individually for the purposes of those sales. the people responsible for this collection, the officials who run this museum, say that would be an absolute horrible thought, given their cultural and historical significance. jim? >> phil black, thank you very much. thank you for joining us today. i'm jim sciutto. "at this hour" starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you so much for joining me. we start this morning about new details of an extensive effort from inside the white house to justify the president's decision to withhold aid to ukraine after the president ordered the money be held up. according to "the washington post," a white house review found emails from acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney and budget officials searching for a legal explanation for the hold after the fact, reportedly after president trump's july 25th call with the ukrainian president and

after, of course, the freeze was put in place. what was mick mulvaney trying to get at and what's the impact on the impeachment inquiry now? remember, this is what mick mulvaney told reporters from the white house just last month. >> i have news for everybody. get over it. elections do have consequences and they should, and your foreign policy is going to change. >> let's start there. cnn's sara westwood is at the white house with much more. what is the white house saying about this new reporting coming out now? >> reporter: kate, the white house, so far, is staying quiet. budget office spokesman said there's been a legal consensus at every step of the process with regard to ukrainian aid. that's not what this internal review shows. this internal review led by white house counsel's office shows in early august there was a retroactive search, led by acting chief of staff mick mulvaney to find an explanation for why that aid was suspended. keep in mind the hold, cnn has reported, was placed on that nearly $400 million of support

for ukraine in mid-july, about a week before the president had that now infamous phone call with ukrainian president zelensky. mulvaney was emailing with budget officials to try to find a legal explanation for the up hold of aid and it was several days after the white house counsel's office had been put on notice that there was concern raised about the president's conduct on that july 25th phone call. weeks after the hold had been put into plays and days after the white house was starting to register concern over the president's phone call with zelensky, that's when the search for rationale for the hold on this aid was started. mulvaney was not briefed on the findings of this view before "the washington post" story popped yesterday, sure to exacerbate between the white house counsel and mulvaney about the way the white house has been handling this impeachment inquiry.

kate, this revelation about the timeline of events surrounding the aid is so crucial. it suggests that president trump forged ahead with the hold on the aid before a documented legal rationale existed. >> great to see you, sara. thank you very much. i'm sure there's a lot more to be heard on this today. cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers and analyst and washington post columnist max. jennifer, if this is true, what "the washington post" is reporting, how does this change things for impeachment? >> i think what it shows is what we call in the legal community consciousness of guilt, right? as soon as you have a cover-up happening where people are scrambling to find a reason for something after the fact, when people are doing sbrernl reviews to try to scare up some sort of helpful defensive facts, that's when you start to see that they knew what they were doing at the time was wrong and they're now looking to cover it up. i think it will be helpful to

the impeachment inquiry. it shows that what was going on was wrong, and they knew it, despite the president's current stance to the contrary. >> it gets to a different picture, and jennifer says this. if this is true, mac, is this a cover-up? >> no question about it. the key fact here is that omb was looking for a reason to stop the aid after the whistle-blower came forward to complain about trump's phone call on july 25th with zelensky. there's no reason to stop that aid and that's one of the things that really emerged from the hearings. gordon sondland and all these other administration officials saying donald trump want aid quid pro quo. now the defense of trump and his defenders is he never said i want a quid pro quo, but it's pretty obvious what he was after because there was no other legitimate reason to hold up this aid other than the extortion scheme that had been cooked up at the highest levels

of the white house. >> when you're searching for an explanation after the fact what else is there? jennifer, chairman of the house intel committee, adam schiff, he made pretty clear just yesterday that he is not intending to wait around, really, any longer to get the likes of mick mulvaney in to testify, among other top white house officials, quite frankly. his point is that he sees it as a delay tact ic, even when you look at the grand scheme of impeachment investigations, this has been relatively short. with this new information coming out about these emails, about this review, would you suggest that he has to get at least mulvaney in the chair before he wraps this up to make a full case to the public? >> i don't think so, kate. there's no question that mulvaney has very relevant information and that he should testify, but they're right. if they continue, they meaning the white house, continue this stonewalling, it could be months before mulvaney is forced into the chair to wrap up the

impeachment inquiry. the time to get mulvaney, people are suggesting, is in the senate trial. if they go ahead and vote on the impeachment, it moves to the senate. with chief justice roberts in the chair presiding, they can subpoena witnesses to the senate trial and justice roberts will rule then and there about any applicable privileges so that witnesses, even if they are claiming some sort of executive privilege, might be forced to testify there. that may be what they're thinking. i think they do need to move ahead. all of this is coming out and the obstruction count is going to be very robust in terms of what the white house has held in terms of witnesses and documents. i think he's smart to move on. >> go ahead, max. >> kate, no one has ever tried to prevent the testimony of a witness who is going to exonerate them, right? if mulvaney's testimony, bolton, giuliani's testimony was going to help trump, why wouldn't he say go ahead and testify? this is going to be great for me. it's pretty clear, in fact, that

their testimony would be just as devastating for him as the testimony of the 12 other administration officials who testified publicly before congress. so, that's why they're trying to prevent this testimony. >> and while, you know, the statement we heard from the president previously is that they don't want to give any more to this investigation than has already been had, you can be sure when it comes to the real ity of donald trump, the reality is, he doesn't care about norms and practices if, you're right, if he wanted someone to testify, if it would be good for him, breaking presidential norms, anything like that, it would be out there. separate but related, jennifer, by the end of the day today, a federal judge would decide whether or not to force don mcgahn to comply with the sp to testify. i believe this court case goes back to april on obstruction of the white house when it comes to the russia investigation. what could this mean for the here and now, and impeachment

and what we're talking about here? >> well, many have suggested that the impeachment inquiry should also include some of the obstruction episodes from the mueller report. if don mcgahn were to come and testify, they could fold in, if they wanted to, a few obstruction counts that mueller found in his report. the problem is that i think he will not testify soon because even if don mcgahn loses that court battle, which i suspect, he will probably appeal. we're probably still in wait and see mode until an aappellate court looks at this question. don mcgahn, even if he's not friendly with the president right now, i don't think he's the sort that will come in voluntarily. i think he will keep fighting this. >> so, overall, max, thinking after two weeks of really -- i mean, it was impeachment hearings, which said another way is inundation of information for people to take in, inundation of new detail and sworn testimony

coming from folks in the circle of the impeachment inquiry. there's no sign after these two weeks of convincing republicans to change position. we haven't seen that, at least publicly yet, and breaking from the president and supporting the president. do you think that means that they're not -- that there's going to be no movement, there's going to be no change, that the lines are drawn, the vote count could be taken today, as it could have been taken two weeks ago in how it's going to land in the house, or as some have suggested, that there's so much information that folks need to marinate on it before they decide? what do you think? >> i think that's certainly possible, kate. a handful of republicans in the house and senate could be breaking with the president on this, but the overall message that the republican party has sent over the last few weeks is pretty clear. we don't care about the facts. don't confuse us with the evidence. all we care about is our loyalty

to donald trump, and we will ignore the overwhelming weight of evidence, if necessary. and in the course of doing that, of course, republicans have engaged in these crackpot conspiracy theories, cooked up in moscow. this is the party of ronald reagan. >> and john kennedy, for speaking out yesterday, saying it could have been ukraine instead of russia, who hacked the dnc. >> john kennedy is one of many, propulgating these theories. they're also villifying these dedicated civil servants, military fors and others who have testified, including questioning lieutenant colonel vindman's loyalty to this country. they're willing to say and do anything to defend this president. the only thing they're not able to do or say is mount a defense because it's clear donald trump is guilty and republicans try to keep changing the topic because

when it comes to the evidence, they don't have a case. >> let's see what two more weeks bring, or maybe just another day. thank you, max, jennifer. coming up next, the secretary of the navy pushed out over the war crimes case of a navy s.e.a.l., and a whole lot of involvement by president trump. so, what really happened? and what is the impact now? we're back after this.

the pentagon in turmoil right now after richard spencer is fired. edward gallagher had been demoted by breaking regulations for posing next to a dead body of an isis fighter. president trump reversed that decision and then a pentagon review was undertaken. that is what created something of a standoff between military officials and the white house, and kind of gets us where we are today. secretary spencer, in issuing his -- well, acknowledging his resignation on sunday made clear his issue is with the president. let me read you what he said, in part. i no longer share the same understanding with the commander in chief, who appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. i cannot, in good conscience,

obey an order i believe violates the sacred oath i took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the constitution of the united states. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me now with much more. barbara, there's yet more news coming out. secretary spencer -- secretary esper, rather, just spoke to reporters. what did he have to say today? >> well, he did. and i think it's fair to say that the pentagon, right now, is befuddled by spencer's letter, to say the least. what he doesn't say, while he makes objections to his c conscientiousness, he does not talk about the back channels with the white house that would have been according to the pentagon a precooked deal that he would be able to keep his

trident status, navy s.e.a.l. status essentially. that would have been an impartial review of gallagher's status. what's striking here is that esper now, very publicly adamant that he knew nothing about what the navy secretary was up to with the white house and because he knew nothing about it, he felt very strongly that spencer had essentially gone behind his back, violated chain of command and that spencer had to go. kate? >> barbara, thank you so much. appreciate it. with me now, paul reikopf, host of "angry americans," and spokesman for the pentagon, retired marine. thanks for being here. paul, it seems the twist and turn of every day is confusing. overall, what do you make of all of this, how it went down, from eddie gallagher's case, the president stepping in, getting involved in his case, his dem

demotion and then what's gone on with esper and spencer. >> it's chaos. he's president chaos. now it's flowing over into the pentagon. this is not new. go back to the trans ban, the kurds, mattis, this. trump is at odds with his own military. we'll find out what happened with esper and who spoke to who. you're in uniform right now, you see chaos at the top, leadership that's not on the same page and senior leader saying that the president gave him an unlawful order and he's not going to follow it, and that guy is out. it comes on the back of the resignation of mattis. what good order and discipline means, what it means to be lawful in the military. commander in chief is at odds with the navy s.e.a.l.s, we've got a problem. >> another shade of exactly what paul is talking about, david, when it comes to what has happened here, this comes down to a question of chain of command. the president is the commander in chief. who is stepping out of line

here? >> great point, kate. the president is the commander in chief. so, does he have the authority to take these actions? he does. but that doesn't make it right. it doesn't make it the right decision. it doesn't leave it open that nobody should be able to question or criticize him. so, beyond the authority, look at the ramifications. look at what we've seen already. and look at the corrosive effects this has had. look at the firing, resignation, whatever it was, of secretary spencer. active duty navy chief going on television and publicly disparaging senior leaders in the navy. that just, again, demonstrates to me the corps corrosive effect and i don't think it's done. >> eddie gallagher went on fox news over the weekend, spoke out

against his superiors, retiring at the end of this month. he's active duty, sitting on fox news, trashing his superiors. what does that mean? >> you asked who is out of line. the president is out of line. he is reaching into the military, meddling with discipline with regard to the navy s.e.a.l.s and gallagher is out of line. he was convicted of one charge and the rank was taken away. the navy decided to take the rank away. the president reached in and decided to throw a grenade in that. this really undermines the division that's supposed to exist between politics and our military. it's bad for our military, the navy s.e.a.l.s, bad for our politics. the only people it really benefits is our enemies. our commander in chief and military at war themselves and our enemies are licking their chops. they love this. that's bad for america. >> david, you agree that the president getting involved here hurts the military, could actually endanger service members. why, then, do you think the president is getting involved? not only in this case, but also in two other cases, two other

military cases offering clemency just this month? this is what's sticking out to me. if the military officials that he says he always has the best generals around him, he doesn't trust their advice, take their advice. why is he doing it, do you think? >> i think this is where it gets into, rather than acting as a commander in chief, it's acting as a reality tv show host or producer. it's all about conflict, controversy, ratings, making decisions on his own and ignoring the advice of people that are experienced and have background. now, yes, they are advisers. ultimately, the president makes the decision. but going against all the advice of the most senior people, the most experienced people around you, as paul said, to reach down into the chain of command, he has basically taken a navy e-7 and made him virtually

untouchable. >> paul, david, this is not the last we'll be discussing this. thank you so much for being here. i really, really appreciate it. >> thank you so much, kate. >> he is jumping into the presidential race late. he is skipping the early states and is not accepting -- not seeking or accepting donations. what is michael bloomberg's strategy to win the democratic primary? we'll talk to his campaign manager, next. re real people than me: jd power. 448,134 to be exact. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories about vehicle quality. and when they were done, chevy earned more j.d. power quality awards across cars, trucks and suvs than any other brand over the last four years. so on behalf of chevrolet, i want to say "thank you, real people." you're welcome. we're gonna need a bigger room.

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one day after officially entering the 2020 race, michael bloomberg is officially hitting the trail, campaigning in virginia this afternoon. but even before that, the new york city mayor is rolling out his first campaign ad, largely focused on introducing himself, reintroducing himself to some to voters. take a look. >> now he's taking on him, to rebuild the country and restore faith in the dream that defines us, where the wealthy will pay more in taxes and the middle class get their fair share. everyone without health insurance can get it, and everyone who likes theirs, keep it. where jobs won't just help you get by but get ahead. on all those things, mike bloomberg intends to make good. >> this initial rollout, part of

a massive naibl nationwide ad buy over the next two weeks at least $37 million on tv ads. he has a lot of work to do. latest polling of voters in early states, only 20% saying plo bloomberg is a candidate they would consider. 49% said they are not considering him. michael bloomberg's campaign manager joins me now. good morning. >> good morning. >> in speeches he will be making, you'll be near the largest naval base in norfolk and getting right to the news and talking about the resignation or firing of navy secretary richard spencer. can you clue us in on what his take is? >> yeah. it's obviously in the news today. >> yeah. >> your guest before this talked about president chaos. obviously, mike is going to comment on it. mike is getting in this race because he thinks that donald trump is an existential crisis and he thinks he's on a path to

victory. he's getting in to alter that dynamic. we'll run a campaign against the president, to try to make mike the nominee and bring those things together. both of those things are happening right now. obviously he will talk about in virginia the electrics that occurred there recently. mike, listen, really led a campaign to elect democrats to the house of delegates. it's a very long time that democrats hold both houses and the governorship. it's been a fight for us for a very long time because of all the illegal guns that come out of the state of virginia and flow to the rest of the country, an issue for the environment. >> and bloomberg has talked about the impact from a private sector, from the outside in on political process. just in september, eight weeks ago, when i asked him, he said truth of the matter is when you look at the layout of who is going to vote and where the country is, i would be very unlikely to get elected. that was eight weeks ago. what's changed? >> we're focused on defeating

trump. if you look at the polls, and people can't focus on this, the general election is in six states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, north carolina and flchlt that's the whole general election. right now, donald trump is winning. he is winning that election. it's very tough for people who don't live in new york or california to understand that, but that's what's happening. mike was doing everything he could from the sidelines and finally decided it wasn't enough to sit on the sidelines and he needed to do what he could to alter that dynamic. >> to get to those states to take on donald trump, you have to win the primary. you're getting in -- you're skipping the first four nominating contests, there's no example of that ever working to actually secure the nomination. >> so let's talk about those first nominating conventions. we have a campaign in early states where we try to pick a nominee through a small state in the upper midwest and northeast and that's it. then you largely have a front-runner, someone trying to catch them. the rest of the country is left out of that.

>> it's about the momentum. >> no, it's not. >> it's about the momentum being in those states. >> no, it's not. >> no? >> you can say it's not been done before but it's never been tried before. we're not going to talk to people in one state, second state, third state. we're going to talk to everyone in the country at once and particularly those people who need to vote in the swing states ultimately to vote against donald trump. we launched a campaign yesterday, we didn't launch it in four states that have 4% of the available delegates as part of that process. we launched it in 16 states which have 40% of the available delegates. we have to bring all americans together. they have to engage. >> getting in is also a statement on the state of the race. >> no question. >> getting in now is about the state of the democratic party. how he has said that the reason he wouldn't get in is because he and joe biden would split votes. he has said that. >> yeah. >> how is this not a complete vote of no confidence in the joe biden candidacy? >> three things in my view are going to happen unless we can change the current status of politics in america.

impeachment, acquittal and re-election. right? that is what's happening. "the new york times" released a poll beginning this month that has donald trump not winning one of those swing states i talked about. "new york times" released a poll having him win all six states, florida, michigan, maybe one other state. >> what you saw in joe biden? >> what we see is a process, right, which is not involving americans from one end of the country to the other and is allowing president trump to run the election that he wants to run in those states, in those congressional districts around the country. the best analysis i saw today, the most rational analysis comes from one of the most frightening people you can think of, steve bannon, there are 31 congressional districts in this country which fundamentally swing. >> you're not getting -- i saw that. you're not getting the endorsement of steve bannon but him giving you the analysis you want to hear is not something you want to run on. >> i've never met steve bannon

but in the end of the day, it's 31 congressional districts. it's like everyone else chasing a soccer ball. and mike blomburg is going to get in, focus on his record on the environment, gun control. >> how does he respond to bernie sanders when he says that is why multi-billionaires like mike bloomberg are not going to get very far in this election because we do not believe that billionaires have the right to buy elections. >> bernie can run his campaign. he's raising money. the other candidates are raising money. >> how can you not raise money? are you accepting contributions? >> we'll respect the process. mike will accept no contribution. >> you're not going to make -- >> not until the dnc changes their rules and we'll respect them until they do. top republican on the house intelligence committee is facing a potential ethics investigation. what's behind one of trump's

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so an attorney for the associate of rudy giuliani who was recently indicted, he tells cnn that he is ready, lev

parnas, and willing to testify that the top republican on the house intelligence committee met last year with the former ukrainian official at the center of the impeachment inquiry. the purpose, according to the attorney for lev parnas, digging up dirt on joe biden. to put it another way, this attorney says devin nunes took a trip to ukraine to ask for the same dirt that the president has asked for in that phone call to the president of ukraine. what does devin nunes has to say to this? listen to how he answer aid pretty direct question on fox business yesterday. >> bottom line, were you in vienna with shokin? >> so, yeah, look, maria, i want to answer all these questions and i promise i will come back on the show to answer these questions but because there is criminal activity here, we're working with the appropriate law enforcement agency, we're going to file all this.

>> here with me now, former republican congressman from pennsylvania. as you know well, it is not hard to say no to a direct question like that if you so want to. you are, importantly for this conversation, former chairman of the house intelligence committee. at least one democrat is calling on house ethics to look into this now. if this reporting is true, what does it mean and what should congress do? >> well, kate, again, if true, then i would say representative nunes has a very serious problem, because one cannot use official resources or taxpayer resources for a campaign purpose. now, granted, he's not using it for his political opponent but the president's political opponent. so likely a complaint would be filed and i suspect the committee, ethics committee would take up the matter at some point. so i think it's pretty serious, if true. >> what did you think of this allegation in general, of what -- he sat in this committee

hearing for two weeks, right, kind of helping to oversee these impeachment hearings. if this is sitting in the background, if true, what does it mean? >> well, i'll tell you what, i -- devin nunes and other members of the intelligence committee have oversight responsibilities with respect to this ukraine scandal and now, again if true, devin nunes is part of this whole mess that he's supposed to be overseeing. i think that certainly puts him in a very difficult spot in terms of his oversight responsibilities as ranking member on the intelligence committee. and that would be an issue for, you know, representative mccarthy to deal with as the leader on the republican side. and i have known devin for years. he was a pragmatic member in 2013 when he coined the term to explain extremist activities on

the republican side. i think this is a very serious problem, again, if true. >> speaking of conspiracy theories, one involves ukraine, not russia, meddling in the 2016 election, a conspiracy theory that's been debunked that ukraine was involved. it's a theory trump's former homeland security adviser said point blank has no merit and needs put to rest. but some republicans can't let this go. i mean, one senator, republican senator john kennedy, what he said just yesterday. >> senator kennedy, who do you believe was responsible for hacking the dnc and clinton campaign computers, their emails? was it russia or ukraine? >> i don't know. nor do you, nor do any of us. miss hill -- >> let me just interrupt to say the entire intelligence

community says it was russia. >> right, but it could also be ukraine. >> on its face, this goes way beyond defending the president in the face of impeachment, congressman. i mean, what do you do with this? >> well, look, it's clear, according to the intelligence community, russia are the ones who meddled and caused all the problems. they keep referring to this crowdstrike conspiracy theory. it's nonsense. they're trying to simply muddy the waters. the facts are so bad for the president as it relates to the quid pro quo and the abuse of power and misconduct in office that they are simply grasping at anything, even these phony conspiracy theories and, you know they complain about adam schiff. they pound a shoe on the table, say they've been treat ed

unfairly procedurally. that's all they can do. the fact is that they should not be pedaling in this conspiracy theory. they're questioning the authority and frankly the integrity of the intelligence community, which has been very clear about this from the get-go. >> as fiona hill would put it, promoting and repeating russian propaganda, where she says this all comes from. good to see you, congressman. i can't wait to see what next conspiracy theory we'll have to debunk. why then is this ohio farmer leaving the republican party and planning to run for congress against potentially one of the president's biggest allies? he joins us next. he could've just been the middle class kid who made good.

but mike bloomberg became the guy who did good. after building a business that created thousands of jobs he took charge of a city still reeling from 9/11 a three-term mayor who helped bring it back from the ashes bringing jobs and thousands of affordable housing units with it. after witnessing the terrible toll of gun violence... he helped create a movement to protect families across america. and stood up to the coal lobby and this administration to protect this planet from climate change. and now, he's taking on... him. to rebuild a country and restore faith in the dream that defines us. where the wealthy will pay more in taxes and the middle class get their fair share. everyone without health insurance can get it and everyone who likes theirs keep it. and where jobs won't just help you get by, but get ahead. and on all those things mike blomberg intends to make good.

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he is one of president trump's fiercest defenders on capitol hill. now republican congressman jim jordan may be facing a new battle back at home as one of his constituents is . he's a farmer, a former republican county chairman. also someone you know from this show. watch. the president, played a clip, he said that we were patriots. i tell you what, to me, that's just a design to make me continue to be quiet. and i'm not going to be quiet. >> gibs is now launching an exploratory committee as we speak. and he joins me now. it's good to see you. thank you for joining me, mr. gibs. >> hi, kate, how are you doing? >> i'm doing good. we have talked about the trade war, why now do you want to run for congress? >> i tell you what, the two party system has failed americans. right now these parties are

moved into just fortresses where people cast aspersions and attacks from one side to another, and people are just literally tired of that. you know, i came up in the party of reagan, of bush, where we're talking about a shining city on the hill, we were talking about a thousand points of light, we were talking about conservatism, compassionate conservatism and all of that is gone. that's gone. what we've got now is just two sides warring against each other and it's just not working out, and that's why i've declared my independence. >> but is it something about -- >> populism is -- go ahead. >> is it something about president trump, because we know you have stood up to him when we have had our conversations or is it something specific about jim jordan that's pushing you to throw your hat in the ring. >> now, this is bigger than that. listen, populism, the destructive nature of populism has crept into both of these parties, and i'm just not a

populist. i describe populism this way. it's nothing more than a perennial search to find the villain to slay and then never a plan of what to do with the body. so let me give you an example because populism comes in two flavors, on the far left and the far right. on the far left, who's the villain, anybody that you perceive that has more than you do, because obviously they cheated to get it. obviously they stepped over somebody lesser to get it. obviously they don't deserve it, and obviously they should give 3/4 of it away. what are you going to do once you slay that villain. who's going to be the job creators, who are going to be the persons who are philanthropic, who's going to be the idea creators. who knows. on the right, it's much more insidious, who's the villain, anybody that disagrees with you, our allies, mexico, canada, japan, our institutions, the

fbi, our intelligence service, our service members, our career service people, service members who wear purple hearts, they're all villains, what are we going to do when we slay all of those, what's the plan after that, after we've discredited our neighbors, and so on and so forth. so i've declared my independence from the party. we can do better as a people, we can do better. people need to be listened to and that's why i've declared my independence from the republican party. >> jim major djordan, it's an u climb. his last reelection he won with 65% of the vote. what's going to be your final deciding factor here if you're going to actually launch an independent run? >> well, we're going to move out on a listening tour because that's what's been missing in this district and certainly across the foundation as well is somebody who will listen to concerns and so we're going to

do that over the next month or so, and listen to people in the district because, you know, unless in this district, unless you're from the far right, unless you accept all of that ideology, you're not represented, and the first place i'm going to stop is organized labor. i'm going to talk to those folks. i'm going to talk to nurses and so on and so forth down the line. people need to be listened to, and i think it will make a big difference. >> we'll see. i'm very interested to see what your decision is. chris, thanks for coming in, i appreciate your time. >> take care. >> we'll be right back. and well with medicare advantage plans that offer health coaching and fitness memberships. plus hospital, medical and prescription drug coverage in one simple plan. with monthly plan premiums starting at $0. and wide provider networks, including doctors and hospitals you know and trust. aetna medicare advantage plans call today. we'll send you a $10 visa reward card with no obligation to enroll. medicare annual enrollment ends december 7th.

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to go renew uber's license. alison kosik joins me with more on this. what is happening. >>s difference is because this has happened before, it's turning into a matter of confidence. uber has had its license taken away and the transportation regulator is losing confidence in the company and the city is questioning whether uber has the processes in place to avoid a serious safety breach in the future. the regulator is saying there are egregious things uber doing, listing a pattern of failures that put passenger safety and security at risk. the breaches including stunning vulnerabilities in the app. there have been 14,000 trips involving unauthorized, uninsured drivers who have actually uploaded their photos to the accounts of other uber drivers allowing them to pick up passengers as if they're the booked driver. now uber is calling the decision wrong. it's appealing this decision. meantime, uber can continue to operate in london while the case is being heard.

this is a major gut punch for uber. if this ban winds up sticking, some analysts are saying this could be a seismic blow to uber's european operations. right now, we're not seeing a huge movement in the stock. >> a huge account. good to see you, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. and thank you so much for joining me today. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate. and welcome to "inside politics" i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. big turmoil at the pent impagon navy secretary is forced out of. plus, your turn mr. president, what about the e-mails, there's a deep white house paper trail about an issue central to the impeachment debate, why did the president install aid to ukraine. michael bloomberg is running for president his way, skippin