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for watching. you can also follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer and tweet the show @cnnsitroom. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. out front next, don't mess with me. speaker nancy pelosi goes full steam ahead on impeachment. what now? the house assistant speaker is my guest. plus rudy giuliani is back in ukraine and there are pictures to prove it. what's he doing? he says he's working for his client, by the way. why are some democrats moving to the the right? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, an impeachment vote is happening. house speaker nancy pelosi taking the irrevocable step in asking for formal articles of impeachment. she said in an article, don't mess with me. despite her announcement this is happening.
president trump says he's not concerned. >> are you concerned about what impeachment might have on your legacy? >> no, not at all. >> fact the president claimed on twitter, not only is he not afraid, he said hurry it up. if you're going to impeachment, do it now, fast so we can have a fair trial in the senate so the country can get back to business. trump's claim to have no worry and no worry about his legacy is a whole lot of talk. this is the same donald trump saying it wasn't possible for clirn clinton to have a great legacy because very few presidents were impeached so that hurt him very much. obviously now he says he feels differently and even as trump says he wants an impeachment and a fast one his own party isn't on the same page. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell taking the exact opposite stance as the president as to how fast this could go. he's accusing pelosi of moving too quickly. mcconnell tweeting, quote, this
morning speaker pelosi had a rushed and partisan impeachment process. rushed even though the president of the united states says he wants it fast. so it's pelosi and trump versus mcconnell? all right. why do republicans think that speaker pelosi is doing this and moving ahead? here's house minority leader kevin mccarthy today. >> this is the day the nation is weaker because they surely cannot put their animosity or their fear of losing an election in the future in front of all of the other things that the american people want. >> animosity. a charge pelosi took on head-on today when asked. >> do you hate the president, madam speaker? >> i don't hate anybody. i don't -- i don't hate anybody, not anybody in the world. so don't -- i did not accuse
you. >> you did. >> i asked a question. >> representative collins yesterday suggested that the democrats are doing it because they don't like the guy. >> let me make the point. >> think the president is a coward when it comes to helping kids who are afraid of gun violence. i think he is cool cruel when helping the dreamers. i think he's in denial about the climate crisis, however, that's about the election. this is about the election -- take it up -- this is about the constitutional of the united states, and the facts that leads to the president's violation of his oath of office and as a catholic, i resent your using the word hate in a sentence that addresses me. i don't hate anyone. i was raised in a way that is a heart full of love and always pray for the president and i still pray for the president. i pray for the president all the time so don't mess with me when
it comes to words like that. >> okay. so why is she doing this? moving ahead with articles now? i want to have you listen to that one key line. >> this is about the constitution of the united states, and the facts that lead to the president's violation of his oath of office. >> you would think that republicans would understand that logic, right? because here's what they said in 1998, of course, when bill clinton was the one being impeached. >> we have a constitutional duty. >> impeachment is about cleansing the office. impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office. >> manu raju is out front on capitol hill. m manu, you've been there all day talking to democrats and republicans, is anyone opening their door and swifrping sides
on their vote for impeachment. >> one republican congressman, francis rooney who has kept the door open to supporting impeachment said to me that he may be shutting the door. in his view, the democrats are rushing to judgment because they've now gone to court to fight to get some of the witnesses that the white house, the president has blocked from coming to testify including mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff. others he's opposed moving forward on the impeachment similarly, when it comes time to vote and two in particular, max rose of new york who told me -- sorry, that jeff van drew of new jersey who told me earlier today that he's not prepared to move forward on articles of impeachment as well as colin peterson signaling he wasn't going to be there either. some democrats are moving too broadly on the articles of impeachment and that's max rose of new york. he got behind supporting moving forward on the impeachment
inquiry and narrowly focused on the issue of ukraine. they may go beyond ukraine and include other elements of the president's behavior and namely how he sought to undermine the mueller probe as detailed in the mueller report. a lot of democrats want that included in the articles of impeachment as part of obstruction of justice, but some democrats are worried about going too far, so that debate, erin, going to take place behind the scenes as democrats draft multiple articles of impeachment and those could happen before christmas. >> manu, thank you very much. out front tonight assistant house speaker congressman ben luhan. you saw the speaker today and she was walking away from the podium when she decided to return on this issue of hating the president. she felt she wanted to do that. she said don't mess with me. she rarely comes back with that. is this now deeply personal for her? >> i think that a person that was asking that question tried
to make this personal. the speaker as she always does was very clear with that response. this is not about anything else except defending the constitution of the united states. we don't hate the president. that's not what this is about. this is about making sure that we're getting to the bottom of the answers to all of these questions and the clear evidence that has now presented itself for the president of the united states had abused his power and has undermined our elections and has put his own personal gain ahead of national security. that's what the speaker is making abundantly clear, and i would hope that even kevin mccarthy, that he would understand, this is not about an election. this is about defending the constitution of the united states of america, and i certainly hope that the minority leader, and kevin mccarthy understands his responsibility to defend the constitution of the united states of america and uphold our obligation to the
country. >> okay. you bring up kevin mccarthy and today, as you know, he expects some in your party, democrats to oppose articles of impeachment and formalizing the inquiry at the beginning and congressman jeff van drew who manu just mentioned him. he plans to vote against the articles and that's where he is right now. let me play it so you can hear it, congressman luhan. >> unless there's something, again, that i haven't seen, haven't heard before, that has been my position. for reasons that i've staked out and for numerous reasons that i've staked out. for numerous reasons, be careful what you wish for. >> is that embarrassing coming from a democrat? >> each and every one of us has an obligation to review the facts that are presented in front of us, and i know that the evidence that i've read in the transcripts, in the report that was made available by the chairman of the intelligence
committee, adam schiff lays out very clearly where i believe and the report lays out that the president has abused his power and has broken the law and we need to make sure as the congress as laid out by the founders that we hold this president accountable. again, no one is above the law, and i think it's critically important that we come together and that we hold this president accountable. >> on the other side of the ledger, one republican who signalled that he is open to voting for impeachment thinks that this is all going too fast. he's gone into that camp, and that could possibly cost you his vote. here's congressman frances rooney today. >> i think they would be better serving the american people if they slowed down and got fought the privilege and got the first-hand people, do the thorough kind of thing that's been done before instead of a rush to judgment. we have the john dean type. that bothers me. >> is that enough for you to
voting against articles of impeachment? >> it might be. >> is he looking for an excuse? i understand if you fight this through court to try to get those individuals, mick mulvaney, john bolton, that this isn't going to end any time soon. you could be talking months so you're between a rock and a hard place. do you think that congressman rooney is looking for an easy offramp here to find a way to vote against this? >> i hope my colleagues understand is from the very beginning with the call notes that were released, we found out directly from the call with president donald trump and the president of ukraine that donald trump asked the president of ukraine for a favor and was holding out hundreds of millions of dollars in funds for national security purposes. after that, we had the president's chief of staff mick mulvaney confess on national television about this crime and we've had the president's personal attorney and rudy giuliani admit guilt by the
president. so the evidence was clear from the very beginning. witness after witness, record after record that's been made available shows the crimes that i believe have been committed and the report lists out. so i'm not certain what our colleagues are looking at, but if they just look at the evidence that's been presented and the confessions that had come from the trump administration and themselves including mick mulvaney and the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani, they can see for themselveses it occurred. it's pretty important that the chairs of the committees come together now and draft articles of impeachment that we take time to read those and review those before they come up for the vote before the house. >> congressman, thanks. >> thanks for having me. house speaker nancy pelosi, she's going to be taking questions. a live cnn town hall tonight. jake will moderate that and it starts at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. next, a top republican giving trump some advice tonight on the senate impeachment trial
and his message, don't testify. plus rudy giuliani's secret trip to ukraine is not a secret anymore. he's there. we've got the pictures. and two fringe lawmakers he met with there outed trump's personal attorney on photos. joe biden gets in the face of an iowa voter who challenged him about his son. >> you're a damn liar, man. that's not true and no one has ever said that. (alarm beeping) welcome to our busy world. where we all want more energy.
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majority to dismiss an impeachment trial and majority and it's over, not even going to happen and even with a majority republican senate, there are enough republicans who want a full process and a fair trial to ensure that a vote to dismiss the impeachment out of hand would fail. pamela brown is out front at the white house. pamela, the white house has to admit this reality and prepare for that trial? that's right. the white house, erin, is looking ahead to the inevitable, the anticipateden is at trial focusing on the communications and legal strategies. white house counsel pat cipollone will take the lead in the trial and he's been talking with republican lawmakers and more than two dozen lawyers in his office have spent the last few months mounting a robust defense of prdesident trump, researching what past presidents have done any researching past impeachments to book a meeting with zelensky and hold up military aid that the democrats say was an abuse of power of his
office. the president said today as we heard, erin, he's not concerned being impeached by the house. that it would be a stain on his legacy and something we've heard before. president trump has threaddread become the third president to be impeached and so that the probe can go to the senate where the white house believes it can score political points and distract from the central allegation surrounding the president. trump also claims to have settled on witnesses in a senate trial including the bidens and speak speaker pelosi and house intel chief, it's ultimately up to majority leader mitch mcconnell to decide who will be called and it's far from certain which witness e if any, will be called to testify. >> out front now, david gergen, cnn senior political reporter nia malika henderson and former assistant fbi director and
republican senator of nevada greg brower. what do you think that he does not have the republican votes to dismiss a potential senate trial if president trump is impeached? >> well, he may have two different groups and we're not quite sure how many members are in each group and one group, mitt romney would be behind and he's not sure there's enough there to justify a trial and he wants to get it behind us and there's another group, how many republicans think actually that they will benefit politically from having a trial. they haven't had a chance yet to run and the house democrats have been running the show and this is the first opportunity on the republican side and they can make rhetorical points and factual points, i hope, that will reverse public opinion and bring a majority against the whole proceeding and i just
don't think we know at this point how many people are in each group. >> so, nia, here's what we've heard from republicans in the house about this impeachment investigation because to david's point, they're the ones who have been doing most of the talking. here they are. >> what we see in this impeachment is a kangaroo court and chairman schiff is acting like a malicious captain kangaroo. this whole thing is a fairytale. >> those of you at home, time to change the channel and turn down the volume or hide the kids, put them to bed. i yield to mr. schiff's story time hour. >> they're treating it completely like a farce, disrespecting the process and the concept. do you think senate republicans will talk like this or will we see a difference? >> david talks about the two groups of republicans and maybe there are more than that, but i do think you have a group, maybe people like john kennedy and lindsay graham who may be talking like the folks on the house side, folks who are die
hard donald trump fans. some of whom are up for re-election and lindsay graham, for instance and there are people like mitch mcconnell who are institutionalists and mitt romney and you think of susan collins and lisa murkowski and the most independent-minded folks up for re-election particularly someone like susan collins. they want a trial and an event in the senate that is befitting the institution of the senate, right? remember what the senate is known as. it's known as the cooling chamber, right? if passions run hot in the house as what we saw there, it will be cooled off in the senate. it doesn't really do the senate as a brand and mitch mcconnell is someone who is an institutionalist do them any good to let this turn into a circus, but i do agree with david. they'll certainly try to change public opinion and probably continue to try to make a dent into biden, but listen, there are risk for that, too, because if you're trying to call biden
as donald trump wants to do, then what about mick mulvaney and folks like that. >> democrats want to hear from joe biden, and the house intel chairman and democrats want the other, right? they want mike pompeo, mick mulvaney, they want john bolton. the question though, is you have a republican-controlled senate and this is a different set of math and system that we're going to see where adam schiff can shut anything they wanted down. do you think we'll see any of these people as witnesses? >> i doubt it. i think with respect to the republicans, most republicans in the senate i think understand that those republican house witnesses, if you will, biden and biden and schiff are really irrelevant and in no ordinary trial would witnesses of such little or no relevance ever be allowed to testify and for the democrats in the senate, i think like the democrats in the house,
they're comfortable with the fact that if witnesses like pompeo, mulvaney and bolton are not going to testify, they're perfectly okay with taking an adverse inference from their absence assuming that if they had anything exculpatory to offer with respect to the president that they would be there at the president's insistence, and if they're not there that means they have nothing favorable to offer. >> in which case, it's hard to drag this out. if they don't have a whole heck of a lot more people how can they take their time? >> i think that is absolutely right. what is a question for me is in the house we had not one single republican that i can remember who thought that the president did anything wrong, that he did anything inappropriate. there was curiosity and i wanted to hear from mulvaney and bolton and pompeo and the like, and now the same thing happens in the senate, and i think that's risky
for the republicans to sound anything like the house members and to take that view that nothing happened and to just move along because then it looks like they're accomplices, frankly and building a stonewall and if they're not challenging the president at all with the question. >> that's been more than 70 documents and 12 witnesses that the white house has refused to provide so far. please stay with because next, rudy giuliani is in ukraine. we have new photos and the secret trip and the people that he was meeting with, fringe lawmakers who have pushed conspiracy theories and allegations. guess what? they're the ones who posted the pictures and there he is, rudy in ukraine. insulting nancy pelosi. what did he say? it's time to make mopping history. introducing the new braava jet m6 robot mop. with an adjustable precision jet spray and advanced pad system
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tonight, rudy giuliani is in ukraine. a ukrainian lawmaker posted this picture showing a meeting with giuliani. the lawmaker is a fringe political figure who has called for an investigation into -- hunter biden and has pushed the debunked claim that ukraine meddled in the u.s. election which of course president trump's own homeland security adviser has said is completely bogus, as has the entire intelligence community. giuliani has been playing coy about his whereabouts, but he did inadvertently reveal he was in ukraine in this interview. >> are you in ukraine gathering
evidence to support your own defense? >> i am not here -- i don't have to defend myself. i didn't do anything wrong. >> everyone is back with me. why do you think giuliani is playing this cat and mouse game and what he's up to. obviously, he is in ukraine. >> erin, it's really hard to explain. i saw someone earlier describe this as it's like a -- like the pilot to a dark comedy television series, and i don't know that i can come up with a better description than that. it's bizarre. he doesn't seem to be -- i can just tell you from a former prosecutor's perspective and a defense lawyer's perspective, he doesn't seem to be helping himself out at all with the things he's doing and saying while clearly under investigation and the target of a serious and ongoing criminal investigation, so i can't explain it. >> nia, a reporter for a pro-trump media outlet tweeted out pictures of giuliani meeting
with a former prosecutor general for ukraine for a report they're working on together apparently, and i want to play for you what giuliani said in this interview with eric bolling when asked what he was doing in ukraine. >> what's the ukraine trip all about? >> well, i can't really describe it. i can't even confirm it. all i can tell you is that i am doing today all day, and all night maybe, what i've been doing for a year and a half. i'm representing my client. >> his client is the president of the united states, nia. so giuliani, just to take a step back here and to make it loud and clear. giuliani would be in ukraine digging up dirt on the 2016 election and hunter biden on behalf of the president of the united states today. >> listen, this will be a very shallow dig because there's really no dirt to find. one of the problems that the president has created for himself is that he really wanted to make this hunter and joe biden and dnc server thing stick
and he got himself impeached on the way to trying to make it happen. so you see -- or possibly impeached. it looks like this will happen out of the house and you see giuliani there seeming to partner with a conservative outlet and they're working on some sort of documentary and rudy giuliani is a conspiracy theorist, right? he didn't want to come before the house. he's happy to hide behind twitter and hide behind television and outlets and he promised to bring his charts and graphs and this is something he's not going to do and he is playing this sort of cat and mouse game that he loves so much because he's also a bit of an attention whore in attentidditi being a conspiracy theorist. >> obviously, he didn't bring it up on the call with the ukrainian president and he himself on the white house lawn told reporters that what he wanted was an investigation to joe biden. he said himself that that was what he cared about and not
corruption overall. giuliani is there continuing to pursue the exact same two things that some republicans are trying to say it was an issue and hunter biden and the 2016 election right now, there's no way for them to try to look the other way when something like this is literally punching you in the face, is there? >> this goes to one of the deepest fears many know what's going on with the president and this administration. they don't seem to learn anything from the mistakes that are made. in fact, they doubled down. it was odd that the day after mueller issued his report that feeling exonerated from the president the next day calls the president of ukraine to do -- to shake him down, and what we have here is we've all heard now just as you point out forever, it seems, about burisma and you know, the bidens and you know, going after hillary and the
server and we thought everybody wouldn't touch this again, certainly not -- >> this boldly. >> but here on the impeachment proceeding they go with -- who is giuliani meeting with in kyiv, he's meeting with the man whose father was kgb and head of intelligence of ukraine. the man himself went to a kgb school and graduated from a kgb school in moscow and this man belonged to a pro-russian party in the parliament of the ukraine and this is the guy he's doing business with now and they want to convince us this is all on the up and up? >> it's incredible. greg, in a word, is there any way that he's doing this on behalf of his client if his client does not know about it? >> well, he could -- he could be doing it on behalf of his client because he believes that it's good for his client even though his client isn't actually directing it. i think that's probably -- that's the out trump will have. >> a big part of what giuliani has done throughout this
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slamming nancy pelosi. trump tweeting, quote, nancy pelosi just had a nervous fit. she said she, quote, prays for the president. i don't believe her. not even close it comes after pelosi said this after the president this morning that she prays for the president all of the time. joe lockhart served as white house press secretary for president clinton and jim shore was the associate white house counsel for president trump. you know nancy pelosi. she says she prays for the president. he says i don't believe her, not even close. >> i've known nancy now for over 40 years when i got into politics working with her at the dnc and there were a couple hard and fast rules in politics and one is you don't question someone else's faith. it's just wrong, and i know her to be a devout catholic. i know her family has a connection to georgetown jesuits like i do, and it's just -- >> you believe she prays for him -- >> i absolutely do and it's in the context of praying for the country, praying for her family and praying for her constituents and i have no doubt and it's
just wrong to question anyone else's faith. >> it's an odd conversation to be having, obviously, but it came up. she did today. she came back to the podium, jim, people weren't expecting p her to do that. >> she also said don't mess with me. some of it is pure theater and you will see that on both sides. she may firmly believe that she is praying for the president and she's also going to be his j jugular and no doubt about that other. >> the the motive for that is different from the one you would put on it, but yes. jim, i want to ask you the white house is working on the strategy and they have been told by mitch mcconnell he doesn't have the votes to dismiss this because there are democrats want a trial for whatever reason. take us, how hard will they fight for hunter biden to testify in the senate? >> they've been preparing this all along and this thing was
contrived from the beginning and they had a lot of lawyers from day one planning a strategy. >> each though they said they didn't? >> one, you don't prepare for trial in two days. any good trial will not prepare for trial in two days. i can tell you that the great lawyer has been preparing and preparing for this with very smart lawyers in the white house conference. will they call hunter biden? who knows? a lot of it comes down to, you know, within the confines of what the republican senate wants to do, as well and there's certainly going to be some of that going on, they're overseeing it and it's a political process and i'm sure the american people, if they want to hear the american people hear from adam schiff is someone they're considering calling. >> so should adam schiff just testify if in exchange the democrats get, i don't know, john bolton, mick mulvaney? >> i will say first, one of the things having gone through the impeachment is you have to have a legal strategy, but it's more
important to have a political and communications strategy and they don't have one. today we heard two strategies. all of the republicans on the hill said slow down. the president said speed this thing up. they're at odds. >> they said it's going too fast and that was the out and they took it. >> and your former boss comes out and contradicts the whole thing. >> politically, he wants to get this thing over with and start governing again and have the administration start focusing on the things they need to focus and get this thing over with. yes, i can see the president coming out and sure, he's his own communications director at times, right? and he manages his own communications and he'll speak to the american people about what he wants and certainly on the hill are looking for their way through this as well saying look, how can i vote for this? there are all these things that could have gone up to the courts and democrats chose not to because they wanted to ram it through. >> except for if you have nothing to hide, one would argue -- >> protecting the executive
branch for the future -- >> if you're a lawyer in the white house you're not rolling over on the executive privilege issues. >> let me jump in there, because the white house has yet to assert executive privilege. what the white house asserted which no white house asserted was absolute immunity. all white houses in the past have negotiated with congress and they say this is privileged and nixon did it, clinton did it, i don't know what andrew johnson did, i was a young child. >> on fast and furious, obama said pounds sand and they went to the courts and it got worked out after they went to the courts. >> i'm talking about impeachment. >> it's still subpoenaing the testimony of witnesses from the executive branch whether it's an impeachment. >> and testimonies of executive branch employees and officials have been subpoenaed throughout our country's history. >> sure they have. >> and this is the first white house that has said blanketly we
won't negotiate with you with this, you are not getting anyone. you are not getting documents. you're not getting phone records and you're not going to get any witness testimony and on top of that they argue that we didn't do anything wrong and the democrats won't bring out the exculpatory evidence. the exculpatory evidence would come from the people the president is blocking. >> even gordon sondland said let me have my phone records, state department. >> there are certain fundamental issues that are germane to the executive branch will have future implications and it's as a lawyer you have to think of the future of the executive branch because that's who these lawyers represent in the end. >> if donald trump gets his way the congressional branch will have no power at all. >> thank you both. good to see you both back together. >> next, joe biden taking no prisoners when a voter confronted him. >> you want to check my shape, let's do push-ups.
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nothing works faster for powerful cold relief. oh, what a relief it is! so fast! you are a damn liar. that is joe biden. that's what he said having a heated exchange with a voter in iowa over his son hunter's work in ukraine while joe biden was vice president. >> you're selling access to the president just like he was. >> you're a damn liar, man. that's not true. no one has ever said that. >> you said i set up my son to work in an oil company. isn't that what you said? get your words straight, jack. >> okay. obviously very contentious, but this is what's interesting. that voter later said that if biden was the nominee he would still vote for him, and this comes amid signs biden and other moderates are showing renewed strength in the democratic race
for 2020. jeff zeleny is out front. >> i identify as a democratic socialist, progressive policies speak to me. that's what i prefer. >> maggie willems is a proud liberal and she's in a moderate mood. >> i understand i'm not representative of the whole electorate and we need to be sure to select a candidate that can defeat donald trump. >> here in mount vernon, willems and other democrats are thinking hard about electability as they search for the best candidate to defeat donald trump. for most of the race, it's been from left-leaning proposals from the new deal to medicare for all to free college. >> when we give up on the big ideas college. >> but moderates are fighting back, like in this ad from pete buttigieg, where he takes a thinly veiled swipe as bernie sanders and elizabeth warren's plans. >> there are some voices saying that doesn't count unless you go
even further, unless it's free even for the kids of millionaires. but i only want to make promises we can keep. >> reporter: worried about trump win reelection, a pragmatic wake-up is under way. a teacher who thought she might once support warren. >> politically i agree with everything warren has to say. >> reporter: when we first met willems on laibd, she was weighing two options. >> biden would be my pragmatic choice and warren would be a leap of faith in my heart. >> reporter: but now she has ruled out both. skeptical of biden's appeal to younger voters, she is leaning towards buttigieg. >> he has the ability to maybe talk across the aisle that mow overtly progressive candidates might not. >> let me tell you, if you can't bring the country together, we're in real, real, real trouble. >> reporter: while sanders and warren are still electrifying the base, joe biden and amy
klobuchar are steering the conversation to the middle, saying it's critical to appeal to a broader swath of voters. >> you want to put someone on top of our ticket that brings people with them and doesn't shut them out. >> not a joke. >> reporter: the message is resonating with katie, an independent voter who plans to take part in the iowa caucuses for the first time because of her disdain for trump. what kind of democrat are you looking for? >> i'm looking for someone that is moderate, that is a strong leader and has integrity. >> thank you. it's good to be back. >> reporter: she and her mother came to see biden when his bus tour passed through iowa falls. they hope the check out buttigieg soon. back in mt. vernon, willem's social studies classroom is decorated with posters from campaigns gone by. she said finding a candidate to motive democrats and win over trump voters is her chief concern. how often do you think about electability? >> often, and try and think of that middle third and how they might be persuaded to vote for the democratic ticket.
>> reporter: now the 2020 race is still remarkably unsettled here, erin, with less than two months before the iowa caucuses. every democratic voter we talked to said of course they're looking for the strongest candidate to take on the president. of course, who is that? a moderate or a progressive? one thing also became clear talking to so many voters here this week. they say the fact that donald trump is an incumbent changes their calculation. back when obama was running for example in '08, that was an open seat. people were more willing to take a leap of faith. so experience also came up in every interview we had, erin. there is less than two months to go. erin? >> all right, thank you very much, jeff. and next, jeanne on the words that shook the political world today. >> so don't mess with me when it comes to words like that. mini is a different kind of car. ♪ ladies and gentlemen for a different kind of drive. ♪ ladies and gentlemen for the drive to create a new kind of family car,
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>> reporter: it was a seven-word question that stopped speaker nancy pelosi in her tracks. >> do you hate the president, madam speaker? >> i don't hate anybody. >> reporter: speaker pelosi did so much angry pointing that it made her previous fame point directed at president trump seem like a minor wag. she then marched back to the microphone -- >> and as a catholic, i resent your using the word "hate" in a sentence that addresses me. i don't hate anyone. >> reporter: buckle your seat belt, reporter james rosen from the pro-trump sinclair broadcast group. >> so don't mess with me when it comes to words like that. >> reporter: she then turned and stalked out. >> woo! u. >> but wow. >> reporter: it was a tirade that launched a thousan thousand, #don'tmesswithmes, oh, snap. don't mess with mama. but not all catholics took the high road or even the high and
mighty road. speaker pelosi is a better catholic than i am. i hate trump with every bead of my rosary. fans said of pelosi she is magnificent. critics said this woman is a loon. president trump tweeted "nancy pelosi just had a nervous fit." >> yeah, i think that's going to be a historic pelosi quote for decades. >> reporter: her latest quote resurrected quotes about her. >> and if you think a woman can't beat donald trump, nancy pelosi does it every single day. >> reporter: it brought forth the speaker's most famous gifts, donning her power sunglasses, wielding her giant gavel, clapping back at president trump, earning her is "snl" nickname nancy madam clap back pelosi. >> reporter: conservative laura ingraham tweeted imagine in a male gop house speaker told a female reporter don't mess with me. responded someone like, i don't know, trump? >> what a stupid question that is. but i watch you a lot. you ask a lot of stupid
questions. >> reporter: and speaking of hate, wouldn't you hate to be him? >> so don't mess with me when it comes to words like that. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. it's all but certain donald j. trump will be impeached. whatever you think of him or the allegations of conduct against him, nancy pelosi likely sealed this day in history. >> sadly, but with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our founders and a heart full of love for america, today i am asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment. >> and with, that president trump is now facing what only three other presidents have, house lawmakers drawing up formal indictments against him. andrew johnson, bill clinton were all
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