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hello, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm poppy harlow. we begin with heartbreaking news out of southern california, yet another mass shooting at a high school leaving yet another community completely devastating. horrifying doesn't begin to describe it. >> it's heartbreaking. we've seen it too many times. now two families tonight are
grieving the loss of their teenage children. one of their classmates began shooting at the high school thursday morning. students, teachers, community members as you would expect struggling to process why and how it could happen again. >> i heard the first two shots and i was kind of confused. but then when i heard the third one, i just started running with my friends. and then like four other shots went off and i don't know what happened after that. >> this is not the type of day as awe father, as a trauma surgeon. there are no words to describe the emotions for this. >> i was at the very back of campus and a kid came sprinting in. the teacher was like what are you doing and he said gunshots and we just sprung into action, barricaded the doors, lights off, back of class, ud hadaled down. >> it breaks my heart that more kids have to die for us to do something in this country. it really breaks my heart. >> she's right. in washington also another
blockbuster day of testimony is just a few hours away. the house intelligence committee will hear public testimony from marie yovanovitch. she was unexpected recalled from her post earlier this year. behind closed doors, lawmakers will depose david holmes, the state department employee who over heard the president on the phone call john july 24th rkts the call the president says he doesn't remember. president trump in a rally in louisiana attacked the witnesses from wednesday's hearing. he said he didn't watch, but he accused them without evidence of being never-trumpers. kaitlan collins has more details from the rally and from what was a busy day at the white house. >> reporter: the president also claimed the republicans like the investigation and it's making their poll numbers going up though that's not the sentiment we got behind the scenes about what's happening on capitol
hill. nonetheless, this comes after the president hosted republican senators at the white house for lunch today where one of them told cnn impeachment did come up. it was one of the many subjects they discussed. but the president kept bringing up the transcript of his first call with the ukrainian president and then at one point offered to let the senators who he invited to the white house read it. one of them, senator kevin cramer, did read it. he said it was about a page long in substance and he said based on his quick scanning of it that there was no mention of military aid. we were kind of expecting that because one of the witnesses who testified in these closed door depositions said that that first call that trump had with ukrainian president zelenski was so friendly that people were essentially high fiving at the end of it. that's why it stood in such stark contrast to the one we're talking about at the center of the inquiry. of course all this comes as there was another interesting meeting at the white house today. that's where before the president goes to the rally he
was in the oval office seen with pat cipollone. we are now being told by sources that that meeting was about in reference to the so-called hor wits report. a report we're told is supposed to wrap up soon, something that could be published soon and released soon. it's unclear what the president was told and what his reaction was to all of that. >> kaitlan, thanks very much. lawmakers are both sides of the aisle are preparing to question witnesses. they're hoping marie yovanovitch and holmes will build their case. republicans attacking their credibility. lauren has more on what to expect. >> democrats getting ready to hear from marie yovanovitch, the former ambassador to ukraine who
was ousted from her role and without explanation. democrats hoping to make the case that she was really the first victim of rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer's shadow foreign policy. they're also expecting to hear from david holmes. that testimony will happen behind closed doors. holmes a significant figure because he is the aid to bill taylor who taylor said overheard a conversation on july 26th between president donald trump and gordon sondland the eu ambassador and on that call holmes told his boss that he heard sondland tell the president that the ukrainians were willing to move forward with announcing investigations. after that call, holmes asked sondland what did the president think of ukraine, and what he was told according to bill taylor's testimony was that the president cared more about those investigations than he did
ukraine. meanwhile, expect republicans to push back on marie yovanovitch's testimony tomorrow because they're going to argue she wasn't there for the withholding of the aid. this gives you a little sense of how democrats and republicans are preparing for tomorrow. jim and poppy. >> thank you very much. let's talk more about marie yovanovitch. of course she is a career diplomat, not a political appointee. democrats have high hopes for her testimony. republicans are preparing their ways to push back to what she has to say. alex explains more about who she is, her background, and why this public testimony is so important to the democrats' case. >> i became increasingly aware of an effort by rudy giuliani and others including his associates lev parnas and igor fruman to run a campaign to smear ambassador yovanovitch. >> the former ambassador has been treated poorly.
>> bill taylor and deputy assistant secretary of state george kent kicking off the first public impeachment hearings by defending their colleague marie yovanovitch. the ousted ambassador to ukraine is the next to testify. she defied the trump administration and appeared before lawmakers last month after the state department tried to block her testimony. in it, she levelled stunning allegations about a shadow ukraine policy led by rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer. she called it, quote, a partisan game. a game that would eventually result in her own removal. >> she was sworn as ambassador, u.s. ambassador to ukraine in 2016. she was unexpectedly recalled from her post in may, months earlier than expected. >> fiona hill testified that the ousting of yovanovitch, a well-respected career diplomat was a turning point. >> that was a politically motivated move. it was orchestrated by giuliani based upon interests that had nothing to do with foreign
policy. >> yovanovitch testified that late last year she learned from ukrainian officials about a concerted campaign by giuliani and a ukrainian prosecutor to undermine her and that they were going to, quote, do things, including to me. george kent corroborated her story, testifying that a ukrainian official was behind the campaign. >> this was like a thriller. all these people spreading rumors, undermining her position. >> there's a history of this. you would expect her to be smeared by corrupt ukrainians and russian interests because she was implementing u.s. foreign policy with respect to anticorruption. what's new is that president trump and rudy giuliani really allowed themselves to believe these conspiracy theories. >> yovanovitch told lawmakers that she learned she was being sent home at 1:00 a.m. with a phone call from the state department. she was told this is about your security. you need to come home immediately. you need to come home on the next plane.
>> that smear campaign orchestrated by the irregular channel was uk sesful in removing a u.s. ambassador. >> the president has mischaracterized what happened on the july 25th call with the president of ukraine claiming it was president zelenski who first criticized ambassador yovanovitch during the conversation. >> even if you listen to the very good conversation i had, the very, very good, congenial conversation with the new president of ukraine, she had some things that were not flattering to say about her. and that came out of the blue. >> but that's not true. in the rough transcript which was released by the white house, it's the president who brought it up first saying the former ambassador from the united states, the woman, was bad news. and the people she was dealing with in the ukraine were bad news. so, i just wanted to let you know that. asked by house investigators if she felt threatened, yovanovitch responded yes. >> i've heard bad things about her for a long period of time. not good.
>> the campaign to remove the u.s. ambassador disturbed many others at the state department as well, including michael mckinley, former senior adviser to mike pompeo who went went to his boss three times urging pompeo to release a statement in support of yovanovitch which pompeo publicly denied. >> he didn't say a thing to me. >> it's deeply troubling when the secretary of state is lying to the american public about anything and most certainly when he's lying about any step to protect a member of his staff. >> the post in ukraine was yovanovitch's third time as united states ambassador. her first was under president george w. bush, part of more than 30 years in the foreign service. alex mark, cnn, washington. >> thanks to alex there. coming up cnn special coverage of the impeachment hearings will begin 8:00 eastern time. coming up this hour what to watch for as both sides get a second chance to make their case directly to the american people.
>> democrats shifting their strategy, starting to use the term bribery instead of quid pro quo to describe what they believe the presidents actions are. will this new label stick and help them in the minds of american voters? impeachment hearings are being covered around the world including in russia, how the kremlin seeing all of this. cnn special coverage continues. as a reliable phone company. (woman) but to businesses, we're a reliable partner. we keep companies ready for what's next. (man) we weave security into their business. virtualize their operations. (woman) and build ai customer experiences. we also keep them ready for the next big opportunity. like 5g. almost all the fortune 500 partner with us. (woman) when it comes to digital transformation... verizon keeps business ready. ♪
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lipman, also presidential sis toirn jeffrey engel. thanks for coming on late to join us here. daniel, we've got a couple of biggens withes coming in the next few day. you've got marie yovanovitch. you've got david holmes. he heard the call. you've got an omg official on saturday. what's happening is the democrats methodically building a case, they hope, to show that there was bribery here, the new word they're using. >> yeah, they think that quid pro quo didn't test great in terms of impeachment messaging and that it might be a little too complicated. they don't want to hang their entire case on a latin phrase. everyone know what is bribery is instead. and with the ousted u.s. ambassador, she is seen as a crucial witness because she can
be the personal first-hand victim here that she served this country well and honorably. she was the ambassador during the bush administration. no one has accused her credibly of being antitrump. she was only trying to do her job, yet she was ousted because of the smear campaign from rudy. >> here's the issue i think that with that argument is the push back that's going to come we know from republicans to that point about she's the victim here and she is. i think that's indisputable. however, jim acosta's reporting is that push back is ambassador's serve at the behest of the president. there is nothing impeachable about that. what do you say to that argument? >> that's absolutely true. there's nothing anyone can do to say a president can't remove a
diplomat or ambassador whenever they want. the question becomes is there some nefarious reason they're removing the person. in a sense removing ambassador would not be impeachable but finding out why the ambassador was removed could shed light on a broader issue. i think it's really critical that the democrats are starting to use the word bribery here as opposed not just to quid pro quo but also to high crimes and misdemeanors. this is one of the moments when you need a historian becaus how the american people -- >> that's the thing, you are one. >> handy. how the american people have understood the word bribery has really changed over the years since the constitutional convention. today we think of it usually as one who accepts money in order to do something. back in the 1780s, the bigger concern was somebody who used the power of their office or used money that came from their office to make someone else do something or force someone to do something. so, in a sense the bribery we're seeing discussed in the congress in the hearings is really the exact kind of bribery that the
constitutional authors were worried about. >> interesting. that's why we have historians on. i just learned something about the history of the word. >> at 1:18 in the morning. >> exactly. >> daniel, given this change in messaging here which was focus group tested by the dccc, the democrats will say according to cnn reporting that they don't have high expectations the public hearings are going to massively change public opinion on this. we could be surprised. witnesses could come out of the woodwork. john bolton could say i'm going to talk. stuff can happen but very well may not happen. democrats settle with this not massively moving the dial politically? >> i think democrats are kind of at peace with their decision that they felt they had no choice but to launch these hearings. they say that it's important for history, at least, to judge that they did the right thing in
terms of at least telling a sitting u.s. president it's not okay to try to have a foreign government interfere in our elections and for us -- for the u.s. president to use hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer dollars just to make political points and have a foreign government launch investigation into a political rival. so, even if it doesn't result in a conviction in the senate, they would say, well this would be up to the voters next november to decide and it won't actually hurt democrats politically because a lot of people had thought well how is this playing in the red states? if they can come to a draw, then they will feel good about what they did. >> jeffrey, you've got david holmes tomorrow afternoon. he's going to testify about that newly revealed july 26th call that he overheard between ambassador sondland and the president, the call the president says he doesn't recall
at all. then you have sondland on wednesday testifying about that. how does the i don't recall defense -- how has that worked for presidents historically because that's what this president is saying? >> it hasn't worked very well at all because the truth of the matter is a president who can't recall is typically a president who's about to be reminded that there's a lot of evidence about what a president does. the fact we have literally dozens of people who are listening to these calls, transcribing these calls, understanding these calls, that's the way the national security state works, there's simply a lot of people with a lot of information. i think it's going to be difficult for the president or anyone around him to say that they don't recall because we're living in an information redundant society and frankly they should be worried whatever they say they don't recall they're going to be reminded of quickly. >> listen, let's be honest. the president has made public statements to certain affects which were later contradicted to testimony that the president changed his story. we'll see what happens here. daniel, before we go, timeline
of this. democrats still planning for a vote by the middle of december based on the latest projections here? is they atimeline that's likely to happen? >> they feel like they're proceeding a pace that they are working on weekends six days a week to try to get this through. they don't want to have this dragged into next year too much. they know that the senate which is controlled by mitch mcconnell, he might want to play some games in terms of extending that senate trial to hurt some of those democrats who are running for president. but he also probably has heard from the president and the white house that they don't want this long trial just enacting political damage on them. they would rather get this kind of cleaned up sooner rather than later. >> yeah, there's political dangers to a long trial to both parties frankly. jeffrey engel, daniel lipman,
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>> the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery. quid pro quo, bribery. bribery. and that is in the constitution attached to the impeachment proceedings. >> what was the bribe here? >> the bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a public statement of a -- of a fake investigation into the elections. that's bribery, yes. >> according to "the washington post," the decision to retire the term quid pro quo in favor of bribery came after a democratic congressional campaign committee study, focus group in effect, found that that language resonated more in key battleground states. joining us the former federal prosecutor and cnn analyst. you say interestingly that you don't like the use of the word bribery to describe the president's alleged behavior
here. tell us why. >> well, as a legal matter, i don't think the term really would fit here. in other words, you know, a reporter just asked in the clip we just showed speaker pelosi what's the bribe. well, under u.s. law the bribe would have to be to trump. he would have to be soliciting a bribe for the official act of giving aid. so, what is he being given of value in exchange? what is he getting in exchange for getting the military aid. she pointed out an announcement of fake investigation. is that a value to anyone? i suppose it's a value to president trump. it's certainly the sort of case that i don't see a prosecutor ever charging. i think it's a useful analogy. it certainly sounds a lot like it. i imagine as you point out it appeals to focus groups. it's certainly simple to understand. but to me it gives trump a potential deference. it gives him something to talk about. up until now we've heard a lot of long and dance from the republicans because there isn't a lot of defense in merits and
i'm worried this would give him one. >> but it's in the constitution and that's what democrats are pointing to. quote, the president shall be removed from office if convicted in an impeachment trial of, quote, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. does it help them by it literally being in the same sentence as impeachment? >> for sure. if they can prove bribery, then you don't have any question as to whether or not this is an impeachable offense. so, they help themselves on that front. on the other hand, they introduce, you know a i question of what's the bribe. i can imagine republicans having an argument about that. >> i will say that one of our historians we had on in the last hour said that at the time of the founding that bribery in their sense meant using money to your benefit. in other words, you didn't have to be receiving the money. but listen, that's going back a couple hundred years. i do want to ask you because you wrote an op-ed in "politico" arguing that the first public hearing on wednesday showed just
how strong the democrats' case is and republicans are kind of flailing in your view for a defense here. that said, perhaps their strongest argument made in that public hearing is that as of yet you don't have an eyewitness to the president's directing this order in effect, right? you have people hearing that it came from the president. how much does that weaken their case? >> you know, i'm not really sure that that's going to be a problem long term because ambassador sondland did speak directly with the president. so, it'll be interesting to see what he has to say. if he's already amended his testimony once, but if he raises his hand and says that trump told him this was in fact being held up for those reasons, i think that argument goes out the window. >> what about linda tripp? i mean, if you look back to the clinton impeachment, that wasn't, you know, first hand. that's hearsay. no problem with it then.
>> well, no question. look, okay. just to be crystal clear, second hand information is used all the time at trials. there's a lot of exceptions to the hearsay rule. i don't believe that that's a genuine argument that's being made with a straight face. i think that it's just something that's being used to distract like many of the other points that are being made by republicans. after all, there's plenty of eyewitnesses who are being kept from the inquiry by the trump white house. >> the white house! >> people like mulvaney and john eisenberg and many others. but in any event i think there's going to be sufficient evidence to prove the point here anyway. i really think that, you know, the -- and frankly in the senate, the republicans are going to be able to, if they want to call additional witnesses, they can. i think the real issue here for republicans is, you know, when it comes down to it, there's going to be a lot of witnesses saying there's a quid pro quo or bribery or whatever nancy pelosi
wants to call it. and then the question for republicans is what do you do with that? and i think ultimately where they want to settle is to say well this is really bad, it's really unfortunate, but it's not an impeachable offense. and, you know, unfortunately for them donald trump does not want to go that route. he wants to fight this on the merits. if they just came forward and said trump did this and let's censure him, i think it would take a lot of the wind out of the democrats' sails. >> and some republican lawmakers are already road testing that argument that yeah, this probably happened but does not rise to the level of impeachment. so, that might be a sign of things to come. >> appreciate it. covering by russian state media a lot as well and the kremlin isn't even trying to hide its enjoyment. >> we're going to give you the view from moscow coming up next.
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defending president trump. fred, we've seen lately some poking of fun at the u.s., even at the president in russian state media. this kind of stuff doesn't happen by accident in russia. tell us how they're covering the ukraine story. >> reporter: you're absolutely right. it certainly doesn't happen by accident that they would be poking fun at the president or at the united states. but you can really see as these impeachment hearings are going on, there's a lot of coverage going down here in russia. a lot of it is very much in the corner of president trump. and they certainly are also saying all this proves that the u.s. really doesn't care that much about ukraine and that ukraine needs to make a deal with the russians as fast as possible. here's what we're learning. >> the kremlin is feasting on the impeachment inquiry in the u.s. state run media clearly taking president trump's side even echoing talking points used by republicans during the first hearing trying to discredit testimony from america's top
diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor. >> you didn't listen on president trump's call? >> i did not. >> you never talked to chief of staff mulvaney? you never met the president. >> that's correct. >> one of the main witnesses in the case turned out to be a stool pigeon. it came to light all his informs was third hand. he never met trump and spoke to zelenski about the main thing about everything. >> ignoring other damn evidence, the russians rejoicing believing president trump shows he cares about investigations into political rivals but not ukraine itself. >> translator: you are being used without being asked for permission. you know what the term for that is, all those important people in america are now talking what strange people you are and how you can be used. >> reporter: but russian state media support for president trump goes further, one news report attempting to reveal the identity of the whistleblower
whose complaint brought the controversy to light. even as the president continues to claim there was nothing wrong with the call. >> the whistleblower gave a lot of very incorrect information including my call with the president of ukraine which was a perfect call. >> reporter: the cozy relations with president trump are paying off for vladimir putin. perceived lack of support from the u.s. president has weakened ukraine's president volodymyr zelenski as they face a russian backed insurgency. zelenski was recently all but forced to agree to a russian formula and asked for talks with moscow leading to protests against him in kyiv. and zelenski was challenged by veterans on the front line who felt he was bowing to the russians after losing america's support. >> translator: i'm the president of this country. i'm 41 years old. i am not a loser. >> reporter: as ukraine's
president struggles to navigate the fall out of president trump's ukraine moves -- chkremn controlled media is in a feeding frenzy hungrily awaiting the next impeachment hearing. one thing we have to mention is that vladimir putin has not commented on the impeachment hearings yet. neither has the kremlin in general. vladimir putin is in brazil but russian media doing the talking for official moscow, of course one of the things we can bet on is they are very closely going to be watching those hearings as they continue later today. those hearings start pretty much when prime time starts here. >> good timing for russian eyeballs. >> thank you for the great reporting tonight. we appreciate it tonight. still ahead, a horrifying, yet familiar scene playing out today in california. >> little kids, children going through this kind of violence. a gunman, also a child, opening
fire in a school, killed two students. community now is trying to come to grips with what happened. will anybody do anything about it? >> it just feels like it's a dream. it hit me hard when we all had to walk in a line seeing all the news reporters, seeing all the police, seeing all the helicopters. it just -- seeing all the backpacks left there, papers on the floor. it was -- it's an experience that i do not wish upon anyone.
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classmates before turning that gun on himself. >> churches held vigils around the city tonight. so many in disbelief that someone they knew could commit such a horrific act. >> eddy mendoza is a senior at saugus high school. he witnessed the shooting. just a short time ago he spoke with us. have a listen. >> what did you see? >> you know, i woke up today and i thought it was going to be a normal day and unfortunately that wasn't the case. i was in jazz choir, and you know, it was -- started off fine. and my teacher, you know, we were in our segments practicing. she opens all the doors. she says everyone go, go, get in my office, get in my office. so, there were people that came from outside and she locked all the doors. she barricaded the doors. we put the grand piano to protect ourselves and everyone ran into the office. and it wasn't until one of the
girls who had run in from outside said she was shot. and there's -- i'm sorry. just thinking about it is definitely traumatic. and basically, you know, everyone started panicking and it was this whole thing where, you know, people were crying. and so my teacher then proceeded to go outside of the classroom. she said lock the door. do not let anyone in. i'll be right back. so, she went towards one of -- it was near her desk and there was a first aid kit. she runs, gets it, comes back in, and she just jumped into immediate action and she was able to, you know, cover the wound and really help the student out. we called 911 a couple of times. and we waited. you know, it felt like it was
forever. it genuinely felt like we were in there for an hour. it was super scary. and fortunately, you know, officers came. they opened the door. we had to put our hands up. we sat on the risers. they helped the young female who got shot and they took her to the hospital. >> eddie, this is jim. i saw on an earlier interview you describe that poor little girl saying she wanted her mom as it's happening. >> yeah, it was awful. it was, you know, just hearing her say, you know, like i want my mom here, like, it was heartbreaking. you don't realize this can happen to anyone at any time and no one is safe. and i think that's so -- it's sad. >> i hear you, man. i mean, you -- as poppy was
saying we've covered this so many times like all of our colleagues. and i wonder as you watched this, could you believe -- i mean you've seen these before. you read about them in the news. now you found yourself in the midst of one of them. did it seem real as it was happening? >> you know, as we >> as we speak right now, it seems like a dream. it hit me -- it hit me hard as we all had to walk in a line and seeing all of the police and all of the helicopters. seeing all of the backpacks on the floor, it's an experience that i don't wish on anyone. >> the one thing we share with you in this, and jim and i have never experienced what you had to go through, the hell you had to go through today, i saw you
describe in an earlier interview, that you felt completely hopeless. i think i speak for both of us, who often times cover these, and there's not a lot. that you feel like, what can i do? and it sounds like you felt like that today. >> i did. this isn't the first school shooting. it just keeps happening and keeps happening. when is change going to happen. when are we going to come together and forget about politics and forget about all that. when are we going to come together and make this not the norm. a school shooting happens and
you hear reports on it and the next couple days, it never existed. when is this going to end? that's why i feel so hopeless. >> stay close to your friends and family. we'll be thinking about you. >> so sorry. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> just heartbreaking to hear that, from start-to-finish. that lasted 16 seconds. sheriffs described how it unfolded. >> we were standing in the quad, not doing anything. he had a pabackpack on. he retrieved the pistol, shot one round. fired one student. injured that student. appeared to clear a jam in the
weapon. and shot at four other students and turned it on himself. that ended in 16 seconds. >> the sheriff told our affiliate that one of the victims was a family member of an employee in their department. former president bill clinton called in to cnn. in 1993, he helped get the brady handgun prevention act through congress. a year later, a ban on assault weapons. the former president had this to say to america's students. >> my message is, first of all, your schools should do anything they possibly can to minimize this. but they did gun safety drills in the school where the shooting occurred. and you deserve an environment
that minimizes your risk. we can minimize the risk without having a right for a weapon for sport protection. to have a good, comprehensive background check law. and from my point of view, it does nothing to ban military-style assault weapons and ammunition clips over a certain size. when we did it, no one missed any time hunts or sport shooting. no one complained they couldn't protect their homes if they didn't have an assault weapon. if you can do that and not try to prevent it, these things will
happen happening. i don't know what kind of weapons this young man used. i don't know what went on there. but in most of these cases, if we have an aggressive preventive program, it doesn't interfere with second amendment rights, the supreme court specified. we could have minimized the damage. >> and the president talked to jake earlier today, about taking action even during an impeachment inquiry. >> three months ago, you had el paso and dayton. you remember the national conversation afterwards. you had republicans coming out, ones that opposed to measures in the past. you had the president in the oval office with wayne lapierre. and now, here we are.
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good evening. we just learned about a new witness coming forward in the ukraine affair, this time from the white house. that's our breaking news. and it comes on the eve of testimony from another witness. he was reportedly there at a restaurant in ukraine while eu ambassador gordon sondland talked by cell phone to president trump. he'll be interviewed behind closed doors tomorrow by house lawmakers. also tomorrow in a very public hearing, testimony from the former ambassador to ukraine whom president trump had called, quote, bad news. those are the exact words he