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our elected leaders sit there in the same room listening to the same witnesses for hours and hours and hours. afterwards, it's like the two sides were watching two different movies. people see whatever they want to see, hear whatever they want to hear. trump's republican defenders see a conspiracy to take down a president, period. in their minds the democrats, mainstream media and the deep state are all in cahoots just to get rid of donald trump and they focus only on the evidence that backs up that point of view. meanwhile, the democrats see a president who's totally out of control abusing his office letting giuliani run amuck holding up funds risking the lives of ukrainians to smear joe biden and help his re-election and we focus only on the evidence of that but this debacle goes a lot deeper than that. there was a time when everybody knew when people had their backs against the wall, people like the ukrainians, people like the
curd ker kurds. they could look to america for help. i'm not sure that's true. regardless of what you think about impeachment, every american should feel let down and disappointed by the way the white house has treated the ukrainians. the people who voted for trump, they knew they were getting a disrupter, a norm buster. that's kind of a part of his schtick, and republicans signed up for a certain amount of rule breaking when they nominated the guy, but they didn't sign up for america betrays our closest principals, violating our sacred honor. many conservatives still think of america as ragan's shining city on a hill. they still see america as a beacon and bastian of freedom. those ukrainians are freedom fighters. there's been a lot of corruption, that's true. you have real people risking their lives, losing their lives promoting democracy and trying to stop putin from expanding his
power. world war two started when a bunch of strong men started invading countries, gobbling up territory that wasn't theirs. freedom barely survived and it might not survive now. that's why when americans vow to send money to freedom fighters, not one dollar should be delayed. they should not be playing politics with the lives and liberty of a free people. period. that's one policy we should be firm and united on, period. so i don't know honestly how this impeachment drama's going to end. the messy truth of this is, it's going to be messy. i wanted to find out how american voters are thinking of this stuff. i went back to gettysburg, pennsylvania. i've gone there in 2016 before that election. i thought things could not get worse. i went back and here's what some smart women across the political
spectrum think about the trump presidency and the impeachment hearings. take a look. >> who here voted for donald trump? >> two. >> who here voted for hillary clinton? one. who here voted for someone else? who did you vote for? >> bernie. >> wrote bernie in. >> evan mcmullen. >> let's talk about the impeachment. who here is in favor of the inquiry going forward? wow. now this is going to be interesting. you two actually agree. >> here we go. >> but i'll bet you for different reasons. i'll bet you. >> why should the impeachment inquiry go forward from your point of view. >> because he broke a law. >> which law? >> the use of united states military funding and international aid in exchange for shades of watergate,
investigate joe biden. i mean, doesn't that take you guys back to the nixon era? doesn't it? i mean, i don't know if any of you are old enough. >> i wasn't alive. >> i certainly remember watergate and that was over an investigation into the other party. >> since 2016 there's been impeach, impeach, impeach to several different attempts and it's fired the base up and we are sitting back, we're proud of our president and looking for another dead end. and that's what will happen. >> but i feel like there's very little disagreement or disbelief that there was some phone calls that transpired. he's acknowledged that. he's said, yes, i had those conversations. >> he released the transcripts which i think was very telling. >> do you not think that is a problem for democracy? is that okay to continue at that? if that is a democratic president who does that against
a republican, is that then okay? >> i'm proud of my president and i do believe -- >> but that wasn't the question. >> i do not believe that what happened is impeachable. >> that wasn't the question. do you not think that that behavior is a threat to our democracy? >> i believe that it is not a threat to our democracy and that there was nothing done that was impeachable. i really truly do. >> i have very little belief that even if he's impeached he'll actually be removed from office, but what i do know is that the actions that he took, those actions to me are dangerous for continuation of our democracy as we know it. >> i'm tired of the word impeachment. let's turn it into something else. let's come up with another word. if it's not one thing, they're going to find another thing to impeach him for. it's ridiculous. >> you two were very concerned last time i saw you about the
trump presidency. >> to allow somebody like trump to talk about women and minorities no matter whether you say he's the lesser of two evils or not, to allow a man like that to represent our great country is a sin. >> has it been worse, better, or about what you expected? >> what i expected and worse. >> in a lot of ways it's really bad and worse. >> the immigration, white supremacy groups coming out and feeling like they have more of a voice. >> so you were -- you kind of -- you had problems with trump, you had problems with hillary. you held your nose, you voted for trump. you basically feel okay with him at this point? >> i'll stick with what i said the first time around. i have faith that buried beneath the crap that he's saying that spews out of his mouth, that's not who he is. >> i wish we would have wiped the slate and started over, but
i'm happy to see that their world did not blow up so that's a good thing. i don't agree with the immigration. i think that separating your family is a horrible, horrible thing. i am happy the unemployment is down. >> what could trump do to lose your vote? >> something super crazy. i mean, i know you think he's already done a lot of surp err cra crazy things. >> what could he do to secure your vote, trump? >> i don't know. i'm just not there yet. >> well, you voted for trump and actually were a part of the campaign? >> correct. i really have been so incredibly proud of the president for several different reasons. i'm a business owner and i believe he has done for the middle class and in turn done for small business, has allowed my business to grow, and also allowed me to hire more people where i was really at a stand
still. i love how faith based he is and how he is actually leading through prayer and talking about the lord on a regular basis and he cares about the unborn children. and i do pray for our president and i pray for our country and our service people. >> i do find it harder to even want to find a common ground. i find that i get angrier. i find that when i hear somebody say donald trump is a christian or whatever, that makes me angry because it -- the gap is just too wide between what we see him do and say and the christian principles that i was raised with. it's harder now than it was in 2016 for me. >> i have a very hard time with donald trump saying he's a good christian and with a lot of the supporters saying they're good christians who think it's okay to put people in cages at the
boarder. jesus was a refugee. the picture that has been painted by many of these people that all of the refugees or people that come here illegally are all bad people, they're criminals, it's like 1% of those people are bad people. >> we can't take everybody. that's sad. that's idealism. i'm a realist. i'm a christ follower. i try to do my best, but at the end of the day i lock my doors at night. i do that to protect my family. so why should our country be any different? >> i saw you frown. what do you think about this conversation? >> oh, i only frowned about your one comment where you said painting the -- any immigrants or refugees as bad people when it's only 1%. who is painting? i mean, i don't feel like immigrants are bad people. >> his policy did. >> it doesn't paint them as evil, horrible people.
that's not what it does. it says -- >> called them -- >> he didn't say every immigrant that's coming into this country is a rapist and a drug dealer. >> he kind of did. >> kind of? >> yeah. yeah. from the president of the united states, that's really not okay. >> i think there was an implied -- i felt there was an implied reference. >> yeah. you're very confident about 2020. you're very confident that you're going to be celebrating in november and celebrating in january? >> yes. i'm not worried about one of the democratic candidates beating president trump, not one. i really have -- i watch the news. i make sure that i'm as up to date as possible. i just don't think one has the energy or the momentum that he has. >> i might be one of those that's a non-vote this time around. i probably cannot vote for donald trump. i can't see him in the white house again. i do like a lot of things that amy beth said about things that
he does stand for, but i cannot rob peter to pay paul. i cannot stand some of the things he said and done so much that i could not vote for him, but at the same time i'm still a conservative so i couldn't vote for someone that doesn't check those boxes as well. >> whether biden gets the domination, biden versus trump, this time do you vote for biden or do you write in bernie? >> i would vote in biden. if he is the only choice against donald trump then, yes, i will vote for him and hope to god that we continue on the path that we know from bernie. joe bide deb will do very well but i think a lot of progressive younger democrats, even independents, see joe as that kind of establishment candidate still that really we're trying to get away from. that's why donald trump was elected.
he was not the establishment republican candidate and i think that's what a lot of americans are still looking for is change. >> coming up, another smart woman and a hollywood legend, jane fonda is here. she's going from the screen to the streets, even to jail to do something about climate change. we're going to find out why when we get back.
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that's amazing. that's amazing. >> see, they're young. they know. >> what do they know? what does young people know? >> they know that we're facing a crisis and that their future is in danger. i'll be dead but their future. they're saying, why should we deal with this problem all by ourselves? come on, where are the adults? >> it says fire drill. your fire is coming through. that fire is coming through now. passion is coming through. you're an oscar winner, you have a tv show on netflix that's taken off. you put pause on all of that and moved to washington, d.c. going to jail. i usually try to get people out of jail. why are you so passionate you're
willing to go to jail every week on this issue? why are you? >> i read about greta doneberg. she's on the spectrum. she has aspergers. she's called out her super power and she's right. there's something about the way she focuses and talks about this crisis. she studies. she's a science nerd. when she studied the science and saw what was happening, smee reshe realized we're in the middle of a real crisis. she looked around and nobody was behaving appropriately. it traumatized her. when i read that, i knew that greta had seen the truth. she said, we have to get out of our comfort zone. we have to stop behaving like business as usual. i thought, being a celebrity, i have a big platform, especially with a hit series behind me. i've got to do more than drive an electric car and get rid of plastics and all of that. that's a good starting place.
i have to do more. that's when i decided to move here. for 40 years we've been polite, we've petitioned, asked, written, marched, but we have to go further because we weren't being heard. it wasn't making enough of a difference and we're running out of time, which means that we have to engage in civil disobedience and risk getting arrested. this has to become the new normal. >> wow. well, listen, i understand usually -- >> you're nodding. >> they're finally hearing somebody say -- >> you know what's so great, it's transformative. a lot of the people who are coming have never done this before. it's just so exciting. the entire writer's room at grace and frankie got arrested last week. >> you know, i'm an activist too. i've had my time in handcuffs. usually they walk you a couple blocks away, they cite you and release you. with you, they put your butt in
jail for a whole day, overnight. what did you experience behind bars for this cause? and what did you see and learn while you were literally locked up for this? >> well, first of all, i'm white so, you know, i benefit from white privilege and i'm famous so i was alone in a cell and there was a guard outside my cell which i thought was really interesting. the only people who can get in are guards so my experience doesn't -- isn't like other people, but the most disturbing part of being there was the prize of desperation. just words tumbling out of -- you couldn't even understand. people just howling in desperation and banging their cell doors and banging their cell walls. you know, it was clear that we are not as a nation providing safety nets to people who need them. we're not providing mental health services to people. instead, we lock them up, and that's wrong. it's only going to get worse as
the climate crises gets worse, which it will no matter what we do. so it made me really, really sad. >> for me i feel like we don't have any throw away resources or species, and we don't have any throw away neighborhoods or children either. >> it's the same mindset. >> disposability. you can throw stuff away. you have a set of demands so tell us about those. >> number one, support the green new deal because there's no way that we're going to get done what needs to be done in the shrinking amount of time we have unless everybody sees something in it for them. so that means that we have to make sure that the people who depend on fossil fuel jobs are taken care of, that they are trained with gund ood union salaries, while they're being trained they have good union jobs that can support the family. i know that they're pretty skeptical right now. oh, yeah, we've heard pledges
before. the green new deal lays it right out there. justice and fairness with the transition from fossil fuel. so that's the number one demand. support the green new deal. number two, no new fossil fuel expansion. if we don't yet keep what has been released in the ground, there's no way we're going to make the deadline. then the stuff that's already being fracked, mined, pumped, gradually phase out over 30 years. >> let me ask you a tough question. when i look at the math, it looks to me like it's going to be very hard to meet our energy needs only with solar, wind, energy efficiency. what about advanced nuclear? are we at a point where we have to look at nuclear, though it's not a clean fuel, it doesn't add carbon. is nuclear on the table or off the table? >> it's off the table as far as i'm concerned. i made a movie called "the china syndrome" which exposes some of the problems.
there's still no way to dispose of the waste. the biggest problem is what nuclear does to water. water is going to become the new gold and the nuclear industry, just like fracking, uses humongous amounts of water and pollutes it. we can't afford to do that. >> i feel like we're in this trap because if 20, 30 years ago we had started moving in a cleaner direction we would have more options. now if you have cancer, i'm going to use vegetarian stuff, chemo, if ten years from doing nothing, you may have to do chemo and surgery. your rallies are so diverse and you have so many different kinds of people coming together, including indigenous people. why is it so important that native americans and indigenous people come together? >> the climate crisis doesn't hit us in the same way.
it doesn't hit you the same way if you are black or indigenous in a place where the toxic waste has been dumped. >> this has been white, wealthy people and you are a part of changing that. why is it so important for you? >> because the people that are the most vulnerable to the climate crisis and the ones most damaged by the fossil fuel industry and petrochemical industry are on the front lines. that's one of the great things for the green new deal. it calls for centering the vulnerable communities. communities of poverty, color, indigenous communities. they have to be front and center because we have to build a huge tent if we're going to do something that is so hard. you said it, so hard. we're telling the fossil fuel industry to leave -- what is it, $11 trillion of unused fossil fuel in the ground. that's stranded assets.
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all right. we're back with the acting legend, living legend jane fonda in the house talking about this climate fight. you got on the radar screen of president donald trump. you said you were trying to get attention, you got the attention of the big guy. here's what he had to say about you and this work. >> and they arrested jane fonda. nothing changes. i remember 30, 40 years ago she always has the handcuffs on. oh, man. she's waiving to everybody with the handcuffs. >> so did you feel happy to know that you were on the radar screen for the president? >> i think not. i think not. okay. well, since you are on his radar screen, he may be watching right now. if you had a chance to talk to donald trump seriously given everything that you've said and given the amount of power that he has, what would you say to the president of the united states about the urgency of this matter. >> oh, donald -- i would get on
my knees -- can i tell you what i wanted to do right after he was elected? >> yes. >> because i -- i know him, you see? i wanted to get a lot of very, very beautiful women who are very, very smart about climate, pamela anderson being one of them, and a few scientists and i wanted to go in and have us get on our knees and say to him, you could be the hero of the world. >> that can work. >> you could be the most beloved. so i called jared kushner and he said, ivanka is the environmentalist in the family so he had her call me and i told her my idea and she laughed and she said, let me see what i can do. i never heard from her again. but, you know, i realize now, he's a petroleum president. his cabinet is a petroleum candidate. they are so in bed with the fossil fuel industry that there's nothing that even pamela
anderson could get out of donald trump. there's no point. but i feel bad. you know, that behavior is the behavior, it's the language of people who have been traumatized, and you have to hate the behavior but don't hate the person. you know, i don't hate him. i feel sad for him and what he's doing to the world is just criminal. it's just criminal. it's terrible. but we -- we have -- there's more of us and we can make a difference. >> well, listen -- you know, i want to -- and i wouldn't give up and i wouldn't rule it out. >> i'm not giving up. >> in terms of even moving the trump white house. i got a chance to work with them on criminal justice reform and a beautiful woman, kim kardashian went in there, and he moved. it will take wisdom. you have been doing this for a long time. what did you learn in the '60s
and the '70s as an activist. you became very controversial. you had a big comeback. what did you learn in those days that you want these young people to know about being an activist for change. >> first of all, i'm learning from them. i don't want to appear like i have anything to teach them but what i learned is never do things as an individual, always be part of an organization, be part of a movement. when our numbers are combined it's then that we can really make a difference. number two, don't let the bastards get you down. i have been -- i've been -- i've been attacked and vilified more than most white people and i wrote recently to greta thunberg, don't let them get to you. it shows they ayou're being eff.
otherwise they wouldn't waste time attacking you. >> women are increasingly taking the reins. greta's a young woman. you have young women stepping up. as a woman, what advice do you have? that's a whole new set of challenges that the movement faces. >> there's a number of reasons why women are in the lead. we take the brunt of the climate crisis on all kinds of levels including in our bodies because we have more body fat and that sequesters toxins and carbons and gets passed on to our children. women are on the forefront of the solutions. women have it in our bodies, the sense of interconnectedness and the commons. it's just in our dna. and so this is a collective crisis that requires collective action and i think women that in our bodies we get that. >> do you think that in this country today, you know, we've got a very qualified woman, hillary clinton, ran for president.
she won the popular vote, didn't make it into the white house. there are now a bunch of women who are running. honestly, you've seen this country through its changes and when it has not changed. can a woman beat donald trump in your view? >> oh, yeah, sure. yeah. yeah. i happen -- you know, i happen to think -- i happen to think -- i do not agree with obama, that this is not a time for bold ideas. i think this is exactly the time that people need to be brave and offer bold ideas just like franklin delano roosevelt did in the '30s in the face of the great depression. that's why donald trump won. neoliberals like hillary clinton didn't have an answer for the people so hurting in the middle of the country. donald trump, whatever we think of him, he had bold ideas, which is let's trash everything and start all over in a way that i'm not going to tell you this, but it's only going to help the really rich.
but you don't need to know that. i'm going to be there for you. they were bold ideas. nobody else was speaking for them. i was all over the middle of the country before the election. >> i remember that. >> there was no noise from hillary so that was a big mistake. >> so you think that a strong woman who's willing to bring bold ideas to everybody including the heartland could win. i will take your advice on that and i hope the country takes your advice on that. jane fonda, give her a round of applause. the democrats faced off for another debate this week. a new contender was not on that stage but he is here with us tonight. former massachusetts governor deval patrick is here tonight to give us his take. that's next. 's just like when il people about saving with geico. be confident. stand up straight. and speak with purpose. yeah? go on, give it a practice run. kelsey. kelsey. marriage? oh. okay.
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away from the iowa caucus. we still have candidates jumping into the crowded field. one of them is here. he thinks he has what it takes to unite the democratic party behind a hopeful message and then beat trump back in november. welcome back the former governor of massachusetts, deval patrick in the house. hooray. my hero. very, very good. >> thank you. thank you. >> i love it. i love it. i love it. well, as you know, you are one of my great, great heroes in american politics. >> takes one to know one. >> that's very, very kind of you. i would say you were obama before obama. you could bring people together
on a hopeful message. the last time i had you on my show, you said you saw something, too much in fighting. you weren't ready to jump in. what changed? >> first of all, thank you for having me on. i love your engagement and your wisdom and willingness to be open with a competing and better idea to get to the same goal. >> that's been on my mind, may not share the same perspective we do. in this country our division goes deep and this president has -- seems to wake up every day trying to make it deeper. >> yeah. >> these issues pre-date him, and when we come together, there really is nothing that can stop us. so this is how i thought about the opportunity more than a year ago. and i thought hard about getting in at that point. as i think you know my wife,
diane, was diagnosed with uterine cancer 2 1/2 weeks before we were ready to announce. we celebrated 35 years of marriage in may and she's cancer free. >> double clap. >> she is in great health and it's a huge blessing and relief and meanwhile the field has filled out and many of whom are my friends and i've been talking with them and thinking and watching the development of the race and it was apparent to me that it's still wide open. >> yeah. >> so what really made us sort of get off the dime is the fact that filing deadlines were upon us. we started last thursday and then from new hampshire to california to nevada to iowa to south carolina, every place i'm going i'm meeting folks who say, welcome to the race. we're glad you're here. we want to know you.
we've been waiting for you. i know and they do, i have to earn it. >> yeah, but that's a lot of work. i got tired just hearing the states you're visiting. what is missing in the existing field that made you think -- what's the gap that you're trying to fill? >> first of all, i want to be clear, for me this is not about them. it's not about any other candidate. frankly, it's not about me. it's about how we use this opportunity of huge challenges and for once or for once in a long time a democratic party that has the appetite to advocate for big ideas and has an opportunity to unite not just as democrats but as americans. you know, i describe myself as a pragmatic idealist, and that's what i brought to my work as a civil rights lawyer, as a business lawyer, as a business executive, as governor. i've been in every place trying to do what i can to make capitalism function in ways that are fair, to make government function in ways that are fair and grow the economy out to the
middle and marginalize them, not just up to the wealthy. >> you already sound different a little bit, it's a different note. you're talking about growing the economy. there's been a lot of talking about taxing the economy. you're talking about growing the economy. is that one of the ideas that needs to be brought back into the conversation? >> there have been discussions about reform, how we ultimately deliver health care and how we get a tax system that isn't as skewed. all of that is important. i have ideas around that. in fact, i've done some of that. but alongside the reform agenda, there has to be another agenda. there are ways to create the economy to participate in shaping our future. >> you've done that stuff on the public side as a government official, you've also done it on the private side.
>> yes, sir. >> some people are going to beat you up because you went to bain capital. >> ooohhh. >> 2012 we were beating up on mitt romney. >> you did a good job. >> your role at bain capital is different than mitt romney. talk about this. >> it's funny. i was co-chair of that campaign as you know in 2012. i didn't buy it then and i don't now. look, i think capitalism has a lot to answer for, a lot to answer for. i launched this business called an impact fund. double impact wierp looking for social or environmental impact. we're trying to show you tonight have to trade return for impact and that there's a way to think about long-term value that is more respectful and responsible. >> obama gave a little bit of warning to democrats saying you
can get a little bit too activist, a little bit too left, a little bit too twitter focused. you do think there's a danger to this party? how -- >> you know the last thing i'm going to do is be a pundant on my friend, the former president. look, i'm excited that the party is -- feels to me sort of fearless about big ideas. you remember in the -- i think it was at the 2012 convention when i had a couple minutes at the podium one of my points was that democrats needed to grow a backbone and stand up for what we believe. i think that's important. and as we've grown that backbony don't think it means we have to, you know, cut off our ears. we have to be open to the idea that others have something to contribute to how we accomplish some of these ideas. if you want change to last, you have to bring other people in,
including people who already or -- i don't think that can be said of any of the other candidates. >> people say why is he getting in? you sound very different than pretty much anybody else in so i think it's really, really good. however, we've got this impeachment process going on. >> yes. >> you turn on tv, i see people i've never seen before talking about stuff i don't understand. how is the whole impeachment process going to affect the race? >> i don't know. this is a grave time in our country. removing president trump through impeachment is not a small thing. i think it is enormously that we're seeing house leadership treat it soberly and i think it is important to present to the
public as tedious as it may seem sometimes to people all of that evidence so that the public can sort out what the predictions should be? >> any predictions? >> i don't dare. >> don't dare? >> the founders in their imperfect wisdom provided for situations just like this in processes and the only thing they didn't provide for are the unspoken rules. duty, decorum, restraint. that's up to us to have and to impose on our elected officials. i think that is certainly part of my -- not just my expectation but my prayer for the folks who are in service today. >> it's a part of your prayer. i am so glad you are a part of this country, as a part of this
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that you see that actual clip from side show bob being used today. >> so that is a joke obviously and an absurdity designed to get a laugh. there is so much insincerity and i believe the gop arguments as much as there is in bob's arguments that, like, there is just kind of an endless torrent of nonsense. that being i would say probably the most egregious example. >> so the idea that he was attempting to do the quid pro quo but didn't actually do the quo on the quid is that the whole line of reasoning? didn't get a chance to do it so therefore nothing to see here? >> i find it rather laughable don't you? >> it makes me kind of want to cry as well. but lest you think we are making this up i want to show awe clip of gem jordan who actually seems to be channelling your joke.
jim jordan. >> when did the meeting happen again? >> never did. >> you don't know who was in the meeting? >> which meeting are you referring to? >> the meeting that never happened. who was in it? >> in other words, part of what makes that whole character work is that if somebody, you know, looks serious and they look like they know what they're talking about and kind of playing the part they can say the most absurd things and get away with it in the simpsons but it looks like we're starting to see it happen in washington, d.c. >> it really works well. anybody coming out with some degree of authority wearing a tie and a jacket can say anything they want and a certain segment of the population will believe it because they already want to believe it perhaps is one reason. i think also that a certain segment of the population is gullible. playing to that is one of the last ditch desperation strategies the gop is using.
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good evening. you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin with breaking news. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg is in the hospital tonight. she was admitted late friday to john hopkins hospital in baltimore. we have a few details about her condition. a statement from the court only says that justice ginsburg experienced chills and a fever and she was transferred to john hopkins from a hospital in washington. let's get right out to our supreme court reporter. justice ginsburg is 86 years old. she missed oral arguments ten days ago because she was sick. what are you hearing and how