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president trump's unexpected and unscheduled medical visit. cnn was tois reporting that his to the walter reed medical center did not meet usual protocol. we are told that he underwent quick labs and tests for an annual physical. let's bring in cnn's jeremy diamond who is at the white house. what are you hearing, jeremy, about this routine medical exam? >> reporter: that's right, fredricka. a person similar with the matter is telling me the president's visit yesterday to walter reed medical center did not follow the typical protocol for a routine medical visit by the president of the united states. typically, i'm told there would be a general notice sent out to the medical staff at walter reed informing them of a vip visit,
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letting them know there would be certain closures for a vip like the president of the united states. that did not happen, according to my source. that doesn't mean necessarily that there were no doctors who were notified ahead of time, but clearly what the source is telling me is it was not a routine medical visit based on the protocol that was followed. so that remains to be seen. the white house is responding in a statement to me this morning saying this is from the white house press secretary, stephanie grisham. she says, we're not going to get into security and movement protocols when it comes to the president, but as my statement said, he's in good health and it was a routine checkup as part of his annual physical. i i've given plenty of on the record statements that were truthful and accurate -- actively trying to find and report conspiracy theories really needs to stop. but yes, the visit was unscheduled. it was not announced ahead of
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time. the people that were transporting him were told not to tell they were moving him until he arrived at walter reed. the president himself tweeted that he did undergo the first part of his physical exam and he'll complete it next year. i also asked the white house press secretary stephanie grisham about why the president was not able to do the full typically four-hour physical exam during this weekend, because she cited this free weekend that the president had. she did not respond to that question. >> jeremy diamond, thank you so much. dr. sanjay gupta and dr. tim natale both with me. we're talking about this in this context because customarily the president's medical exam is one that has to be publicized to a certain extent because we're talking about the commander in chief, the president of the united states. but ordinarily there is some notice to the public, sanjay gupta. so why in this case does it seem unusual for an unscheduled yet
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routine exam, and now we're hearing it's only the first part of what would be a full four-hour exam? >> yeah, it is unusual. it's unusual in that the public didn't know. which, by the way, this president in the white house has alerted in the past, so it wasn't like in the past they hadn't told. this was different from even the way this white house has talked about his physical exams in the past. the fact that the hospital didn't know, that's a big deal. >> why is that a big deal? what has to be put in place? >> there is a lot of prep when the president of the united states is going to walter reed or attend any of the military hospitals. as jeremy mentioned, they close off certain parts. there is a staffwide notice that the president is going to be there. so there are procedural protocols. if there are certain exams that are going to be done at the hospital that can't be done at the white house, such as tests on the heart or the scans, things like that, those things have to be ready. he's probably not going to sit around and wait for those things to happen. i should also say i spent time
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in the white house medical office within the white house itself. they have pretty good capabilities there. they can do a physical exam, they can take certain lab tests, things like that. if he was getting basic labs and a physical, why was that at walter reed? stephanie grisham wasn't very clear. she said there were no problems, no symptoms, nothing that sort of prompted this visit. but i think as a medical person, if somebody makes a surprise unannounced visit to a hospital, that is the first question you would ask. >> it usually means it is provoked by something new. >> right, something happened. >> something about his condition has changed, is the presumption. >> it should be a, hey, let's get this checked out, but as a routine matter not to let anyone know seems unusual. >> back in the day before a president's routine exam or medical exam, it would be at walter reed or bethesda naval. now they have been combined. so when we talk about walter reed, we are talking about
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bethesda naval. that's where the president has gone at this time. tell me what constitutes a routine exam? what is in there? what is the discovery a doctor is looking for? >> we know some of what president trump has done in the past in terms of his exam. there are some basic things that are done with physical exams colon blood pressure, heart rate, doing a general physical assessment, taking certain laboratory values. we know certain things about the president from the past in terms of what we learned from his previous physical exams, his height, his weight, those are things taken obviously and compared to years past. also we know he has a common form of heart disease. he has calcium in the blood vessels that lead to his haemea. how are those doing? maybe they want to follow up on that. he takes a cholesterol lowering medication, maybe they want to test for that, see if that dosage needs to be adjusted. there are some things that go into it and there are a certain number of tests, like a stress test, so you get on a treadmill
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and see the stress on the heart. most of those can be done at the white house, so what was it that can't be done at the white house that had to be done at the hospital? >> of those you mentioned, heart changes might be more of an urgent matter of those routine things. >> i think so. that is always top of the list, especially for anybody who is in their 70s. >> let's bring tim into this. customarily the president gets a routine exam. nothing alarming about that, but talk to us about some of the examinations that presidents in the past have received. almost all of them would be at bethesda naval or now walter reed? >> yes, and when presidents have an unscheduled trip to the doctor, it is natural, regardless of the presidency, for the public to be worried. i remember, i'm sure sanjay does, too, when president george
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w. bush apparently choked on a pretzel. i think it was at camp david. there was a great deal of speculation about whether that was indeed what had happened and the cause and what the consequences were. i think it's absolutely normal and natural given that we're talking about the leader of the free world, or at least we used to be talking in those terms, that when something unscheduled happens, one begins to think about the history of a little bit of deception from white houses. republican and democratic. one of the things white houses don't like to do is to create anxiety and concern about the president. they don't want to send the wrong signal to the markets, for example, to foreign adversaries. a weakness in the presidency is something that no white house, regardless of party, wants to do. so if there is an uncertainty about the condition of the president, the white house is the last place where they're going to share that with the public. and that has historically been
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the case. during ronald reagan's period in office, the white house did try to catch up with the truth about the president's condition, but it took a while. after he was unfortunately shot, the white house didn't really share the extent to which he not only nearly died but how deeply weakened he had been by the incident. fortunately for all of us, he came roaring back. but the white house wasn't straightforward about it. we've had instances in the case of john f. kennedy where the white house doesn't share anything about the basic underlying physical weaknesses of the president. so there is a history of presidencies not being honest, and given that this president has a strained relationship with the truth, let us say, it makes us even more concerned that perhaps we're not getting the full story from the white house. >> so, then, tim, underscore the importance of the kind of transparency that comes with the president is getting an exam, and here are the conditions and the reasons why. and you can't help but overlook
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the importance of this timing of this weekend and the president, you know, getting this exam unannounced in the midst of an impeachment inquiry. there may be no correlation, but one can't ignore the fact that it is happening unannounced but with some level of urgency that it has to happen this weekend. >> fred, i don't know. i just hope the president gets better. one of the things we're discussing a lot when we talk about impeachment these days is the poisonous character of conspiracy theories. we're not discussing conspiracy theories now, but let's just say this is a time when it is especially important for the white house to be transparent, given everything else that's going on. >> dr. sanjay gupta, what are your thoughts on the transparency, the amount of information that is owed to the public? >> tim makes very good points. there is not without precedent. there is a lack of a willingness, i think, on candidates, even, to not share medical information.
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we asked for medical records. i've been doing this for 20 years. we typically get a one-page summary. it's not full transparency. this seems a little different, still, because he goes to the hospital, he leaves the hospital. reagan got shot. they knew eventually we would find out. with george bush they said he actually passed out from choking on a pretzel. he had an abrasion on his face that people would be asking about. here there would maybe be nothing specific that would be an indicator at all, and we may never know. we're not required to know. there is no mandate that we need to be told this, the press or the people. who knows where this goes from here. what we've heard is they will release the test results at some point when the entire physical is completed. they could have done the entire physical this weekend, as jeremy mentioned. what they're completed we'll see what they show at that time. >> a number of questions remain. sanjay gupta and tim naftali,
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thank you very much. key witnesses expected to testify this week in the impeachment. and former mayor michael bloomberg does a 180 in his stop and frisk policy ahead of his democratic possible presidential run. >> however, today i want you to know that i realize back then i was wrong, and i'm sorry.
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this week capitol hill is gearing up for what could be the most consequential hearings to date in the impeachment inquiry. we're expecting to hear new testimony among the key players in the case, among them, the president's ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland. he firsthand he would accounts of the trump policy in ukraine and how much of it may have been tied to pressuring the ukraine president into starting investigations of joe biden and his son. this as we're learning details of just-released transcripts. a former official with the national security council testified that he heard from sondland that u.s. aid to ukraine was being done on those conditions. he said he wanted to tell the president that was wrong and
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unfair. house speaker nancy pelosi is pushing back. >> there are certain things the president does that aren't impeachable and they're about the election. but when it comes to violating the constitution of the united states, when he undermines our national security, jeopardizes the integrity of our elections, dishonors his own oath of office, that's about impeachment. the president could come before the committee and speak all the truth that he wants. he has every opportunity to present his case. but it's really a sad thing. i mean, what the president did was so much worse than even what richard nixon did. but at some point richard nixon cared about the country enough to recognize that this do not continue. >> here with me now, cnn's david shortell. david, good to see you. several people are testifying this week. break it down for us. who will be the focus? >> right, fred, eight people,
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men and women, scheduled to come in this week with some very high security credentials meaning this week could shape up to be the most consequential of the trump presidency. you're looking at the eight men and women, and some of their names you may recognize because these are some individuals who previously came in to testify behind closed doors. while this week may be the only opportunity for the public to see and hear from them themselves. i want to focus on those who will have the most important testimony this week, and that's former nsc top official, tim morrison, and gordon sondland, u.s. ambassador to the eu to president trump. tim morrison is expected to shed some light on this shadow ukraine policy that was operating, that the president in a small circle of his allies had run to really try to convince
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the leader of ukraine to open these investigations into joe biden and hunter biden, an investigation that would have been a political boon to the president. now, we also expect morrison to really be able to show how sondland is directly related to that effort, that shadow ukraine policy, because morrison had some direct communications with sondland that will really help show that sondlad was working at the behest of president trump, and that also helped set up the wednesday testimony of sondland himself. now, fred, you'll remember sondland, who is coming in wednesday, is a wealthy businessman. he owned hotels and donated a million dollars to the president's inaugural committee while he later became the top envoy to the european union. his testimony is not necessarily expected to be a slam dunk for democrats. that's because he's expected to talk about this phone call that he had with president trump in which president trump explicitly stated, i'm not looking for a quid pro quo with the ukranians. that is, i'm not looking for you
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to make the release of military aid to the ukranians contingent on this political investigation. now, fred, you'll remember there is another phone call that ambassador gordon sondland also placed to the president that we just learned about this week that is certain to come up. we learned about this from an official who was at the table. it was at a restaurant in kyiv over the summer when sondland talked with the president, and this person who testified, he said he heard ambassador sondland talking with president trump and trump asked him for an update on the status of the investigation into biden, the investigation that he so wanted. and, fred, that's certainly something that the democrats are going to try to really drill in on come wednesday. >> david shortell, thank you so much. with me now, liz wheel the chief for the hillary clinton impeachment and former federal prosecutor and ronato marioto,
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chief analyst. good to see both of you. >> thank you. >> they're trying to change the language and build the case for what they call bribery or at least alleged bribery, and it begins with this so-called testimony, but you're hearing from a number of republicans who are being critical of the closed door testimony. explain why democrats say they have to know what witnesses are going to say in an open testimony, and they do that by discovery in a closed door testimony. is there anything wrong with that? >> no, of course not. that's exactly what happened during the clinton investigation when the republicans, of course, had the majority. as you know during the starr report, ken starr accumulated all the depositions and then conducted that starr report in fruchbt whole house. ifls there when he did that. after that depositions were taken. depositions, by the way, president clinton's secretary,
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his personal lawyer, vernon jordan, and i'm sure the president wasn't very happy about that testimony in the grand jury taken, but he didn't thwart them, he let them go forward, and those were used in the abuse of power articles of impeachment that were committed against the president. so very different language now that the republicans are using. the rules are exactly the same, that the democrats are saying, we're playing by the same rules, republicans, that you put forth with us, and now you're not happy with the same ground rules? they're exactly the same as was used in the clinton impeachment. >> so, ronato, this week ambassador gordon sondland will be testifying in the open, and already a state department official david holmes testified and said in his opening statement that there was a phone call that he overheard and that sondland had direct conversations with the president about whether ukraine would open up an investigation.
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and apparently according to testimony, there were at least six conversations that the president had. so how do you see the questioning of sondland being carried out this week? will it be zoning in on any firsthand accounts, directives, allegedly or possibly coming from the president? >> no question. i mean, the republican talking point, their biggest talking point this past week has been a lot of these witnesses didn't have direct knowledge, they weren't talking to the president themselves. now it's coming to the test, because we have a witness who is going to testify about conversations with the president. clearly he has firsthand knowledge. one of the things he has to say is interesting. one of the things i think will be fascinating to watch with one particular witness is a lot of these witnesses are sort of straight arrow types, career public servant. mr. sondland isn't like that. he's a millionaire tycoon, a hotel guy, someone who made a $1
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million donation. he comes across as someone who tries to put a good spin on it with the president. he has some damaging things to say, and in some ways that will make his testimony more powerful because he'll look like somebody who is really a trump loyalist who wants to stay inside that camp. >> is he considered a reliable witness, especially since he had to correct his testimony? >> yes, i think he is exactly because he is going to have to correct his testimony. you know, i think the good lawyer there for the counsel for the democrats is going to say, now, can we refresh your recollection? of course that's saving his face pretty much after he's had to hear from these hearsay testimony, if you will, because he's already admitted to the committee that he did tell a high ukranian official that they would have to promise a biden investigation if they wanted to
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unfreeze those resources, those funds, to the ukranian government. so he's already on record saying th that. he can't walk back that, and now there are other conversations other witnesses are coming forward saying. he's kind of in a hot spot that way. >> there is not a bevy of witnesses this week, but if you're trying to build the case for impeachment, what is missing thus far? >> i think what is missing thus far is really the sort of firsthand account of trump saying or doing something that shocks the nation, that people are like, wow, jaw-dropping stuff related to the specific quid pro quo. the testimony this week has been riveting. there's no question the two men who testified earlier in the week are career public servants that were very credible and they testified about this quid pro quo deal, which is, you know, very disturbing. and obviously the ambassador was
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very moving testimony. but it wasn't about what trump did, what trump said, and i think that's why sondland's testimony is so important. >> if i could just go back one minute to the clinton impeachment. remember, ultimately there was no quid pro quo with monica lewinsky. she came out and said there was no quid pro quo, but there were articles of impeachment, and that was about the abuse of power. you can still have an abuse of power even if there is ultimately no quid pro quo. i'm not saying there isn't one here. there are bribery, extortion, all of that that could still be brought in, but you could still have articles of impeachment being drawn in on the abuse of power, which is fundamental. >> lis wiehl and renato mariotti, we'll leave it right there. and we'll be right back.
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pete buttigieg is now leading the pack in iowa, and it's not even close of t. that's according to a new des moines register mediacom poll. he leads the state with 25% support. that's a 15% increase since september. in the meantime, elizabeth warren, joe biden and bernie sanders are all basically tied as they fight for second place. his rise comes as he raised a lot of money in the state. he got new reaction from his front rudder status in iowa right after the poll dropped last night. >> that is extremely encouraging, obviously. we have felt a lot of momentum on the ground. even now we know we're not as well known as some of my competitors. it's very encouraging, and at the same time there is a long
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way to go. >> buttigieg also says he counts his rise in the poll from the meeting earlier in the month in iowa. today former mayor bloomberg spoke at a predominantly black megachurch in brooklyn and apologized for his long-time support of the nypd's stop and frisk policy. >> i got something important really wrong. i didn't understand that back then, the full impact that stops were having on the black and latino communities. now, hindsight is 20/20, but as crime continued to come down as we reduced stops, and as it continued to come down during the next administration, to its credit, i now see that we could and should have acted sooner and
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acted faster to cut the stops. i wish we had. i'm sorry that we didn't. >> cnn's christina leschi is in new york. this is a complete 180 for bloomberg, however, some are questioning his timing. >> that's right. i was in that church this morning. he did get a warm welcome from church goers, but to your point, the timing of this apology on the eve of a potential announcement of a potential presidential run in 2020 will open him up for questioning that he's doing this because it's an expedient thing to do and it's not genuine. let me put understanding around the stop and frisk content we're talking about here. it was in new york and it was a main pillar of nypd's policies.
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it was in the first three months of 2012, about 203,000 people were stopped, mainly blacks and latinos, and that's why they called the policy racist. after that peak, the stops did decline precipitously, and by the time michael bloomberg -- by the time -- at the end of his administration, the stops had been reduced nearly 95%. so we do see that the policing tactics changed under mike bloomberg, but it went on for so long and it created so much controversy that it's hard for him to back away from it now, especially because he stuck by it up until this very point. look, it's going to be hard to understand how voters will react to this, but certainly his political opponents will not be quieted by this apology. >> right. so many of his opponents are now wondering whether the apology is his effort to try to clean the slate. all right, christine aleshi,
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thank you so much. up next, president trump and his allies handle processing of witnesses. but can they get on the same page? straight ahead.
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and, if necessary, help you find the right place for your mom or dad. we all want what's best for our parents, so call today. all right, week 2 of the impeachment battle will kick off tomorrow with a new round of consequential public testimonies, and that includes the highly anticipated hearing with president trump's ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland's firsthand accounts of the president's ukraine policy, and that will be key in the democrats' inquiry. this all comes as republicans continue to cry foul over the process and the witnesses. >> the real bottom line is he got the money. ukraine got the money, chris. >> first of all, a dozen people listened in on the phone call and a number of them were
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immediately upset about burisma. they're careerforeign service officers and these are people who worked in the trump administration. >> there are other witnesses and schiff will not allow us to bring one -- >> you had a woman yesterday on vice president pence's staff and she said it was inappropriate. you had tim morrison who was on the nsc staff who said that alarm bells immediately went off for him. alexander vindman immediately went to see -- you say they're witnesses, all of them worked in the trump administration. >> it's getting harder and harder to argue. joining me now, cnn's margaret talev. what does this signal, that perhaps the president's best strategy is to discredit the process or even the witnesses? >> yes, this will be a difficult week potentially for the president, especially because of
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gordon sondland' testimony expected on wednesday. he already had to substantially revise his initial comments to lawmakers, and so democrats, we would expect, would be pretty tough on him. republicans are trying a few things and one was to keep some distance in the involvement and rudy giuliani and other people who are involved. the difficulty will be that on the one hand, republicans will be looking to exonerate the president, and on the other hand, they'll be making the argument that he really wasn't that close with the president, he was eager to please the president and maybe he got a little animated in things he said. >> but according to testimony, there were at least six telephone, perhaps, conversations with between sondland and the president. >> sondland is sort of where the rubber meets the road, so i think a lot of what we'll see from defendering of the president this week is to go
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down these other channels. is adam schiff being fair? how come they're not allowed to have their witnesses when they want to have their witnesses, and part of this is because the facts that are going to be drilled down on this week may be very difficult for the president as they come out. >> so republican congressman mike turner spoke with our jake tapper and this is what was said. >> all of that is alarming. as i said from the beginning, i think this is not okay. the president of the united states shouldn't even, in the original phone call, be on the phone with the president of another country and raise his political opponent. no, this is not okay. >> so what does this mean when there were members of the republican party who are willing to go at least that far and say that? >> well, the part of the strategy here is to say we don't agree with this, but it's not impeachable. the president is a little frustrated with that strategy. he wants a strategy which says everything is okay, because he's concerned that even that creates a window that could move this
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welcome back. a new court document shows that one of the boston marathon bombers was allegedly involved in a triple murder back in 2011, almost two years before the terrorist attacks. the terror attacks, rather.
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this new information comes after joseph carzonaya filed an appeal for his death sentence. the affidavit says his older brother and another man and he slit the throats of three men in the boston area. >> reporter: let's remember first that tamerlyn, the older brother, actually died at the hands of police. his friend gave an interview to investigators, and that interview is what we're learning about now. that's the search warrant that became unsealed this week, and a lot of it is redacted. you can see just black pages right here, but from the part we can read, tadosha told investigators that he and his older brother tamerlyn committed a triple murder on the night of 9/11. he said it was supposed to be a robbery, that they went in and
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sold thousands of dollars, but then tamerlyn wanted to eliminate witnesses to the crime. here's the quote from the documents. it says the murders were particularly grisly. the victims were bound, beaten, and had their dloets cut. in addition the victims were covered with marijuana. he was shot and killed during the course of giving this interview because sources say he tried to attack the fbi agents in the room. the investigation into the murders is still ongoing, and of course we have these documents because the younger surviving brother is appealing his death sentence. that case is going forward next month. >> wow, extraordinary details. thanks, natasha, appreciate it. syracuse university suspends all frats after racist incidents
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those are the ones that show up and change everything. syracuse university taking action after a series of raids on the fra alternaternities the
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couple days. one was a swastika outside a door and a racial threat. where are we in this controversy? >> this isn't the first time syracuse university has been reported for this kind of behavior. some were actually expelled from the campus after video surfaced last year. and now at least six incidents in the last ten days reported to police, many having to do with racist symbols and graffiti on campus, the chancellor making it clear that none of this is free speech. many of these kind of markings directed toward the asian, black or jewish communities. so the result, as you mentioned here now, these social events have been canceled and suspended at least to the end of december. there are questions about why events have been canceled, but the response to that was in a letter released this morning,
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and in it the chancellor writing, while one fraternity may have been involved in this particular incident, referring to last night's, given recent history, all fraternities must come together on how to prevent a recurrence of such seriously troubling behavior. what we have seen on campus here are students coming together and calling for change here, fred, and among them to set up a curriculum that would teach students about diversity. if they do not see that by wednesday, they say they will call on the chancellor to resign. >> all right, polo sandoval in new york, thank you very much. the white house says president trump is healthy as can be, but now questions are emerging after cnn learns of his unexpected medical exam and that it did not follow protocol. we're live from the white house, next. ♪
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