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pro quo analysis? did he have to perform on internationally to say he was reopening the barisma case implicating hunter biden in some way? this will now tell us all that had been lacking. >> and thank you so much. news room with brook baldwin starts right now. >> brianna, we'll take it. thank you so much. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news. the transcript from one of the most compelling witnesses in the impeachment inquiry has just been released. hot off the presses. ex eith excerpts. when ambassador bill taylor, his testimony reverb rated even among republicans on capitol hill. so as we start sorting through this transcript, let's begin
this hour with kylie atwood who is in washington. kylie, i know we're all just start to go read this transcript. what do you know about any key excerpts so far? >> yeah. well, brooke, we are just going through this. it's over 300 pages. detailing everything specifically that bill taylor, the top u.s. diplomate in use crane told lawmakers. what was key about bill taylor's testimony is that we saw the opening statement. that in and of itself was 15 pages. and he went through a very detailed account of everything that he has documented over the last few months as the top u.s. diplomate in ukraine. after he gave that opening statement in which he told lawmakers that he was told by ambassador gordon sondland that everything, including u.s. security assistance, ukraine getting that security assistance, was dependent on ukraine coming out and publicly saying that it would be opening investigations into with
burisma, biden and the 2016 elections. so he said that in the opening statement which, of course, we have now learned, after gordon sondland went back and revised his testimony that he did, in fact, tell bill taylor that. now, gordon sondland is a key player here because he was in touch with president trump repetitively over the last few months. but the interesting thing is, you look at this transcript, the few few pages after that opening statement is that lawmakers are questioning how bill taylor came up with such a detailed account here. and bill taylor tells him, there are three ways that he did that. it's the whatsapp messages that we have now seen copies of some of those between him and kurt volker who was the special envoy to ukraine and gordon sondland, ambassador to the eu, and he also has a small notebook he brought to each of his meetings. in addition to that, he had a
spiral notebook on his desk which he took notes in. so he had a very, very specifc way of keeping notes and that's how he was able to provide such detailed testimony. but we are still now getting to the heart of what he told law eshg mas beyond what was an explosive opening statement. >> kylie, thank you. for now, let's go to manu raju on capitol hill. what have you been able to read so far? >> yeah. this is just coming out now. we're learning about some of his interactions he had about why the security aid had been withhold and his interactions with the key player in all of this, which is gordon sondland, ambassador to the european union, someone told him that the president wanted to withhold u.s. security aid to ukraine in exchange for this public declaration of these investigations that could help the president politically. i am reading an excerpt here where he said ambassador
sondland had investigations with an oval office meeting for president zelensky. that meeting has been central to this investigation. president zelensky, in addition to pushing for this vital security aid to combat russian aggression, also wanted to have a meeting with the -- with president trump after zelensky had been naurg naurteininaugurad earlier this year. but according to what bill taylor is testifying here, he said that was conditioned to the declaration of investigations and that backs up with other witnesses have also testified to that these investigations were predicated until these -- this decision was made about announcing these investigations, even gordon sondland himself indicated that the president would not move forward bolstering this effort to improve this alliance until there was a public declaration or until he dealt with rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney who is dealing with ukraine policy outside of
normal diplomatic channels. but, brooke, we are still reading a lot of the details here. this is an extensive transcript that really goes to the backbone of this democratic impeachment inquiry, that the president sought a foreign power to investigate his political rivals and, according to bill taylor's testimony, he was told that this was all linked to that push to release aid that had already been approved for ukraine. so we'll get more into the details as we look at this a little further, but he is a key witness, he is the first witness who will come forward next week. so we'll essentially apply the backbone to the democrats' investigation here of the president's push in their view to interfere in -- or a foreign power to interfere in the 2020 elections and also, in their view, abusing the power of his office. brooke. >> manu, thank you. take a beat. keep reading for me. let me bring in two more incredible minds, john dean, cnn
contributor john dean, richard nixon's white house counsel and cooperated with white house investigators against nixon. paul cowen is a former prosecutor and now a cnn analyst. just a couple of notes. talking bill taylor served under every democrat and republican administration since 1985. so he was a career public servant. came out of retirement to take the job. i remember reading his opening statement, he talked about how he cares so much about ukraine and the u.s. relationship with ukraine, talked about how necessary that military aid was, talked about the thousands of ukrainian soldiers that have been killed in the war and john dean, first to you, sir, just to piggyback off of manu's point, he is the first witness, you know, for the public testimony next wednesday. why is he so key for democrats? >> he is obviously in a position, brooke, that he can lay out what happened. he can give americans an
overview and he's a very credible witness. he has great credentials to explain what's going on. he's privy to much of what went on. and that will be very powerful. obviously, the committee has already seen him and his abilities in closed session. so they probably selected him base odd that and said this is the man to start explaining this to americans. >> this is the man with the notes, paul cowen, this is the man with the proverbial receipts. you've been reading a little bit and i see stars. what are your takeaways? >> one of the things that jumped out at me was reference to a july 10th meeting with ukrainian officials. >> the one at the white house, right? >> yes. that john bolton, national security adviser to the president, was attending. and someone raised the question of the investigations and was zelensky supporting the idea of
investigations. bolton became so angry and he said we don't do politics here and he terminated the meeting immediately. so this suggests that john battlon, who has been a major conservative voice in the administration, felt that any discussion of these investigations was totally improper in terms of the way to conduct foreign policy. and i think that's a very, very important corroborating witness for the democrats that will prove to be very damaging to the president. >> that's john bolton. i think at the end of the day, isn't the challenge for democrats to connect this to president trump, who gave the directive to whole this military aid? >> it would be -- the democrats would think it wonderful, of course, if they could find somebody to connect it directly to the president. but you can connect events to the president through circumstantial evidence. this is done in all kinds of court cases. you can connect in a second way and you can do that by looking
at sort of the code language that the president was using with zelensky to send the message that if you don't do this investigation, they will pay a price. there are ways to put this together. we're on with john dean now and john keen could tell you when the watergate hearings were going on and john dean testified, john dean had one of the most remarkable memories in the watergate testimony. the thing that really validated john dean's testimony was the existence of the nixon tapes. now, i don't think we're going to have such tapes in this case, so we're going to have to depend upon the john deans of the trump administration to testify. >> right. >> to that point, john dean, you know, we know that the white house is apparently most concerned about this witness, about this career public servant, bill taylor.
can understand why? >> i can. he can be a very, very bad witness for the president. while he may not have had direct dealings with the president on these issues, that won't matter in the long run. he can, as was said, paint a circumstantial case that could be devastating for the president, that could only happen because of the president. one of the difficulties they're having right now is getting witnesses to continue to come up to testify. and one of the things they're going to have to do is build the case that it's the president that's blocking these. this taylor knows about this and it's the sort of witness from his vantage point that can explain this to the audience or to the american people who we are all the audience and there is a theater element to this, let me tell you, brook. i didn't realize when during watergate people said to me
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was alarmed when he learned through channels that the office of budget management had withheld the aid to ukraine and he learned that the directive came from the president. this came in his aftermath to release that nearly $400 million of aid to ukraine because it was so vital to push back against russian aggression. they were so dependent on this military aid that had already been approved through congress. and he learns through the course of his tenure while serving with the top diplomate why it was withhold. and he says he had a conversation with gordon sondland, and sondland makes very clear that president trump had told him, according to taylor, president trump had told ambassador sondland that he wanted president zelensky of ukraine to state publicly that ukraine will investigate burisma and alleged ukrainian interference in the 2016
election. burisma is in reference to the former vice president's son sat on the board with. so what taylor is saying here is that he learns from gordon sondland that the president told sondland that he would not release this aid until these investigations were publicly announced. and that essentially corroborates what other people have said also in their testimony. now, he goes on to talk more about his conversations with gordon sondland. a lot of this, as you know, brooke, we've learned from the release of his opening statement which details a lot of these conversations, but it provides a lot more detail.
we are going through those details, several hundred pages worth of back and forth. but he makes very clear that he learns through his colleagues, through other u.s. officials that that is the reason why this aid had been withheld. and he raised concerns about the notion of a quid pro quo and ultimately this aid was released. because the ptd didn't tell him directly, but he testifies that he spoke to an individual who talked to the president who made that very clear, which is why that aid had been withheld. so that is a significant development, something we will hear in public when bill taylor testifies next week, brook. >> i'm going to use that point as my springboard. thank you very much. i'll ask you keep reading. john dean is back with my as is paul cowen. laura, you're fresh up on this.
so you first. to manu's point about how taylor had testified that ambassador sondland said he wanted zelensky to say publicly that they will -- the ukraine will investigate burisma and any alleged interference in the election, let me read part of this because i just -- why not? this is bill taylor talking. he says ambassador sondland told me that he zelensky was dependent on a public investigation. he says president zelensky was in a box by making a public statement about ordering such investigations. so to manu's point, it's not directly coming from president trump, but it sounds like it's trump to sondland to taylor. is that good enough for
democrats here? >> he doesn't suggest all this has been freelanced. when you talk about what is good enough, frankly, you talk about prosecutorial discretion and prerogative in a criminal case. when it comes to impeachment, we're talking about whatever it is congress says is sufficient to constitute abuse of power. frankly, the pure breadth of this system that you're seem outlines the abuse of power that you're seeing that is part and parcel to the impeachment inquiry for a variety of reasons. the notion that what bill taylor seems to be very concerned about is the overwhelming and cannot be overstated leverage that the united states had with respect to ukraine. he even outlines it and describes what would be called the russian nightmare scenario where russia is watching this all happen, seeing that ukraine is beholden to america and, most importantly, that they will wade in by that being in the box television interview, they will wade into the controversy, they will assert themselves as being partisan and they will lose the bipartisan support that granted them the very aid that we're
talking about. that testimony sounds a lot like what colonel vinman was talking about when they said, hold on a second, we can't weigh into diplomatic efforts, we can't have that when we have congressionally appropriated funding and diplomacy is on the line. there is one line that i thought was really important, and that is he talks about on page 9, he actually says, when bill taylor speaks to ambassador sondland, he said in that same call about being in the box, i told ambassador sondland that president trump should have more respect for another head of state and that what he descried was not in the interest of either president trump or president zelensky. so even then, he was saying, this is not in the interest of the united states of america and having zero respect in a
diplomatic setting, that sounds a lot to me like grounds for an abuse of power allegation. >> hold that thought, everyone. we're getting more breaking news overseas. this is the breaking news now. in amsterdam, dutch authorities say they are currently investigating a suspicious situation on board a plane at skippel international airport. nic robertson is following this for us. amsterdam, a huge internal hub. what's going on? >> 67,000 people work at this airport. there are more than 500 outlets within the complex at the airport itself. what we know, a suspicious situation is currently taking place on an aircraft. this began a little under an hour ago. this is what the royal dutch police have announced. they say stand by for more details. what we understand from the dutch national broadcaster at the moment is that multiple
emergency and security vehicles have been seen heading towards the airport. the dutch national broadcaster says that they understand the situation that surround way to the airport has a threat to the well being, a threat to life of the people in the immediate vicinity. that hasn't been clard phi yet by the dutch police, but what we understand at the moment is that there is a huge security operation under way at the airport, that the aircraft in question is on the ground, that the suspicious situation is on board the aircraft, it's not clear to us yet if the aircraft is still at the gate or if it's out on the taxi way. but what we do know about shippel, it does security right at the gate, the very last thing before you get on board the aircraft is that security check.
at the moment, though, we're waiting for the dutch police to provide more details. >> we'll stay in close contact with you, nick. thank you very much. as soon as you get more when you say threat to life in the immediate vicinity, we want to know more. so thank you very much. we'll stay on that. we're getting new excerpts from this testimony in the impeachment investigation describing quid pro quo on ukraine. stand by. - [narrator] meet the ninja foodi air fry oven. make family-sized meals fast, and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away.
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and we're back with more breaking news. let's go back to this bill taylor transcript. he is the first person who will be testifying in this public impeachment inquiry next wednesday. we now have his transcript. kylie atwood, what section are you highlighting? >> so we're getting a little bit more details with regard to bill taylor who was recruited from retirement to take this job by secretary of state mike pompeo. and it was pulled in after ambassador yavonovich extensively was pushed out of the job because trump lost confidence in her. but bill taylor didn't initially want to take the job. what he told lawmakers is that when he saw sat down with secretary of state mike pompeo to discuss the situation at the state department, he said that,
quote, all to say i was concerned that there was, i think i put it, a snake pit in kiev and a snake pit here and i was not sure that i could usefully serve in that context. so he described secretary pompeo commit to go u.s. policy with regard to ukraine and he also said the giuliani did not come up in that conversation. but there was a conversation about a congratulatory note that had not gone through yet, by taylor noted that. that statement did go forth. what we're learning here is that bill taylor was hesitant. he didn't necessarily want to take this job at the beginning. he was convinced to take the job. but then, of course, we know, brooke, that he grew more and more frustrated as he saw this parallel foreign policy carried out about the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani.
and we know he wrote a memo to secretary pompeo expressing his concerns about that policy in late august and he never received a notice back, anything back from secretary pompeo on this front. we should note that as we are reviewing this transcript from bill taylor, the top u.s. diplomate in ukraine, he is on the job in ukraine right now. he is still serving in that post. he is not among the officials who have resigned in the wake of this impeachment inquiry and he is one of the folks who is already on the schedule to come back and speak to lawmakers in a public testimony next week. and that is when adam schiff told folks today it will be up to those watching to determine what they think about the legitimacy of those coming farther and those who are telling their story, their version of events and with regard to bill taylor, he is really the one who laid out the elements that amount to a quid pro quo. >> yeah.
no, and to your point, this is a man who came out of retirement to take this job, and he was recreated by mike pompeo, the secretary of state, to take this job. kylie, thank you very much. paul cowen, let's talk john bolton. john bolton comes up with a couple of times here in this testimony who was the former national security adviser. september 28th, 2019, it was suggested john bolton write a cable to secretary pompeo about president trump's hold on aid to ukraine to get attention back there. it is so clear that the texts between sondland and taylor, it was against everything in him to understand why the u.s. was withholding these $400 million. and what about john bolton is so key in all of this?
i thi . >> i think john builton in conservative circles was considered conservative and it's clear that bolton thought this was a severe violation of established protocol in negotiations with a foreign country, that it would be bad for the united states. and what struck me about his involvement, it's like the involvement of every diplomate around the ukraine issue. they're all stunned that the president is threatening the president of ukraine that $400 million in aid is going to be cut off unless he agrees to investigate the bidens. and at the very beginning of the analysis of this transcript, i note that as early as may, the president conveyed a message that he had a back channel through giuliani and that something irregular was going
happen. >> what's the quote, it was during a meeting in may of '19, trump made clear to those in the irregular channel that in order for zelensky to get this oval office meeting that they needed to, quote, work with rudy giuliani. we're learning how bill taylor talked about this nightmare scenario involving the russians. we'll be right back. anyone can deliver pizza.
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its message and strategy as they are facing house democrats in this impeachment investigation which as you just noted is ramping up with the announcement of these public hearings. both of these aids are only expected to be brought on a temporary basis. while both of these aids are coming on and saying it's not just going to be about impeachment, the timing lines up with that and that is what they are going to be helping the administration with, brooke. the white house has been denying for several weeks now that they needed to add any staffers to their ranks. but this is acknowledgement that they are dooelg going to need help especially with these transcripts being released, these witnesses coming back to capitol hill, and that is what they are hoping these two aides are going to be able to do.
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better. don't wait. get your info kit now! update on the breaking story out of amsterdam, dutch authorities say they are investigating a suspicious situation on board a plane at schiphol airport. nic, what is the story now? >> the latest we're hearing is passengers and crew are safely off the aircraft. they say their investigation continues. these are very limited details. we don't know what the investigation that continues is still looking for. we're not clear at the moment if there were other people other than the passengers and crew on
board who may have been taken into custody. what we understood from the dutch police what that they were investigating the suspicious incident on board an aircraft, that emergency services have been deployed. they believed there were 27 passengers on board the aircraft. they believe the pilot had triggered an alarm indicating a potential high jacking situation. these are details from the dutch national broadcaster. the dutch police have yet to provide details. we've seen passengers being held in other areas of the airport, flight radar 24, that flight tracking radar system indicated
that there was an emergency situation at the schiphol airport, that the gates in the areas a and d, the even numbered gates, the aircraft due to go to their gates had been directed to hard stands. but as the situation stands right now, the dutch police are saying that their investigation continues and we wait to get more details. >> nic, thank you. let us know. in the meantime, josh campbell is joining us. josh is our law enforcement analyst, spent years with the fbi. so when you hear some of what nic is reporting and thank goodness, everyone sounds to be okay, but the investigation has only just begun. what will they be looking at? >> absolutely. and very little details right now that we're hearing from officials. we can imagine at this point in time, their focus is on mitigating whatever this issue
is. anyone who has flown in and out of schiphol airport knows this is a massive air field. we don't know if this happened at a gate. those are details we don't yet have. but information is coming from military police who appear to be controlling the flow of information as they attempt to determine what happened. what we don't yet know, there are a multitude of ways that an aircraft crew can signal there is an issue on board. we all have cell phones now. we don't know if that local reporting, whether that was accidental or whether that was in response to some type of incident. so this is causing massive interruptions at that airport. this is europe's third largest
airport. the good niews, brooke, the passengers are now off that aircraft. >> thank you very much. let's switch gears and talk politics for the first time in decades. a clean sweep for democrats in virginia as they claim majorities in both the statehouse and the senate. in kentucky, a state that president trump won by 30 points just three years ago, democrat andy bashear earned more votes than matt bevin. bashear is calling it a victory, although bevin has yet to concede. lieutenant governor tate reeves avoided an upset, but today, a source close to the white house had this assessment, telling cnn that last night's results, and
i'm quoting here, totally bad. kentucky and virginia signaled to the gop that they are underestimating voter intensity against trump and it could be terrible for them next year. bad omen for impeachment. andrew gullam is with me here. he lost that bitter battle in 2016 for florida governor. >> you, too, brooke. thanks for the reminder, by the the way. >> but we get you now. we get you here now at cnn. let me begin with just the sentiment you heard from the source over at the white house that this is dshg they're worried that this is a bad omen for impeachment. do you agree with that? >> i do. we've been listening to people on the right warn us day after day and interview after interview. and i think we found out yesterday the exact opposite.
we are talking about states all below the mason dixon line where republicans have had strong holds. a 30-point lead for the president in kentucky and to elect a democrat statewide as governor is pretty incredible. mississippi, the state of haley barbour as one that could have potentially flipped. there ought to be alarm bells going off all over the white house. that is that in spite of all the hyperbolic talk of donald trump, he has arrived in the presidency and is still not prepared to make any of the alterations necessary to grow into the position of president. this situation in ukraine, all and completely of his own making. these folks want predictability. they want a president, not someone who terrifies them every single day they open up their twitter feed and they're abandoning the republican party
at record rates right now. >> let's go back to your point about the suburbs. many are calling this anti-trump sentiment building against the president even in public republican strong holds across the south and then at that rally on monday, president trump said a poor showing. a poor showing would reflect badly on him. >> if you lose, it sends a really bad message. and here is the story. if you win, they're going to make it like ho-hum. if you lose, they're to say trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. this was the latest. you can't let that happen to me. >> who do you think the president nenergizes with comments like this, his supporters or his critics? >> i think he does both. i don't suffer illusions. i know the president has a pretty resilient base. those who are with him are going
to be with him regardless of what he does. but those are people that want to assure an election for the president. partly because i think they thought that maybe it wasn't going be as bad as many of us predicted. the truth is that it's worse. and he's offensive to the senses of the voters. 24th resent the unpredictability of this organization. now they're showing out. they showed it in 2018 and the congressional races and they reemphasized that message. many of those same flip district that's we saw in 2018, they made the same message loud and clear in places like kentucky and virginia, flipping the house and
the senate in virginia for the first time in a generation. >> your race wasn't that long ago pup juxtapose that with what happened last night and all of this said, what kind of democrat, andrew, can win elections rights now? >> i know there is a healthy department in our party right now, but i tend to believe this is going to be a race about the candidate who puts the voters at the center of the conversation, that we talk about health care. we're dealing with sophisticated voters in a lot of these places. our hair gets on fire when we hear bold agendas, but voters are making the calculation. they're saying, listen, we may still have to work with potentially a republican senate. i got closer than any democrat had in 24 years in the race for
governor in florida and came 30,000 votes short. i think we need a candidate who will put centrally the voters in mind and i think the voters are smart enough to do the rest. >> thank you for coming on. good to see you. >> of course. >> thank you. >> we will get you back to our breaking news out of washington today. this testimony of a key witness is released involving ukraine. hear what he says the president's role is in all of this. (birds chirping) (kickstart my heart by motley crue) (truck honks) (wheels screeching) (clapping) (sound of can hitting bag and bowl) (clapping) always there in crunch time.
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