as she has sort of set the terms of this race going into this period. >> let's talk more about the monmouth poll, because we'll have to see potentially another two subsequent polls to know if this is an indicator of an early trend or if it is indeed an outlier. but it is consistent so some levels with other polls we've seen that as molly mentioned, the climb of elizabeth warren, but also senator harris staying in the single digits. pete buttigieg, his polling is not matching his fundraising. so we're seeing some consistency here. >> yeah, i wouldn't make too much out of one poll at this stanl of the race. we will likely see a lot of volatility in the next couple of
months as most voters who probably haven't been paying to this as closely as we have, start tuning in and we start getting perhaps down to one night of debates as opposed to two nights. i do think one thing that is clear is that there are probably five candidates who form a top tier, but that's some of the people in that top tier, kamala harris, pete buttigieg, are lagging. they do seem like they are fairly significantly behind people like joe biden and warren and sanders. they have time to make that up, for sure, but that time will start to go away. they need to have some stand-out debate moments, they need to find ways to keep up enthusiasm between those debates and maintain some of the energy. >> which is really why we want to see all the candidates on one debate stage together. we want to see everyone mix it up all at once. molly, julie, thank you both. >> thank you. >> a judge in oklahoma orders johnson & johnson to pay for its
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for the first time a pharmaceutical company is being held accountable for its role in the opioid crisis. now, in this landmark ruling an oklahoma judge ordered johnson & johnson to pay $572 million for fuelling the state's opioid epidemic. the company plans to appeal the ruling. this morning johnson & johnson's attorney still defending their case and pushing blame on the doctors and away from the drugmakers. >> we have sympathy for those who suffer from substance abuse, but johnson & johnson did not cause the opioid abuse crisis. the way in which the company manufactured these medications and market them to doctors was extremely responsible. there are warnings on these medications, fda approved warnings and it is up to the doctor, with their patients, to make decisions about who is
appropriate for these medications. >> now, the oklahoma trial sets the stage for dozens of other opioid cases. in this fall there will be a federal trial in ohio, bringing nearly two dozen lawsuits into one and going after the opioid makers. here with me is one of the lawyers working on the lawsuit. paul han lee. thanks for coming in. you just heard the reaction from the attorneys for johnson & johnson. what is your reaction? >> we hear that defense quite a lot and as the court in oklahoma found t defense does not stand up in the face of evidence concerning false marketing of these materials. the fact that the drug is approved by the fda does not give the manufacturers or distributors a license to make false statements concerning the characteristics of the drug. and that's precisely what the judge in oklahoma found. >> so what does this ruling mean for you as you prepare for this
trial in october? >> well, this is a very positive ruling for all of the communities that we represent. more than 2,000 are in litigation, as you know. and this was important because for the first time, a court with a full body of evidence before it looked at both sides of the argument and concluded, a, that there is an opioid epidemic, b, that it's a public nuisance, and c, that in this case johnson & johnson was the cause of the nuisance. >> the public nuisance element of this, some have called it novel, because when you think of public nuisance you think of a run-down house for loud narks. there was a similar case that was thrown out in north dakota. but these are state cases. is this a fair precedent? you don't have a precedent on the federal level? >> there are some cases from different federal courts around the nation that have applied the
public nuisance doctrine outside of the context you described, which is the land owner context. but certainly this is a landmark case and an extremely important case, and the law adapts to changes in society. and so where as 100 years ago perhaps public nuisance was limited to the land owner cases, we believe the court, as the court did yesterday, will adapt and apply this appropriately to this circumstance of opioid abuse. >> let's talk about the award. $572 million. the state asked for $17.5 billion. and we were talking during the break that you said that the state did not make the case for or to support the 30 years of abatement and that's what the judge found here, but also that the state can come back year after year and ask for more. >> well, that certainly is the implication of the very end of the judge's opinion, because he
finds $572 million as temporary abatement number, but then he further holds that he's retaining power, retaining jurisdiction over the case, which implies, strongly implies, that the state of oklahoma could come back next year and the year after and the year after that with appropriate admissible evidence concerning what the costs are and johnson & johnson in principle would be on the hook for those costs. >> so $572 million, just 1/30th of that number for 30 years. that's how they got to that specific number. you've been working in this a arena na for a very long time, specifically specifically opioids. do you expect that this ruling, this award will change drug companies' behavior, their marketing? >> yes. absolutely, because the judge here sent a very strong message that the wrongdoing was
principally the marketing, the false marketing, the creation of false science around these drugs. and there's no company in america that wants to take a $572 million hit. >> we saw the stock price close-up yesterday. the investors thought that it would be worse. >> well, that happened, we believe, because there was a delay between when the judge announced the award and the release of the opinion. the market reacted to the judge, but when one looks at the opinion as we were discussing earlier, it's $572 million just for year one. >> paul han lee, good to have you. >> thank you. coming up, the president of iran says he is open to meeting with president trump, but there's one precondition and it's a big one. we'll talk about that after the break. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this?
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will they or won't they? that's the question that world leaders want answered as president trump and iranian president rue han oh talk about a meeting. just yesterday president row hany said if meeting with someone will solve his country's problems, he will not hesitate to do it. joining me now white house reporter sarah westwood.
this whiplash continues. who will and won't meet over iran's nuclear program. what are you hearing now? >> the white house has not jest responded to the latest comments from rouhani. but this is a starkly different tone from what we heard from the g7 summit over the weekend where we see some kind of thawing of the ice. french president macron has been pushing to broker talks between the u.s. and iran on some kind of new nuclear agreement. he invited zarif to the g7 in pursuit of the talks. something that raised eyebrows. but president trump said yesterday standing next to macron that there was, quote, a really good chance of him sitting down with rouhani at some point, even going so far as to say he would be open to meeting in the near future. take a listen. >> if the circumstances were correct, were right, i would certainly agree to that. >> reporter: now, skt rouhani
saying that he wouldn't agree to a sit-down until the sanctions are lifted. there's no indication that the u.s. is anywhere close to doing that. in fact, the trump administration has been imposing more and more sanctions on iran as tensions in the persian gulf have risen. iran drowned an american drone. tension rs eye. but iran was one of several areas of strain between president trump and his allies at the g7 summit over the weekend. there did appear to be some lingering resentment among world leaders about trump's decision to withdraw from the 2015 nuclear deal. >> certainly was. sarah westwood for us at the white house. meanwhile, the white house is trying to work out a deal to get back to the negotiating table with china. during the g7 the president said the u.s. and chinese negotiators will be heading back into talks over the ongoing trade war. within days president trump went from falling china's president an enemy to calling him a great leader.
and as he explained, that's just the way he works. >> you're talking about global economic instability. >> where it comes from is the back and forth and changing of statements from yourself so that -- >> sorry, it's the way i negotiate. >> so my question is, is that a strategy? is it a strategy to call president xi an enemy one day and then -- >> it's the way i negotiate. it's done very well for me over the years and it's doing even better for the country. >> joining me how to discuss how that a preach is working out for u.s. businesses. the ceo of the american footwear and apparel association. good to talk to you again. >> good to talk to you, victor. we're about five days out from the beginning of retail ugly and i appreciate that the president has a wonderful negotiating strategy and we hope he had that phone call that nobody seems to know about. >> i want to ask you about that phone call. let me start with the strategy
that the president says it works for me. how does it work for the businesses you represent? >> we operate on strategic plans and we plan six to nine months in advance, so all this back and forth is really a one-way sign that's telling us get out of china and it's very hard because our second choice to china would be vietnam and they have limited capacity, plus the president has threatened vietnam. so then maybe we would go to india, but the president has threatened india with tariffs. so we then decide, okay, we'll tough it out in china, but how do we do that when on september 1, china is our largest supplier of apparel and on september 1 we're going to get hit with 15% tariff. retailers are having a pretty tough go here in america. >> let me ask you about the 15%. the president continues to say
that consumers here in the u.s., u.s. businesses are not paying the tariffs. we know that not to be true. but if any of this is being absorbed, how long can the businesses in the apparel industry absorb that? when is it going to be exponentially worse, if that's coming? >> you know, we have this whole thing that -- we have a shopping season that starts around thanksgiving and that's when we make our money, between thanksgiving and christmas. and if you take money out of our margin, we don't make money. and when we don't make money -- remember, the consumer is like two-thirds of the economy, 10% of the jobs in america are in retail. the retailers don't make money. that big "r" word is rooming out there and we don't want to even modestly predict a recession. but what's going to happen, prices go up, sales go down, jobs get lost, where are people going to go? what are people going to do?
and the fact that the president is doing this and, you know, people are saying we have to sacrifice, i believe lindsay graham, senator graham over the weekend was talking about the sacrifice. >> take a little bit of pain. >> a little pain and walmart shoppers are going to feel the pain. man, that's america, you know. we don't need to feel the pain. we want to do the right thing for america, but this is no way about. there was a bit of a news conference that did not get a lot of attention. i want you to listen to what the president said and i want your reaction to it. >> this has to be a deal that's better for us. and if it's not better, let's not do business together. i don't want to do business. forget about tariffs for a second. we're taking in tremendous amounts of money. forget that. i don't want to do business. >> i don't want to do business. what are you hearing when the president says if the deal isn't
better for us, no business? >> well, that reference is reference to decoupling the united states from china. and if we decouple, this isn't going to bode well for the economy. it's going to, frankly, be a disaster, because both economies have been relying on each other. in america we have like 329 million people and in china they have 1.4 billion people. so we're going to tell them what to do? we want to have this trade deal, we want to be able to sell to china and we want china to be a little better to us in terms of our intellectual property. but the means and the ends aren't matching here. >> quickly, let me ask you, do you care about this back and forth when the president says we've got to call overnight from china, they want to go back to the table and then china says we have no confirmation of a call? do you care about those specific details? >> we don't care about the
specific details. we just want them to talk. we think that, quite frankly, the president sits there sometimes and he's got on one shoulder the dow man and on the other shoulder the tariff man. and they've both got to work together. when the dow man starts going down, the tariff man goes up. we need them to be working in sync to get this to have relevance for america. this is not working out. >> you certainly paint a picture there. good to talk to you again. >> good to talk to you. thank you. >> still ahead, jeffrey epstein may be gone, but some of his accusers are finally having their day in court. an emotional day to be sure. we are live at the courthouse in new york next. who's dog is this?
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right now at least a dozen accusers of alleged sex trafficker jeffrey epstein are in court. the judge is giving them an opportunity to tb heard after the defendant has found dead for an apparent suicide. shimon is live from outside the courtroom. what is happening there now? >> reporter: the victims actually have begun to speak, victor. by our last count, there probably are about 30 victims inside the courtroom. some of them will not speak, but certainly many more in the courtroom than will speak. we've already heard from one victim, courtney wild. she has been central in this
case. she's been outspoken and out there talking to the miami herald back in 2018. she was also one of the victims who sued the department of justice over the first deal, the secret deal which she called a secret deal that she gave to jeffrey epstein. here's some of what she said, fighting back tears, she said that she feels very angry and sad and that she says justice has never been served in this case. and she called epstein a coward, of course jeffrey epstein killed himself inside the federal jail here where he was being held, and so now a lot of these victims, the judge giving them the opportunity, the opportunity that the judge says she did not have previously, to come into court and give their side of the story. tell the public, tell prosecutors in open court what happened to them, and of course that is what is going on behind us in court. we expect several more victims to speak. some of them will not identify
themselves and instead be referred to as jane doe number one or jane doe number two. so there will be new victims we've never heard of before who are going to be appearing here in court to tell their side of what happened to them. >> still so important as there are so many questions about how jeffrey epstein was able to commit suicide. shimon prokupecz, thank you. now to another hearing, actress lori laughlin and her husband are back in court for the college admissions schedule. they're accused of paying $500,000 to a fake charity to get their daughter into college, as well as lying about here being on the crew team. we're outside the boston courtroom there. scott, what is today's hearing all about? >> reporter: hey victor. so laughlin and her husband, fashion insider giannulli are expected in three hours to sort
out some procedural issues, including a conflict of interest for their lawyers. they're both being tried together for fraud and money laundering charges but they share many of the same attorneys, which could become a problem if there ever were to become a conflict between the two of them as the case goes on. one of the law firms has recently represented the university of california in a completely separate case, so usc in this case is the victim of this alleged fraud. so the law firm has vowed to put up a so-called ethical wall between the lawyers involved in the respective cases to make sure that there are no issues. the judge will then ask both laughlin and giannulli if they understand the risks of this arrangement and whether they want to proceed. now, the last time laughlin was here in boston and at court, she was waving to her fans and all smiles. in fact, the day before, she was even posing for pictures and signing ought graphs with fans,
which is a bit perplexing considering the seriousness of the charges against her. each of the charges carries a potential maximum sentence of up to 20 years in prison. the pair are accused of paying half a million dollars to usc to get their daughters. the government alleges that neither of them had ever participated in rowing at all. it has come with professional costs to laughlin. she no longer has a show on netflix or the hallmark channel and brands have distanced themselves from her daughter, who has some 1.4 million followers on instagram. both laughlin and giannulli pleaded not guilty, even though many other parents involved in the cheating scandal, the largest ever uncovered in u.s. history, have pleaded guilty, including felicity huffman. she's supposed to be sentenced in that case next month. >> we'll see what happens in court and outside as the
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it is deadline day for deutsche bank and capital one to disclose whether they have president trump's tax returns. an appeals court in new york has given the banks until 4:00 this afternoon to answer the question. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider is with us now. jessica, they have four hours now. any indication if there will be some movement from the banks? >> not just yet, victor. so far those two major banks are refusing to reveal if they even have the president's tax returns. they're up against a 4:00 p.m. deadline where they must file a letter with the court finally disclosing if they even possess the tax returns that have become a political hot topic. it's a seemingly simple fact that both capital one and deutsche bank refused to tell
that panel of judges during the oral arguments on friday. the banks cited contractual obligations when they declined to tell the judges if they had the president's tax returns in their possession. well, that argument didn't seem to fly well with the three-judge panel. that was with the second circuit court of appeals in new york. all the judges seemed very frustrated on friday and set this process in motion for these letters from these banks to be filed by 4:00 p.m. today. really this procedural fight is unfolding amid this larger fight that we're seeing over the president's tax returns on multiple fronts. congressional democrats really in a broad array are making this huge play to get the president's tax returns and financial documents. they're saying that they could serve a legislative purpose. they could help democrats strengthen existing banking laws, for example, and arguing that they aren't just doing this for purely political purposes, something that trump's attorneys are saying they're doing. so a new york district court judge has already ruled in the
democrats' favor. the president's lawyers have taken this issue to the appellate level. so we'll see what dcapital one and deutsche bank have to say later today. that filing deadline is at 4:00 p.m. we could see whether they reveal whether they have the president's tax returns or it's still possible that they could try to dodge answering that question yet again. what we know is that the letter to the court, it will be filed under seal so it's even questionable at this point whether the public will get that clearance as to whether these two banks even have the president's tax returns. victor. >> lots of options there. jessica schneider, thank you. a personal feud holding up a massive and urgent firefight in the amazon. brazil's president is demanding an apology after the g-7 pledged money to the fight to get the fires out in the amazon. more after the break. ths a bettice. al. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid and the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve.
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the g-7 pledged $20 million in aid to help fight the fires raging in the amazon, but the brazilian president says he will not accept the money until he gets an apology. this morning bolsonaro told reporters that macron has to take back insults before he responds to the aid offer. with me now near the site of some of the worst fires in brazil is cnn senior international correspondent nick paton walsh. nick, what is going on here
between bolsonaro and macron? >> well, all of this obviously is a personal spat and is a massive distraction from the urgency of the fires here. let me wind you back. jair bolsonaro says i'll accept the aid potentially but french president macron has to roll back the comments calling me a liar. this started when seeing how the fires were breaking out, he said he was lying about the environment. then we found a meme on the internet which is very offensive to the french president's wife. the french president then says how offensive that is and hopes that brazil gets a president who's up for the job and jair bolsonaro is deeply offended and has an apology contingent of accepting the $20 million the seven richest countries scraped together to help this massive environmental crisis. it is extraordinary, victor, that the first 90 seconds of you and me talking about this is how
the two men don't want to get along. it is obviously incumbent on the brazilian president to deal with the fires inside his own country regardless of his environmental policy. the fires are raging incredibly hard. but we've just heard from donald trump, the u.s. president, saying how he has dealings with jair bolsonaro, thinks he's doing a great job here and doing what he can to fight the fires. quite what metrics we're looking at right now in terms of how well the firefight is going is unclear, though. victor. >> nick, tell us more about the state of the fires now. >> reporter: incredibly hard frankly to give you real serious numbers about how the fight is going. where i've been standing here near one of the air bases, we saw about five what looked like propeller aircraft from the military taking off. we see cargo planes taking off quite a lot. we've been
told 43,000 troops are on their way to fight the fires. we're here with the fire brigades behind us. they handle all fires around the town here, be it a domestic fire
or a forest fire. they're waiting for the call here and saying in fact often they get those calls right about noon when people tending to set the fires behind the deforestation. a huge job for brazil. the international help they're not seeming to accept that readily until this personal spat is sorted out. >> thank you for joining us. "inside politics" with phil mattingly starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm phil mattingly, john king is off today. joe biden puts out a very personal 2020 campaign ad invoking two tragic events to explain why he is running on health care. plus, president trump back in washington after the g-7 summit, a trip he's calling, quote, a great ccess. iran and china may quibble with that. and if you want to know just how slow it is on capitol hill right now during the recess, well, take it away, c-span.