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you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. by tomorrow, the impeachment hearings will be in full swing. the decorated war veteran who sat in on that july 25th phone call, between president trump and zelinsky. but it's the hearing scheduled for wednesday that will likely have lawmakers and pundits and even the president of the united states himself glued to their screens.
that's when we will hear from sundland who will admit there was quid pro quo. sundland has been in talks and is emerging as a key player 234 this inquiry. we start out with gloria borger and john avalon. before we even get into this week's hearings, moments ago, gloria, this will be for you. nancy pelosi released this dear colleagues letter, i'll read part of it for both of you. the facts are uncontested that the president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security. and then the speaker went on to say this to critics and trump allies, let the voters decide in 2020, she says, that dangerous
condition only adds do the urgency of our action, because the president is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 election. what do those words tell you about what we could see playing out in the next couple weeks in terms of pace of hearings, drafting of articles of impeachment and the vote itself? >> well, this is not slowing down, it's getting more and more intense. and i think that's what you saw in the pelosi letter, i mean, let's take a look at what we have. you showed your list of those who are going to testify in the impeachment inquiry, very important people. there's a question now in the house investigating whether the president lied to the special council's investigation. there's going to be a showdown at the supreme court over the release of the president's tax returns. and so as you play this out, it's coming at everyone very quickly. but each part of this is a part of a larger puzzle, that i think nancy pelosi is trying to put in
one letter to her colleagues, which is we have to pay attention to all of this right now. >> you foreshadowed a lots of what i want to get to with taxes and scotus and the like. as we outlined, every day is huge. wednesday is the money day with gordon sondland testifying. he's still in the job. no more of this, well, this person talked to this person and this person, this is the guy directly -- with direct knowledge. does he show up? does he plead the fifth, does he sit there and say, i don't remember? does he throw the president under the bus? >> this is an unknowable. he changed his testimony. >> he refreshed it. >> upon further reflection, there was a quid pro quo. that's a big deal. it also shows that a lot of the republican arguments last week, your first big witnesses don't
have direct knowledge. sundland's does. it's going to be difficult to put that jeannie in the bottle. still a state department employee. still interested in self-preservation. if he does appear, it will be a hostile witness. >> go ahead, go ahead. >> if you go back to that may 23rd meeting inside the oval office where gordon sundland was there and ambassador volcker was there and rick perry was there. and they said, we got to get this to ukraine, it's great, they had just come back from the inauguration. what you might hear is, i was just trying to figure out the best way to get that money to ukraine and so i had to work with rudy, and i had to work around rudy, because i knew that was the best way to get the money. and he's going to say, i don't know for a fact, but i would
presume that he was. his motives were good, but he had to figure out a way to do it. which was not state department protocol at all. and that's what angered a lot of the people around him. >> yeah, i think the problem with this is, it's almost inevitable the state department is going to put rudy giuliani under the bus. it will be difficult to take that tact without implicating the president. >> exactly. >> what about tomorrow, jennifer williams, she's the vice president on mike pence's aide, trump's already attacked her on twitter. suggesting she's this never trumper. those extraordinary moments, what are the latest rants targeting witnesses? what does that tell you about his mind-set? >> the president is impulsivmpu he believes in intimidation. he doesn't filter things through a normal presidential frame.
it's everything is a former radical stunt interest. she works for vice president pence. and it took him no seconds to castigate her and attack her in public. there's a lack of decency you see from this president over and over again. and it's starting to impact morale. not only the state department. this president is asking you to lie for him, but he's not going to have your back when the chips are down. >> stay with me. the house is now investigating if the president lied in his written answers to former special council robert mueller, adding to existing concerns about potential obstruction. wasn't that months ago? correct, but the reason for this is two words, roger stone. during stone's trial, former trump deputy chairman testified that trump and stone talked about wikileaks and that document dump in 2016, trump told mueller he couldn't recall
ever talking to stoing about that issue. democrats want to get their hands on grand jury documents that were previously redacted. there is evidence very sadly that the president may have provided untruthful answers. also new this afternoon, house democrats were hoping to get their hands on president trump's long elusive taxes as soon as this wednesday. folks, that is not going to happen, at least for now, the supreme court is temporarily blocking a ruling requiring the president's long time accounting firm to turn over the financial records to the house oversite committee. get this, house democrats said they would not oppose the delay. aryan, is this a win for trump or is this too soon to say? >> it's too soon to say. what the court did today, it said that president trump's financial records could not go to the house on wednesday. remember, a federal appeals
court last week ruled against the president said the house subpoena could go into effect on wednesday, trump raced to the supreme court and the supreme court said today, we're putting things on hold for now, nothing's going to go out on wednesday. we want more briefing, but it's hard to say that that telegraphed how the supreme court might rule on this down the line. it probably says, look, we need a little more time here to catch up. keep in mind this all comes from that house investigation. they were looking into trump's financial records. they subpoenaed his long time accounting firm and trump raced to court and said, you can't subpoena them, all the lower courts on this issue have ruled against the president, and now he's in front of the supreme court. and he's raising significant separation of powers arguments here. the house on one said said this is all within our authority. we're doing oversight. trump's lawyers say no, this is overreach. and the supreme court needs to take it up.
it will be interesting to see how the justices will ability on this for now. we know that no documents are going to go out until further notice. we're waiting for more briefs to come in, but the ball is in the supreme court's hands right now, brooke. >> thank you. >> john and glower yar back with me. on the taxes, trump's lawyer says the oversight committee gets the records, such intrusions will be the new normal. no matter when party is in power, i see you shaking your head. >> the supreme court is -- this is a delay as they get all the information. how bad it would be for the country and the institution if they take up the case and have a 5-4 decision along partisan lines. this is something written in the statute about the shall hand over tax returns. every lower court has sided with the democrats on the right and exercise that. and get these tax returns, the president clearly does not want released. it's not about an alleged audit.
that's blown out the window. it's not that he wants to release it, he's gone to the mattresses to avoid releasing it. that will be evidence of a depoliticization. and people will say partisans on the court playing for the president. that will do a great deal for their reduced trust in our investigations. >> going to the mattresses. >> i like that. i got you. gloria, the house said it was willing to delay getting trump's taxes to give the court time to consider legal arguments. they want the house to respond thursday at the president's request. what is the likelihood that lawmakers are o the american public ever see these tax returns? >> you got me. >> i got you. >> i don't know what the court's going to do, what will they do? will they say they should do anything at all for example? i really don't have any idea, i think what democrats in congress want to do, they want to pass a law making it clear that anyone
who is president of the united states or i believe who is not a nominee of a political party needs to diagnose close tax returns after this occurred. and, of course, this becomes so much more important in the era of trump because of his personal businesses all over the world. which his children continue to run and from which he continues to benefit. this is a question that's going to be decided in the congress one way or another whether it has to do with trump in particular. we will see. i just can't predict, brooke, i can't. >> i know, we all had had a penny for -- how many times we've said that, a nickel. let's go back to the reporting to jong about -- this is all coming out of roger stone. roger stone's trial last week, rick gates, the testimony, what the president knew about the wikileaks dump in 2016, and what
the president said in those responses to robert mueller and the whole investigation. the question now is, did he lie? and why is this relevant now? >> it's massively relevant. the question, did the president lie too often spoiler alert is yes. they were very careful in these wring answers. you see the answers he gave to wikileaks, i do not recall. but he specifically mentioned roger stone. and the things that came out in the stone trial, showed a preoccupation by the candidate, now president trump about wikileaks. and a constantly back channeling in the presence of rick gates and other folks, that is very difficult to square, and it's easy to see that he -- you know, he perhaps defaulted and even within that legalism, i don't recall, did not tell the truth about his preoccupation with getting information about wikileaks and hillary clinton's emails which were hacked by the russians. >> as i talked to two lawyers last hour. this could become --
>> another article of impeachment. john, thank you, gloria borger, thank you very much. a meeting that went off the rails, new reporting on ambassador sondland's investigations with ukrainians as he gets ready to testify. there are questions about president trump's unexpected and unscheduled medical exam over the weekend. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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back to the impeachment inquiry, gordon sondland is testifying on wednesday. a national security reporter for the daily beast, this piece we wanted to talk to about, you describe this meeting july 10th meeting at the white house with a number of white house efficiencies and ukrainians as air addict and very emotional and lots of yelling. who was there and what was this about? >> this is the july 10th meeting that gordon sondland attends with john bolton and a couple other state officials.
and, of course, ukrainian officials. the original meeting was to step this -- set the stage for u.s. ukrainian officials moving forward. they were excited about this, until sound lund steps in and bringing up the topic of the investigation. and then we know there's a second meeting that happens in the war room. sondland guides the ukrainians into the room. and what ensues is a yelling match between gordon sound land and the ukrainian officials there are that. sondland is emotional, he gets worked up and demands that the ukrainians agree to launch these investigations in exchange for a white house meeting between president trump and president zelinsky. >> two follow-ups out of those descriptions. one on john bolton.
his presence is interesting. you write about how he seemed to know something was wrong, and he let it be known. how? >> right, so the first meeting ends when john bolton abruptly ends the meeting after sondland speaks up. i believe it was over the last couple weeks, fiona hill's testimony, and he ends the first meeting. bolton basically tells fiona to go to the war room to figure out what sondland is up to and put a stop to whatever shenanigans are unfolding in that room. and i think what we've been told is that the ukrainian officials amid sunday land's out burst really looked at fiona hill as the professional in the room. they were confused about the tenor of the first bolton meeting that went professionally
and then the second meeting. >> and you paint this picture of gordon sondland, his efforts early on, he's often the pointman on that ukraine pressure? >> that's right. i think this week is going to be incredibly interesting. we have him coming in for impeachment hearing on wednesday, it's sort of up in the air how he'll perform. most people we've spoken to have said that he's quick tempered, quick to anger, and is sort of emotional on this subject. he's worked incredibly difficult according to sources we've talked to to get the meeting going between president trump and zelinsky at the white house. he's had direct conversations as we know with president trump about ukraine policy, and we'll expect to see more testimony from him this week on what him and trump spoke about, and exactly what president trump directed him to telling the ukrainian officials. >> that's a great piece.
quite colorful. thank you. more answers, more questions than answers after president trump makes this sudden visit to the hospital over the weekend. the white house trying to spin it as a routine visit. i spoke to a leading cardiologist the last hour who told me he is skeptical. the potential security briefs that will play a key role in this week's impeachment hearings. gordon sondland speaks about the ukraine in the middle of a restaurant in kiev on a cell phone. were the russians listening to that?
i spoke with a leading cardiologist who gave me details about president trump's unscheduled visit to walter reed this weekend. he's baffled as to why the president made the trip to walter reed saturday. the white house source authorizes to speak with him on the visit shared this with him. >> this had been something they had been thinking about doing for a while, that the president had some downtime on saturday
afternoon, they decided to go to walter reed to get some of this done. and according to this source. there was really no sophisticated testing done. >> the doctor was not told why the president couldn't receive tests onsite. the white house is saying the president underwent a quick exam. are you suspicious there wasn't something that led to this other than normal procedure? >> the president of the united states who has access to multiple positions on site on saturday afternoon goes unannounced to a medical center. it's worrisome. >> one source tells cnn there was no notification to any of
the staff at the facility which happened the last two times the president had his physical that they had been notified previously. he added that president trump who is 73 looked to be in good health as of late friday. condition yn law enforcement analyst was a secret service agent in the obama white house, he knows a thing or two about proelt toe kohl. also josh campbell. jonathan, first to you, you heard my conversation with the cardiologist, what are you thinking? >> there are things that are really -- we're not chasing conspiracy theories here. there has been protocols set forth to make note of the president's physical, they broke that protocol, that's anom house. there are a lot of things that seem last minute around this. >> what would be -- what would a
reason be, if you're working in president obama's secret service detail, and something happened healthwise, what would lead a president to show up without giving anyone a heads up at a hospital? >> let's put it into context? the president's health is managed by the white house medical unit. they're one of the best medical units in the world. the doctors, the medical practitioners that make up the unit are with the president 24 hours a day. there's not a moment they're not within arms length of him. they needed the capabilities that went beyond their -- >> so again, that's just another anomaly. it's healthy to ask why did that happen? >> stephanie grisham said over the weekend, he is in good health, it was a routine
checkup, i've given plenty of on the record statements. conspiracy theories need to stop. remember, why should the american public take this president's word? >> this is public relations 101. we spent a lot of time doing fact checking on small things. it's not beyond the realm of possibility. they may be untruthful on a large thing. our job is to ask tough questions. especially when there's a lack of transparency. we heard that information coming out that we can judge for ourselves and ask questions and follow-ups. we're going to continue to look at these anomalies and ask
questions. this isn't personal, if this happened to the pope, we'd be asking the same questions. >> it's a national security kpoern end to this. the messaging from the white house is key, he's in perfect health. >> why not get out and say -- these were the routine tests he had undertaken. the president is in perfect health. our foreign adversaries are looking at this going is this a point of vulnerability. ? an end game here that we don't know about, i think that you have to look at this from a lot of different optics, the way this was messaged from the white house was more. >> to your point, this isn't your average patient. it's the most powerful person in the world, we're going to continue to ask tough questions until we get answers. this is the leader of the country. again, the most powerful person in the world, we will ask those questions, especially as it relates to his health. >> on the fact that he jumped --
it was a motorcade that took him to walter reed. >> this seemed to be an often the record movement. this is something they -- it's a low profile movement within the district of colombia, on an otr movement, hmx which is the president's marine one helicopter is not utilized. >> thanks very much. >> former new york mayor michael bloomberg is apologizing for his controversial stop and frisk policy. the reverend of the church where he apologized joins me next. and more on our breaking news this hour. the house is looking into whether president trump lied to robert mueller under oath. we'll be right back. ♪
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i didn't understand that back then. the full impact that stops were having on the black and latino communities. now, hindsight is 2020. but as crime continues to come down as we reduce stops and as it continued to come down under the next administration, i now see that we could and should have acted sooner and acted faster to cut the stops. i wish we had i'm sorry that we didn't. >> a.r. bernard is the founder and pastor of the crist yarn cultural center in brooklyn. where michael bloomberg apologized for the stop and frisk policy on sunday. >> does the mayor personally reach out to you about coming to your church? >> we've had a personal relationship over the last 19
years. there have been ongoing conversations about this. he reached out and said, what do you think. we had a very good solid discussion. >> he said i want to apologize? this is what i huang the to do. i was willing to open up our church to do this. >> tell me why. >> you have an opportunity to reflect on what you did. i think he was doing that. so, of course it's time to be suspect. because he's talking about a presidential run. but he said, i'm sorry. and people are going to interpret that however they choose, but we're going to watch and see what he does beyond the
apology. >> we'll get to what he does in a second, how did your congress gants interpret it, did you get a mixed reaction? >> my congregation is respectful. they're sharp intelligent people. and they respected the fact that i would give them a platform to make his case. and it would be based on how we came across. >> for the most part, we felt it was sincere. >> does that translate into the black vote? is that something we have to see? personally, he has a benefit to the white house, how he plays it is important. >> as recently as january. as the mayor defended what he chose to do with stop and frisk, you know, a number of people have pointed out critics who said, this is mighty politically convenient for him, and charles who sat in that seat a week or two ago, is talking about the mayor and feels strongly on the other side as you, and he's a new york times opinion writer,
he wrote this column, i want to quote charles, i believe that bloomberg knew very well and understood the pain he was causing. he was making a collateral damage argument. there was a crime, and many of them were born with black or brown skin. all those should be proven guilty until proven innocent. that feels like the definition of racism. >> it's a strong word. he's wishing his opinion. and i think differing voices are important because it sharpens our judgment. but eric adams came out on sunday and said that stop and frisk was a good policing tool. the problem is, how it was applied. so you could have good intent which is what mike bloomberg said in the speech. but you have to look at the results. and the result was that it disproportionately targeted black and latino women. >> the statistics, between 2004
and 2012, more than 4.4 million were stopped and frisked. 80% were black oar latino. i'm curious, when you have a mother at injure church come up to you and say, you know what, during that time when my son was growing up in my own community. and i feared that if he was stopped he would be guilty until proven innocent. eastern i'm not so sure about this man today, what would you -- how would you council? >> she's a reflection of the tension that those who live in communities live in. the tension between wanting policing, wanting crime to go down, wanting to be protected. and at the same time, knowing that if measures are taken, someone is going to suffer the consequences, and it could be their child. i personally experienced being told while i was on the advisory council in the '90s, i was
profiled. and i get it, and we have to have these conversations. but that tension is very real. how we apply it, i think again is important. we have to take a look at the results of what we're doing, regardless of our intentions and make modifications. in 2011, bloomberg's last term, he launched a $127 million initiative toward cutting down on the factors that result in higher rates of incarceration for young black and latinos. he was trying to respond to those years that he supported it. and i think, you know -- >> i appreciate that. and you mentioned that you have been in conversations with him, i don't know how much you'll be willing to share as far as council, you offered. you did say you believe there is a path for him in terms of running for president.
i'm curious what does that path look like? >> i do believe that, he's got to gain the confidence of the american people. and look, people are -- the country is suffering from what i would call the deferral -- and that is true among marginalized and disenfranchised white and black. whether it's a hope of racial equity in america or whether it's hope of blue collar workers to have jobs and economic parody within the society. if we have a leader who can come to the table. strengthen the economy and keep it going. secure american interests abroad and make americans feel safe and whole. and deal with the inequities and the education, for me as a person of color, racialize policing the system, equity and education, and economic opportunity. i think we have a shot. when we have extremes, it creates a large middle that
becomes quite neglected. and that middle wants to hear someone who can unite, who can reach the gap, and make sense. and hopefully restore civility to our presidency. >> i hear you. we think michael bloomberg could be that person, it sounds like. >> it's possible. >> do you have any announcements you want to share on tv? >> you know. >> a girl's got to ask. thank you so much. >> pleasure. >> pleasure. a football watch party turns deadly in california, yet another mass shooting in this country. we have to talk about that, and the u.s. supreme court temporarily blocking the house from the president's financial records, details ahead. snow fore holidays. so we built a snow globe. i'll get that later. dylan! but the one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with homeowners insurance. what? switching and saving was really easy!
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deadly shooting at a walmart. this one in the parking lot at a walmart in duncan, oklahoma. police telling us a gunman opened fire killing two people inside of a vehicle before reportedly turning the gun on himself. a handgun was found at the scene. police are investigating what led to the shooting. schools were put on lockdown for a period of time but have since been given the all clear.
and fresno, california, on edge today as police launch a manhunt for two gunman who opened fire on a group of family and friends who gathered in a backyard last night to watch a football game. four young people were killed and another six are wounded. dan simon is following this for us. do police have any leads? >> reporter: at this point, they do not, brooke. but here you have another senseless killing. this one taking place in fresno, california. as you said, you had about 30 or so people there to watch a football game and about half of the people were in the backyard when these two shooters came in through a side gate and unlocked gate and started opening fire. now what i could tell you is that ten people were hit and four people died. three of them at the scene and one person at the hospital. and what police are saying is that this was not a random shooting. take a look. >> what i can tell you is this was not a random act.
it appears that this incident was a targeted act of violence against this residence. >> reporter: at this point they do not have any suspects, brooke. but it appears that authorities are investigating this possibly as a gang-related shooting. thoughner not saying that anybody at the party was affiliated with a gang but they're looking at the possibility that the shooters may have been involved with some gangs because as a result of what took place they have launched an asian gang task force and they are clearly concerned about the possibility for more violence. again, at this point, no suspects. >> dan, thank you. calls, meantime, are growing for white house adviser stephen miller to resign over white nationalist emails. we have new reporting ahead. we're carvana, the company who invented
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i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. trump said he's seriously considering testifying in the house impeachment inquiry. imagine the ratings, mr. president. "the lead" starts right now. eight witnesses, three days, another phone call and a changing story. the damning testimony and presidential anger that could surely dominate the week ahead. it's the other call in the impeachment investigation. the one where a diplomat overheard president trump asking about the investigations. and cnn went to the restaurant in ukraine where this allegedly all went down. plus, in the span of a couple of days mayor pete goes from iowa hero to polling at zero among a critical group of voters in a critical state. the troubling lack of support for him in a brand-new