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watch "outfront" anytime. go to cnn go. right now have a great night. "360" with anderson cooper will begin, right now. good evening. tonight impeachment testimony from the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine. before you think you've heard it before you because it's the third straight day of transcripts we advise you to sit um and listen closely to what william teller said to investigators. what he said could have huge implications for investigators, for rudy giuliani and for the president, because this long-serving career diplomat a west point graduate and vietnam war vet tring called back to service by secretary of state mike pompeo told lawmakers is was his clear understanding, his words, his clear understanding, that u.s. security aid was being withheld from ukraine until cynthia cp did for president trump what would amount to personal political favors. for "domestic political gain" as taylor put it. he did not hear direct orders
from the president himself ambassador taylor draws a straight line to donald trump. running according to his testimony right through the president's private attorney and apparent bag man rudy giuliani. the same giuliani whose name came up 480 times in the transcripts we saw yesterday. 480 times. he is all over the testimony again tonight. and in a twist, giuliani today said he was acting solely in the interests of his client, the president. some legal experts believe claiming attorney/client privilege rather than answer very serious questions. questions which will no doubt come up a second time when ambassador taylor testifies again next week in public on camera, in person. congressman adam schiff made that announcement this morning. taylor testifies wednesday along with george kent, marie yovanovitch, the former ambassador to yovanovitch forced out testifies two days later on friday. >> you are getting an increasing
appreciation for what just took place during the course of the last year and the degree to which the president enlisted the whole departments of government in the illicit aim of trying to get ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent as well as further conspiracy theory from the 2016 election he believed would be beneficial to his election campaign. that will be an opportunity for the american people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves. to make their own determinations about the credibility of the witnesses and also to learn firsthand about the facts of the president's misconduct. >> that's a week from today. for now, the transcript of what ambassador taylor said behind closed doors is doing the speaking for him and it's clear from it he said plenty. he says he took detailed contemporaneous notes which the state department has of all the key moments he took part in and told lawmakers he warned secretary pompeo he would resin
in the long-standing policy would change and helicopter a rare first-person cable back to secretary pompeo. i'm quoting from his testimony. i wrote and transmitted such a cable august 29th describing the folly i saw in withholding military aid for ukraine when russia was watching closely to gauge the level of american support for the ukrainian government and told the secretary i could not and would not defend such policy. so what he was seeing by that time was what he testified he first heard about, on a national security conference all on the 18th of july. a staffer of the offices of management's and budget said there was a hold on security assistance on ukraine but couldn't say why. ambassador taylor picks up the story. i and others on the call sat in astonishment. ukrainians were fighting the russians and counted on training
and weapons and u.s. support all that the omb staff person said the directive came from the particular ed to chief of staff to omb. in an instant i realized ukraine was threatened. the president spoke with president zelensky and said what he wanted. on the 1st of september sondland with yermak and said no political favors, no u.s. aid. the ambassador was told about it by the national security official tim morrison. something committee chairman schiff questioned him about. quoting, chairman schiff said at that point did you understand that unless the ukrainians did this for president trump, committed to these investigations they wouldn't get that military assistance or that meeting? he responded what i know for
sure is what mr. morrison told me he must have held the anti-tell yermak. the first time i heard those two connected. schiff, when you say that, this was the first time i heard the security assistance not just the white house meeting was conditioned on the investigation talking about condition, did you mean if they didn't do this the investigations, they weren't going to get that, the meeting and the military assistance? taylor, that was my clear understanding. security you assistance money would not come until the president committed to pursue the investigation. then schiff said, so if they don't do this, they're not going to get that? your understanding? taylor, yes, sir. then chairman schiff asked him, are you aware that quid pro quo means this for that? ambassador taylor replies, i am. the very thing in the very words the president and his defenders said did not happen. today one of those defenders gave an especially novel reason
why not. the incompetent crook theory you might call it. >> it's incoherent. depends who you talk to. seem to be incapable of performing a quid pro quo. >> so the presidential policy to incoherently to effectively blackmail ukraine? you just look at mob bosses. as a general rule aren't brain surgeons but seem to do a pretty good job of blackmail and extortion. quid pro quos. keeping it honest, looking at all the testimonies, including sondland's, graham said it just doesn't ring true. the witnesses paint a clear picture of a systematic pressure campaign unfolding over several months either bypassing normal channels or compromising them to get the job done. if it didn't step from the president of the united states then this is essentially a coup, because the levers of government
were working at the behest of the president to get a quid pro quo from ukraine. military aid is put on hold. demands were made including directly by the president himself in that phone call and even frankly on television. on camera. also to china. the screws were turned on ukraine and people like ambassador taylor and others begin to see or suspect what's going on. former national security adviser john bolton did. he called it a drug deal literally. what he called it. the national security advisers said those words. in his testimony asked about that comment. question to taylor. let me ask you, who was responsible for the drug deal? responsible for setting all of this into motion? mr. sondland? ambassador sondland? taylor says, i don't think so. i think the origin of the idea to get president zelensky to say out loud he's going to investigate burisma in 2016 election, the originator was mr. giuliani. question, and he was representing whose interests? taylor, president trump.
more now on how this is received at the white house and how they're building a team to counter it with the addition of a former treasury official named pam bondi. former attorney general of florida. cnn's pamela brown joins us with the latest. >> reporter: anderson, sources say the white house views bill taylor's testimony on this explicit quid pro quo you just laid out as the most damaging so far for the president's case and there was heightened concern among aides, anderson, ahead of his public testimony. one reason, credibility. he's a former west point grad, vietnam vet, hand picked by one of the president's favorite cabinet member es mike pompeo and the white house told by republican allies he could be the hardest witness to discount. in fact, white house officials were under the impression democrats would wait until the end to have bill taylor testify. instead he's first up in a week from today. the white house realizes that the public testimony will bring
to life, make more real what has so far been conveyed through written statements, transcripts and reporting from private testimony and for bill taylor, that means sound bites of him describing president trump wanting president zelensky of ukraine to announce these political investigations in exchange for release of military aid. same time, anderson, white house aides and allies quick to point out taylor didn't speak with the president directly saying his accounts are several degrees removed. >> so, pam, for a long time questions about, is the white house going to add people to their p.r. machine to actually get people in the press office who will appear on camera, for instance, a change from stephanie grisham who runs it. may add to the impeachment messaging team, pam bondie is one of them? >> reporter: that's right. bringing on two people to help with the messages ahead of phase two starting next week. pam bondi. former attorney general of florida, and tony, former treasury department
spokesperson. play a role in crafting the response to the public hearings, rapid response. go on television to defend the president. so this is is a tacit acknowledgement the white house needed help in a strategy. republicans on capitol hill expressed frustration with. this white house is no stranger to high-profile public hearings. what happens next week is different because of what's at stake. possible impeachment. this white house is fully well versed how public hearings can have is a far greater impact on both this president who pays close attention typically and the public on what is transpired so far in the impeachment inquiry with closed door testimonies. so that is a big reason why you're seeing the white house bring on two people ahead of the public testimony next week to help with the communications strategy. >> i was surprised pam bondi. as you said, former attorney general of florida is the one after the pulse nightclub shooting pretending to be a
champion of the gay community and so caring, when, in fact, her office which actually went to court to say that gay people in florida getting married was actually a threat to the people of florida. >> reporter: right. i remember that interview well that you did with her at the time. you pressed her on that. >> she has -- likes to stick to talking points. i guess that's why the white house is bringing her on to a communications team, but the idea she's going to craft the strategy is going to be fascinating to watch. pamela brown, thank you. appreciate it. one other late-breaking item. jennifer williams an aide to vice president pence testifies tomorrow by subpoena. she was on the phone call. and testifying today, david hale said secretary pvrp p.j. was reluctant to twend marie yovanovitch because of concerns hurting efforts to get ukraine military aid. joining us, house intelligence committee member mike quigley.
congressman, appreciate you being with us. the announcement taylor will testify in the first day of public hearings, do democrats consider him to be their most important witness at this point? >> put it this way. he is clear, credible and compelling. i think criminal defense trials for about ten years and would go to trial with him any day of the week. i think he's credible and very difficult to attack as you talked about previous, but i don't think it's beyond this white house to attempt to do that, and with the other brave people who have testified so far. he is also the best, single source for describes this scheme as you started to talk about with his testimony to someone who hasn't paid attention yet. so if you want an initial hit someone to describe exactly what took place i don't know if anyone the better than ambassador taylor. >> seems now republicans are focusing on two things to
basically kind of not pay attention to any of this or say this all means nothing. they're seizing on the fact taylor according to his own testimony never spoke directly with either president trump or giuliani about the quid pro quo, and also focusing on ambassador volker who, though he said a lot of different things, could be interpreteded a lot of duff ways, republicans are saying he said there wasn't a quid pro quo even though all the others have? >> sure. i think the best way to counter that is to tell the american public when you're watching this, let's begin with the mulvaney admission just a couple weeks ago. let's begin with the president's transcript of his call with the ukrainian president, and the whistle-blower complaints. what these witnesses do is reinforce that. they corroborate that. you don't leave your common sense at the door when you're at
a trial. i also think it's important that at the trials we don't have people to read depositions, jurors. we look at these witnesses. and i think what they're going to see with these ambassadors and the bright people that testified so far is the fact that they are very credible. you believe them. so if it's just a question of reading transcripts and whether or not they feel there's a gap in the testimony, i don't think the republicans will get that far. >> the thing i don't understand about the argument of republican defenders of the president on this who said there was no quid pro quo is, how -- how do they believe this policy drive was initiated? seems like what they are saying is, it wasn't -- there's no evidence it was the president cutting off the aid and orchestrating all of this, but if it wasn't the president, i mean, it's clear there was an effort and it was widespread, long-term effort. giuliani back in ukraine in
february. i don't understand. do republicans, if you believe their argument it seems they would be saying that the president -- this cabal of giuliani and sondland and other trump supporters initiated this campaign, the president had nothing to do with it and that's hard to believe. >> again, we don't leave our common sense at the door, and the fact of the matter is that their defense has shifted depending on what's working. so far what i witness is a bunch of them run into the room and screaming at us and initially saying nothing bad happened here despite the fact they've done everything they can to cover it up and block the investigation. i've also heard an anonymous source can't allow a prosecution which is absolutely contrary to how a lot of criminal investigations begin, and it's also the backbone of the whistle-blower law. and that's what's most
disturbing at all. the fact that one of their attacks seems to be endangering the life of a very brave person, the whistle-blower. all the whistle-blower did was pull the alarm. these folks, their attitude seems to be if they were investigating an arson they'd go after the person that pulled the fire alarm. makes absolutely no sense and i think the american people will figure that out. >> any chance bolton will be subpoenaed to testify? >> i'd like to think he would want to. if he thought that rudy giuliani was a hand grenade, if he was repulsed by this and suddenly stopped this meeting, if he's called it a drug deal, in the final analysis, the real challenge here and the real danger was we're changing long-standing u.s. policy. a policy he strongly agreed with. he ought to come forward. he ought to be willing to be at least as brave as the people who have come so far and tell the
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broken no laws pressing his ukrainian counterpart to investigate though barr declined. reporter josh share as byline in the story and joins us by phone. josh, tell us more about what you learned what the president asked the attorney general to do? >> so the immediate aftermath of a transcript released on september 25th, anderson, the president was looking for key defenders to go out and say the president did not wrong. the president broke no law. the president, you've seen repeatedly, said this was a quote/unquote perfect phone call. he wanted the attorney general to have a public appearance as with the mueller report essentially said that the president had done nothing wrong there. the president loved that news conference that kind of led into the mueller report eventually coming out entirely, felt that he was a big defender of his and
that barr would do that again. this time bill barr declined. you saw at the time the justice department put out a statement citing that he did not wrong as far as the investigation that was criminal and so far barr didn't want to appear in public. remember correctly, barr was frustrated and people around him were frustrated because trump told zelensky to talk to barr and nothing ever happened. >> was he upset barr didn't make that statement? >> he certainly mentioned it to others he wanted barr to have the press conference and he didn't. that said, anderson, barr remains in the graces of the president unlike the former attorney general sessions. he warranted him to do more than he did here. >> read something else that
stands out in your article. in reasons weeks the justice department sought distance from the white house particularly than on trump's dealings in ukraine and the impeachment inquiry they sparked. any sense if the doj is just playing it safe? what accounts for the distance? >> several things. doj certainly frustrated and taken aback by the conference that day where he initially said we're a part of the positin and doj hadding in to do with it. no we didn't. we don't know what he's talking about. barr frustrated by giuliani and his many appearances. something he's said about the justice department and ukraine and upset about the president's phone call where the president intimated barr should be on the call with president zelensky. several pivotal moments the president and the justice department were not on the same page or those around the president an the justice
department were not on the same page. >> appreciate it. the story again in the "washington post" is jon line now. and joining me now is gloria borger and david gergen and carrie cordero. what do you make of this was a bridge too far for the attorney general, something he wasn't comfortable with now? it's not like he hasn't gone to bat for the president before. >> i think that probably the attorney general was frustrated his name kept coming up in a situation which he had nothing to do with, and they did put out a statement, you will recall, after the whistle-blower report saying that they didn't see any campaign finance laws that had been broken, and they ended it there. and then they later said, well, by the way, we never had anything to do with ukraine. we've never spoken about the ukrainian issue after the release of the transcript. i think that it gives us a real
inside look, though, anderson, into how the president views barr and the way the president views barr is as his personal attorney ux and he doesn't like his personal attorney not to go out and represent him and why she was so upset with jeff sessions. it's the same kind of attitude towards the department of justice which, you work for me and not the american people. >> dabvid, you worked through watergate. the attorney general operates on behalf of the constitution and the american people not the president as gloria was saying. the president clearly doesn't appreciate that or just doesn't believe in that? >> absolutely. he wants to have john mitchell-type figure who was, of course, the attorney general for richard nixon. and did his bidding on a lot of things even though mitchell grumbled about it, didn't like it, but he did it. and in this case it's clear. gloria's absolutely right. the president has a dismissive
attitude, want his own things and people to report to him. i find equally interesting even though the president clearly wanted something he was denied he usually gets angry the person who denies him and reporting in the "post" says he's expressed lots of confidence, continuing confidence in barr and what that suggests to me is the president still needs barr. barr is working on his own separate investigation that the president very much hopes is going to smashup what's coming out here on the, this impeachment thing. that is the question of whether, that all of this started way back in ukraine and it wasn't the russians and biden stuff and everything else. he's got a whole separate inquiry. been to italy twice over that and is still doing the president bidding on that and the president is leaning on it heavily to get a result, i'm sure. >> and carrie, you worked in the justice department. how unusual would this be or what signal would it send if the
attorney general decided to go out and make a statement on the president's behalf? >> unusual under normal circumstances, however, having seen how the attorney general went out and made an important and significant statement after the mueller report one could understand why the president might think he would do it again when the president appears to be in political if not legal jeopardy. i do this -- i've always been curious how the attorney general reacted when the summary of the july 25th call between the president and ukrainian president zelensky was released and the attorney general's name was invoked in the same sentence by the president along with rudy giuliani. i always wondered how attorney general barr reacted to that. something going on giuliani was doing he wasn't aware of, whether he knew the president was invoking his name the same way he invoked his personal
attorney's name and if that was surprising to him it makes sense why the justice department might be backing off this a little and not willing to go out and defend the president until they really understand what has transpired. >> the "post" mentioning the doj is putting distance between itself arnold the white house since the impeachment inquiry. no sign the president is displace pleased di displeased with barr? >> i think david's absolutely right. that the president is juggling a lot of plates right now. one of them is impeachment in ukraine. the other one, barr's investigating which is the origins of the mueller investigation. and the president wants to prove that the fbi and the cia ran amok and they were targeting him unfairly, because they don't like him. and barr is in charge of that
investigation. he's a appointed someone to tak it on but has been personally involved in it and barr was very important to trump when the mueller report came out and when he had his press conference and said there was no obstruction and created a whole narrative that when we read the mueller report seemed to be very different from what barr said. i think the president believes barr is his friend but hasn't done everything he wanted. if this continues a few more times. who knows. trump is not known for his loyalty. >> a quick break. coming up, what we referred to earlier. how often rudy giuliani keeps popping up in this ukraine affair. 900 times according to testimony thus far. we'll be right back. -excuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is...
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as far as we know tonight rudy giuliani is still one of president trump's attorneys but giuliani says he has new attorneys of his own as the impeachment kicks into gear. cited in house testimony repeatedly so far. how badly will he need them? gloria, the ambassador's tem testimony aligns with what others have said and pushback that taylor never spoke to president trump. is that a big problem for democrats do you think? >> i think the republicans are doing -- the short answer is, no. they'll get around that. what republicans are doing here is changing their excuses for donald trump all the time. first of all, no quid pro quo. now he couldn't organize a quid pro quo, if he wanted to from lindsey graham as you pointed out and now it's, well, taylor never spoke to donald trump. then look at donald trump's own
words from other testimony. may 23rd had a meeting in the oval office with three people. two of whom had testified that the president said when asked about ukraine policy, talk to rudy. so was the president telling rudy what he wanted to do with ukraine policy or was rudy directing american foreign policy? i mean, that's very frightening if that in fact were the case and they were, perhaps, doing it together, but the president's own words on the phone call also tell you what the president was offering. so to say that taylor never spoke directly, never spoke directly to the president i think is a red herring. >> david, again, i don't understand. republicans argument seems to be that -- i guess they're saying that rudy giuliani was conducting, as gloria alluded to his own reversal of u.s. policy and somehow got aid cut off. if it didn't come from the president it's not like -- i
mean, who else would it come from? >> well, we know in that may meeting as gloria said the president told these three people, go talk to rudy, and after that rudy became the driving force behind the whole effort to cut this deal. and we also know that the omb says the white house called omb saying we're putting a hold on the money. where did that come from? it came from the president. when they say, the president said talk to rudy, there's one guy who's telling rudy what to do and that's the president. there's no doubt about it. we don't speculate. that's how this system works. wouldn't be out there and clothed with all of this authority unless people thought he was speaking for the president. that's why it's oh important for rudy giuliani to testify. he's thumbing his nose at the government, at investigators. they need to crack down on that. he's so central. 500 times mentioned in this?
get him before -- by the way, the defense lindsey graham offered today. they're too incompetent? unbelievable. unbelievable. >> carrie, any chance of getting giuliani? is it going to take going to court and that hits the democrats' timeline? >> he'll challenge it and claim it's attorney/client protected information, which is amazing, because actually what rudy giuliani tweeted today is, rudy giuliani admitting that the president committed impeachable offenses. >> right. saying everything he did was at the behest of the president. >> so in his effort to try to get out of testifying or delay testifying by claiming that he is conducting activities solely at a defense attorney and, therefore, then he could make arguments about privilege, he just admitted that there are impeachable offenses which is he's not doing what people are describing that he's doing.
not conducting u.s. foreign policy. he's doing the personal business of donald trump. not president trump. donald trump. and that is an abuse of the office. >> too bad giuliani wasn't an attorney. he would know these kinds of things. thank you all very much. and a narrow win in a race up until now had gone two republicans. evidence points to the main reason for that success.
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the dust settled a bit from last night's elections a narrow victory and in the kentucky governor's race his opponent hasn't conceded. democrats in virginia meantime took control of both houses of the state legislature. with all this mostly in the books the big question, of course, what does it mean for 2020? who voted and from where? some hard to tell because no exit poll and one key thing democrats won in suburbs. terry mcauliffe, former republican from virginia and former senator rick santorum. senator santorum when you see the gains made particularly in the suburbs does it tell us anything? do republicans have a suburban problem for local elections that
have no message for democrats? >> republicans have a suburban problem, had that before this election and we'll have one after the election. look at my state of pennsylvania. clearly the suburbs are turning and they're not turning in our direction and donald trump is not a help in that regard particularly amongst suburban women. that's apparent. numbers from virginia don't lie. matt bevin getting crushed in louisville and the suburban areas and in lexington, those don't lie either. that's a problem, and it's a broader problem, that is exacerbated by donald trump. that's just a given. we've got to do a better job, and frankly trump is not the best messenger for that based on his, frankly, his personality and demeanor. turns a lot of suburbanites off. he appeals to blue collar workers and that's not suburban voters and that and that's a problem. >> and is there something democrats nationally should take away from what happened last
night? >> i think there is a big revolt going on in suburban communities across the country. you saw in virginia last night, first time in 26 years democrats won both the house and senate, and now have the governor's mansion. also of big news in virginia last night. two of our biggest, fastest growing counties which traditionally had become republican both went democratic last night. both wards, supervisors in prince william and loudon, won county chairs in both of those counties. i think it's a huge problem for the republicans, but you saw it in kentucky, but you saw it all over the country. in pennsylvania, the senator said, delaware county last night we won the town council first time since the civil war. won in bucks county, chester, ohio, in suburban communities. turnout last night in virginia. say this, anderson. in 2015 the last comparable election, turnout 29%. last night was 40%.
>> what does that mean for democrats in the president's race and elsewhere? is there something the candidates had in common or -- sounds like what you're saying is democrats can rest easy. things are moving in their direction. >> democrats can't rest easy but it says democrats are fired up. if i'm donald trump i'm very nervous and he went to kentucky the might before the election. a state he carried by 30 points. they lost the governor's race there. mississippi was very close. the point is the democrats are fired up. they've had it with trump and people are paying attention to these issues and sent a message last night and are set up to send a message in 2020. >> i want to comment on that. look, you have to -- i made a very clear statement i did not think it was it a good night and republicans have problems but i don't think you can look at the mississippi and kentucky governor's race and take too much solace from those races. they ran two conservative democratic candidates. the democrat uk candidate in
mississippi probably won't be anywhere else in the country, win a democratic party. a very popular elected state-wide official and the lieutenant governor was not, let's just say our strongest candidate out there. so that's one thing. then matt bevin. look, i love matt bevin. he's a friend of mine, i thought a great governor but matt is combative, not the best politician in the world. he's combative even with people he agrees with and he was a very unpopular guy as a result of that. i think actually the president helped him. and brought him into the race. he was way behind. so, again, i would look at those two races and say those are particular, the broader story of the suburban voters is absolutely true. don't read much into those two races. >> governor is that true? >> listen, i think what you're seeing all over the country, anderson, is democrats are fired up. they're unhappy with the president. unhappy on health care, unhappy on so many different issues and
riled up and want to come out and vote. go from 29% to 40% is extraordinary. we've never seen that in virginia before. >> and talking about in mississippi and in kentucky, they are essentially as conservatives, as you can get, as democrats's what does that say to presidential candidates trying to win over states that they traditionally have not gotten? >> all the candidates have a different message. we have a big field in the presidential that will narrow down. some candidates are running out of money. you have to appeal to the whole country. candidates running in the south are different from other parts of the country. clearly there was a message in virginia that resonated. common sense gun restrictions in virginia. raise the minimum wage in virginia. do issues as relates to the environment. these are issues republicans of virginia were obstructionist for years and paid a dear price last night in virginia. it was the message of health
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heaven." a new book, a young girl from haiti he took in five years after the earthquake. got sick eventually died but a beautiful story how they became a family. mitch and his wife jeanine and chica. all the money from the book goes to an ororphan's in haiti. >> the grief that you and your wife experience and experienced and experience, how do you -- how do you move through that? how do you live with it? how do you -- >> you don't ever get past it. and i think anyone who's watching this who ever lost a child knows -- >> i hate the word closure. it's a stupid word. >> in. it's open, stays open a festering wound your whole life but you have to get to a philosophy with it. so for us, you know, we realized, well, there are children with this who died fat
4. she lived to 7. 7 was her amount of years. what she was given. we had that and that's what we had with her and there is, no matter how families are put together and no matter how families come apart, this, i have come to believe is true. you cannot lose a child. >> if you want to watch the full interview, cnn.com/fullcircle. watch it every day streaming live 5:00 p.m. eastern. go to chris cuomo for "prime time." >> thank you. welcome to "prime time." opening day of this impeachment inquiry is one week away. we know who's going to testify and when but that is not what matters tonight. we have a good taste with the first public witness, that they will say. we have the transcript from his closed door testimony. we also have breaking news on something that this president