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hello to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm poppy harlow. another day and another mass shooting in america. horrifying does not begin to describe it. and the pain of the families who lost their children, unimaginable. in southern california two teenagers are dead, three wounded after a gunman opened fire at a high school there. students, teachers, everyone in the community trying to process it, figure out how this could happen again. >> i heard the first two shots and i was kind of confused. but then when i heard the third one i just started running with my friends. and then like four other shots went off and i don't know what happened after that. >> this is not the type of day as a father, as a trauma surgeon -- there are no words to describe the emotions for this.
>> i was at the very back of campus and a kid came sprinting in and the teacher was like what are you doing? he said gunshots and we just sprung into action, barricaded the door, lights off, back of class, huddled down. it breaks my heart more kids have to die for us to do something in this country. it really breaks my heart. >> becoming uniquely american phenomenon. on capitol hill, lawmakers are gearing up for a blockbuster day of testimony. on friday lawmakers will depose david holmes. he overheard the president on a key phone call establishing the connection between the president and the shadow ukraine testimony. plus testimony from the former ambassador marie yovanovitch who was pushed out of her post this year. she was accused of trying to undermine the president.
the white house is sizing up this next round of witnesses eager to find ways to undermine them attack them. president trump is fighting other battles this week too. earlier his lawyers officially asked the supreme court to intervene to prevent access to his tax returns. >> the president held a rally tonight a little bit earlier in louisiana venting his frustration around the impeachment proceedings thus far. remember -- remember -- earlier this week we told reporters he did not watch the hearings on wednesday. but that tonight did not stop him from mocking the witnesses to the crowd. >> how about when they asked these two never-trumpers what exactly do you think you impeach him for? and they stood there went like what? >> well, no evidence they're never-trumpers. one is a military veteran, both of them decades of service to government. kaitlan collins has more details from the rally and from what was
a busy day at the white house. >> jim and poppy, the president also claimed tonight that the republicans like the investigation and it's making their poll numbers go up though that's not the sentiment we've gotten from several lawmakers we've spoken with behind the scenes about what's happening on capitol hill. but this comes after the president hosted republican senators for a lunch today where one of them told cnn impeachment did come up. while they were talking about it, the president kept bringing up the transcript of his first call with the ukrainian president and then at one point offered to let the senators who he invited to the white house read it. one of them, senator kevin cramer, did read it. he said it was about a page long in substance. he said there was no mention of military aid though we should note we were kind of expecting that because one of those witnesses who testified in these closed door depositions said that that first call that trump had with ukrainian president
zelenski was so friendly that people were high fiving at the end of it. that's why it stood in such stark contrast to the one we're now talking about at the center of this inquiry. of course all this comes as there was another interesting meeting at the white house today and that's where before the president goes to the rally, he was in the oval office seen with the attorney general bill barr in the white house council, pat cipollone waiting to go to louisiana and we are being told by sources that that meeting was about in reference to the so-called who wits report. that's in reference to the inspector general michael hor wits. something that could be published soon and released soon. it's unclear what exactly the president was told and what his reaction was to all of that. >> kaitlan, thank you very much for that. >> well, a new key witness will testify behind closed doors in just hours. david holmes.
he's the official who overheard president trump speaking on the phone with eu ambassador gordon sondland. holmes serves under bill taylor who revealed the existence of the phone call in his testimony earlier this week. >> in the presence of my staff at a restaurant ambassador sondland called president trump and told him of his meetings in kyiv. asking ambassador sond land about the investigations. ambassador sondland told mr. trump that the ukrainians were ready to move forward. >> to discuss, our legal analyst, jennifer rogers. larry pfeiffer is also here, obama situation room senior director and bush administration cia chief of staff. good evening, good morning, one and all. depends where in the country you are watching this. let me just begin with you
margaret and where we left off with the july 26th call that taylor testified about. now you've got the man who heard it who's going to be behind closed doors under oath. and all of what that will mean for ambassador sondland when he testifies publicly on wednesday. what is the biggest question that lawmakers need an answer from holmes on? >> the question that lawmakers are going to want to get to the bottom of was how directly can they put the strategy and the approach to the approach that was taken towards ukraine and mr. zelenski, how closely can they put that on to the president? and the president and republicans complaint from the first day of the hearings was that it was hearsay, these are people who had never talked to the president or met with the president or what have you. well, mr. holmes can do is take the story one step closer, overhearing a conversation that involved not just gordon sondland but the president on the other line.
and of course it does add to the pressure that gordon sondland already is under to for now a third time clarify his official statements under oath. >> so, jennifer rogers, legally the famous question in watergate was what did the president know, when did he know it? here you can argue what did the president do and say and when did he do and say it and who can tell you what he did and said here. so, here you have an overheard phone call. white house has prevented all the direct witnesses who might be able to testify to what the president did here. is a witness phone call from a legal perspective proof/evidence? >> it is. any statement of a defendnt here, the president is the defendant in the sense of the impeachment hearings, is admissible as non-hearsay. so, as long as the person who hears it can authenticate the voice and say that's the president's voice -- >> he can say it distinctively. >> and also the conversation afterwards with sondland and
here's what he told he confirms. it comes in as evidence even in a criminal trial it would come in as evidence. sondland is a direct witness. he is testifying and of course we expect him to testify more. >> larry, let me ask you more about sondland because ambassador sondland's third set of under oath testimony, if you will, because of his revised testimony is the other week is going to come on wednesday. you worked in two white houses, the obama white house and the bush white house. and despite some republican efforts to discredit sondland, his attorney made very clear to "the washington post" he's not going anywhere. he feels secure in his job. he's still represents the united states on the world stage in europe. is it possible for him to keep doing his job effectively at this point? his attorney says he has no intention of resigning. he hasn't felt any pressure to do so. >> i would imagine his credibility was strained in representing the united states to foreign governments at this
point in time. he's obviously distracted from his duties having to prepare direct testimony and traveling to and from washington. so, i would imagine it's becoming a little difficult for him to accomplish our goals. >> margaret we have holmes tomorrow and testimony. you have sandy who works directly for the white house and is i think the only white house official who is defying the ban on speaking to the investigations here key because omb controls the purse strings and would be involved in holding back the military aid here. significance of sandy's testimony and what can he attest to? >> well, you know, we'll see. but in theory, this goes to the question of what were the communications around the withholding or the suspension or the delay or the receipt of this
aid? and perhaps what was mick mulvaney's role? mick mulvaney, once upon a time his full-time job was director of office of management and budget. but still has ties to that and the chief of staff office has made the decision to not come and speak to congress. there are a lot of questions about what mulvaney directed to happen at the president's behest and whether or not in fact that money was held up in order to force to leverage and pressure an investigation of not just corruption, not just burisma, but the bidens in hunter and joe biden. perhaps this is a way to get to those questions. >> and we should remember there were two instances, right, because it's the military assistance which is the core of this invs. interrogation. we've also learned through the process that javelins, antitank missiles were held up at the end of 2018. >> right, right, right. good point. let's talk about tomorrow.
larry, you've got former ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch who is going to say the same thing she said in the behind closed doors, she's going to talk about the smear campaign and the fear she had and ultimately losing her position because of political motivations of rudy giuliani and others. you've got a white house official telling our jim acosta well ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president, so he didn't like her over there. is that really an impeachable offense? what do you make of that push back to her? >> the question of whether relieving an ambassador, that act be impeachable, that answer is probably no. >> right. >> the intimidation, the vailed threats, those are obviously issues of serious concern. i think ultimately what you're going to see tomorrow is see another individual like we saw with taylor and kent, professional dedicated public servant who's given their life
to, you know, the betterment of our country and our national security and our foreign relation relations. >> jennifer, you've been nay few trials in your time. democrats made a conservative effort in the first public hearings. i assume they're going to try to continue that tomorrow -- of making this almost like a court case, less the political theater using the low lower to do the bulk of questions or when shift was involved, very methodical. there's not a lot of play acting as we've seen in previous hearings. az lawyer, you review of the strategy. >> it's the right strategy. the democrats are about getting out the facts. they want the american public to see what happened here. they were also very smart in focusing on what the problem was, why this was so problematic what was going on with this extortion scheme essentially because they asked questions about not just what happened here but why is it problematic? why is it problematic to take a war torn country defending their borders against aggressive
borders, what does that do to us on the world stage and national security. they got very good answers to that. >> and dan goldman, you were his boss for a while. any tips for tomorrow as he goes to question yovanovitch or same tack the tick as yesterday? >> i think he did a great job. yovanovitch, she of course can talk about how harmful this strategy was, this scheme was to the national security. but she also can talk about her own personal harm. and i think that might resonate with people. here's someone who's an upstanding life long public servant who loses her job because of these ridiculous shenanigans and scheme going on with rudy giuliani and his criminally indicted kro hocohor. she was hurt by that and that might resonate with people. >> real life consequences to individuals, to countries from this scheme which is a good word for it. thanks very much. stay with us, we have a few more
instances to ask you about. >> a lot more. >> yeah. >> still to come, one lawmaker says bribery is the word to use. one person's bribery is another's quid pro quo. speaker pelosi and the democrats embracing the word bribery in the push to impeach the president. will it work? >> plus more debate in washington today over the whistleblower's role in the impeachment inquiry. >> i will not allow the trial to go forward with my vote unless the whistleblower comes forward. even though they're offering hearsay they're the ones that started this. i'm not going to vote for any resolution that is based on hearsay. >> i would remind lindsey graham linda tripp votheard it from a friend. >> i think the whistleblower should be protect. i understand. i will defend the rights of the whistleblower vehemently, vehemently. but the president can come -- if he has a case to make, does he want to come speak, does he want
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as lawmakers prepare for round two of public impeachment hearings in just hours, speaker nancy pelosi is signaling a possible shift in strategy and messaging, accusing president trump not of a quid pro quo this for that in latin but of a simpler more direct term, bribery. >> the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery. quid pro quo, bribery. bribery. and that is in the constitution attached to the impeachment proceedings. >> what was the bribe here? >> the bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a public statement of a fake investigation into the elections. that's bribery. yes. >> you wonder why she and so many leading democrats are using
the word right now? according to "the washington post," the decision to use the word "bribery" instead of quid pro quo came after the democratic congressional campaign committee found the word resonated more in key battleground states. >> the word bribery we should note is in the constitution. we're quoting here. the president shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery -- there it is -- and other high crimes and misdemeanors. jennifer and margaret are back with us. jennifer, we're drawing your legal knowledge as i often do here. the founders were worried about foreign influence in elections. you mentioned during the break here from a legal standpoint, is pelosi right that withholding military assistance in exchange for political favor meeting the definition of bribery? >> she is. she is. the one key here is that the thing has to be an official act, the thing that the government
official is doing to get what it is that they want has to be an official act. so, here it's the president saying you either can or you cannot have this military aid giving money that is public money as an official act of a government official. so, it meets the legal definition of bribery. >> let's take a moment, margaret, and listen to a few others, not just nancy pelosi focusing on the word bribery. here are a few more. >> we sought to condition, coerce, extort, or bribe an ally into conducting investigations to aid his re-election campaign. >> regardless of what you call it, where it's quid pro quo, bribery, extortion, abuse of power, is attempted extortion and bribery a crime. >> i don't know, sir. >> margaret, do you have any reporting on republicans' reaction to this? do they think that this is going to be an effective language swap at this point that will actually
move the needle for some? >> republicans understand that first of all all americans know what the word bribery means. a lot of people don't know what quid pro quo means. >> i feel like everyone has googled quid pro quo by this point, margaret. >> no one can say it, it sounds super triple latin. part of democrats' problem is that hard core fans of the president think they're elitist, repeating the word quid pro quo 150 times is not going to make them seem less elitist. just saying bribery is simpler. it's also true that the president enjoying doing things like there's no quid pro quo. i think we're less likely to hear the president saying there's no bribery. it will play differently. the democrats understand there's messaging involved here. sorry to break the bad news to you, there's nothing organic except for possibly with the way
it is in these hearings. if you hear a word repeatedly used by either democrats or republicans or a tactic looks familiar, it's been polled, it's been tested, it's been focus grouped, it's been discussed inside of caucus. and that's true of the republicans as well as for the democrats. but i think there are a few different strategies at play here. one is that bribery is a clear condition for impeachment whereas quid pro quo, you know, maybe it's illegal. it depends on the circumstances. and the other goes to the question of both elitism and simple sound bite that you don't stumble on the words and then it's harder for the president to repeat on camera. >> so, jennifer the founders were concerned about foreigners as we said just a moment ago, foreign influence here. they put the word bribery, conveniently for democrats, right next to the word impeachment and high crimes and misdemeanors there. when you look at this from a practical perspective as well, it is an example of foreign influence, is it not?
because the president in effect was asking a foreign country not to intervene so much but i suppose influence the election by investigating -- making an announcement of investigation to a political opponent. >> that's right. and the founders are very concerned about all kinds of abuses of power. they certainly were concerned about foreign influence. but they were also just generally concerned about a president who isn't doing things in the best interest of the country. so, wherever the bribe comes from, they didn't want a president who would take something useful to him and give away something, an official act in the government. >> an essential point here, the question was is the president putting his own selfish political interests over the national security interest of the country and ukraine. >> and that was the key point, was he more concerned about ukraine or himself. there is interesting reporting we have about pelosi and democratic leadership and i wonder what you think about it.
new reporting that pelosi and her top lieutenants were skeptical in their meeting today about really how much the needle is being moved or can be moved even by these public hearings. but they are banking on what history showed us in the nixon impeachment and that is that the needle didn't really move in public opinion until the very end. are you hearing the same? >> yeah, it's interesting because you want as a student of history to be able to go back and look at past proceedings whether it was what we learned from the bill clinton proceedings, nixon, but so much has changed in terms of viewership and media landscape. just in the last three years in terms of public baked in tolerance for totally chaotic political drama. so, it is true that between the watergate break in and the time when the time actually turned, there was a tremendous period of time once the investigations started into this where the
public was not behind impeachment and then it did turn pretty precipitously. you know, like, four out of five people right now at this point say they've made up their mind whether they're for or against impeachment. people go to their corners. people watch the coverage on different -- through different media outlets that often validate the views they already held. so, it is a really difficult to thread the way democrats want to to have a real impact on what appears to be a small group of people whose minds could be changed. but again with some of the testimony, we thought we knew everything that bill taylor was going to say -- >> we didn't. >> -- because he didn't depose. we don't know what's going to come out in this deposition tomorrow with the staffer. and if it's explosive you can bet that will happen again in front of the camera. we don't know with ambassador yovanovitch what the impact that the first woman to testify in public is going to have in terms of whether republicans question
her in a different way, whether she seems to have been more vulnerable to any of the political cross fire of all this. you really don't know until it happens. but right now it seems like a difficult needle for the democrats to thread. >> or john bolton testified at some point and said the president told us to do this. >> you can bet john bolton is home watching these hearings thinking, wow, i wonder what would happen if i was there. >> all right. stay with us, both of you, please. >> we'll have a lot more on the upcoming impeachment hearings just ahead. we're also following news out of california where slade once again two students dead after a gunman who was also a student opened fire at a school. look at those young faces there, look so familiar. investigators focusing on his social media posts as they hunt for answers. >> at this time there's absolutely no clue anything what we have today is someone who woke up on his birthday and just
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all right. welcome back. more on that tragic news of another school shooting, this one leaving two children dead, three injured. from start to finish, the school shooting at saugus high school near los angeles lasted only 16 seconds. the sheriff described in shilling detail how it all unfolded. >> it was just standing in the
middle of the quad really not saying or doing anything. he had a backpack on. at one point he took off the backpack. he retrieved the .45 semiauto pistol, shot one round, fired at one student, injured that student. and then appeared to clear some sort of jam in the weapon and then fired an additional four rounds at four other students before turning the gun on himself. and that ended it all in 16 seconds. >> semiautomatic pistol. unfortunate we've seen it every year. that brings the number of school shootings to 32 this year, 12 in addition at colleges and universities. president trump tweeted his sympathy. we send our deep es condolences to the family and friends of those tragically lost and pray for the speedy recovery of the wounded. no mention of legislative measures in response. >> can you imagine being there, being a student at that school
when this happened? eddie mendoza was and is. he is a senior at saugus high school, and he is with us tonight. eddie, we are so sorry, and we know that our words can't really do anything to help you. but just know how sorry we are. >> thank you. i definitely appreciate that. >> what did you see? >> you know, i woke up today and i thought it was going to be a normal day and unfortunately that wasn't the case. i was in jazz choir, and you know, it started off fine. and my teacher, you know, we were in our room practicing. she opens all the doors. she says everyone go, go, get in my office, get in my office. so, there were people that came from outside. she locked all the doors, barricaded the doors. we put the grand piano to protect ourselves and everyone ran into the office. and it wasn't until, you know,
one of the girls who had run in fro outside said that she was shot. and it is -- i'm sorry. just thinking about it is definitely traumatic. and basically, you know, everyone started panicking and it was this whole thing where, you know, people were crying. so, my teacher then proceeded to go outside of the classroom. she said lock the door. do not let anyone in. i'll be right back. so, she went towards one of -- she went near her desk and there was a first aid kit. she runs, she gets it, she comes back in and she just jumped into immediate action and she was able to, you know, cover the wound and really help the student out. we called 911 a couple times and we waited. it felt like it was forever.
it genuinely felt like we were in there for an hour. it was super scary and fortunately, you know, officers came. they opened the door. we had to put our hands up. we sat on the risers, and they helped the young female who got shot and they took her to the hospital. >> eddie, this is jim. i saw on an earlier interview you described that poor little girl saying she wanted her mom as it's happening. >> yeah, it was awful. it was, you know, just hearing her say, you know, i want my mom here, it was heartbreaking. you don't realize this can happen to anyone at any time and no one is safe. i think that's so sad. >> i hear you, man. i mean, you -- we -- as poppy
was saying we've covered this so many times. all of our colleagues. i wonder as you watch this could you believe -- you've seen these before. you've read about them in the news. now you found yourself in the midst of one of them. did it seem real as it was happening? >> you know, as we speak right now, it still feels like it's a dream. it hit me hard when, you know, we all had to walk in a line and seeing all the police and helicopters. it just -- seeing all the backpacks left there, papers on the floor. it was -- it's an experience that i do not wish upon anyone. >> no. >> eddie, i think, you know, the one thing that we share with you in this and jim and i have never experienced what you had to go through, the hell you had to go through today.
but i saw you describe in an earlier interview that you just felt completely hopeless. and i think i speak for both of us who often times covering these and sitting here feeling like there's not a lot, you know -- you feel like what can i do? and it sounds like you felt like that so much today. >> yes, i have. i did. it just -- it's frustrating because, you know, it obviously isn't the first school shooting that's happened in america. and for me personally, it's just frustrating that this keeps happening and it keeps happening and, you know, my question is when is this going to stop? when is change going to happen? you know, when are we going to all come together and, you know, forget about politics, forget about all that. when are we all going to come together and when are we going to not make this the norm. this is -- i feel like this is school shooting happened, the
news reports on it, and in a couple of days it's like it never existed. when is this going to end? that's why i feel so hopeless. >> yeah. well, listen, man, please take care of yourself. take care of your friends. stay close to them. friends and family. we'll be thinking of you. >> so sorry. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> of course. we're so sorry, eddie. and our thoughts are with all of those families tonight. we'll be right back. too shabby! too much! i can rent this? for that price? absolutely. it's just right! book your just right rental at thrifty.com.
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house democrats forging ahead with hearings and depositions both this week and next, everything now building towards the likely scenario of a senate impeachment trial. sources tell cnn that neither party in the senate has a fixed timeline in mind. there's plenty of discussions and debates in the parties, speculations, but as of yet nothing concrete. >> where we stand right now, public testimony will continue through next week. house democrats could wrap up their report over thanksgiving week and in the first weeks of december, the house judiciary committee could be ready to hold a hearings and vote on articles of impeachment. if they have enough, that would push it to a full house vote in
mid-december and then potentially go senate trial. jennifer, let me just ask you this. our reporting is that there are no plans in terms of the process, the rules that would be voted on in the senate yet should it come to a trial. lindsey graham who chairs the judiciary committee told fox he would not vote for any resolution that doesn't include questioning the whistleblower. that's a non-starter for democrats. you don't need lindsey graham to agree to it, but it's a huge deal. even in the clinton impeachment you had them come together and agree to terms of process for a senate trial. if you can't get that this time around, what does that tell you? >> it's going to be chaotic, radio igt? that's where in the senate when the trial happens, that's where you'll see the president putting his case forward. that's where you'll see what looks like more of a traditional trial unlike what's happening now in the house. and if you don't have agreement
like things like how witnesses will be questioned, who will be called, i don't know, we've never seen it. i don't know what it'll look like, but it'll be a mess. >> margaret, imagine politics are at play as well and decided this timeline with some republicans saying let's hold a longer trial, tie up democratic senators who happen to be running for president who include elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, kamala harris, cory booker, to disadvantage them in the presidential race. of course on the flip side there's concern among republicans that you have gop senators running in contested races who would be taken out of those campaigns. who has the advantage politically in the longer senate trial? >> joe biden? there's a lot of moving parts here. there's a lot of moving parts here, but on the democratic nominating side, it's likely if this dragged out and if senators were forced to be in washington when they wanted to be campaigning in iowa, those that
didn't need to be there could benefit from it. what's going to happen to the republican senators who are in remotely swing races is one of the big questions about impeachment here. i think on the short end you see maybe a three-week impeachment. on the long end you see perhaps a two month process. for bill clinton, it was about five weeks when it came to the senate side. i think this is going to be up to mitch mcconnell and he's going to have to figure out is it better or worse for the republicans to keep this going longer? >> jennifer, margaret, thank you both for staying up very late tonight with us. we appreciate it. coming up, this is just the third time in modern history that a sitting u.s. president has faced impeachment. what could he learn about how this could play out based on previous impeachments. that's next as cnn special coverage continues. is a differt kind of car. ♪ ladies and gentlemen for a different kind of drive. ♪ ladies and gentlemen for the drive to create a new kind of family car,
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it's easy to get lost in the news. there's a lot of it. this is a rare moment in american history. >> a very rare moment in american history, an impeachment inquiry to decide whether or not a president should go to a senate trial to potentially remove him from office. >> while the two most recent impeachment hearings against presidents nixon and clinton offer a glimpse into the path forward, each case is unique when you look at the sentiment across the nation at the time. >> no one knows this better than cnn presidential historian, former director of the nixon presidential library, also coauthor of the book "impeachment in american history." obviously we're grateful to have you here, especially so late at night. >> pleasure. >> let's go back to 1973. take a look to this and then let's talk about how it shaped what we're looking at today. >> mr. chairman, mr. vice chairman, and members of the
committee, i sincerely wish i could say it's my pleasure to be here today, but i think you can understand why it's not. >> i just re-read your chapter on nixon, and you make some points that i think people need to remember, that it just took so long for the needle to move in terps of public opinion. for so long in this process, you say 38% of the american public was supportive of impeachment. it changed at the end. >> it changed at the end. what's amazing about the dean testimony is first of all it's not in the context of impeachment and it did not lead directly to impeachment, an impeachment inquiry. it happened in the senate watergate investigation. and when the senate watergate investigation started, nobody knew, including john dean that john dean would be testifying. no one knew where it was going to go. whereas what we're seeing now in a sense is quite different. it's been played out in television, but there is a sense, i think, that chairman schiff, there have been surprises for him but he has a
sense of where this is going to go. in 1973, people didn't. one of the things they didn't want to do and i mean the leadership of the democratic party didn't want impeachment. the democratic leaders thought impeachment was something you never used. it had been over-100 years. there was nobody in office who remembered andrew johnson, and andrew johnson's impeachment was a failure. it was a misuse of the constitutional tool. and so nobody in 1973 was even thinking of impeaching nixon. it's nixon who pushed the country over the line. when congress started to talk about impeachment, it was a bipartisan effort to investigate. that's not to say republicans were ready to vote against their president, but they call agreed that impeachment should move forward. only a few republicans voted against the resolution. >> only four. >> yeah. but what's so cool about that period is that the american people were in favor of opening an inquiry, but they were against impeachment. in other words, the public said we have an open mind.
something bad has happened, let's find out how bad it was. let's find out why the president wanted to and ultimately fired the special prosecutor, but we're not ready for impeachment. that's very interesting about '74, '74. what changes in the clinton period because in the clinton period it's all partisan from the beginning. >> yeah. >> there is no effort as there was in the nixon case to bring republicans along. you know, when the house judiciary committee looked into the nixon issue, when they issued a subpoena, not only did everybody vote but most republicans voted to subpoena richard nixon. again, not because they thought he was guilty, but they wanted to prove his innocence. >> let me ask you this: is that possible today? i mean i'm not saying the country wasn't divided in 1973. it certainly was. but you had things you don't have today. you had moderates in the party who sometimes voted against their party, even in clinton days where it was very partisan,
you had some democrats who voted along with the articles of impeachment. it's hard to see those conditions today. is this possible today where you have some crossover and some bipartisan sense of this is a step too far? >> well, i think it's -- people may consider me naive. that's okay. i'm a teacher. there's some idealism when you're a teacher. i believe it's possible and i'll tell you why i believe it's possible because the people who voted against nixon were not just liberal republicans. they were conservative republicans. and what the difference was was this: they recognized that their job on the house -- because it never got to the senate with nixon -- was that they were constitutional officers. they were no longer members of any party. the constitution wanted them to sit as jurors and determine whether the system was going to be in peril if they didn't punish this president. fast forward to now, can that happen again? if it turns out there was a quid
pro quo and the president in a sense accepted a bribe? >> yeah. we will be watching. >> we will be watching. >> so much. great to have you. we appreciate it. just a few hours from now, another career diplomat will pledge to tell the truth and testify under oath on capital hill in this impeachment inquiry in public. you'll see it right here. >> what we know about maria str yovanovitch and what she is expected to tell lawmakers coming up. best deal on iphone.has the get 4 lines of unlimited with 4 iphone 11 included for only $35 a line. all on a signal that goes farther than ever before. that's right. get 4 unlimited lines and 4 iphone 11 for $35 a line. only at t-mobile. only one thing's more exciting than getting a lexus...
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hello, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm poppy harlow. we begin with heartbreaking news out of southern california, yet another mass shooting at a high school leaving yet another community completely devastating. horrifying doesn't begin to describe it. >> it's heartbreaking. we've seen it too many times. now two fil