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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. there's a lot going on tonight. we're going to catch you up on five, big headlines. a judge granting access to materials after a bombshell week in the investigation. the deputy national security at the white house is asking a federal judge to rule on whether he has to testify before house investigators. speaking of that investigation, the president, today, playing the victim, comparing impeachment to how african-americans are treated by the criminal justice system. that while he was speaking at a historically black college. >> we'll never let up on our efforts to ensure that our
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justice system is fair for every, single american. i have my own experience. you see what's going on with the witch hunt. >> only ten students were invited to hear this speech. they didn't all attend. i'm going to talk to a deputy assistant to the president. and a new report is out about changing demographics ahead of the next election. and mitch landrieu fightilag a new program to fight division. his plan to unite the south. i want to start with a busy week in the impeachment inquiry. alex marquardt tells us that the president is facing more pressure than ever. alex? >> it has been a rollercoaster of a week. there's no sign of this process slowing down. we're getting a much better sense of the pressure that president trump was under to
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release that aid money to ukraine. and how he finally relented. this, as democrats leading the inquiry are zeroing in on more witnesses to fill in the gaps in this ukraine saga. new details, tonight, at the center of the house impeachment inquiry and the president's efforts to hold up hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid for ukraine. multiple sources telling krn krkr cnn, it was finally september 11th, when the president relented. it was trigger by a phone call from rob portman, that urged the president to release the aid because of a fiscal deadline that was looming. this is after john bolton was pushed out and two days after ambassador to the european union, told the president that his actions amounted to a quid pro quo. >> there was no quid pro quo.
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>> reporter: john bolton may soon have his say. lawyers with the former security adviser are in talks with the committees leading the inquiry about bolten being deposed. a former top deputy of bolten's, said that bolten called rudy giuliani, a hand grenade that is going to blow everybody up. >> rudy is a great gentleman. he's a great crime fighter. >> reporter: as the inquiry heats up, president trump is ramping up his deflections, saying that this is a deep state conspiracy to remove him from office at all costs. the white house defense that there was no quid pro quo, undercut this week, after damning testimony from the top diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor. taylor wrote that he became increasingly concerned that our relationship was being undermined by a regular,
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informal channel of u.s. poli policymaking. he said that president trump held up hundreds of millions of dollars in aid until ukraine agreed to launch investigations into the bidens and the 2016 elections. taylor testifying that president trump did insist in a president zelensky go to the microphone and saying he was opening up investigations of biden and 2016 election interference. president trump is slamming taylor as a political enemy. and saying his secretary of state, mike pompeo, made a mistake appointing taylor. >> mike pompeo. everybody makes mistakes. he's a never-trumper. his lawyers -- the head of the never-trumpers. >> reporter: republicans standing by the president are arguing that taylor's testimony was merely a second-hand account. >> hearsay. not hearsay in the fact that it was passed on. it wasn't a direct conversation. >> reporter: the republicans are
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blasting the process that the house is undertaking behind closed doors, even though 50 republican members across the three committees are deposing the witnesses. >> we're going to go in there and figure out what's going on. >> reporter: house republicans held their own symbolic protest this week, two dozen members pushing their way into this secure room, where the house committee meets to discuss classified information. >> this is not fair. >> reporter: this while rudy giuliani is searching for his own defense lawyer, as prosecutors in new york investigate his business dealings in ukraine and try town ravel giuliani's connection to these two men, two of giuliani's associates who were charged with campaign finance-related charges. next week, all eyes will be on the testimony of tim morrison, the national security official who will be the first person who was on that infamous july 21st phone call, to testify.
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and we learned about three more subpoenas issued to trump administration officials. they're from the state department and the office of management and budget. you can be sure, don, they will not be the last. >> alex, thoouank you so much. i appreciate that. where do we start? what a crazy week, guys. republicans are trying to stop the bleeding. democrats are trying to figure out what the article of impeachment look like. i've been seeing you, in footage of what's happening in d.c. what's the most important thing we learned this week? >> the deep state trustruck bacn a big way. bill taylor is an unimpeachable witness, even though the white house and the republicans are trying to suggest he is some radical. he was a vietnam veteran, apointed by my old boss, george w. bush, republican, brought back into service, by mike pompeo, the president's
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secretary of state. they're trying to impeach the witness because they don't have the facts. >> i thought he was a never-trumper? >> that's what the president said today. now, he's a never-trumper, which i don't think anybody has suggested, other than the president. and the republicans are saying -- they don't have the facts, so they're attacking the process. and by the way, if this was out in the open, it would have been much worse for the president this week. >> that's fair. last night, you said, careful what you wish for because -- think about it. think about the testimony. if we had heard all of that on television, do you think that's a mistake from democrats? or is it smart they're doing this? >> no. they should have a process here. this is how things work. they have testimony within a secure location to be candid, so, it's not about the grandstanding. in case there's classifying material, they can redact it after the fact. afterwards, once they've gathered the facts, there will be open hearings. the republicans are claiming, of course, that democrats are dragging their feet.
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in fact, if republicans want the process to speed up, they can encourage the white house to stop stonewalling. that would speed things along faster. >> that's my question to you. "the washington post" is reporting that the president is frustrated with his inability to block witnesses. i mean, this stonewall strategy, you think it's falling apart? >> no question it has. and as i said, there's been a full stream, now, of people who have been asked by the white house, not to testify, who are testifying. and they've all defied -- all the people from the state department have defied the white house. so, the story's bad and getting worse. you know, the worst witness, yet, may yet to come, who is john bolton, who is like a great, white shark circling the white house. he's waiting to bite back. >> talk more about that. >> i know john bolton from the bush white house. he's a lifetime republican. but the toughest bureaucratic
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infighter there is. he knows everything about everything, including this president. and he was not treated well on his way out. i guarantee there's going to be john bolton payback. >> it's worth pointing out that one of the white house -- the first white house aide who has agreed to defy instructions not to cooperate, morrison, who is testifying, apparently, next week, is a bolten guy. and so, this will be an interesting barometer to see what he says. he may corroborate the more damning material that taylor has alleged at this point. he's known to be a loyal party guy. i don't want to elevate his testimony too much. >> bolton? >> morrison. boltton brought him in.
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>> i was listening with one ear and reading with another. the deputy, former deputy national security adviser, following a lawsuit, asking a federal judge to rule on whether he is obligated or obliged, to testify on monday. his lawyer also represents bolton. what does that mean for possible testimony from bolton himself and overall what do you think of this? >> it would be useful to have legal cover, especially because the white house is trying to block people from coming forward and documents being released. if they're people that work in the white house and otherwise. it could be useful to have a precedent. hey, this is b.s. and i imagine that he might be soliciting this kind of judicial ruling precisely for that outcome. yeah. you can imagine that bolton --
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again, is testing the waters here, or at least watching closely what will happen. >> you called him a what? >> big white shark. >> it is a circus. >> they're going to need a bigger boat. >> listen. in is a clip from -- speaking of a circus, the upcoming episode of "the circus," where steve bannan was asked about bill taylor's testimony. >> i was in the skiff. i had the pleasure of being with brother schiff. i know how they roll down there. i would like to have taylor at a committee desk, both sides asking questions and national tv cameras. that's all i'm asking for. you're cherry-picking certain elements and tying together a vast conspiracy. >> so, he was like the rest of the republicans, he didn't have the facts so went after the process. more tellingly, and you'll see it in the show sunday night, bannan is often candid and will
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tell you the truth at surprising times. he told the truth when he was asked if the attacks from the white house were legit, and he said, that dog won't hunt because he thinks that taylor is an unimpeachable witness. >> i can't wait to see "the circus" on sunday night. >> showtime, 8:00 eastern. >> thank you, both. watch erin burnett going to host a special, "the white house in crisis," also on sunday night, at 8:00 eastern. you can watch both of them, right? >> kick it. >> thank you. speaking at a historically black college, this president comparing the experience of african-americ african-americans facing unfair treatment in the justice system, to his experience. i'm going to speak to a white house staffer, next. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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historically black benedict college. he was supposed to speak on reform initiative, but instead he complained about the impeachment inquiry and compared it to african-americans as they face the justice system. >> as we make tremendous strides to offer greater economic strides for our citizens. we will never let up until our justice system is fair for every, single american. and i have my own experience. you know that. you see what's going on with the witch hunt. a terrible thing going on in our country. but in america, you're innocent until proven guilty. joining me now is jauron smith. he's deputy assistant to the president. i want to talk to you about the administration's initiative. we have to talk about the news of the day. the president's message is what's garnering attention right now. him comparing the impeachment
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experience to blacks and the criminal justice system. can you see why people find that insulting? >> no. at the end of the day, we've had an unfair criminal justice system. and the president's seeing the effects of it on him personally. there's some truth to that. >> the question is, though, why inject politics into it? there's people that spent years in prison, and decades in prison. their lives were taken away from him. %-p. it's an inquiry. you can't see that being insensitive and insulting? >> i don't think it's insulting that the president freed 3,000 people from prison. 3,000 people that wouldn't have been free without the president's leadership. it's him understanding the true problem with america that we have a broken justice system. >> you understand that the
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president is a free man. he's not in prison. >> it starts when people make accusations about things that aren't true. and too many times in our society, we have black men that it accuses of doing things that haven't done. empathy is the key. that's what led to us having his leadership on criminal justice reform. he's used his leadership to bring the country together, to, you know, revitalize and free some people from prison. >> all right. i understand that. i didn't want to go here. so, the president says innocent until proven guilty. but he once called for the death penalty during the central park five case, full-page ads. he never apologized and never admitted he was wrong. do you see how his understanding of the justice system may be flawed? >> i can only talk about what the president is today. right now, he led our country to
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the biggest criminal justice reform we've had in decades. we now have a prison system that focuses on everyone's individual background, socioeconomic and gives them the skills they need for less recidivism risk. >> many of the students didn't want the president there. there were protests. 200 people were invited. ten of them students, seven of them came. the protesters were from all over, including out of state. the students were told to stay in dorms while the president was on campus. why did you pack the audience with supporters? isn't it to make the case with anybody. >> the president was invited. they were in charge to invite the guest. they told us to bring some people that benefitted from the criminal justice reform act.
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that's what we did. there was a huge percentage of the audience, people invited by "2020" and the university invited students. >> what about policing, and court fines, taking on the bail bond industry, ending cash bail. what is the trump administration doing on those fronts, ja'ron? >> we have to continue to work with congress. if congress makes some movements in those areas, the president is open to looking into them. right now, our focus is on second chance hiring. we have to create an equal system that's empowering people. opportunity zones are important. many of the people ended up in criminal justice system because of a lack of opportunity. we're focusing on providing ladders for people around the country. >> it's almost a year when the act was passed.
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it applies to federal prisons. state prisons hold a vast majority of prisoners in this country. is the administration working on that? >> yes. we're looking to show some leadership. the last time they did criminal justice reform, 30 years ago, and created mandatory minimums under the clinton administration, the states started to do mandatory minimums. now, we're seeing states doing the opposite. they're working on smart on crime policies. we're continuing to engage with the state leaders and doing things that will make communities safer and fair for all americans. >> speaking of being fair because there is some concerns. i know that the -- that the director of the bureau of prisons told lawmakers at a hearing last week, that the agency was fine-tuning the system. part of the first accept act includes the use of an algorithm to determine what programs would be best for rehabilitating inmates. critics say it reinforces bias
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by taking education level and past arrest records into the system. do you see that as a problem? >> no. one of the biggest reforms we worked on was the dynamic scoring for the risk needs assessment system. the system is going to be finalized -- the first part of it. in the past, we haven't done a lot of great work on evidence-based research wheenn comes to recidivism reduction. we are making sure we do something that is fair and accounts for socioeconomic factors. at the end of the day, the system has been unfair. and the point of the first step back was to create a fair system. >> two things. the president comparing the impeachment inquiry to lynching. what do you think about that, as a black member of the administration? >> well, what i would say is, i've gotten to know the president closely over the last three years. i was one of his first hires.
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coming from a single parent household in inner city cleveland, ohio, he's allowed me to share my experience. and he ran on fighting for the forgotten americans. and he's allowed us to usher in policies to help hsbcus, return our citizens and deal with economic empowerment of inner cities. i think we need to focus on the action and the work that the president is doing and leave the rhetoric alone. >> all right. not apply to the president, as well? does that apply to all of us? >> that applies to everyone. some of the statements have been made in the past that refer to the witch hunt. >> that doesn't apply to the president comparing it to a lynching? >> we have to focus on the policy. that's the real news, don.
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people need to pay attention to what the president is doing. that's going to empower the least in our country. >> you're welcome back anytime. >> thank you, don. many blessings. and we have more on the president's speech at benedict college. is his road to re-election getting narrower? how this might change the 2020 race, next. billions of mouths. billions of problems. morning breath? garlic breath? stinky breath? there's a therabreath for you. therabreath fresh breath oral rinse instantly fights all types of bad breath and works for 24 hours.
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hello, one and all. >> greetings. >> you guys watch the last segment? >> we did. >> okay. i appreciate ja'ron, coming on to talk policy. he is defending the president for comparing his experience to black people in the justice system. >> he could have done without that part of it. ja'ron has done excellent work there. and i know his heart is there to do the work that he's doing and to help people, especially in the black community. >> it's a good initiative. >> it is. the criminal justice reform is one of the few good things he's done in this administration. having kim kardashian helps you do it and move ray long. and ja'ron doing those things. that got his attention.
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the opportunity zones and the money for hbcus, ja'ron is doing that single-handedly. but when it comes to being honest about the president and his behavior, some of those things look like there are token initiatives to say, what look what i've done for black folks, and he insults us, using terms like lynching, going after elijah cummings in baltimore, making comments about the squad, and never apologizing for the central park five. the litany of things that are flatout ray scist, he's never apologized for. impeachment is not anything compared to what these people go through in the criminal justice system. it's not always about him. >> and for some of the dim-witted folks out there, who may be watching the critics, she said token initialtives. she was not calling --
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>> yeah. people freak out about it. i'm talking about the initiatives. >> ron, president trump said this today about his support from black people. watch this. >> i'm hearing more and more african-americans are supporting our republican policy agenda because they see the results we're delivering. >> he offers no evidence for that support, ron. his latest approval rating with black voters is 10%. last month, 9% of black voters approve of the president's handling of race relations. the needle is not moving. >> the economy is the argument he will want to make. and there may be a slice of an audience, among black men in particular, there could be a gender gap between black men and black women. his standing with afric african-american women is as low as you can go. among men, there may be a piece. there's no real movement toward him.
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and in fact, this is the challenge that he faces, the groups that he is relying on the most, you know, the noncollege white voters, particularly the men, where he has the most support. they are shrinking. they have been shrinking for a long time. he's not able to reverse the long-term pattern. and the groups that face the most resistance, are different minority groups and college-educated whites. they are growing in the electorate and all of that comes to a head again in 2020. >> tonight, kamala harris is pulling out of the forum that trump atended today. she can't attend in good faith because trump received an award. do you think this is fair? what do you think? >> i think it's more than that. i think the backdrop of trump is more troubling, and people following her lead. i want to highlight something that's bigger than this.
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the president of benedict college has the been an amazing hbcu president. she's done work in leading this college in the future. this event was an event that was supposed to be a bipartisan event. whatever it boiled down to be. and i think that there are many people who have concerns, valid concerns, about the direction this country's going in and whether or not president trump, going on that stage with the backdrop of an hbcu or not. and i know that kamala harris is saying we can do maore. hbcus have to be -- historically black colleges and universities have to continue to be the place where african-americans can have issues that directly affect our communities discussed and talked about. and so, i'm happy that still tomorrow, at benedict, you will have the discussions and ideas,
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however, the donald trump drama won't be part of it. i want to mention something before we move on. many of us know ja'ron. and any ounce of success that comes out of this white house -- and i use ounce, just a small ounce of success, is because of ja'ron. and many will want to label him this or that. one of the things we have to do in our politics is to take out the personal, visceral attacks and deal with things as they come. i want ja'ron to know, that i wouldn't do this. the twitterverse is going to go crazy. >> we have to have respect for our brothers and sisters on the other side trying to do good work. >> it's difficult in a white house like this.
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the problem comes in, when you feel you need to defend the indefensible, which was a couple of the things he said. it wasn't defensible. and those are the things that hurt the work he's doing. when you see things that are wrong, don't defend those. in this administration, you can't be honest about what you see in front of your face. he risks losing his job. that would be a loss for everyone. he has done good work. >> let ron -- >> i'm sorry. >> go ahead, bakari. i was going to say, in addition to the racial -- >> ron, please. continue. >> in addition to the racial coding and signaling and the president's use of terms like lynching or comparing himself to african-american defendants in the criminal justice system, there's a broader argument he's always making. he is the victim. and by extension, that his voters are the victims. they are the victims of elites
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that disdain them. immigrants are coming to take their jobs or rob them. and the annual poll by the american religion research institute came out last week. and two-thirds of trump supporters say discrimination against whites is as big of a problem in the country is discrimination against minorities. that's an important cornerstone of his argument. you're facing unfairness in our society. >> trump's biggest base projected to climb by more than 2%. while nonwhite voters are going to increase. how will that transfer to votes coming up? >> look, just changing the electorate alone, without changing preference or turnout, will probably mean another vote in the popular vote for democrats. it could tilt michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin back to the democrats. there's no guarantee. but it makes trump's path more
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narrow because he is, as i said, relying on bigger margins from groups that are shrinking and facing bigger resistance from groups that are growing. >> i got to run. i got to go. i got to run, bakari. we'll be right back. with tough food, your dentures may slip and fall. fixodent ultra-max hold gives you the strongest hold ever to lock your dentures. so now you can eat tough food without worry. fixodent and forget it.
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in an initiative launching today, aims to do something about the division in america. and uniting the south through social and racial justice. it's called e plurbus unum.
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it's led by mitch landrieu. we're going to talk about this initiative in a moment. i want to get your reaction to president trump's remarks at a criminal justice forum, trying to showcase what his administration has done to help minorities. yet, a lot of people think he's the most divisive voice in the country on race. what do you think? there's no question that he's thrown a lot of smoke and fire on the issues of race. he talked about muslims are terrorists and countries in a certain way. and the false equivalency in charlottesville. one of the things he's done is moved us into a bad space of judging people based on race, creed, color, sexual orientation, et cetera, et cetera. you know it. although i am happy he participated in criminal justice reform, that issue being ink u
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incubated for many, many years. when elijah cummings was laid to rest, you saw eloquent eulogies from president clinton and president obama. maybe some of those folks in the audience didn't always agree with congressman cummings, they knew he was a patriot and tried to bring people together. that's the ethos of out of many we are woone. >> let's listen to president obama. >> there's nothing weak about kindness and compassion. there's nothing weak about looking out for others. there's nothing -- there's nothing weak about being
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honorable and treating others with respect. >> is that the message that people in this country need to hear right now? >> you hear the president talk about great virtue and what strength really is. we're at a confusing time, where they are calling people traitors that are patriots, under the constitution are dissenting. most pareimportantly, he is sho us that you can be hard on the problem and soft on the people. because you don't agree with people, you don't have to judge them by raise, creed, color, who you love and agree with. we're supposed to do things in this country based on merit. e pluribus unum is to call the country back into purpose. >> you spent a year, going to communities all through the south, speaking to hundreds of people in 13 states.
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what struck you the most talking to those people? >> we took time to get on the ground and listened to what people had to say. we went to 13 different states. 20 different communities. we did interviews with people, over 800 people, that were 30 minutes and 45 minutes long. listening to what they wanted and what they needed, what hurt them and what gave them joy. there were a couple takeaways that were interesting. the white folks that participated in this exercise, as a general rule, did not have a grip on what institutional racism was. >> you polled 1,800 people in the report. you asked if the legacy of slavery, jim crow and s segregati segregation, has made it harder for people to get ahead in america. 80% of african-americans said yes. while 62% of whites said no.
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did that surprise you? >> that did. and whites see racism is aggression against another color. it's baked into institutions that have not given them the benefit of the doubt, not allowed them to build generational wealth that treats them very, very differently. criminal justice reform is one of the pieces of those. but african-americans and whites see the problem differently. that's a negative consequence. one of the good things -- everybody, african-americans, whites and latinos, believe that diversity is a strength, not a weakness. that surprised me because of the assault that is being in front right now in the united states. people say diversity is not a strength. it's a weakness. >> you found that cultural and
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sporting events was opportunities for people to connect in the south. lsu football and the saints, as well. it's call eed divided by design. and it's mayor mitch landrieu's undertaken. it's fantastic. thank you, mayor. really appreciate it. >> thank you, don. i appreciate the time. we'll be right back. managing type 2 diabetes? audrey's on it. eating right and staying active? on it! audrey thinks she's doing all she can to manage her type 2 diabetes and heart disease, but is her treatment doing enough to lower her heart risk?
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