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so for this bolo, there might only be one person who should be on the lookout. mr. giuliani. this president believes in fealty. not loyalty. thank you for watching cnn tonight with d lemon starts right now. happy halloween, my brother. let me see what you have on. >> i came dressed as someone asked me tonight. >> don't tell me. dazed and confused. before picture from a picture catalogue. >> i'm going on start calling you kodak. >> i'll take it. kojak. >> no. tonight someone said i went to grab dinner and someone said it's you. i said yes, i'm dressed as don lemon tonight. i was laughing when you came to me because i had the picture of air force one backing up over rudy. if someone said to me, hey, don, is chris still your friend?
and he said, i don't know. i haven't spoken to him. what does that mean? >> i don't know. that doesn't mean anything good. >> can i say something? people will get mad at me. can we please have a fireside chat? i want a fireside chat. >> what is the president's ability to read the whole transcript without pausing to comment? >> you're reading my mind. it would be so amazing. >> and i say, i would like you to do us a favor. a favor. let me go up. >> what i men, when i wrote this book, by the way, i wrote 12 books and they were all great. it would be really amazing when fdr did it, they would talk about fascism and all that. >> it was about galvanizing the country and the collective pursuit of justice. >> this is where we are right now.
it's crazy. >> i can hear it now. they all love me. they hated obama. they love me. and he said, you don't do much for us. we do a lot for you but you don't do much for us. you have problems there. >> i said self -- like patti la bell. she said if you don't know me by now. i said to myself, self? in the mirror. we're laughing but this is serious. >> anderson was in high dungeon with bannon. he was trying to get him to answer whether or not he thinks it's wrong for a president to ask for help from a foreign government in an election. he wouldn't touch it like it was white hot. then i had this republican part of the gates gang. kelly armstrong out of north dakota who told me, the procedures you rejected today,
like the ones with clinton. he said i wasn't alive during nixon and clinton. >> i'm just laughing. was it sean spicer? bannon will be on "dancing with the stars" next? because he danced around the questions so much? all right, my boy. happy halloween. >> i love you. have a great show. >> you're eating too much candy. your energy is off the chain. >> reeses only. >> those are awesome. especially like at midnight when i get off work. see you. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. and again, we have breaking news. it comes quickly and often. the president is speaking out tonight in a new speaker view on the day congress held a vote on his impeachment inquiry. he's talking about his infamous ukraine call. the one he says was so perk. he has a new proposal about the transcript of that call.
you'll remember, that's when the call transcript was first released. he thought would it clear him of accusations that he held off lawfully to u.s. allies in exchange for accusations of his political opponents. instead, that whistleblower complaint and the release of the transcript, it kicked off a series of very damaging revelations and testimony from his own administration officials and aids. so the president is proposing a fireside chat. >> i'm serious. a fireside chat on live television. ploes. where he will read the transcript of the call. that's according to an interview in the washington examiner. he says, quote, at some point i'm going to sit down. perhaps as a fireside chat on live television and i will read the transcript of the call. because people have to hear it. when you read it, it is a
straight call. okay. that is the same call that led to a momentous day on capitol hill today. for only the third time, think about this, for only the third time in modern history, congress voting on an impeachment inquiry of this president. president trump. whether they should impeach him. taking the process to the next level. and landing this president deep in the next level crisis, all but guaranteeing that he will be impeached. the house voted 232-196 for rules to take the impeachment inquiry public. giving the president's defenders what they want. that's what they said they wanted. then they wanted public hearings. yet every single public along with two democrats from districts trump won in 2016, voting against the resolution today. just to take it to the next
level. not to impeach him but to take it to the next level. then they wanted that vote. a united front? even though sources say behind the scenes, some republicans are worried about what comes next. let's remember, today's vote is about the investigation. about asking questions and getting to the truthful nancy pelosi is the house speaker. you know her. she said this. >> i don't know why the republicans are afraid of the truth. every member should support allowing the american people to hear the facts for themselves. that is really what this vote is about. it is about the truth. and what is at stake? what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy. >> steve scalise is the house minority whip and he is doubling
down on process. that's a favorite republican talking point, blasting what he calls, and this is a favorite point, soviet style rules. possibly forgetting that the soviet union is dead and gone. >> this is unprecedented. not only unprecedented. this is soviet style rules. maybe in the soviet union you do things like this where only you make the rules. >> process, no substance. it seems to me that's how congress works. the majority makes the rules. that did not seem to bother the republicans when they were in the majority. and jim jordan. this is happening. he uses his time in what sounds an awful lot like an attempt to out the whistleblower. >> democrats are trying to impeach the president of the united states 13 months before an election base on an anonymous
whistleblower with no first has not knowledge based on bias against the president who worked with vice president biden. only one member of this body who knows this person is who started the whole process. chairman schiff. >> what is congressman is forgetting or maybe he doesn't want to admit, the inspector general of the intel community said, the whistleblower's complain was credible. whether or not there was any political bias. jordan also blasting adam schiff. let's hear what he has to say about all this. >> i do not take any pleasure in the events that have made this process necessary. i rise in strong support of the resolution but do i so with an understanding that the task before us is a solemn one. >> well, you've heard republicans complaining about depositions behind closed doors. well, wait until you hear who is
defending those secret depositions. none other than fox news judge andrew napolitano. >> ken starr handed a tremendous amount of evidence to the house judiciary committee. how did he do that? in secret. congressman schiff is in my opinion following the rules of the house of representatives. >> judge napolitano on fox news right there demolishing that gop talking point saying closed door depositions, he says, follow the rules. cnn learning that the white house is reaching out to republicans in the senate. they'll dehis fate if the house impeaches him. he has to keep that in mine. a source saying he told them how pleased he is that no house republicans defected today. the president still trying to
convince them, his words, perfect. a perfect call. listen to what he tells the brexit party leader. >> i know knew people were on the call. i knew it was probably being transcribed or stenographers doing all that. i can all these things. when i speak to a foreign here, people are on the call and they call.at and they transcribe the if you know that, if i know, no, i'm a straight shooter anyway. >> uh-huh. >> and the house voted to advance the impeachment inquiry, there was testimony more than eight hours today. sources saying that tim morrison, a top nsc official who coincidentally or not is leaving his job, he told advisers that he was advised by white house official fiona hill to steer
clear of rudolph giuliani and his road to ukraine policy. another source telling cnn tonight, when morrison was pressed by lawmakers asking whether it is genls the law and he stammered. he said it is not above the constitution. which is really the central question in all of this. is the president above the law? from the impeachment inquiry vote to the president's idea of a fireside chat to read the transcript of his ukraine call, we have a lot of news ahead for you tonight. lots to talk about. congressman eric swalwell is here and he's next. - what are you doing? myles udland: isn't it obvious? - nah. alexis christofouros: we're delivering live market coverage and offering expert analysis completely free. myles udland: we're helping you make sense of the markets without cable or a subscription from anywhere you are. - i get that. but what are you doing here? myles udland: nice "pa-jah-mas."
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inquiry in the first place. joining me now, eric swalwell of california. he is a democrat who sits on both the intel and judiciary committees. i appreciate you joining us. i know it has been a very busy day for you. >> thank you. >> president trump in a new interview with the washington examiner said he wants to read the ukraine call transcript like a fireside chat on television. he wants to believe everyone of his believe that it was a perfect call. >> well, we've already read his confession. if he wants to us hear his confession, sure. but i think he's missing the seriousness of this inquiry. if he was serious, he would allow us to interview every single person who also heard him make these confessions to the ukrainian president. he's blocking people from coming to congress. i think this is more stunt and
showmanship from the president at a time that i think he and my republican colleagues in congress need to get serious about what is at stake and what's next. >> you don't think they're serious? >> he said he would sit down with bob mueller and he never did that. >> up it is time for the president and the republican colleagues to get serious. you don't think they're serious? nor he? >> well, most of them so far have not been. they've spent a lot of time attacking process. they stormed a secure room at the behest of the president to intimidate a witness. it didn't work. the american people in very short order will see witnesses raising their right hand and laying out this defense dollars for dirt scheme that the president was running. they're going to want to know, are republicans donald trump's public defenders or objective lawmakers who will weigh the fate of this president? >> let's talk about what else
happened. tim morris' testimony. he corroborated bill taylor's quid pro quo claim. but he also didn't think there was anything wrong legally with the trump-zelensky call. they said that morrison's testimony was good for them. was it? >> no. it was not. again, you see bill taylor and others who have characterized the president's conduct, their testimony has been corroborated and they describe a this for that situation. donald trump was asking the ukrainians to investigate his opponent in exchange for defense dollars. i don't see how that's good for the president. and it is not for mr. morrison to say whether what mr. trump did was right or wrong. and regardless of what anyone says, putting mr. morrison outside of this, donald trump and none of us are above the
law. >> do you buy this argument that he turned over the transcript to the lawyers because of how politically divisive washington is? he says he was worried about it leaking. >> i don't doubt that some worried that what this call record made some people worried that donald trump's future. if that's why he did it, thank you for being so nakedly transparent about why you did it. that doesn't make it right and that doesn't get donald trump off the hook for what he was asking the ukrainians to do. i'm not going to jump to conclusion. we'll move to a public phase where the evidence will be tested. they'll have an opportunity to test the evidence and we'll determine whether this conduct warrants impeachment. >> today's vote was historic but not a single republican member voted for impeachment proceedings. do you think this partisan vote, that it makes impeachment more
difficult to sell to the american people? >> i'm not going to write them off. it is frustrating that we're laying out the exact same process that president clinton and president nixon were afforded for their impeachment process in congress. so his counsel will have due process here and i hope as the evidence continues to be put forward for the american people, fls betrayal to our duties to the constitution. if we look the other way and allow a president to do this. so i won't write them off. i hope they keep an open mind. if i see exonerating evidence that shows the president did not intend to do this, i too will keep an open mind. >> if no republicans voted just to allow the proceedings, even considering all the evidence that came out, all the credible
witnesses, if they voted not to even allow the proceeding, what makes you think a republican led senate would vote to convict? >> the power of the people. at the end of the day, we answer to the constituents. our job title is representative to the people. once they see a lieutenant colonel raise his right hand and describe what he heard, or people like him, they won't feel too good about what our president is doing with our. at a pair dollars solely to benefit himself. and they will be making phone calls, showing up at the capitol. and i imagine if republicans thought their storming of the skiff was a show of protest, imagine what constituents will do with town halls to show up and demand that a lawless president, if that's the case, be held accountable. >> thank you. >> the white house now focusing
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as the house votes to advance impeachment inquiry which will include public hearings, the white house not unexpectedly calls it sham proceedings. thank you to both of you. you first. the white house demanded today's vote and they got the vote. but they're still complaining about the process. what gives?
>> yeah. they're saying that the votes that happened today is still unfair to them. a lot of the criticism has been focused on one point which is that the house intelligence chairman gets so much leverage in the rules laid out this week and of course, the president doesn't like adam schiff. doesn't like him at the white house. that has been a sticking point behind the scenes. they've been making this argument. they don't think this affords the president due process. with this vote, they recognize that democrats have undercut this argument that until democrats vote, this is not a real inquiry. so look at the next few days to focus other things like they were doing saying, when most most that, if it came down to impeachment, it would have to be bipartisan. something they were focusing on today. two democrats voted against the resolution. no republicans voted for it. focusing on as they try to en - figure out how they'll move forward here. >> and one ib justin amash voted
for it. >> new reporting tonight that mitch mcconnell, the leader, advising to stop insulting republicans. >> so they have a one-on-one meeting in the white house. and this is common sense. the senators will be your jurors. do not get them angry. do not insult them. what do we know about donald trump? discipline is not his strong suit. so will he listen? but the most interesting thing is that mitch mcconnell had to tell him that. if the republicans in the senate are going to hold firm, and they're not going on remove him from office, why did he have to warn him? >> interesting. i wonder how the people who
voted against him, i'm wondering how history will portray this. when you look back through history, people say, oh, i was on the wrong side of history. what was the mood at the white house in. >> so i understand they had chicken. if that tells you anything. what is interesting here is that they're not getting guidance from the white house. and this is very frustrating for the house and the senate. this is a one-man war room and they don't know where it's going. >> talk to me about tim morrison's testimony. >> the president did an interview. today it went for about 80 minutes. during that interview he pulls out the opening statement from tim morrison. he had it printed out in a stack of papers on his desk. the president said he viewed it as fantastic.
he said that democrats in his opinion felt that tim morrison would be their star witness and they believed that tim morrison was helpful for them because he did not make any conclusions about the president's involvement with this. while tim morrison was on the hill today, he's one of the few staffers, had a declaration, was deeply involved in this and he confirmed a lot of what bill taylor, the democrat diplomat in ukraine said last week. the white house is sitting here trying to figure out which one will be positive for them. and apparently the president thinks that tim is one of those. >> he backed up the other people's testimony. they thought it was a quid pro quo. it's not really up for him to dewhether it is legal or not. he said he didn't think it was legal. that's his opinion. as to what happened on the phone call, that's where the substance is. you're also reporting about trump's message to republicans.
particularly vulnerable republicans who need money. and it is? >> i think we have another quid pro quo. >> trump has a lot of money. he's raising a lot of money at the white house. not so much for republicans on the hill. so what is he saying to them? if you don't defend me, if you don't sign this resolution that this impeachment isn't fair, guess what? you don't get money. if you do, i'll give you money. that could make the difference for a lot of these people. susan collins, not getting any money right now. so another quid pro quo and another sign of, i'll going to use the b word. a little bullying at a time when he needs their support.
>> republicans held the line today on the vote. how are republicans really feeling on the vote? >> they are exhausted, anxious, and they don't know what's coming next. they had that vote where they were all disciplined and they all, you know, stayed on the same side. that's because they've been arguing about process. they do not know what is coming. very few have defended him. several have said to me, we don't know what is coming next and it is hard to defend him on the substance of what we've seen so far. >> sorry, i have to go. we know the president want to give this fireside chat. it appears there is no strategy but his own. there is no war room coming? is it just him? >> the president has resisted calls to have any kind of war
room. it has been over a month since pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry and the white house still hasn't hired a communications professional to spearhead this. they haven't aed any professionals. he was asked what his strategy will be, he said he would rely on telling people to read the transcript. the only thing he wanted was to print the t-shirt. that's not what people in the white house think they should do. they think it is a big serious error in judgment. >> still no briefing. she's been there since over the summer. she has done several interviews with fox news. in the past when sarah sanders did her interviews with fox news, they do it from the north lawn in the white house so when they come back down, they're going back to their offices in the west wing. reporters can stop and talk to
them. stephanie grisham have been doing most of her interviews, denying reporters to have the chance to ask questions. >> interesting. >> is the president above the law? sources say a top aide in the impeachment inquiry was asked just that today. his answers up next. with geico's help was pretty fun too. ahhhh, it's a tiny dancer. they left a ton of stuff up here. welp, enjoy your house. nope. no thank you. geico could help you save on homeowners and renters insurance. geico could help you save on homeowners introducing new vicks vapopatch
eight hours of testimony on capitol hill as national security councilmember tim morrison backed up claims from are president trump. so good to have both of you on today. michael, i'll start with you. here's the bottom line. a top white house national security official testified today that a top diplomat told
him that use for ukraine was put on hold to develop an investigation into the bs. so we have another official directly tying president trump to the shakedown. >> the evidence is coming in. it's not completely consistent but it is demonstrating, i think, something that we've studied impeachment is sort of a classic impeachable offense. asking a foreign government to intervene in an american election. it doesn't matter whether it is a crime or not. mr. morrison got confused over that point. the concern is whether it is an abuse of power. the framers were very concerned about abuse of power. they used examples like this when they were describing impeachable offenses. it is not a hard question whether or not it will be impeachable. >> thank you for answering that. i want to ask you about
morrison. he testified that he didn't think there was anything to discuss that was illegal. that's his opinion. is he right? was there any crime committed here? >> well, remember, impeachment is like we just said, is not about a crime. but yeah. he violated the campaign finance act. it says very clearly, you can't invite any foreigner to help in an election. and here he is, shaking down the president of ukraine. looking for dirt on his political opponent in a u.s. election. not only did he violate the constitution with abuse of power, he violated the law in the sense of campaign financial. >> republicans are seizing on this part, right? from an impeachment standpoint, michael, does it matter if the president committed a crime or not? >> not at all. >> okay. go on. >> i'm sorry. it is actually very clear. if you look for the meaning of other high crimes and
misdemeanors, it was a british term. a british phrase. the come any lonists used it. political crimes were not indictable offenses. not the things that people to go jail for. the political crimes refers to abuses of power. the kinds of things you cannot get at through a normal trial. and presidents are in a unique position. they have unique powers. when we abuse they will, they have a process for addressing it. impeachment powers. >> what do you think of the whole, there is nothing illegal talking points coming from the republican senator? >> i think it's -- i understand this defense merely to distract and essentially to keep saying, 100,000 times, it's not leave. that doesn't playing it legal. it's just that they want to convince people that this is normal and it's not normal.
>> he want to move it to the secret server because he was afraid it would leak. if this call is perfect like the president that, why the fear? why take such a drastic step because you're worried it will leak? >> because they tried to hide it. the code word server is a big deal. very few people who have code word access. he probably doesn't even have it. one of the reasons they tried to hide it. we now know that it was apparently altered. the magical ellipsis. it came out that we'll see more of this sort of thing as it becomes public. the live tv starts and then you'll see some serious squirming from today, the republicans were, oh, it's an unfair process and the democrats are being mean to us.
what was passed by the house today is exactly what the republicans passed for the clinton impeachment. almost the same words. >> so then why the double standard? oh, let's move on. you say the abuse of power is staring us all in the face. >> it is staring us in the face and it is a release by the white house. think about this. not a single witness in all the closed door witnesses are democrats. they're either republicans or they're public servants, all of whom were pointed, appointed by the trump administration. and the republicans -- >> it's a deep state, don't you know? that we appointed. the republicans are saying that it is a deep state. but somehow it is a deep state but they're appointed by republicans, by the trump administration. very interesting. michael, we have been here three
times before. let's see. andrew johnson and bill clinton impeached. richard nixon resigned before the house could vote. articles of impeachment were drawn up. andrew johnson, he faced 11 crimes of peeflt. >> they were not for any crimes. no crimes you doing jail for. they were, the articles were addressing the ways in which johnson was trying to interfere with reconstruction. there was some illegaliality. he was charged by firing the secretary of war without getting senate approval. he thought it was unconstitutional but that's not a felony. they're great examples of abuses of power. of obvious concern to the frailers that are not technically illegal but they do hurt the republic and they breached the public trust. >> if there was a crime, the
argument is that it can't be tried anyway. is that what the argument is? >> it depends what somebody did. occasionally it is a felony and they play to have a criminal trial. but the kinds of things the president can do is only what he can do. if he abuses power like nixon did, then we draw up impeachment articles. he was charged with obstruction and going after political enemies. we may well be witnessing in front of us some kind of obstruction with the constant efforts to keep people from testifying and putting this on a special server is highly unusual. >> i really enjoyed having you. what is trump's america think? the divided state of the country, next. business. when you've got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds-
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so what do you think about the today house vote? whatever you think about that vote to advance the impeachment inquiry might have to do with where america and america you live. here to discuss now a former aid to paul ryan. and hunter walker white house correspondent. thank you so much. this is important. trump's reelection campaign ran an ad during the world seerds and caught everyone's attention. watch this. >> the democrats would rather focus on impeachment and phony investigation. ignoring the real issue. that's not stopping donald trump. he's no mr. nice guy. sometimes it takes a donald trump to change washington. >> he got a lot of boos in the stadium. what does that ad tell you about
who the campaign is targeting. >> that ad is exactly what innocennancy pelosi was fearing when she was skeptical. it's a really effective ad and if you are concerned about him getting elected that should scare you. the content and the amount of money he has behind it. the republicans have priorities. one create a firewall against republican voters and make it as painful as possible for moderate democrats. as important as this debate is, you talk to voters it's low on the priority list. they're more concerned about things that are practical to their lives. drug prices and the economy. and things like that. if you frame it as though you are ignoring those issues and pursuit of impeachment. that's powerful for the people they're trying to win over. that may not love everything he
does. least not mr. nice guy and they're owning that. >> but that's not what you need right now. you said for democrats it's also for republicans who may feel off. you see that ad they would be concerned about moving support away from the president. you're right. the ad is effective. they talk about the promises made and kept. new jobs and defeating isis and the false claim illegal immigration has been cut in half. is that the trump message minus the trump drama? >> a lot of people close to the president think that he would have a great great record to run on if he wasn't getting caught up in the various controversies and those things you pointed to are a lot of the things he could lean on. it's not just the immigration that's false. the notion that isis is defeated. there's no expert who would tell you that. one man died.
there's been a lot of concern that due to the recent moves we have made in northern syria that isis could rebound a bit. and when i talked to trump supporters what's interesting is no matter what proven falsehoods are under covered. no matter what holes are shown in the claims the president makes they don't see that. i was at an event last night with trurp supporters and what they like is view the promises as having been 100% kept. i think the question is whether outside the trump bubble anyone will buy that argument. >> you gop house members after the recent two week recess. what are they hearing from constituents? >> so nancy pelosi announced that they were looking into impeachment, members went home for a recess. i was curious was the conversation going to be nervous or trying to figure out how to
get away from the president. when i heard is members were wanting to defend the president more. that has only grown over the past few weeks. this will sound crazy. but today, the day that the president was potentially set up for impeachment. was one of the best days house republicans have had this congress. that's the way the they feel. the reason that is because they are fighting. they had a vote on the floor. they got to stick together and fighting for the president. that's important for them. whether it's for showing the president they're sticking with them. the voters back home in the republican districts you have to understand are demanding their representatives defend the president. stick by the president. they are fearing a lot of different pressures and the conversations that are happening in the republican districts where people are getting news from different places sounds different than the conversation taking place with washington. that creates pressure. and they fight. >> i want to look at latest
poll. democrats have a lot of work to do to build support for impeachment. >> support is rising. one thing that's interesting is 10% of republicans do support it. house members will say they're winning. it does seem to be shaky. >> great conversation. thank you both so much. see you soon. a huge day in washington the house voting to advance a trump impeachment inquiry as another witness ties the president to quid pro quo. all the big impeachment developments next. must be hot out there, huh? not especially. -[ slurping continues ] -what you drinking? gasoline. right, but i mean, what's in the cup? gasoline. [ slurping ] for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.
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this is "cnn tonight" i'm don lemon. there's a lot going on. we'll catch you up on five big headlines. a momentous day in the impeachment inquiry. testimony by a trump aid. and arguments in federal court on whether a former white house official must answer a congressional subpoena to testify. major step the house aremoving that resolution. along party lines. that advances the impeachment inquiry setting the stage for public hearings and possible articles of impeachment against president trump. what history tells us about that. if the president is eventually impeached by acquitted in the senate and the trial. would that em bolden him for reelection? we'll talk about that. rudy giuliani role in ukraine scandal is extensive and he's