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game. donald connor pulled the man up just before the train sped by go that's the first time i seen that video. that's amazing. now the raiders will recognize him at this week's hometown hero. o'connor has worked at bay area rapid transit for 24 years. love these stories. a good way to end the day. thank you all for being with us him we'll see you tomorrow to. >> "at this hour" with kate baldwin starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm kate baldwin. thanks so much for joining me. after days of stonewalling from witnesses tauld to testify in the impeachment inquiry. today one witness did show up and it is a big one. the highest ranking career diplomat in the foreign service, david hale. he is behind closed doors with investigators right now as we speak. he is one of four witnesses who were so-called to be testifying and facing interviews today. he is the only one who has shown up so far. hale's testimony comes on the heels of a huge reverse am from
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another key figure in the impeachment probe. gordon sondland, the ambassador to the european union. he filed a revision to his testimony just on monday. he testified on october 17th. he filed this revision addendum on monday to now say and describe that he does recall a quid pro quo in a conversation that he had with a top ukraine official, sondland delivered a message saying this, resumption of the u.s. aid would likely not occur until ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we have been discussing for many weeks, sondland says. not only does his message hold through part of the president's defense here that he said all along there is no quid pro quo. but the timing does as well. so what is david hale's testimony going to add to all of this now today? let's us go to capitol hill, cnn's manu raju is there.
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what is expected from david hale? >> reporter: well, david hale was mentioned in a separate testimony that came out part of this week as concerns raised internally in the state department after the ouster of the then ukrainian ambassador marie yovanovitch. yovanovitch hofk had been targeted by rudy guiliani and his associates. yovanovitch raised concerns about the efforts to push the ukrainian's investigations that can help the president politically. according to testimony that came out from mike mckinley, a top state official, he had reached out to a number of other top state official, including david hale, testifying today and saying he wanted the state department to issue a strong statement of public support for yovanovitch, but hale is one person who did not respond. we are also hearing separately or according to a report in the associate press that hale will suggest that the secretary of state did not want to link -- was reluck that want to issue that show of support because he
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believed it could have hurt the release of that stalled aid to you crepe that roughly $400 million in military aid and pompeo apparently was concerned about a statement of support because the way that rudy guiliani, the president's personal attorney could react to all this. so we'll get more details as members come out and they describe how he testified. he's been behind closed doors for two hours now. but a lot of the large focus today in part will be about what happened in the ouster that the ukrainian ambassador and what he did about that. >> yeah. last night, manu, i had a democratic house member on, who told me that sondland's admission, this addendum, this revision about the quid pro quo, this meeting that he had in warsaw, poland, that he now remembers, his memory has been jogged, this house member told me he thought this was a smoking
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gun. what are you hearing? >> reporter: democrats see this as yet another example of a witness testifying about a quid pro quo. whether it's about linking the military aid to this public statement from ukraine, demanding these investigations into the biden, into the 2016 campaign, also this push by the zelensky administration of ukraine, for this meeting at the white house, having this linked. they are saying this is another example of republicans are contending that sondland's revision to his testimony is only his opinion, that coming from one congressman scott perry, who told reporters that on his way into this closed door deposition today. but one witness was not happy with the testimony from good morning sondland. that's fiona hill, whose attorney put out a statement this morning saying that he had fabricated communications with dr. hill, none of which took over coffee. he says that sondland, what she told lawmakers was a lack of
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coordination of ukraine was disastrous and the circumstance on yovanovitch's dismissal were shameful. that's in reference to what sondland said, she was not happy with the president so you are seeing several people raise concerns over what sondland said. >> first off, what you said is long. second off, we have never had coffee. good to hear from you. joining me right now cnn political analyst, national security attorney brad moss who has worked with many whistleblower clients in the past and a former spokesman for the state and defense department john kirby. guys thanks for being here. margaret, let us begin where manu left off. what is the impact of sondland's reversal in the grand scope of this investigation right now? >> i think there is two places to look for the answer to this. one is what is the impact in terms of how it shades the questions on the hill, how republicans feel about this, how high ranking people at the
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pentagon and state department feel. the second question is a political question, which is how do voters in swing states feel about this? >> good point. >> sort of in the weeds development look huge inside washington. we don't yet know whether this is something that is going to permeate either in terms of the president's space or in terms of that suburban vote, which we saw would be so important in the virginia elections last night. there are really two different questions. i think in the inside the beltway, part of the sondland's revision is a very big deal. because it shows that if he had to weigh his own personal reputation against what would be the easier or better course for the president, he's choosing to protect his own reputation or to try to minimize damage as much as possible by correcting the record. what's interesting about mr. hill's testimony is that he's going in there to answer questions about ambassador yovanovitch. but what we can see so far in many of these testimonies that
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go on eight, nine, ten hours, a lot of other things come up. >> exactly. >> and so the potential to go in different directions beyond the sort of original core of the questioning is what may be the most valuable part of his appearance today. >> john, i want to ask you about the impact of david hale testimony? just a second. just on this point first. you heard from manu kind of what republicans, some republicans are saying this morning. i often find it takes a moment for it to marinate and set amongst republicans on capitol hill, where they are going to decide where they react. with ra ready to on sondland's revision what you hear from republicans is that this is only sondland's opinion and now they're saying that the only person to listen to is the testimony of curt volker, because he said that he didn't know about quid pro quo. is this now coming down to who is more credible when it comes to current and former officials that are testifying? is that a good place -- is that the safe place to be? >> i think it's really who is
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more credible to the narrative you are trying to propagate. that's the more partisan align than it is based on facts. take volker and sondland out of the equation hypothetically, kate, look at the body of evidence presented under oath to congress and the whistleblower, it all aligns, everything aligns, i would say being if volker's tech, whatever he might have said, look at his texts and the fact that he helped edit and compose what was supposed to be the public statement zelensky was opening up investigations into burisma. all of that resides on one side of this, and it's all factual and all laid out there. so regardless of what volker said, i think you have to look at the body of everyday objectively. take ten steps back. you can pretty well see regardless of what sondland said or didn't say, there was a quid pro quo. >> sondland described in this hours long testimony he had been
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cut out of a lot of decisions and process as well. it all factors into all of this, let's be honest, at this moment. but with sondland saying he delivered the message about a quid pro quo in september, do you think this makes it more or less necessary to hear from the whistleblower directly as republicans continue to call for? >> yeah, as we get each piece of if you evidence and each piece of testimony from individuals who had direct first-hand information, first-hand knowledge of the various components of how this transpired, the relevant of what the whistleblower could actually provide in any testimony becomes less and less material and less and less relevant. the only reason that certain lawmakers. certain individuals in congress and in the white house are demanding this person not only testify but do so publicly is they want to make the story about the whistleblower. they want to throw dirt on this, throw mud on it and make this about the bias perceived real or not of the individual who raised the alarm.
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>> that is the disgusting part. that's what's offensive, the whistleblower, whoever he or she, i will not confirm or deny the name, this person did what is required under the law under existing federal law. their anonymity so lang as they want to remain anonymous should be protected. they are not the story. >> objectively, no matter where you land on this, if you look at the facts, this is far beyond the whistleblower complaints on this point. there are multiple officials speaking on the record with their names on the record about the elements of the whiting blower xantcomplaints. sunday says he doesn't know where this came from. he says i do not know, still do not know, when, by, or by whom the aid was suspended. does this leave the president wiggle room? because the white house is definitely clamping on that? >> well, you know, wiggle room for what? ultimately this is a political
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calculation both by the democrats how to proceed and by the republicans in the senate about how to respond, assuming against where everybody thinks that it's going. sondland so far is the closest person in terms of the direct conversations with the president. but when you look at sort of the picture at large, we're still fundamentally dealing with the same question, which is, do the americans -- does the american public believe that any of this, even if it was the worst case scenario that people are painting is a reason to remove a president within a year of an election? and are democrats committed to doing it anyway? and if so, how do the republicans respond? i think the details matter in terms of shaping public opinion. i don't think there is this same standard of proof you would see if this is a case moving in the court. it's all a question of how it affects political perceptions. >> and if it comes from voters on up, or if it comes from members on down, how they kind of text the whim winds on this,
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john, quickly, talk to me about david hale. how important? who is he? how important is his testimony today? >> a long serving career foreign officer, the under secretary for political affairs, which is a very important position at the state department. he sort of is the guy that sort of connects policy with the politics, not just here in this country, but the politics of countries that we are working with overseas. so a very important job. as margaret said, they will key in on trying to ask him about yovanovitch's departure. all that went into that. i do think he'll also get asked questions about rudy guiliani's role. and i think what i'm looking for, what i'm hoping to hear as a result of his testimony today, is you know, the degree to which jim was running on a shadow foreign policy and how much did he and secretary pompeo know about it? how much did they may be perhaps enable it, empower it or simply try to bound it? i think that's really the important thing is here how can a private citizen, representative of the president
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have this much influence over our bilateral relations with another country? i suspect mr. hale will have interesting insights on that. >> and something you have talked about related to this quite a bit. we'll have much more time to talk about it later, the impact all of this has in real time on foreign service officer, on the employees of the state department and what that means there now. >> that understand so much, don. margaret, brad, thank you very much. coming up for us, democrats claim victories in kentucky and virginia. what the red concedes to blue. is this a sign of what is to come in 2020? of course, that is the question. really, what are the lessons for republicans? what are the lessons from democrats from last night's results? plus, it's an elitist attitude, joe biden doubling down on a new line of attack against elizabeth warren, sharpening an attack. why now? the biden company is here coming up.
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. >> election day has come and gone and there is a lot to talk about today. while the official results in kentucky are not yet official, democrat andy beshear has
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declared victory over incumbent matt bevin in the race for governor there. bevin has not conceded the race. in virginia, democrats made history flipping both the state house and state senate, making it the first time in 25 years the democrats have control of the legislature and the governor's mansion at the same time. in mississippi, a different story. republicans holding onto the governorship there with lt. gov. kate reid defeating the democratic attorney general jim hood. president trump has been all over these election results. honestly, in the run-up to the day and in the after math, not surprisingly, he's taken credit for the mississippi win while now distancing himself from the loss in kentucky. >> that is self ndefinitely not message matt bevin was pushing in kentucky last night. >> why talk about president trump so much? >> i don't know, do you watch the news? >> last night i saw a lot of your ads. >> awesome. do you watch the news other than political ads?
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have you heard anything about president trump in the last two, three, four years? >> reporter: and you are running for governor? >> here's the irony, the fact that you ask why this is being nationalized and why people are talking about president trump would indicate to me you sort of came out from under a rock, because here in america, that's pretty topical every night. >> every night. joining me right now is cnn political writer and analyst terry enson, can you break, let's talk about kentucky. >> yeah. >> that's where the big news has been. cnn hasn't called the race, bevin has not conceded. but where did beshear pick up support? >> yeah. i think this is rather key f. we look at the kentucky results. beshear up. bebasically did it in three ayres, major metropolitan areas of louisville and lexington, key here, the cincinnati suburbs, traditionally republican, beshear was able to win there and less of pa trump area phenomenon in coal country where trump has tended to do very, very well, what we see in there
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in coal country is beshear was able to hold on to democratic ancestral territory. you are talking about kentucky and sort of being, oh, president trump popular, absolutely true, the approval rate, 55%, disapproval 41%, the big, big problem for matt bevin was his own approval rating. donald trump was not able to takele over the top. you mentioned mississippi, we'll nod to it here. not a surprising result, right? indicate reeves, defeating, donald trump popular there, and finally in virginia, take a look here, house of delegate results, state senate results, both bodies flipped, donald trump extremely unpopular in the state of virginia. that was the big reason why. sort of looking forward to 2020, look, if you go back to 2017 in the virginia house, democrats won that popular vote by 9 points. in the u.s. house of representatives in 2018, they won there by 9 points as well,
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this time around, virginia house democrats won by 9. what does that mean for the presidential race in 2020? we have to wait to see, kate. >> question mark, question mark, question mark. thank you for breaking that down, i appreciate it. so much more on this and what the message is from last night. joining me right now is the chairman of the democratic national committee tom perez. mr. chairman, thanks for coming in. >> it's great to be with you, kate. >> i will say after hearing how loud you had to yell over crowds in virginia last night, i am surprised you still had a voice. what do the wins last night portend for next year? >> we're a 50 state party. we have been competing everywhere. in 2017, virginia taught us we can win along with new jersey, a month later alabama taught us we can win everywhere in 2018. we took that to scale. last night again, another red letter night in virginia, winning suburbs like prince william county, which is a bellwhether suburb for america. >> that used to be an epicenter
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for intolerance under a guy corey stewart, now the prince william county board flipped democratic harry's chart is really important. what it shows is democrats are competing everywhere across the state. if andy hadn't been so effective in some of those coal counties, it wouldn't have been enough. if he hadn't been effective in the cincinnati suburbs, kenton county, boone county, it wouldn't have been enough. he's competing everywhere. democrats are doing that everywhere. and i think that's really the key point. that's how we were able to win at scale in 2018. that's how we won at scale in 2019 and we haven't abated. we are a 50-state party. the democratic governor's association was fantastic. the democratic legislative campaign committee, which works on the state races in virginia, was fantastic. the party chairs in both those states were fantastic. and then most importantly, it's
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about candidate quality. andy beshear is an authentic politician who understands that it's time to work for people. i mean, you showed the 40% approval rating. what that doesn't show, that's actually a high water mark matt bevin. he was in the high 20s and low 30s. when have you good candidates who are speaking to the values tat command the respect of the majority of the american people, that's how we succeed. and that's how we won if virginia. >> let me ask you about beshear and how he won. we saw in kentucky last night that andy beshear, he did not run on a national message. he ran on kitchen table issues. he was talking about medicaid. he was talking about pension programs, quite frankly, he was talking about the temperament of the current governor matt bevin. this wasn't about donald trump for andy beshear. is there a lesson there for democrats rung for president from. >> that's how we won if 2018 and 2017. you are absolutely right. andy's father, former governor
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steve beshear, i had the privilege of working with him. he built one of the most effective healthcare exchanges in america. and under the guise if it ain't broke, break it, that's what matt bevin proceeded to do. andy bevin pointed out, i'm going to fix it and fix the kitchen table issues. and he showed that compassion is not a dirty word for democrats. and that is also the same thing -- >> does it also mean like a moderate message is something that democrats in the presidency should be listening to? >> well, i think the message of values and the message of the democratic party. we believe that everyone should have access to quality affordable healthcare? that's what andy beshear is trying to do in kentucky. that's what democrats running for president are trying to do. we believe the second amendment and correspondence gun violence reduction measures can co-exist. that's how we won if virginia. you may recall there was a special session a few months after the tragic shooting and the republican majority there
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gavelled it down after 90 minutes, because they're in the pocket of the nra. so we can -- these sorts of messages, the majority of the american people are on our side and we're organizing everywhere and fielding great candidates that are going to amplify that message and fight for those values. >> we'll see how that message continues on the trail, because it's still here to go. it goes fast. as you well know. >> yes, it does. >> thank you for coming if. i appreciate your time. thank you very much. we have breaking news coming in. we need to get right back over to capitol hill. manu raju with more details on the new direction that this impeachment investigation is now headed. manu. >> reporter: yes. significant news, adam schiff the house intelligence committee chairman saying there will be public hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week. the new phase of this impeachment investigation after weeks of closed door depositions. schiff just announcing there will be three witnesses who will come in an open setting next
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week after they have testified privately before. these individuals, there will be two next wednesday, november 13th. they'll be bill taylor, the top diplomat in ukraine. the current u.s. diplomat in ukraine as well as george kent, who is a current state department official. those two individuals both will testify on wednesday. then on friday, the ousted former ukrainian ambassador marie yovanovitch. she was of course called by president trump on that post under pressure from the president as well as rudy guiliani and his associates targeting these individuals. this was the first time we will hear what these individuals were saying behind closed doors. we have already gotten a sense of what they have said behind closed doors from reporting, from some of the transcripts that have been released, from some of the opening statements, bill taylor will be significant. him being among the first two witnesses on that initial day of testimony. taylor, of course, that testified that he had been told that the president had withheld vital aid to ukraine if exchange
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for announcing in a public announcement of investigations that could help the president politically. something he was very concerned about and also said that there was a push to create to bolster the alliance between the u.s. and ukraine, have a meeting with the new ukrainian administration with the president, also that was put on ice. you will probably hear a theme throughout of concerns that rudy guiliani played, the role he played as carrying out ukraine policy and pushing for these investigations and for essentially freezing these diplomatic efforts. yeah, kate. >> i was just going to say, not to diminish the release of the testimony transcripts, because more transparency is better for everyone. but it cannot be understated, overstated how important moving to this public phase is for the public and also for republicans. this has been the move they have been calling for over and over again. >> reporter: yeah. this is something that schiff has made very clear that they would eventually do, have public
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hearings and bring back some of these individuals who have testified and, yes, republicans have been asking for this to be in an open setting him some have said what has come out is not the full picture. we will get the full picture. we've already gotten the full picture of the transcripts as marie yovanovitch's transcript has come out. we have yet to see bill taylor's transcript yet to come out. we will hear from their own voice, questions what they say happened. their concerns that they raised, how they deal with some of the questioning from republicans, who are trying to undercut the case if there was any quid pro quo. it's also a soon that this investigation is rapidly moving towards that push and eventually of impeaching this president. because after the public hearings e hearing phase, kate, then we will see both potentially in the house judiciary committee for articles of impeachment after they consider, have their own hearings, then that can happen in the full house, a vote to impeach this president potentially by the end of the
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year. of course, that would be absolutely historic, the third time in history that would happen. schiff indicating here, three public hearings next week with key individuals who witnessed all of these events. he says there will be more witnesses to come. >> and that's also an important note, manu, great reporting. is that this is three very big witnesses that have really driven the direction of kind of where the investigation has gone because of their testimonies. that's happening next week and that's not the end of it. manu, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. we will have much more on this breaking nassau. public hearings now scheduled in the impeachment inquiry. much more after break. devices are like doorways
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yovanovitch, all three of those have key testimony behind closed doors, testifying for hours before lawmakers and now they will be facing questioning from democrats and republicans publicly next week and as manu raju reported, that is just the beginning. but the public phase now begins. joining me now a former congressman from pennsylvania, charlie dent. thank you for coming in. you've sat in many a hearing on capitol hill. what is next week going to look like? >> reporter:well, it's going to be quite a show, kate. first i think we have ambassador taylor and yovanovitch. i think taylor's public performance will probably be very impressive. we all read his opening statement, which was powerful. now let's see what he says on television with yovanovitch comes off as the victim here, she was horribly treated. i think he is also very credible. what happened behind closed
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doors is going to come out for the public to see this transparency, my republican friends say they want this out in the open. i don't think this will help their case. both three of these folks are very credible witnesses. >> seriously, is there a way to avoid this becoming a complete show? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, well, i don't know, what do you do to bill taylor? do you attack him? he went to west point. he's got a distinguished service record serving republican presidents. i don't know how you attack him. >> yeah. >> reporter: or even ambassador yovanovitch. i'm not sure about george kent. i don't see easy attacks on any of these folks. >> so you've seen the reaction from your republican colleagues throughout the process and since that big revision from sondland last night. some of their reaction. do you see a universal possibility where what is said publicly changes, changed, sways opinion of your former
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republican colleagues? >> reporter: well, i think what will happen is my former republican colleagues will be forced to acknowledge that the president's conduct as it relates to ukraine was simply awful. they can't defend him. they can't try to defend it, even bashing the process isn't doing them any good. so they have to acknowledge the behavior was terrible. now, whether or not this rises to the level of impeachable defense is another debate they may want to have. but i think they cannot simply defend the conduct. >> that's exactly right so we will keep our eye on this picture. cameras are up. so i'm assuming adam schiff might be walking out. here he is. >> we are in the middle of a deposition involving ambassador hale, who is the third most senior official at the state department and a top career official at the state department. so i'm going to have to keep this brief. but first of all, i want to thank ambassador hale for being here, for obeying the law, for following the lawful subpoena that we issued.
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we wish others would show the same courage and dedication to the law that ambassador hale is demonstrating here today. i want to let you know, as you may know already, that we will gen our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week. we will be beginning with testimony of ambassador taylor and ambassador kent on wednesday and we will have ambassador yovanovitch testify on friday. these will be the first of the open hearings. and i think you will see throughout the course of the testimony not only their testimony but many others the most important facts are largely not contested. we are getting an increasing appreciation for just what took place during the course of the last year and the degree to withty president enlisted the whole departments of government in the elicit aim of trying to get ukraine to dig up dirt on a
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political opponent as well as further conspiracy theory of the 2016 election that he believed would be beneficial to his re-election campaign so those open hearings will be an opportunity for the american people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves, to make their own determinations about the credibility of the witnesses, but also to learn first hand about the facts of the president's misconduct. along those lines, today we will be releasing the deposition transcript of ambassador taylor, so people will have the opportunity to read about that deposition as well. and what americans will see from that transcript is what they have seen from the others that the gop claims to be locked out, prohibitive from participating, unable to ask questions, are simply false. ambassador taylor's deposition as indeed every deposition republican member versus had equal opportunity to ask any questions they like. i think you will see in the
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transcript what a dedicated public servant ambassador taylor is, someone who graduated from west point, someone who served in vietnam, someone who i think is performing another vital service for the country in relating the facts that came to his attention, the very disturbing facts that came to his attention. so we move forward with the open phase of the impeachment inquiry. we still have some remaining depositions to do. which we'll be conduct over the next couple of days. and with that, we are going to head back. thank you. >> and there you have the chairman of the house intelligence committee not taking questions, heading back into the interview continues with the top state department official david hale. but giving all, repeating the breaking news we have announced on twitter. with pe still is the political analyst cnn political an cyst still here with me.
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thank you so much, congress men for stick around. i appreciate it. congressman, we know about bill taylor and we also learned that his testimony is going to be released today. so there will be much more to come. but we do know from bill taylor's opening statement that had been released when he testified, that they, the ukraine, u.s. aid to ukraine was explicitly tied to the country's kind of willing ins to announce an investigation into president trump's political rivals. >> that is one of the big headlines that came from that testimony. and i'm sitting here wondering, it's one thing to read it in a testimony, in a transcript. what is that going to feel like and will it be different when he says that publicly next week? >> yeah, i think he's -- absolutely, i think it's going to be very powerful. this man, will you see this guy with decades worth of service. will you talk about his military
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record as well as his foreign service. he's going to lay it out. he's going to talk about, there was an express it quid pro quo. and now people are going to judge there man. they're going to see him in the flesh, they're probably going to find out this man is quite credible, he's got a powerful presentation, so i think this is simply reenforce what is he said behind closed doors and in that opening statement, i think it's very detrimental to the president's cause. >> it's also unclear kind of as this now announced marker that it's going into this public phase, does that mean that the desire to have nick mulvaney come testify? the desire to have john bolton testify, does that now all go away when they move into public testimony? that's unclear, but this is definitely moving into a very important next phase. >> yeah. and i would not expect any of that pressure to go away. the democrats have made pretty clear that they, this new phase
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will exist on two tracks. it will begin, the public testimony while continuing to try to take deposition or talk with people behind the scenes, but there is a couple things i would flag, number 1, this will be the first big test of whether putting some of these people on camera can permeate american consciousness outside the beltway and make this issue more understandable. >> freight point. >> or something of -- >> great point. >> or something across the country. to republicans critical of the democrat's process until now, have been saying, let's have this out in the open. this shouldn't be happening behind closed doors. they will get what they asked for. i'm not sure what they want. schiff and pelosi have chosen two of the most prophet ig figures they can to present in this initial rollout. these are people that want to speak publicly. with know efrom bill taylor he was leaving bread crumbs in those text chains knowing it would be a record, flagging it saying this is wrong, is this
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what's happening? is this a quid pro quo? why is it happening? he will get to tell that story that he has obviously wanted to start telling. >> that will start happening next week. >> mrg, thank you so much. congressman, while i still have you taking a left turn but always relate it because this is all wrapped up in politics, but so as everything is, i do want to ask you because of the big results last night from the governor's race if kentucky and what happened in virginia, you know, i think there is a very important question to be asked and from your perspective, what do you think the lesson is or should be for republicans after those losses last night? >> sure. what happened last night is simply a continuation of what happened in 2017 and 2018, where republicans are experiencing enormous losses bloodleting, a wipeout in suburban and to a certain extent in urban communities. look at northern virginia alone,
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in fairfax, alexandria, arlington, there are 26 state house seats there. the republican versus zero. zero. and in loudoun county, they're doing marginally better. they're wiped out. i saw the same thing in suburban philadelphia. one other lesson i learned last night, too, the democrats are not talking medicare for all or criminalizing illegal border crossing or grand new deal. they're talking about medicaid. republican versus to learn a lesson there, too, medicaid was a very big issue in kentucky and will be in this louisiana gubernatorial race in a few weeks. so i think that's a lesson that republicans better learn that this simply willie nillie trying to take away medicaid will not necessarily help new a state like kentucky or louisiana so there are plenty of lessons, oh, the donald trump's endorsement. >> yeah. >> did not help in those suburban communities in kentucky. i mean, why bring trump in, if you need to improve yourself in the suburbs, why would you bring trump in for that? okay, he will do well in the
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rural areas that endorsement didn't help. bevin was extremely unpopular to be sure. the trump endorsement probably hurt him in those suburban communities, where he needed to to better. >> fascinating. i am having de ja vu from conversations in 2017 and 2018 after the mid-terms. we'll continue to have them. thank you very much, i appreciate it. we'll be right back. so many moi. but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back... neutrogena® and for body... hydro boost body gel cream. so it bounces back... there's a company that's talked than me: jd power.people 448,134 to be exact. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories about vehicle quality. and when they were done, chevy earned more j.d. power quality awards across cars, trucks and suvs than any other brand over the last four years. so on behalf of chevrolet, i want to say "thank you, real people."
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breaking news, in the impeachment inquiry house intel chairman adam schiff announcing just now that the first public hearings in the inquiry will begin next week. three witnesses will be called to testify before congress publicly. ambassadors bill taylor, ambassador marie yovanovitch and state department official george kent. the transcript of bill taylor's closed-door testimony will be released today. that was announced just moments ago. manu raju just caught up with republican congressman jim jordan. >> reporter: both testified that sondland was told by the president this is the reason why the ukraine aid was held up. >> he said there was no quid pro quo.
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i want zelensky to do what he said. what did zelensky say he wanted to do? it's on the all. he said i want to drain the swamp just like they're doing in washington. no quid pro quo. i want zelensky to do what he said. he said i want to drain the swamp in ukraine. >> that from jim jordan just now. we'll continue to bring that to you. back to 2020 politics real quick. condescending and elitism. former vice president joe biden is right now sharpening his attack against senator elizabeth warren with some of his harshest words yet. first writing this in a pretty biting post about warren accusing him of repeating republican talking points. it's representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share. we know best, you know nothing.
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if you were only as smart as i am you would agree with me. >> if you don't agree with elizabeth warren, you must somehow be not a democrat. you must somehow be corrupt. you must not be as smart as she i. that's not who we are. the elitist attitude about either my way or the highway, you mustn't know what you're talking about if you disagree with me. >> the vice president has been sharpening his attack against elizabeth warren really in the last week especially. why does the campaign feel the need to go this direction right now? it's harsh. >> look, he believes that we are in a really damaging place in our politics if we can't disagree on the details about
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how to get to a shared goal, universal coverage, without dismissing those who disagree as small thinkers or not willing to take on a challenge. i think medicare for all is a perfect example. the fact is the vast majority of democratic voters believe that protecting and defending the affordable care act is the best way to expand health coverage in this country. i think the election results last night bore that out too. you had a candidate in kentucky who made an aggressive case for expanding the affordable care act. joe biden makes the argument to expanding medicare for the middle class and passing sensible gun reform. do we put forward a candidate who believes that bringing people in is the way to get things done, or do we put forward a candidate who believes that pushing people out is the way to get things done.
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he's spent his entire career fighting for democratic progressive policies and getting them done. you've got to be able to bring people around to your point of view and you have to be able to win elections in order to get change done. he believes this is a fundamental question we're going to need to answer in this primary. >> biden calls warren's approach condescending to the millions of democrats who have a different view. also, he said a couple times that basically her politics smack of elitism. does joe biden think elizabeth warren is elitist? >> look, he thinks and has said for a lock time that the democratic party cannot forget its roots, that we have to talk to working class, middle class families from all corners of the country, that we have to be open to hearing them, to hearing their concerns the way that the democratic party always historically has. that's something he feels strongly about. it's part of the reason he can
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build such a broad coalition. it's why he gets more support across the breadth of the democratic party and it's really core to him and who he is. again, he spent his entire career fighting for an incredibly progressive agenda that benefits working people. i think again you saw last night that candidates who were echoing that kind of message in the election last night were successful. >> so i take that as a yes. i mean they're in the place of basically name calling at this point. i take that as a yes that joe biden thinks elizabeth warren is elitist. does this tit for tat that's going back and forth now, she saying he uses republican talking points, he says she's elitist. does this help democratic voters? >> it's not name calling. it's a fundamental question that i think most democratic voters want to see somebody who can get things done, who can make change. we have a president now in donald trump who doesn't get
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things done for people, who's incredibly divisive. i big piece of why democratic voters are responding so well to joe biden's message is he's talking about bringing the country together. it doesn't mean we're going to agree on every detail. you've seen that throughout his career. there is a fundamental question here that i think is really important that is at the center of this campaign, which is, you know, are we going to put somebody forward who is going to bring people in, who is going to be able to win some of these key battleground states that are critical for a democrat to win in 2020. joe biden is that candidate and the reason that he's that candidate, the reason that we saw this polling this week showing that he beats trump in some of these key battleground states, and the reason for that is because he appeals to what people want which is a sense that their elected officials are fighting for them, are going to
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be able to make real change. he has a track record of doing that. i think he's the only candidate in this primary who can say i took on the nra and won. i got the affordable care act along with president obama over the finish line. i got the recovery act done because i was able to flip republican senators to vote for it. that's the way democracy works. that's the way politics work. that's why voters are so responsive to his message, because he knows he's going to be the person to get it done for them. >> we'll see this fight continue on the campaign trail. thanks so much for coming in. thank you all so much for joining me. a wild day here on "at this hour." "inside politics" with john king starts right now. ♪ ♪
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thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. big impeachment inquiry news. democrats announce public hearings beginning next week. up first, key diplomats who in private testimony offers damning takes on a ukraine policy they say was corrupted by the president's personal political vendettas and by his personal lawyer rudy giuliani. plus, another big trump era election night for democrats. the democrats now poised to seize the kentucky governor's office. they flipped the virginia legislature and local posts across the philadelphia suburbs. turnout was upmost everywhere suggesting a highly energized electorate heading into the presidential year. and the suburban revolt against trumpism deepens, making the president's state by state path to victory even more narrow next year than it was in 2016. pennsylvania is a case study, but harder does not mean impossible given the president's fice


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