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i may tell my children that. thanks to our international viewers for watching. for our u.s. viewers, it's the start of a blockbuster week. "new day" continues right now. >> eight public impeachment hearings set for this week. >> this last week was good for the facts and very bad for president trump. >> the president lashed out at another witness, career diplomat jennifer williams. >> donald trump doesn't like what he's hearing. he shouldn't tweet. >> mr. sondland has to decide whether his loyalty is to america or the president of the united states. >> this is a man who said farce the president is concerned there was no quid pro quo. >> the president of the united states shouldn't be on the phone with the president of another country and raise a political opponent. >> this is "new day with alisyn camerota and john berman." >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is monday, november 18th. it is 8:00 in the east. it's a big week in the impeachment process, including a witness that seems to grow in importance every hour.
at least eight current and former officials are set to testify, each one tells a key part of the story. the most anticipated appearance comes on wednesday when the ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland, is set to appear. newly released transcripts reveal that sondland had multiple conversations with the president, he could pick up his cell phone and call him about efforts to get the ukrainians to investigate joe biden. sondland revised or reversed his original testimony and admitted he made clear to the ukrainians they would not get any aid unless they launch and investigations. >> "the wall street journal" reports sondland kept several top officials updated on that quest for investigations. the report is based on a review of e-mails which means that a paper trail exists tying the scandal directly to the white house. and most significantly there are big questions this morning about
president trump's health after an unscheduled visit to walter reed hospital over the weekend that cnn has learned did not follow protocol of a routine presidential medical exam. let's begin with cnn's lauren fox live on capitol hill with our top story. lauren? >> well, alisyn, it's a huge week on capitol hill with eight witnesses coming as part of this impeachment inquiry. tomorrow democrats and republicans will hear from timothy morrison, the former nsc official on the july 25th phone call between president trump and president zelensky, but he's very important because a transcript released of his closed door deposition reveals that he came to understand that gordon sondland, the eu ambassador, was being directed by president trump to ask the ukrainians to investigate the president's political rivals. he testified that he understood that trump and sondland had spoken approximately five times between july 25th, the date of that phone call between trump and zelensky, and september 11th
when the nearly $400 million in security assistance was finally released to ukraine. on wednesday sondland will be in the hot seat. you can expect this will be a huge moment as part of this impeachment probe as democrats and republicans are going to be grilling him about what kind of conversations he was having directly with the president and with white house officials, that after "the wall street journal" reported that he was communicating and keeping the white house acting chief of staff mick mulvaney and rick perry, the energy secretary, fully apprised of his actions in ukraine. the president growing very frustrated with this impeachment probe, tweeting over the weekend about jennifer williams. she is an aide to the vice president who was on that july 25th phone call and she essentially said that she thought that parts of that call were innatate and it was more political than diplomatic in nature. john is and alisyn. >> lauren fox, thanks for being with us. joining us now political analyst david gregory, cnn white house correspondent kaitlan collins and cnn contributor john dean.
he was president nixon's former white house counsel. kaitlan, i want to start as we begin this week, we saw that list of witnesses, jennifer williams, the president attacking her over the weekend, setting the stage to draw questions about her and then gordon sondland testifying on wednesday. what are the stakes for the white house? >> it's interesting also because the president has been wanting to try this approach of undermining these witnesses, dismissing them and what their complaints or concerns have been. he's been advised not to do that. people thought that wasn't the right method to take, the right route, and instead try to talk about the distance between these officials what their results were and now you're seeing the president kind of take matters into his own hands going after not only marie yovanovitch but also jennifer williams. i think the stakes, though, back to your question are high this week because, of course, now gordon sondland finds himself squarely at the middle of this and he is in these e-mails and these reports and testimonies about him implicating the chief of staff, energy secretary, but also he is the one who has had
the most direct contact with the president. he's going to be the person whose testimony people are watching this week. in addition to everyone else to see the case they're making. the question for the white house if this is able to turn the tide or maintain this defense that they've tried to keep up for the past few days. >> as has been pointed out, david gregory, gordon sondland is the ambassador to the eu. that doesn't even cover ukraine. the idea he was this pivotal person that he's at the center of this, that he does know all of the links between rick perry and zelensky and president trump and, you know, he's just a wild card because he has given a misleading testimony originally on october 17th and had to amend it, we don't know what to expect this wednesday. >> he was in over his head. he was not a diplomat. he does not have this experience. he was somebody who gave a lot of money to the trump campaign. that happens by the way, obviously that people get diplomatic posts but they're not usually brought into the inner
workings of diplomacy, the kind of matters the like of bill taylor at the state department were actively engaged in. even bill taylor with his experience said look, there can be irregular channels, you can have a gordon sondland who has access to the president who can make things happen. it's when those channels run contrary to what u.s. policy actually was, especially with regard to aiding ukraine. that's what's going to be powerful about gordon sondland, someone appointed by trump, who provides more direct evidence of what trump actually wanted to have happen, the kind of pressure campaign that he was leading, that will be potentially damming evidence. we're also going to see the effect of the public hearings themselves are something that we want to wait and see on the public. certainly marie yovanovitch was a very powerful witness. i think damaging to the president. we'll see over the long term. but serge that day. how does sondland play overall, what will republicans do with
him, and again, remember republicans at the end will say whatever gordon sondland did, whatever those conversations were, the aid still flowed, there was never an investigation by the ukrainians. you'll keep -- you'll see that defense moving forward. >> will we see the first one who donated a million dollars to the trump transition and was very supportive of all the president's actions. >> and who didn't remember. >> didn't seem to remember a lot or will we see the one who reversed himself in written testimony and john dean, i submit, we will see the one who saw roger stone get convicted on seven counts of lying and witness tampering on friday and the one who will testify under penalty of perjury in public on wednesday. how much do you think that does and should weigh on him? >> i agree with you, john. that's a -- you kind of have a huge influence on any witness who might be on the edge.
and sondland is. he has now been refocused a couple times. he's come up in the hearings. he's -- he is -- his life and future is on the block this week. he has a lot of very important conversation. he is the one witness who could give up this president and change the entire dynamics of these hearings. whether he will or not, i don't know. but i think he's got to be thinking about it. he may also -- there is a possibility he'll take the fifth amendment. he feels jeopardy from his earlier testimony. his lawyers might well be asking for immunity for him. that could then open up a whole other door. but the other thing i was struck with, was the president's tweeting on jennifer williams. she is a known witness. the fact that he tweeted about her has made her a new focus.
why is she so important? why did she get understand h hi. new attention will be paid to her as a result of that tweet that otherwise would have gone by the way. >> i guess the reason she got under his skin because she classified the phone call which she was listening in on as, quote, unusual and inappropriate and kaitlan, i think it's interesting, because she is the top national security aide to vice president mike pence. i was waiting over the weekend to hear mike pence come out with a full-throated defense of jennifer williams. has his office said anything? >> i wouldn't expect to see one. that's another reasons the president's criticism of her is notable. if you read her testimony she went to great lengths to try to really give a by the book account. she wasn't talkin about her deep concerns, essentially saying she thought it was more politically motivated, found it unusual that the president brought it up, but it was one of the dryer tms out of the ones we seen. the president simply potentially
read the headlines of the testimony and lashed out at her. she's a good friend of his friend woody johnson's she used to work for and it puts her in a remarkable position. the vice president's office has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from her. a state department detaily detailed to the office saying she's not a politically picked person. we should note our reporting shows his national security adviser plays a pretty big role in deciding which with of these detailies will work in the office and played a role in picking wips to work there. that's another added dynamic to all of this. >> thank you very much. we need to get to some breaking news right now. >> hundreds of pro-democracy protesters clashing with police at a besieged university in hong kong. demonstrators set fire to portions of the college. police are warning that they will use live rounds if they need to, to contain the crowds.
ana has been live on the ground for us in this dangerous and breaking situation. what's the situation at this hour? >> well, alisyn, we are still here with the protesters on the streets several blocks from the polytechnic university where hundreds of protesters are trapped. a short time ago police just fired canister after canister of tear gas. we could hear just the pounding. now as you can see, these protesters have formed a front line. there are bricks in front of them. the riot police are just ahead, maybe 100 meters. okay. they've set -- they have been throwing petrol bombs nonstop and we can see them. they just walk around with their petrol bombs and throw them at police. and then officers retaliate with
rounds and rounds of tear gas. rubber bullets are also being fired. this is a game of cat and mouse, alisyn. this is what happens on the streets of hong kong. many of these protesters have turned out to try to divert attention from the university. they're hoping that this will attract police resources away from the university and that those inside will be freed. but the police have cordoned it off. there is no way in, no way out. they have told protesters inside the university they must surrender. otherwise they will have to take over the university. now -- riot police are moving into position. we're expecting them to either charge, which is one of the tactics -- okay. no. tear gas.
but sometimes -- the tear gas. what is extraordinary, alisyn, these protesters they are armed with umbrellas and they are taking on the police. this is what is unfolding on the streets of hong kong now on a daily basis. >> get out of here. they're coming. >> okay. >> so, ana, those are tear gas canisters we're seeing being lobbed from the police? >> so that's the fires are petrol bombs and yes, police are just firing. you can hear, okay. let's move back. okay. all right. there they are. let's go back. >> let's go. >> this is when the police charge. okay. go. okay. we're okay. we're okay.
okay. >> ana on your crusade, keep you and your crusade -- >> we're good. >> tell us what we're seeing there, which is that the protesters are hurling what you're calling petrol bombs, molotov cocktails, and the police are moving or charging and firing tear gas. >> go ahead. >> okay. yep. that's right. you can see dozens and dozens of riot police moving in. the protesters, brad if i can just move our camera, several hundred meters away. this is the game of cat and mouse that is continuing, continuing playing out on the streets of hong kong. it really is just quite extraordinary. >> one of the largest financial centers in the world has been reduced to this. >> ana, obviously this is a dangerous and really nerve-racking situation because as i think you've reported, the police have threatened to use
live rounds if necessary in terms of crowd control. you just don't know what's going to unfold next. >> yeah. absolutely. they've been firing rubber bullets but over the weekend, and again the police reiterated today during their daily news conference that they would use live rounds against protesters. we know that police have shot at protesters. they have fired at protesters when they felt their lives have been threatened. well police are now saying they will shoot protesters if they are the target of attacks. that is what protesters have been doing. this is how they express themselves. this is how they fight back. they hurl these petrol bombs. look, we were up at the campus yesterday with the university students who had stockpiled pet trol bombs and smashed up the bricks and putting the bricks
and petrol bombs and then firing them at the police below the university. one of the police officers was hit with a bow and arrow and we saw plenty on that rooftop who said that this is the way they are defending their university. as far as they are concerned, alisyn, these people consider themselves at war with the hong kong police. this is, you know, it begs the question, what is the off ramp? what is the end game for the protesters and for the police in that matter? this has been going on for almost six months. every single weekend. now daily on the streets. these protests, these violent clashes are taking place. >> these are pro-democracy protesters, which begs the question what has been the u.s. response to what they're seeing on the streets overnight? >> we're just going to move out
looks like the riot police have moved. we might head down to where the protesters are. but your question in relation to the pro-democracy -- these people who want democracy, many of them are young, john. they've only ever lived under the one country, two systems policy. they feel that china is encroaching on their civil liberties and they have told me that they would rather die than live understand china. in their eyes, even though hong kong is supposed to be handed back to mainland china in 2047, these kids do not identify as being chinese. they see themselves as hong kongers. they are wanting to preserve their way of life, so much so they're willing to take to the streets and risk their lives. it really is quite
extraordinary. they don't feel that government is listening. that is their major major frustration, john. >> and they -- do they feel that u.s. government is listening and watching? >> sorry, that was your question. the u.s. government, they've obviously appealed time and time again, more -- okay. these are the raptors coming down the street, these are the ones that make arrests. there are protesters here. the u.s. government, alisyn, they have time and time again appealed to the u.s. government and the human rights and democracy acts passed by the house of representatives. it's waiting to be passed by the senate. we heard from president trump who said he may not allow it to go ahead. now for the people here in hong
kong, for the people taking to the streets, the people fighting for democracy, they feel that that is just a huge slap in the face. they feel that america is the la bastion when it comes to democracy and fighting for democracy and the freedom of speech. really, if that act is not -- is not passed, then who is going to help these protesters? that is the question, alisyn. >> ana, thank you very much for being on the ground there for us. we wouldn't be able to see this without your reporting. police stay safe. obviously we will keep tabs on you and come back as warranted. >> noting here, you know, those protesters waiting for some kind of voice of support from the united states. it has not come. does not appear to be coming as long as the trade negotiations are going on. >> "new day" will be right back. it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey.
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frontrunner in iowa. this is according to a new cnn/des moines register poll of likely democratic caucusgoers. he's at 25% to elizabeth warren 15%, joe biden 15% and bernie sanders 15%. let's bring in abby philip and jonathan martin a "new york times" national political correspondent. abby, you just spent time with mayor pete. what's he doing that has allowed him to leapfrog the pact? >> he's done a couple things in the last couple of weeks and months since the last poll that i think you're seeing in these numbers. the first thing has been really to tack very much to the center, trying to draw contrast between him and elizabeth warren. he's done that really aggressively on the issue of medicare for all and i believe you're starting to see some of that show up in the polls. iowans saying they think ideologically buttigieg is where they want the nominee to be. then secondly, what he's done has really invested a lot of
time on the ground, courting some of the places in iowa, in particular, that maybe president obama won and that hillary clinton lost in the last election, trying to say to moderate voters, potentially even some republican voters, he is going after their votes. i think you're seeing a combination of efforts here and for him, the biggest jump in the polls for a candidate in this race has come in part because he's been really tacking to the center and weirdly enough going after some liberal voters who are interested in elizabeth warren but maybe are worried that how left she is is a problem for her electable. >> jonathan, this dove tales with a lot of the reporting you've been doing over the last few weeks. deval patrick's entrance into the race, it shows that there are people who see what was supposed to be joe biden's place in this race, the king of the middle, as shaky, and they see that there is room there.
>> that's exactly right. the folks in iowa have had ten months of exposure to these candidates and a chance to see them up close and they have made a judgment that pete is somebody who is impressive and standing above the field. i would also add, by the way, he has a very large tv buy on the air in iowa and even in this era of everybody living on their phones that still does have some impact. when you're on the air for a couple months with bite he's had, that does help him out. the larger issue, though, john, to your point you've got half the party is moderate to conservative, every poll shows that, looking for a candidate, some of them are sitting on biden but lots are looking for other options and pete is sort of stepping up and for now at least playing that role. >> and then there's the other possible wild card of mike bloomberg who would be in the same lane, abby. he over the weekend former new york city mayor he talked about how he basically in hindsight
regrets the stop and fring frisk. >> all of a sudden. >> as he prepares to announce whether this is going to be for real. >> yeah. i think it's going to be a major question for him, whether people buy it. i mean very recently mike bloomberg was defending stop and frisk. i would draw contrast between how black voters interpret stop and frisk as a policy versus some of the other policy discussions that are happening about criminal justice reform. stop and frisk is so clearly something that african-americans view as a discriminatory policy. it is not something that you have to explain to voters. they get it. they understand its or begins and who was really the face of it and that be would mike bloomberg. he has a lot more to do other than just saying all of a sudden i'm sorry about this and i woke up this morning realizing now that i was wrong because this is something that is sort of textbook for black voters
textbook discriminatory policy and if he wants to go past the early part of this nominating process and win democratic voters writ large there's no way that he or anybody else really can do that without the strong support of black voters. >> john, we have about 15 seconds left. he's skipping iowa and new hampshire. this a play for some of the southern states where he will be running? >> i think it's going to be a huge challenge in the south for him, but i think he's got more than one challenge. it's going to be hard for him getting in this late with the kind of background he has. >> $50 billion to face the multiple challenges. >> and make him feel better. >> that too. >> yeah. >> jonathan and abby, thank you very much. one of the lingering questions from the ukraine investigation, what was driving the so-called shadow foreign policy being led by the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani. cnn follows the money next. tom steyer: wall street banks took advantage
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the my account app makes today's xfinity customer service simple, easy, awesome. not my thing. here's a name you will need to remember. dale perry. until now he was a little known energy executive but one day he may be remembered as the man who single handedly touched off the impeachment investigation of president trump. cnn investigative correspondent drew griffin has the cnn exclusive report. >> john, alisyn, it's a murkier side of the story but easy to understand the motive. not politics, money. at the heart of the issue, were rudy giuliani and his associates using their power and influence as the president's men to carve out their own profits from the ukrainian gas industry.
you probably don't know dale perry but history may record this energy executive as one of the first who sounded the alarm about what would become president trump's impeachment inquiry. in april, perry's former business partner andrew far va rov at the state owned gas company says two shady characters approached him with a secret plan to take over the management inside the gas. the two shady characters lev parnas and igor fruman who low-level soviet born businessmen from south florida trying to clear the way for their own gas business. >> you said he took it as sort of a threat? a shakedown. >> because he said look, either i join them and become the ceo or they're going to find someone else to be the ceo and remove all of us, meaning the top management of nafta gas. >> reporter: nafta gas making a
profit, new ceo spent five years cleaning up the corruption plagued giant. the efforts had support of anti-corruption leaders across ukraine and the world including u.s. ambassador marie yovanovitch. but parnas and fruman said they were working on getting rid of the ambassador. >> they were suggesting that president trump had already agreed that yes, they would remove her. >> reporter: andrew far va rov isn't talking but two sources familiar with the matter tell cnn perry's description of the events was correct. he was so alarmed he wrote a letter that reached the state department but it may have been too late. a short time later, what parnas and fruman predicted, happened. the u.s. ambassador, marie yovanovitch, was removed. stunning anti-corruption officials in ukraine. now we know from american diplomats parnas and fruman had powerful help. >> i became increasingly aware of an effort by rudy giuliani and others, including his associates lev parnas and igor
fruman, to run a campaign to smear ambassador yovanovitch. >> reporter: while rudy giuliani was using parnas and fruman to help him push his conspiracy theories about the bidens and that ukraine was behind the election meddling in 2016, parnas and fruman were using giuliani for their own scheme, to oust a u.s. ambassador getting in the way of their plans for a gas business. sound far fetched? former federal prosecutor ken mccallan has seen it before in ukraine and says the house impeachment inquiry is exposing the real issue. money. >> it's really not just about the bidens, it's not about a dnc server being hidden in ukraine. it's really about the money. it's a fight for control of nafta gas and the natural gas resources. >> reporter: parnas and fruman may have begun their plan in 2018. parnas hired giuliani for half a million dollars, a federal indictment alleges they also
began donating hundreds of thousands of dollars in foreign funds to republican causes, giving them incredible access to political fundraising events, including at least ten with president trump. both have pleaded not guilty. "the washington post" even reports lev parnas told the president, he needed to replace his u.s. ambassador to ukraine and trump reportedly agreed. this would all make perfect sense except for one thing, parnas and fruman had zero experience in the gas business and could not have acted alone. >> parnas and fruman, with no background in the oil, gas, natural resources area, all of a sudden decided to form a company which you can only do in ukraine or russia, really, with the blessing of the powers that be and in this case this would be feartash. >> reporter: dimitri feartash an oligarch who made a fortune
selling russian gas to ukraine. he's been fighting extradition to the united states since 2013 when he was charged in a bribery scheme. he's declared his innocence and has hired prominent washington lawyers to lobby the trump administration to drop his case. attorneys for parnas and fruman refuse to answer guess about dim my tree but feartash's attorneys hired lev parnas as a translator. sources tell cnn parnas has bragged dimitri was bank rollinging his lavish lifestyle telling them i'm the best paid interpreter in the world. >> federal prosecutors want to know what parnas, fruman and rudy giuliani were doing. giuliani insist hess did nothing illegal. there's a question now of his shadow foreign policy in ukraine didn't also involve some shadowy business deal. john and alisyn.
>> our thanks to drew griffin. so much easier when you just follow the money. >> the roster of individuals involved, pay attention. >> the puzzle pieces magically come together. meanwhile, a stack of steven's e-mails have been revealed what he has to say about minorities and immigrations. we break down that in our reality check.
been proven to traffic in white supremacist articles. >> full stop. >> john avalon with a reality check. >> that's right, guys. so amid the impeachment inquiry you might haves missed this, president trump's chief speechwriter and immigration policy adviser found to have pushed stories from white nationalist websites. the white house isn't contesting that fact but standing by him while attacking a group as far left smear organization. this is not a little nuts. i'm talking about stephen miller who defends the president's immigration policy and rejects the idea that the administration has ever dabbled in racist rhetoric. >> i think the term racist, has become a label to try to silence and punish and suppress people they disagree with. >> in a boatload of e-mails from 2015, just before joining the trump campaign, miller e-mailed the right wing website breitbart 900 times, obsessively trying to influence their immigration coverage by sending articles by white nationalist sites like v
dear and american renaissance dedicated to making american white again, michael edison hayden by katie mccue who was with fired after making anti-muslim remarks and now working to expose members of the far right. according to e-mails reviewed by hate watch miller's fakixated o crimes by nonwhites was upset after removing of flags and invoked the great replacement conspiracy theory whites are being pushed out by minorities and the mud russ rape of white women at the hands of refugees. quote, miller touches solely on the perspective of severely limiting or ending nonwhite immigration. hate watch says he was unable to find any examples of miller writing sympathically or neutral tones about any person who was nonwhite or foreign born. keep in mind that that time his boss was jefferson sessions, chairman of the senate subcommittee on border security
and immigration and miller became senior policy adviser to the trump campaign. if you donk think his views have different the trump policy you haven't been paying attention. under trump the u.s. moved to admit no refugees from october. last week we learned that ambassador sondland had been instructed to fast track immigration from europe according to the "washington post." while asylum seekers from mexico and central america are blocked at the border and the trump administration attempted to change its policy of separating kids put them in cages to allowing indefinite family detentions what we're learning through the e-mails confirms what we've seen expressed through trump policy, it's about cracking down on nonwhite immigration. both illegal and legal. now the white house is hoping this all will go away, put out a statement that miller hades bigotry and all its forms and tries to suggest anti-semitism is behind the leak. cnn tried to reach miller but he once told "the washington post" anyone who thinks he's a racist is a fool and liar and no place
in civilized society but this is evidence stephen miller's own words that white nationalist sites have inspired the president's chief speechwriter and driving america's immigration policy in the trump era and that's your reality check. >> so helpful, john, to have people's suspicions confirmed with his own words and actions. thank you. here's what else to watch today. i get it all the time. have you lost weight. fbs i have since i started renting from national because national lets me lose the weight at the counter and choose any car in the aisle. i don't wait when i return thanks to drop and go. i can lose the weight and keep it off. >> looking good, patrick. >> i know. go national. go like a pro. there's my career... my cause... and creating my dream home.
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santa clarita california coming together to remember two students killed in last week's school shooting. a motive for the attack is unknown. joining us are jamie and maddie reshky sisters and students who hid together during the shooting. girls, god, that sounds so horrifying what you both endured and we're so sorry you had to live through it. we're happy you lived through it but sorry you had to endure it. jamie, tell us where you were hiding and what you heard? >> we were hiding in the corner of a classroom and before that we were hanging out in a classroom and heard three gunshots at first and my sister got up and then after that, we heard another three or four and these kids came running in. we all ran to the core. we had no teacher in the class. >> maddie, i want to read what you were texting to your mom while this was unfolding.
we have the screen of the text. you said, shooter, gunshots, i love you. i'm with jamie. your mother says what? where are you? you say we heard gunshots, hiding. your mother tries to type go in a classroom but obviously she's so nervous that there's typos. you say i am. she corrects classroom. then you try to say i'm in the core, which is a part of your school, hiding. she says, are you safe? later there's a text that pops up from your mother she says, is door locked? you say, yes, doors are locked. we all have scissors and chairs. did you think that scissors and chairs could protect you that day in the classroom? >> we hoped that they would. one of the students that was with us passed scissors out to everybody and some of the drills from last year, they taught us to arm ourselves with anything we could as scissors and chairs
and heavy objects in case the shooter were to find us. >> did you both -- i mean were you both talking while this was happening? were you and your sister -- what were you doing and did you think that you were going to be able to make it out? >> i wasn't sure if we were going to make it out because i just felt really helpless and didn't know what was going to happen. i was telling her that i loved her and be that we were just being quiet because we didn't want like the shooter to find us if he was in our area. >> maddie, i know that obviously you both have been aware of everything that's happened around his country. obviously you know what happened in newtown. in fact, you had just sent your mother two months ago the public service announcement that the parents at newtown put out, basically about how this could happen to any of the kids and action has to be taken. had it occurred to you, did you fear that this could some day happen at your school?
>> i definitely wasn't surprised that it happened. of course it was very hard and a traumatic experience, but with the state of america right now with gun control not being strict enough, with kids being able to access guns so easily it didn't surprise me. and i honestly was never in shock and i was just crying with my sister hoping that we would be safe, but i wasn't surprised that it happened. >> i mean what does that tell us about how you at 15 and 17 are not in shock when you have to cower in your classroom because this is such a possibility now for all kids in every state at every school and so, maddie and jamie, how are you doing today? how are you both coping with this? >> i think we're okay. being together has helped a lot because i know that if i wasn't with her during that i would
have been -- it would have been harder because she didn't have her phone. she left it on her desk and it's still at school. i know that we've spent a lot of time together trying to cope with everything. like yesterday we went to the vigil with my family and it was really nice to be there and to see the community get together, but it was also very sad and i was just crying the whole time for gracie and dominic. >> yeah. of course you were. of course you were. i know you know those student whorps killed. maddie and jamie, we're thinking you have. take care of yourselves as we know from covering this, it takes a long time. it's going to be an emotional roller coaster. thank you very much for sharing your texts and personal experience with us. take care of yourselves. >> thank you. we'll be right back.
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