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to our viewers, thank very much for watching and i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room and you can follow me on twitter and tweet the show at cnnsitroom. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. "out front" next, breaking news, new damning testimony set to come from a white house insider. why mike pence's aide said she was concerned about the president's call with ukraine. plus is mike pompeo afraid of rudy giuliani. new testimony behind closed doors today and the woman who flipped off the president and lost her job over it just got and won a new job and she's my guest. let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking news. an aide to vice president mike pence who was on president trump's now infamous call with the ukrainian president defying the white house. a source saying tonight that jennifer williams will show up to testify tomorrow in the impeachment inquiry if subpoenaed and you can bet that
speenal come early tomorrow morning. what she says could be crucial. according to our source, williams was concerned about what she heard on that call. this is the transcript from the closed-door deposition of a key impeachment witness was just released late today. top u.s. diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor using words like snake pit and nightmare under oath to describe the president's allies and the events unfolding around the quid pro quo in ukraine. we also learned today that taylor will be the first witness called by democrats in their public impeachment hearings and the ones televised set to begin next week. hooz a witness th he's a witness the white house is dependent of. president trump ignoring reporter questions today. >> are you going to watch the impeachment hearings? >> that almost never happens, that he ignores, but the president has already tried to disparage taylor. remember this?
>> he's a never trumper and his lawyer's a never trumper. >> there's no proof taylor is a never trumper and he's worked for democrats and republicans and he also earned a bronze star in the vietnam war and his testimony was under oath and it has been corroborated by others. democrats say today that taylor will be first of three witnesses to testify publicly next week. taylor and the deputy assistant secretary of state for europe and you're asia george kent both set for wednesday and on friday the former ambassador to ukraine, marie yknopfanovic wil testify. we know what he will say publicly is not good for the president. he did testify that there was a quid pro quo with ukraine and it came through the president's personal lawyer rudy giuliani and in the transcript we're seeing for the first time today, taylor was asked whether the ukrainian, quote, understood that mr. giuliani represented
president trump. aswer, they did. question, because why else would they care what rudy giuliani thought? answer, correct. giuliani obviously crucial as the under oath testimony shows and the president's allies tonight are now scrambling to put distance between giuliani and trump. here's congressman mike meadows on giuliani. >> there are a whole lot of things he does that doesn't apprise anybody. >> does that seem too much of a stretch for you, take this one from senator lindsay graham, he has an even more amazing defense of trump. >> what i can tell you about the trump policy toward the ukraine, it was incoherent. it depends on who you talk to. they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo. >> in other words, team trump was too incompetent and trump himself too incoherent to pull off a quid pro quo? that's a defense. kaitlan collins issa li live at
white house. the breaking news a big surprise that pence's aide is testifying tomorrow. >> right now she's saying she will likely go up there if she's subpoenaed and so far house democrats have been issued the subpoen subpoenas the day of the scheduled testimony and they sent the eight-page letter telling them to defy any invitations to come to capitol hill which administration officials have ignored that and jennifer williams will be interesting if she does show up tomorrow as we've been expecting so far because she is not a political appointee. she's not someone pence selected necessarily to be on the staff. she's a state department career official who was detailed to the vice president's office and has been there for several months and seen as a career official and not someone who would work inside the west wing, but she's also notable because of what she knows. she was on that july call with the president and the president of ukraine and that call that is
at the center of all of this. the questions are about what she heard. we are told by sources that she was concerned about what she heard and it is not clear and we do not believe that she registered those complaints with anyone higher up than here and we'll hear about that tomorrow and she went on that trip with the vice president where he subbed in for president trump because he was staying back at the white house to monitor an impending hurricane and on that trip to poland, that's where the vice president sat down with the ukrainian leader. pence has faced a ton of questions about his own role in this including his own role about what he said to president zelensky in poland and whether or not he brought up the bidens, something he said didn't come up and there are questions about what the president said to him. that is why jennifer williams going up to the hill tomorrow, if she does, and if she is subpoenaed which right now we are likely expecting will be something noteworthy here. of course, as the white house is still dealing with the closed-door depositions and they're gettin ready for the public hearings to start next week. >> thank you very much, kaitlan. i want to go to democratic
congressman val demings who sits on the house committee meetings. we've got the breaking news on jennifer williams. does this surprise you, congresswoman, that she's saying if she's subpoenaed tomorrow morning she'll show up and she did, indeed, have concerns about that call? >> hi, erin. first of all, let me say it's good to be back with you, and once again, i am very pleased that we have someone, miss williams who is likely to receive a lawful subpoena and actually respond to it as the law requires and as you already reported, we had some concerns she was on the call and she has first-half knowledge and has some concerns about what she heard on the call and we are just thankful that she is willing to come in and share those concerns with the intel committee. >> you heard testimony tomorrow and it would be behind closed doors and the public hearings
are set to begin next week, congresswoman. you've been releasing transcripts from the closed-door hearings from the same witnesses and what do you expect will change by having them testify publicly with the transcript and the opening statements and the conversation about what they have to say has been out there. >> it has, but you know, we said from the very beginning that we wanted to do a very methodical, very thorough investigation that was very transparent and snishlly we had, it was pertinent that we conducted interviews behind closed door, but now we've always wanted to get as much information out to the public and the public hearings would give us that opportunity. certainly the transcripts are being released, but we know that everybody may want have an opportunity to read every word, but then erin, there is nothing like hearing directly, for example, bill taylor, a 50-year
public servant, career foreign service officer and hearing exactly directly from him in that public hearing. so we think that it will certainly make a difference and we believe the public wants to hear and they will get that opportunity next week. >> so ambassador taylor linked trump directly to the quid pro quo, and you know, he was asked how he came to the conclusion that there was a quid pro quo, and according to the transcript, here's what happened. ambassador taylor says i don't know what was in the president's mind. your republican colleague lee zeldin asks, so where was this condition coming from if you're not sure it was coming from the president, taylor, i think it was coming from mr. giuliani. congressman zeldin, but not from the president? >> taylor, i don't know. congressman zeldin, did you have first-hand knowledge that confirms that the president was conditioning an investigation into burisma and alleged election ukrainian interference with the meeting with president zelensky. taylor, again, i had no
conversations with the president. zeldin, so did you have any firsthand knowledge at all to support that in taylor, firsthand, meaning had i talked to the president? no. i'd never talked to the president or any other firsthand knowledge other than communication directly with the president. tayl taylor no communication with the president. >> there was none with giuliani, only sondland and volker. i know you were in the room when that happened, congresswoman. to make the point, taylor is testifying the truth, everything that he understands it, but he didn't ever speak to the president and never spoke to rudy giuliani. are you worried you're putting too much weight on what volker -- i'm sorry, on what taylor says? >> i am absolutely not worried at all about ambassador taylor coming to testify in a public setting tomorrow and the american people will have an opportunity to see exactly why i'm not worried.
the republican, as you well know for the last month and a half have struggled to try to defend the indefensible. we also know that rudy giuliani, while as reckless as he has been was working directly at the direction of the president, and so, but i think the best person who gives us the most convincing firsthand knowledge is the president himself. if you read the readout of the call the president himself talks about i need you to do me a favor, though, to president zelensky and then goes into investigations of the bidens. so i think that's pretty clear and convincing and when we hear from ambassador taylor we'll understand why. >> congresswoman demings, i appreciate your time. thanks again. >> thank you. ? next, new details about what a top state department official said behind closed doors. what did mike pompeo reportedly
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quote, game changer. out front now, former attorney general ann millgreen, abby philip, politics editor for "the new york times," patrick heely and former gop committee counsel for the impeachment investigation, sofia nelson. abby, the reporting tonight that pompeo wouldn't defend his own ambassador in part because he was afraid of rudy giuliani who is essentially running in the cse of ukraine, certainly a separate state department. what does this tell you? >> it tells you how afraid one of president trump's favorite cabinet members is of rudy giuliani and the power that he has with president trump. giuliani has direct access to trump which not that many people really have although the president has's lengthy call compared to his ambassadors, he wants to remain in good favor with trump and he's clearly cautious of getting on the wrong side of someone who is known to once he is against you, really
mount a campaign against you with the president. remember, was there something that we probably forgot. there was this pile of papers that giuliani passed on to pompeo about ambassador ivanovich and pompeo took that pile of papers and he handed it directly to the inspector general to the state department, washing his hands of that incident, but i think what that tells me is pompeo is aware of how rudy giuliani's information campaigns can go and how dangerous it can be for trump appointees. >> and the testimony released today of the top diplomat to ukraine, bill taylor which i mentioned. he raised concerns about giuliani's work in ukraine to pompeo. pompeo will go to him and eu ambassador gordon sondland testified he raised giuliani with pompeo and according to the tra transcript pompeo rolled his eyes and said that's something he had to deal with.
he's done this. >> in mid-february you were in warsaw and so was rudy giuliani. during your time there did you meet with giuliani? >> you know, i don't talk about who i meet with. >> so you're not going say whether you met with him. when in warsaw i had a singular focus. >> so i would take that as a yes. he did meet with rudy giuliani because i think if he didn't would say no, i wouldn't have met with the president's personal lawyer in warsaw, but the bigger issue here is you have multiple people saying that they told the head of the state department that there were problems and issues and that they had concerns about things that were happening and pompeo, the buck stops with him and he's the leader of the state department. he is sanctions this kind of conduct where the president is literally using his personal lawyer to try to pressure a foreign adversary to impact the next election. you can't do the hear no evil, see no evil thing for pompeo
because he runs that department. and it's pretty incredible. sophia, what happens then to mike pompeo, it certainly appears from what we're seeing in the house of representatives you're not going to see mike pompeo testifying. >> well, nothing's going to happen to mike pompeo because president trump loves mike pompeo and vice versa. so from that standpoint, there's really no way to deal with this, and what he has not done in his proper function as secretary of state. i think as far as him testifying, that's never going to happen, as you know because the white house would then claim privilege and i think that, you know, mike pompeo's been an embarrassment if i can be direct about it. he's sat on these videos like a stepford wife it's like he's glassed over, i don't talk about this. and he's run away literally from reporters and it's not a good look on him and i can see why morale at the state department is down. it makes sense. >> we're hearing that from multiple aides that morale is
terrible, that the secretary of state's standing has been hurt and this is the person with his personal ambition with the senate and the white house run himself. how big of an issue is this for mike pompeo? >> i think it's very significant because the reality since donald trump became president, the state department has been, you know, an odd man out through now two successive secretaries of state. they've seen too much power vested in the chief of staff, the national security adviser and the defense department and others in the white house and now they thought they were getting someone with secretary pompeo who had the president's trust, had the president's support, you know, who would be empowered to defend ambassadors, defend the diplomatic corps, but then lo and behold rudy giuliani the president's personal lawyer was running a shadow foreign policy and mike pompeo who is
supposed to be the one that people could trust in the presidency, and he himself wasn't able to sort of stop this. so the state department has just been in this kind of limbo, you know, since trump took office, and i think the degree to which they look to pompeo for leadership and for stability, i think you're seeing now with the impeachment inquiry that stability just isn't there. >> abby, this comes with jennifer williams as the state department employee and not a political appointee, but was in the white house and was on that call is going to testify. she's going to answer that subpoena tomorrow and she had concerns about the call. >> every time one of these aides testifies it's clearly because they know that they're doing it with the state department opposing that decision for them to do it, but her decision is critically important and she feels like she has something to say and maybe it is that she did have concerns about it. the question will be for her why
didn't she say something when others who were on the call did, and they went to white house lawyers. >> she did not raise those concerns, but i think we're getting a little bit closer. i don't want to overstate this. it's not clear to me that jennifer williams had the kind of direct contact with trump that can be this missing link in the investigation as we go forward. >> right. >> but it really starts to answer some of the pence elements of this and how much did mike pence know and how many other people on that call had concerns about what was going on and what exactly were their concerns? was it clear to her that this was a quid pro quo? that would be yet another witness if she were to say that yet another witness who gives that line of testimony. >> it's interesting in the context of what abby is saying. again, she's current. we know morrison was slated to leave and left immediately, and these people who are currents and she's then going to defy the white house and the state department and testify and then go back to work. >> think it's courageous. we're seeing a number of folks who can easily say the white
house told me not to and i'll defy a lawful subpoena and it's incredibly important that it's not people with hindsight saying something wrong happened and it's at that moment i knew something was wrong and some people acted based on that and some people didn't and it's that moment if you hear a call and you say that's not right. the president of the united states shouldn't be doing this in the 2020 election and having that moment in time that we're now all talking about is critical. >> all of you, please stay with me. next republicans have an impeachment strategy repeatedly dismissing testimony from top diplomats except for now apparently one. >> we have the definitive could on all of this is the one from ambassador volker. >> but is it? and it's the district that went to blue for the first time in 40 years, what did these voters in georgia think of the impeachment fight? >> i do not recognize the republican party today.
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new tonight, the honest broker, republicans gushing over kurt volker, trump's special representative to ukraine after transcripts show he had no knowledge of a quid pro quo. >> ambassador volker who is the guy who has the definitive account of what took place. >> he seems to be the one honest voice in the whole thing. >> listen to volker. there was no tie in the meeting to all of this. >> listen to volker because they like what he has to say. they're obviously cherry picking
because volker does seem to be saying multiple things. keep in mind, this is the same man who wrote, quote, heard from the white house assuming president zelensky convinced his people investigate,/g slash geto the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to washington. in seizing on the parts of the syst testimony that they like and they're ignoring what six officials have testified under oath which was that there was a quid pro quo. of course, it is also very different from how trump sounded from testimonies he did not like. everyone is back with me. sophia, when it fits with their narrative, republicans love the messenger. when it doesn't, they call the witness a never trumper or, you know, otherwise denigrate the person, but it's pretty amazing that they're cherry picking the way they are with ambassador volker. >> one of the things that the senators will have to do if the president is impeached and it
moves into the senate is they have to weigh the evidence and any person regular lay person knows erin, if you have five people that say somethng happened and you've got one person that's kind of sort of saying it might have happened or maybe it didn't happen you have to weigh the credibility of those people and i think bill taylor's testimony was just stunning and sondland reversing himself and coming back and changing it, i don't think you can throw that out, and i think jim jordan has zero credibility and he just needs to go away and at the end of the day the republicans didn't get the message last night,i erin. they got shellacked and they got beat down in my home state and they got beat down in kentucky and they have to pay attention that people are kind of tired of the shenanigans. they have to get serious about this. this is a serious issue. impeaching a president is a serious issue and they need to take it seriously. >> sophia raises the point about ambassador sondland, right? the million dollar donor to the president who had been sort of
the only one trying to say no quid pro quo who has amended his testimony to say that there was before the release of that testimony yesterday from sondland, team trump kept saying there's no quid pro quo because sondland said so and he changed his testimony to say there was a quid pro quo. here's how they are speaking about their hero. >> he says exactly what president zelensky said and what the president said no quid pro quo. you want to make a big deal about his presumption. he said it was his presumption. >> when he first heard the testimony, just look at it, it was perfect and when he got edited, don't make a big deal out of it, it doesn't matter and patrick, there again, jim jordan. does he realize that he is contradicting himself completely? >> i mean, i can't read his mind, erin, but anyone with some experience in politics knows when they're flip-flopping and they're flip-flopping.
this is very transparent what's going on and the reality is that the republicans have very little evidence so far that they've been able to marshall, you know, to prove and protect president trump on -- on the quid pro quo front. there are now multiple witnesses both who have said there was a quid pro quo and you have sondland who has now flipped on this point and the reality is that when republicans sort of come out and decide to cherry pick arguments because they know that that will put them in favor, and keep them in favor with the white house, that is a political choice. that's not about following constitutional obligations and constitutional duties and you know, it's ultimately, you know, sort of a momentary way to please the president and whether that really works in the long term for people like jim jordan and others who are making these transparent moves, you know, they have to hope so, but you've
got to ask about sort of what it does to a person's credibility. >> abby, look, today cnn, this will end up at the senate and the removal trial so cnn tried to talk to republican senators is it okay for president trump to ask about political rivals and she went around parked cars and everything to avoid cameras and senator roy blunt answered it this way. >> i think that on the senate side of the building, the best thing for us to do is let all of the facts get assembled and then try to decide what they mean and they've got a different job on the house side, but our job is to look at a case, if it comes over here when it comes over here. >> the president definitely asked for these investigations. is that okay? >> and he walks away. look, they don't have a consistent message, republicans on how to deal with this. that was a very polite non-answer from senator blunt,
but it illustrates how difficult this has been for republicans. they have tried studiously to avoid answering that question which is really at the core of this issue, but they're going to have a really hard time especially if they want to proceed with the strategy that involves using ambassador volker's testimony as their star witness. volker makes it very clear he thought it was inappropriate for the president to ask for this investigation and he thought that the biden burisma issue was political in nature. so they're going to have a really difficult time because i don't know that anybody that has testified disagrees with the idea that the biden issue was not only baseless, but also political in nature and they're going to try to defend president trump on the grounds that he has the right to ask for an investigation into corruption, they'll have to get through that factual problem for them at first and i think a lot of republicans are hoping to bide more time to figure out what to do about this. >> i played this earlier in the hour and in case anyone is
joining us, i need to play people the single best current defense of team trump which is not that there was no quid pro quo, and it's not that the process is rigged and they don't have the right to defend and it's that they're too incompetent to pull it off. i give you lindsay graham. >> what i can tell you about the trump policy toward the ukraine. it was incoherent. it depends on who you talk to. they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo. >> that's your best defense? >> yeah. so i think what we're seeing is the president's defenders are in need of a defense and why they keep jumping from person to person and story to story is that the simple answer to the question was should a foreign power be asked to provide political dirt for an upcoming election is no, it's not an appropriate thing to do, so they're spinning now to come up with it. >> they're literally too dumb to do it. every person in america who has gotten a traffic ticket and speeding ticket would love to
say i was too dumb to know or not paying attention. that is never a defense in the united states of america and to me it falls short in so many ways to say they were too incompetent to actually do something wrong. >> and it is undermined by the fact that there were so many, forts made to obscure what they were doing. the fact that it went through the back channel, and they tried to keep people off the call. they tried to lock down the transcript of the call. those things really undermined this idea that somehow they were just fumbling through this and didn't know what was going on. >> sophia, i happeneded to ask you, they like the idea as having hunter biden, but it being happen in the senate. is that a good idea? >> it's outrageous, i don't know what hunter biden has to do with whether or not the president of the united states of america engaged in a quid pro quo with the ukrainian president. i mean, again, i go back to my
point, erin. the republicans are playing with fire. i know they think it's cute and they think it's funny, but they're not reading the tea leaves about where the country is with this and where people are feeling about how they're conducting themselves. they're not treating this seriously and rand paul with these attacks on the whistle-blower and kennedy and now they want to bring in hunter biden. it's not going to work out good for them. it's just not. >> thank you all very much. next, republicans with a wake-up call after last night's election, what they're conceding heading into 2020. and she lost her job after giving trump the middle finger. so she decided to won for office and she won a new job last night. she's out front next. t?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick.
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>> reporter: democrat lucy mcbath's victory last fall in georgia's 6th congressional district, wasn't just significant. it was seismic. how do i know? because this is my district. i've lived in the 6th for over 20 years. located in atlanta's northern suburb, decades ago it brought america newt gingrich, mitt romney and john mccain carried the 6th comfortably. mcbath is the first democrat to win in 40 years and her win helped democrats win back the house. >> a growing number of activist, college-educated, mostly mothers and other transplants and some from other parties. >> my husband tells everybody i was a gun-toting li limbaugh-listening republican. >> honestly, i do not recognize the republican of today. stephens actively campaigned for mcbath and she definitely believes the president should be
impeached even though she knows it will energize republican vote e she's not worried. >> we are on a roll and there say whole wave of women that have been activated even since lucy's election. >> impeachment looms large here because lucy mcbath is one of those house democrats elected in a trump-voting district where impeachment is a tightrope walk especially since mcbath serves on the house judiciary commit. >> she's kept her head down and she's continued to work and that's the thing that republicans, they can't -- they can't -- they can't argue with that. >> actually, they do. >> i think it is a sham, and it's not as much the impeachment itself as the process that they're going to that is unprecedented in the history of this country. >> debbie fisher is also a politically active 6th district
suburbanite and sees the impeachment issue completely different. >> usa! >> joining protesters outside mcbath's local congressional office. >> she doesn't want to hear from people. >> she believes americans are suffering from trump investigation fatigue and the impeachment inquiry will backfire on democrats, hurting mcbath's re-election hopes. i see more democras, more moderates and the democrat party this way and more independents coming trump's way because of the tactics that have been used in trying to unseat our president. >> lucy mcbath's victory in the 6th district wasn't just historic, erin. it was close. she won by just 3,264 votes, which is why republicans believe that she's vulnerable come 2020. in fact, the republican party has targeted her house seat and
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county, virginia. and julie briskman is with me. i remember that photo. it was a moment does it went viral and you lost your job because of that and then it became important in your campaign. how much do you think that was helpful? >> there's no doubt that that photo and me unjustly fired from my position at work kicked off my drive an my desire to become active politically. that day that i got fired i won't home and signed up to work the polls during a statewide in 2017. and, you know, i don't know that it helped me name recognition in my community. i'm very active in my community, but definitely jump-started my activism. >> an important moment for you. what does your victory say about voter sentiment when it comes to
donald trump, do you think? >> i think it says that algonkian district loudon county and the entire state of virginia going to stand up against the trump agenda. all the voters said that yesterday. >> democrats in virginia, you point out controls the house, the senate, the governorship. you unseated an eight-year republican yourself, juli. >> yes. >> do you see last night's win as part of a larger trend? was this about trump? >> you know i didn't run on the trump issue necessarily. i ran on issues that affect my community, such as, you know, fully funding our schools, supporting working women, making sure we more intelligently develop a county that has moved up leaps and bounds since i first moved there. times i would knock on a door if you're a democrat, i'm voting for you. i don't need to hear more.
a number of republicans saying i'm not voting republican again until this administration is gone. so i think it says a lot. i think that virginia set the tone for 2020, in my opinion. >> you did hear that particular republicans, really interesting. anecdotally you would share that, juli. >> yes. >> when i saw that picture i was torn. interesting to hear you talk ow significant it was for you personally. it was a moment. you lost your job. you became active politically. it's why you're sitting where you are right now because it motivated you. >> yes. >> i'm sure you weren't expecting it, at the heat of the moment didn't expect to be caught on camera, obviously. >> no. >> any regrets how the message came across or how you showed your anger at the president and the office of the president? >> i don't really have any regrets for stating my opinion that day. no. not at all. i mean, things were -- everything that we thought could go wrong was going wrong at the time. the hateful rhetoric, the
criticisms and discrimination against immigrants. everything we thought could go bad was going bad at the time and it's just gotten worse. in fact, no. i don't have any regrets about it, and i think that you know, like i said. virginia has spoken, and virginia has rebuked the entire agenda of the trump administration. >> appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> juli briskman. next, the sure-fire way to jog your memory. ♪ he'd be proud of us. a family business should stay in the family. see how lincoln's insurance solutions can help protect your family, your business and everyone who counts on you, at lincolnfinancial.com
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refreshed. >> reporter: voices drip with skepticism. >> he now remembered. amended. that's right. corrected, on sondland's revision. >> all of a sudden reeb rememb this? what's going on? >> what do you think jogged his memory? >> reporter: jail, the number one answer. the idea of using a stainless steel toilet every day does wonders to jog the memory. >> maybe taking omega 3 vitamins? effective against perjury they say. >> reporter: he used terms like, refreshed my recollection, and i now do recall. >> this is quite a refresh of your memory. >> reporter: equally refreshing the snarky headlines. oh, that pro quo. oh, now i remember. memory refreshed a reference to the tommy lee jones line from "the fugitive." >> here to revise your statement, sir?
>> do want to change your bull [ bleep ] story, sir? >> the ambassador denied changing anything. >> didn't change my testimony but i can't answer anything. >> reporter: chased by a couple protesters down an escalator at an international airport. >> tell the truth! >> reporter: gordon sondland had a barbra streisand moment refreshing all of those -- ♪ misty water-colored memories >> reporter: of the way his testimony was. jeanne moos, cnn ♪ memories >> reporter: new york. >> you know, escalator moments go with this administration's before we go a programming note. we have a special cnn presidential town hall coming up monday night. i'll set down with joe biden. he will take questions from voters. don't nays. monday night at 9:00 eastern only right here on cnn. thanks so much for call of
you joining us. watch "outfront" anytime. go to cnn go. right now have a great night. "360" with anderson cooper will begin, right now. good evening. tonight impeachment testimony from the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine. before you think you've heard it before you because it's the third straight day of transcripts we advise you to sit um and listen closely to what william teller said to investigators. what he said could have huge implications for investigators, for rudy giuliani and for the president, because this long-serving career diplomat a west point graduate and vietnam war vet tring called back to service by secretary of state mike pompeo told lawmakers is was his clear understanding, his words, his clear understanding, that u.s. security aid was being withheld from ukraine until cynthia cp did for president trump what would amount to personal political favors. for "domestic political gain" as taylor put it.