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good morning. and welcome to your "new day." monday, october 28th. 8:00 in the east. breaking news, wildfires raging out of control in southern california. look at these aerials right now. this fire is burning right near the 405 freeway and the museum in brentwood. >> thousands of residents have been ordered to evacuate from their homes including nba star lebron james. california's governor has declared a statewide emergency as the situation in northern california worsens as well. joining us now on the phone is cnn's omar jimenez live in los angeles with more. what's the situation around you, omar? auto. >> yeah, john and alisyn, we're making our way to the scene right now. this is a brush be fire that broke out in the overnight hours that really just ballooned very, very quickly. we heard from the los angeles fire department literally a few minutes ago who told us about 33 homes are now being evacuated in that area alone. as you mentioned it's along the
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405 freeway near the getty center here in los angeles and one of the reasons this is so concerning is that, one, southern california had already been dealing with another wildfire, the cook fire, burning over the course of the past few days, but also that there's not any -- nature isn't doing these fires any favors as far as getting put out. we saw 70 to 80-mile-per-hour winds over the course of yesterday in this area which as you know can spread these embers and start fires miles away from where they were burning in the first place and we're expecting some of the winds to continue into today and then around midway through this, another uptick in high winds as well. as far as that goes, that's one thing that is very concerning for officials as you see a fire like this break out so quickly and powerful just in a matter of minutes really in the overnight hours here. >> okay. >> omar, thank you very much for that report.
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please stay on this. this is from a little while. you can sees the helicopter dumping water on that fire which is raging out of control in the hills near the getty museum which is a lovely museum. getty put out a statement saying the fire is moving away from the museum itself, let's hope, but obviously we're watching this closely. to our other top story the death of isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi, we have new video from overnight reportedly showing the facility where al baghdadi died being destroyed by air strikes from u.s. forces. president trump says the terror leader blew himself up in a tunnel inside the compound as u.s. forces closed in. this is also new video we received overnight ground video showing a burnt out car there, remnants about al baghdadi's life, clothing, pots, pans, children's toys. democrats and republicans praising the raid with some democrats criticizing the president for giving the russians the notice while democratic congressional leaders were left in the dark. >> it's a win for trump and the
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trump administration at a time when, as you know, he is understand this impeachment inquiry. that inquiry is accelerating with six witnesses schedule to testify this week. cnn has just learned that today's witness, charles kupperman, a deputy to john bolton, will not appear today, as he had been scheduled to because he's awaiting instructions from a federal judge. joining us is a former homeland security adviser for president obama and cnn senior national security analyst, director nsa director with us. lisa, your thoughts when you heard about al baghdadi was killed. >> this is a win for u.s. national security and a significant blow to isis and this is a real testament to the long arm of american justice and to the dedication, professionalism and unrelenting focus of counterterrorism professionals for the last many years. you know, this is just a terrific, terrific thing for u.s. national security.
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but we should be clear that the death of baghdadi does not mean the death of the brutal ideology he really was the leader of. we have high sis in more than a -- isis in more than a dozen affiliates around the world and thaefr pivoted over the last several years to focusing on now that they've had their territory taken away, their digital caliphate is still unfortunately alive and well and they are pursuing and trying to project power inspiring others to violence. >> they committed so many horrific acts directly in some cases in the middle east and also here in the united states, andy, something you dealt with every days for years and years which was isis inspired attacks. i'm wondering what you think the impact of his death will be on that latter, the isis inspired attacks? >> that's always our biggest concern on the day after any major operation and certainly this was a major operation, a huge victory for counterterrorism forces here in the united states and across the
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globe. i can tell you that today, starting yesterday, and continuing today, and for the next several days, fbi agents, surveillance specialists, analysts are watching closely every one of the targets they have in this country they believe fall into that gap, folks who are inspired by isis, who follow their statements and their propaganda on-line, and any one of those people might feel that now is their time to step up, to strike out, to stage an operation, in response to the death of al baghdadi. it is a sensitive time in the fbi right now and people are putting in at lot of work. >> just great police work. when you read the reporting of how long this has been in the works. he's a needle in a haystack and he was a moving target and they had to -- just all of the intel they gathered from the ground, all the surveillance they did and the people they talked to without giving up their cover, all of that stuff it's still coming out even as we speak and
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this, you know, i couldn't help but think yesterday as the president was celebrating the victory, how den ne graded the intel services have been under this administration. for the past three years the president has insulted them and they have kept their nose to the grind stone and continued to look for al baghdadi, et cetera. >> this is a testament to the professionalism, the dedication, the focus of the men and women of the u.s. national security community, in particular the intelligence community. they have kept their head down. they have focused. they have not been distracted by, you know, the politics and everything swirling around them and the attacks on them. that's what we need. that's what we need. >> when you're being insulted how can you not be distracted? doesn't it take a toll on your morale somehow? >> well, i think it probably does take a toll at some level, but these are folks who are professionals who are trained and this operation, as you noted, has been in the works in some sense for many, many years. when i was still the president's
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counterterrorism adviser in the obama administration, we were very focused on gathering as much intelligence and understanding as much as we could about his movements. i think the critical point here is to have this type of operation, you need to be working with partners on the ground. you need to be able to develop that exquisite type of intelligence that allows our special forces to go in there and conduct the operation that they did to develop those relationships with those partners, the brave kurdish fighters who have been the pointy end of the spear for us against isis for the last many years. it really -- this operation exposes the importance of those relationships and those partnerships and unfortunately we've abandoned our partners there. >> andy, i kind of feel like you might have something to add on both fronts that lisa and alisyn were talking about there, the intelligence and criminal justice being under attack from the president and the professionalism and the latter point the idea of the importance of our counter intelligence resources around the world some
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people feel are being diminished now. >> first point, it is distracting when you're being attacked publicly and personally. lisa is right. the professional in this community develop the capacity to compartmentalize, they have to do that with the work they do and they have to be able to focus intently on sensitive and critical intelligence every day and leave that at work when the rare instances are able to go home and enjoy time with their families. it is that same sort of compartmentalization that allows them to stay focused on the objective and not get caught up in the politics and thank god for that. they do a terrific job. as for our work with partners, you know, i have bad news for anybody who thinks otherwise, we cannot do this work alone. the safety and security of the u.s. citizens depends on our government, our intelligence community, the white house's ability to maintain effective partnerships around the globe. if we learned anything from yesterday's successful mission,
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it is how important it is to have an effective, small tactical intelligence driven, counterterrorism force in the parts of the world where terrorists reside. >> we know the president is mad at the democrats in congress, everyone knows that. do you think that it is strange, as nancy pelosi was saying, that the kremlin was alerted about this operation before house leadership? >> absolutely. it's a real departure from normal practice in sensitive operations like these. when i was serving in the white house as the president's counterterrorism adviser around sensitive operations, very close in time, i regularly contacted both democrats and republican members of congress to give them a head's up, brief them in detail about the operation as it was ongoing, immediately after, as soon as our people were out of harm's way and had a regular conversation with both democrats and republican members of congress, particularly on the
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intelligence committees, because that is their job. their job is to do oversight. they are entitled by law to be kept fully and currently informed. that's the actual requirement about intelligence activities. this certainly qualified as a significant intelligence activity. >> historically speaking, when the gang of eight is informed about things like this, this is not the type of stuff that leaks. they keep this secret. >> that's correct. that was our experience. they were very tightly controlled group. >> right. andy, lisa, thank you. breaking news, a probe, we just learned, has been advised by his lawyer not to appear this morning. the latest in the legal battle to speak to these witnesses next. t-mobile's newest signal reaches farther than ever before... with more engineers, more towers, more coverage. it's a network that gives you... with coverage from big cities, to small towns.
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six administration officials were set to testify this week in the impeachment inquiry but cnn just learned moments ago that john bolton's deputy charles kupperman has been advised by his attorney not to appear today
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as he awaits instructions from a trol judge on whether he should comply with a house subpoena to testify. here political analyst john after lava lon, bianna gol la dre ga and chief legal analyst jeffy toobin. >> i win. >> you win. kupperman is not coming today. >> correct. >> to testify. his lawyers want to wait for a judge. frankly i think we all thought we were going to see many more fights like this from the witnesses who have been called to testify before congress how does it resolve? >> it's sort of a clever move, i think by kupperman's legal team, which is i'm not fighting it, i'm just asking for a judicial resolution of the conflicting advice that i'm getting. now, the real answer, it's probably going to delay his testimony perhaps into oblivion because the courts don't work very fast.
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he will have, if he wins or loses, there will be a written appeal to the d.c. circuit, all of which could easily eat up a month and the democrats want to be done in a month. >> charles kupperman is not a household name, however he is seen as a test case for john bolton because he was john bolton's adviser and people were watching this one closely because if he doesn't have to go or he has some legal maneuvering he doesn't have to go, maybe john bolton will do the same thing. >> they share a lawyer. >> they share a lawyer. he is a test case that john bolton was his attorney and this is a situation where, a, you see how unprecedented everything really is, right, where there's not a definitive answer as to whether he can testify or not. you're right, it's going to now be kicked to the courts and by time for the administration which they want, they want to deflect away from this investigation, and democrats want to speed things along. i think that if he wanted to really testify he probably could have. >> yeah. >> but yes, all eyes are now on john bolton and whether we will
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hear from him, he teased you'll hear from me when i'm ready, but i think he's going to be watching what happens with kupperman first. he is a test case. >> look, i mean this is also sort of a legal hail mary. this is not a tough call. you got subpoenaed, go forward, take the fifth you take the fifth. this is hoping for like a legal equivalent of a doctor's note to say it's an out here. >> it's working in case in terms of denial and delay and that has been a core white house strategy from the beginning. also i think it's a function of the polarization of the courts. maybe they will get lucky and the judge they draw and can see it to a different circuit. part of the downstream effect of the polarization of our courts. >> as a legal matter, i think kupperman has to testify. i mean i think the courts will ultimately decide he has to testify, as judge harrell found last friday or thursday, it's hard to keep track of this stuff, that this is a legitimate inquiry, given that it's a legitimate inquiry, you have to answer a subpoena, end of story.
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>> the republican will play smack of farce. >> smack of farce. >> almost hard to say as quid pro quo. >> the question, the bigger question here, is bolton worth the legal fight? if kupperman is the test case for bollen to and the idea this is really a figure of how john bolton will testify is bolton worth the legal fight and time? >> democrats don't necessarily know. any democrat that thinks that bolton's testimony will help their case, really doesn't know bolton's history that well. it really could be a factor where he could help the president or he could hurt the president. that's the big unknown with what his testimony will be. we shouldn't lose sight of what we know, that is damming testimony from multiple officials, including the ambassador to ukraine. republicans will say well, he didn't have direct knowledge, he wasn't in conversation with the president. given what we read in those 15
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pages from bill taylor, that, by far, i incriminating piece of evidence that democrats have and that's what they will be runni bolton wasn't on the call. >> kupperman was. >> and that's why some ways he's more high value and then the x . absolutely. because look, if you look at how the evidence has come in for, you know, for the pro-impeachment forces, everything has pointed towards a quid pro quo here. why would bolton's testimony, assuming he told the truth and i don't think there would be any reason he wouldn't, would be consistent with that. and the -- what makes bolton so significant, unlike bill taylor, bolton saw the president all the time and would be able to talk about the president's comments, statements, about the whole ukraine situation. >> also seems like bolton has a lot to say. >> yeah. >> i think -- i'm not sure that he would say he doesn't want to
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come. >> i mean, i think it would be distasteful if, here this is major national inquiry, he won't cooperate, but he saves -- >> you can predict the president's tweet, he had a vendetta for the president, the most overrated national security adviser ever. >> ever. >> so that will be a complicated situation, but i think you can definitely see where the republicans, their -- >> while we were sleeping this weekend or resting or watching football, gordon sondland's lawyer told "the wall street journal," that sondland believed that there was a quid pro quo. that seems like a big deal. >> that is objectively a big deal. and it shows how much the administration's denials on quid pro quo and sondland carry water for the president in the text messaging to taylor really is just, you know, sometimes we cannot ignore the obvious, no matter how much partisan spin is forced upon us. >> not to mention more and more we're learning about zelensky knowing this was a quid pro quo, going back to just weeks after he won an election. >> i don't know, does it take a genius to figure out that there
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is something being asked of you? speaking of geniuses, let's -- let's talk about what happened on saturday and that is -- >> where you're going with this. >> john kelly, former chief of staff, spoke out about the warning that he gave, he says he gave, the president before he left that position. listen to this. >> i said whatever you do, and we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place, i said, whatever you do don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe you'll be impeached. >> prophetic. here comes the genius part. this is what stephanie grisham, the white house press secretary, said about john kelly. i worked with him and he was unable to handle the genius of our great president. unless you don't consider her
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press secretary you consider her fake news secretary. >> seriously that's straight out of the -- that is sort of auditioning for north korea's, you know -- >> i think it's more north korean than the bureau myself. >> it's too on the nose. >> it's north korea. >> he's a genius of our great president. >> i will say as ridiculous as that is, don't lose sight of what john kelly seemed to suggest, wisconsin th which is is not up to the job without being restrained or held within bo boundaries. >> everybody needs that. i don't think it's a criticism of someone to say you need advisors who will tell you the truth. >> or you will be impeached. >> the standards of -- >> there were fires that needed to be put out when john kelly was chief of staff too. let's not be a monday morning quarterback and just assume that everything was stable in the white house. >> right. >> most of the obstruction of justice in the plomueller repor took place while kelly was chief
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of staff. >> because folks were not actually executing the president's wishes. when an executive hire, a mini me and yes man, things get worse not better and that's true with this president in this oval office. >> friends, thank you very much. >> i'm the chief genius. >> yes, you are. >> we're just the senior. >> you are the senior global genius, worldwide reach. >> thank you very much. we're getting new information we need to bring to you right now because we've just learned new details about what the u.s. did to find the isis leader al baghdadi. president trump will be leaving the white house shortly, so we will bring you all of the breaking news next. i'm bad. you're stronger than you know. so strong. you power through chronic migraine, 15 or more headache or migraine days a month. one tough mother. you're bad enough for botox®. botox® has been preventing headaches and migraines before they even start for almost 10 years, and is the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. botox® is for adults with chronic migraine,
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breaking news, be a senior iraqi official tells cnn that one of al baghdadi's closest collaborators captured about two months ago near baghdad is the person who provided authorities with key information that led to al baghdadi's discovery. the man served as a guide to al baghdadi, helping him avoid authorities as he traveled. this guide pointed officials to a courrier whose wife ultimately led the iraqis to al baghdadi's location. joining us is democratic congressman alyssa slotkin a former cia officer. great to have you of all people with us. you are steeped in national security, in the cia, tell us from your unique perspective what you now know about all of the, for lack of a better word, great police work that led into getting him. >> sure. so we don't know, i don't have
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any special knowledge of the specifics yet because i'm on the armed services committee and hopefully we will get a briefing today or this week, but i think first and foremost, it just pulls together what has got to be months, if not years, of work by targeters in the cia, in the military, both uniformed and non-uniformed, pulling together threads to follow this guy and to get him. it's a huge amount of work and i have to say, i praise president trump for making that really tough decision. i have been in the room when similar type decisions have had to be made. it's always difficult if you're going to puts u.s. forces in harm's way, so i think, you know, it's the culmination of what it must have been a massive effort and i just sort of really celebrate everyone who participated. >> do you worry that without u.s. troops in syria in that area, that we will lose the ability to have this kind of intel sharing. >> well with, it's clear that
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the things that led to this raid, you know, they're pretty typical, right. it's a really strong relationship within our intelligence community and our military. it's partners and allies of all sorts that help us piece together the story, and then it's our power projection around the world, our ability to maneuver and get these operations done very, very far from the united states. our power projection. for me, those three things are key to any of these operations and it is clear that as we pull out of syria, that some of that power projection, some of the ability to piece together the story is going to go away and i think we're going to understand the role of the kurds here as the story develops, but there's no way to get around this idea that the reason that we see al baghdadi in a place like idlib, a pretty dangerous part of syria for him to be in and not in raqqah, not in his capital, because the kurds kicked him out of that area. the kurds made it impossible for him to set until that huge area of syria that would have been a natural home for him. they played a part in this.
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it's all as a team effort and i just don't understand the decision to sort of kick one part of the team under the curb. >> that's really interesting context about why he was in that particular location. you said that you're on the armed services committee and you expect to get a briefing very soon to learn more details. do you think that congress should have been briefed before they were about this operation? >> so, you know, there's a lot of traditions that go on when it comes to the executive branch notifying the legislative branch about these kinds of operations. for me, the gang of eight sort of the top eight congressional leaders, should have been notified as the operation was starting so they're not taken by surprise, it's a bipartisan approach to understanding what our military is doing. i think about it, about the soldiers on the ground, the forces that were involved if this operation, when they took off from iraq there is no way that they looked at each other and said hey, are you a democrat, are you a republican, that makes a difference in this operation. no. there's no way they did that.
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so i think it was the president's responsibility to inform the gang of eight. i hope we get the full briefings this week. it doesn't set the right tone or reflect what our forces on the ground would ever do. >> nancy pelosi says that vladimir putin was briefed before she was. do you think it's possible that the president briefed the kremlin before the gang of eight? >> you know, i don't have any special knowledge. i think what's going on from my experience working on similar issues, is that we were traversing air space that is a very, very complicated part of the world. you have russians flying around, syrians flying around, now turks flying near their border and over into this safe zone, so it's the right thing to do to notify operationally those different forces so there's no confusion, so we don't get fired on. think of that scenario, right. russian planes or helicopters engaging with american planes and helicopters, you don't want that scenario. deconfliction is something
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different than briefing vladimir putin and it's something that the obama administration did just as much as the trump administration. >> that's really interesting and maybe that is what happened. we'll find out more as you say. congressman, elissa slotkin, thank you for your unique perspective and expertise in this department. the breaking news this morning, the huge wildfire in southern california prompting widespread evacuations. this is a home burning in los angeles county right before our eyes. we're going to have the latest on this growing emergency next.
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breaking news. a wildfire has broken out near brentwood in southern california. you can see a home burning at this hour. los angeles mayor eric garcetti says some homes have already been damaged. we should note, john, this is 5:30 in the morning there. people are still sleeping. they may not know that overnight fire has begun to engulf some of their neighbors' homes and neighborhoods. at least 400 acres have burned in the last couple of hours. basically while we've been on the air here. >> some have been forced from their homes including lebron james who was tweeting his family had to evacuate their
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house and ultimately did find shelter but gives you a sense of how many are being affected by this. it has been one year since the deadliest anti-semitic attack in history. the doors to the tree of life in pittsburgh remain closed after 11 were killed there. sara sidner spoke with survivors as they continued their prayers for healing. >> cecil rosenthal, david rosenthal, bernie simon, sylvan simon. >> reporter: every day for the past year the names of the 11 jews shot to death in their pittsburgh synagogue are recited before the jewish prayer for the dead. joe has attended the daily service five days a week for one year. the 91-year-old is a visitor here at the congregation. but he often leads the prayer.
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his home saynagogue remains closed, when a hate filled gunman entered his place of worship. >> we heard a noise and i didn't pay much attention initially. he didn't shoot me. he started with the people who were seated. >> reporter: the gunman commenced slaughtering seven of his friends at tree of life, killing three worshipping at new light and one at dor ha dash. all three of the congregations are housed in the same building. >> the suspect keeps telling about killing jews. >> reporter: the suspect offered to plead guilty in exchange for spend issing life in prison but federal prosecutors rejected the offer and are seeking the death penalty. in this community that is one of two decisions being questioned. the other, was what to do with the building after such a tragedy. make this a memorial or reopen as a synagogue and community center. they decided to combine the ideas.
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the reminders of the deadliest anti-semitic attack on american soil are scattered throughout this place. the outpouring of love and gifts from around the country have been gathered up, cataloged and some featured on the fence that now surrounding the synagogue, including artwork from students who survived the massacre in parkland. >> we also remember joyce feinberg, richard godfrey, rose -- >> reporter: all the while, the prayers for the dead have never stopped. >> what does it feel like reciting those names? >> it feels good to recite those fames because i know i'm doing the right thing and i know that i'm doing something for me and for them at the same time. >> melvin wax and irving younger. >> reporter: joining throughout the year tree of life rabbi jeffrey myers and his friend of 50 years judah. he says he narrowly escaped death. he was about to walk in when a man stopped him. >> i would be right in the
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middle of the shooting. he's the one that really saved my life. >> reporter: it isn't the first time he escaped death. this is him as a young boy after seeing more death than life inside a nazi death camp in germany. >> to see somebody dead you walked around out of respect, but eventually we were weakening. we stepped on them. we could hear their bones cracking. didn't mean anything. by day seven i have seen more death that be life. you see irving younger, he was the first one to get killed. >> reporter: at 80, the targeting of jews yet again changed the way he looked at his sane na going to for a while. i looked at this and i said this looks like a tomb stone there's no holiness emanating from this building. and 11 bodies in it. it's a cemetery. >> reporter: a year later. >> everything passes. >> reporter: all he wants to do is go back to his sanctuary. >> how long have you been going
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to this synagogue? >> 54 years. >> 54 years. >> yeah. >> that is a long time. no wonder you feel like this is home. >> it's home. it's home. >> reporter: survivor joe charney agrees. >> do you want to go back? >> very much. >> why? >> why? because it's the right thing to do. because if you don't, the other side wins. >> the anti-semites? >> yes. >> reporter: it's a beacon showing the jewish faithful will endure and the dead will never be forgotten. >> what is you want people to know about your friends who prayed with you at the synagogue? >> i want them to know that their lives meant something, that they were the epitome of how we should be. >> i mean you were forced to remember every weekday. >> right. >> you say the names.
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>> yeah. that was great. still is great. i'm glad we do it. i like to hear the names. i think they make a difference and i don't want them forgotten. >> reporter: sara sidner, cnn, pittsburgh. >> keep saying the names. >> those are the beacons. those people who show up every single day and say it, those are the beacons. i remember being there exactly a year ago at the tree of life and the bullet holes were still in the door and i don't think that people knew that for a year, that it would still be a year before they would go back in. i think at that time they were hoping that they would be able to resume their services there before a year. and, you know, obviously they've had to move and other temples have taken the men in and embrace them. >> we're thinking about them today. >> here's what else to watch today.
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since taking office president trump has regularly touted and praised his cabinet members. not everyone agrees. for the second time this year, "the new york times" is asking readers to vote for the president's worst cabinet member
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currently in office. joining us is gayle collins, she is the author of the book, "no stopping us now." gayle, great to have you here. this is such an interesting subject given especially what the president's former chief of staff and a former cabinet secretary john kelly said over the weekend about who replaced him. listen. >> i said whatever you do, we were still in the process of trying to find someone to take my place, i said, whatever you do don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe you will be impeached. >> so as you look for what readers think and who readers think is the worst cabinet member, it does seem apparent that whoever is in there, haven't really kept the president from being impeached because it seems like that's where congress is headed.
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>> if that's the criteria, everybody is failing. not working out. everybody. doesn't happen. >> gale, your column, you laid out all of the cabinet members and then you said what you felt were some of their shortcomings and it struck me as sort of a very kind of trump-esque reality show that you're suggesting getting readers to write in and, you know, give you their vote of who they think should be eliminated from the island. >> it is very strange. i find it astonishing that people care so much about the cabinet members and that they know who they are and they write with great passion about this one is -- oh, my god the worst of all, the worst of all. i've never -- even baseball i don't think is getting as much passion with some of these people as the cabinet. >> that's because the nationals keep on losing first of all. i think the passion is slipping from that aspect of it. you write, ineptitude is an
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important consideration here. there are lots of cabinet members who would cause immeasurable harm if they weren't so incompetent. what do you mean there? >> it's interesting. sort of two divisions there, there are people, for instance, the secretary of education betsy devos is -- does not like public schools. that's been her life mission. of course when she came in, public school teachers and parents of public school students got very nervous, but she doesn't seem to be really up to actually doing anything much, so i think things have called down a bit, although, you know, she's certainly getting votes. >> let's talk about that. in your reality show model, who are readers saying is their favorite worse cabinet memberer? >> i can't tell. we're still counting. we'll let you know on thursday. the passion is really there. i'm just astonished at how much
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regular, normal people, get up in the morning and say to the world, the secretary of the interior. it's wonderful. it's great that people care this much. >> civic engagement, that's what you brought out here with the contest. >> who knew. >> what did stephanie grisham. read the response. >> stephanie grisham said about john kelly, john kelly's comments that it was him who was preventing the president basically from an impeachment inquiry, stephanie grisham, the press secretary, said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our president. >> i love this woman. she comes up with the most amazing quotes. it's incredible. maybe that was the problem there, the genius of the president was too much for him. he's -- nobody can keep him from doing anything that he feels like doing, and if you're a serious member of the cabinet,
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one of the major people, it's your responsibility to try to lead him in the right direction. most of these people are not great status guys coming in here who -- and women who just know a lot of stuff and have a lot of stature of their own who could argue things, certainly. >> gale collins, thank you for being with us. we wish we could get hints from you. there is a top tier? >> there is a top tier. yeah, i'll give you a hint, there's one person that drives everybody nuts and that person is getting stupenous waves of votes and i will let you guess until thursday which one that is. >> i feel like i can guess. i feel like i can guess because you may have telegraphed it in our interview, but i'll leave it for thursday for you to come back and do the big reveal of the winner. >> thank you. >> gale, thanks so much. >> the good stuff is next. i'm bad. you're stronger than you know. so strong. you power through chronic migraine, 15 or more headache or migraine days a month.
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