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>> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day" wednesday, december 11th. 8:00 in the east and the house judiciary committee will begin debating the articles of impeachment against president trump in primetime tonight. now this could go late into the evening because all 41 members of the committee will each have five minutes to make opening statements. and tomorrow morning, they will start considering amendments ahead of a vote to send the articles to the full house. a very big day starting. >> the president responding to the likelihood he'll become just the third u.s. president in history to be impeached. he's lying. a lot. at a rally overnight, the president lied about the severity of the impeachment charges he faces and the contents of the justice department inspector general report. of note this morning for the first time we'll hear from the inspector general himself. he testifies before the senate judiciary committee. joining us now, cnn political
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analyst maggie haberman, white house correspondent for "the new york times" and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. tonight the house judiciary committee takes up these two articles of impeachment. abuse of power and obstruction of congress. maggie, jeffrey toobin keeps talking about what an historic moment this is. that impeachment has only happened this far in the process three other times in our history. he'll become just the third president ever to be impeached. it's a big deal. what's going on this morning inside the white house regarding this? >> the white house is trying to treat this like a small deal. we saw some of this happen yesterday when the president spoke at his rally. we've heard it from his advisers on television. they are trying to say they thought there would be more articles of impeachment and there was a debate whether there would be additional ones because it would let moderate democrats say they voted against something. that's not what ended up happening. there was a lengthy debate and the white house is trying to use this to say, this is really nothing. this is minor. do not be fooled by the fact the president is minimizing this in
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terms of how he himself sees this. there's lots of talk from his advisers about how he thinks this is politically good for him, and he might see the political advantages in certain moments but he is not happy about joining this elite club of what will be a small handful of presidents who have been impeached in the nation's history. >> i've never heard president trump minimize anything. i think that that is -- >> he did last night. >> no, i totally agree. i think my point is that it is newsworthy. it's such a departure for someone who prides himself on everything being historically the biggest to -- as you know, he's belittling it as impeachment light. jeffrey, do you think that -- >> i don't even know what that means. i mean, you know, he's making the argument no one says it's a crime. but even his own witness, you know, pointed out during the -- when the law professors testified, everyone agrees that impeachable offenses do not have
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to be crimes. abuse of power in many respects is more serious than many criminal offenses. >> let's play the sound that maggie is talking about from last night. it's important to hear what the president is trying to minimize. listen. >> you saw their so-called articles of impeachment today. people are saying, they're not even a crime. what happened? all of these horrible things. remember, bribery and this and that. where are they? they said these two things. they're not even a crime. this is the lightest, weakest impeachment. >> in fact, professor toobin, the testimony of the other law professors we heard from last week was that in many ways, these impeachment charges are among the most serious we have ever seen. they get to the very fundamental nature of what the framers of the constitution were trying to guard against. >> and that's right, berman.
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the thing that's so important about, you know, the whole impeachment process is that it's designed to police, to stop actions that only the president can take. you know, you and i can lie under oath, but you and i cannot corrupt american foreign policy. you and i cannot withhold $390 million in aid. that's something only the president can do. and if he does it with bad motives or with -- in a way that is corrupt, that's worse than certain minor criminal offenses. that's the argument that goes back to the founding of the country. >> so maggie, you're saying that we shouldn't be fooled that he doesn't want this stain on his record. he doesn't want to be known as only the third president in history to be impeached? >> he definitely doesn't. i'm sorry for misunderstanding what you were saying. it's extremely rare for him to
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treat something as small as opposed to large. he does not want this. this is not -- i think he had a line with congress members that this is not a good look on the resume, something to that effect. this is not a club he wants to be a part of. he is very wary of things. as we know, he sees as delegitimizing his presidency. going back to why he didn't like the russia probe in the first place. going back to why he wanted jeff sessions to say he did nothing wrong. if the intel community said there was russian interference, then that meant he didn't achieve it on his own is what he would say to aides. so you were seeing some extension of that now. if he's impeached, it's an effort to delegitimize him. he's genuinely upset about it. his advisers are trying to suggest this is a small deal, nothing to pay attention, to but we don't know what the trial in the senate is going to look like. we don't know how big a deal this is going to play out. >> jeffrey, what are you looking for tonight, tomorrow and over the next few days? politico this morning called it
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the eight fateful days in washington where we're going to see a president in all likelihood impeached. what should we be looking for? >> we've heard these arguments a lot, those of us who have been paying attention. but i want to hear -- people go to a somewhat higher level than they've been before. barbara jordan, the famous congresswoman from texas, who, you know, we're still playing her speech at the impeachment congressional -- the judiciary committee in 1974. who can rise to that level of eloquence to talk about whether -- why this matters. that to me -- and on both sides. i'd like to see that rather than a lot of the pettiness we've seen before. >> maggie, there's so much happening in washington where you are today. i mean, not just all of this. these historic moments with
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impeachment but the inspector general is going to be testifying to congress after this long-awaited report finally came out and said unequivocally that the -- you know, trump campaign was not spied on. but that's not how attorney general bill barr continues to frame it. and it is so interesting to understand that the attorney general, our top law enforcement officer, doesn't, i guess, believe in using the tools of surveillance and informants? this is the bread and butter of the fbi. this is how they crack their investigations and crime. and to hear him continue to frame it this way, the way the president has. >> it's interesting, alisyn. look. the ig's report does not neatly confirm anyone's description of what took place in that investigation. it does not confirm what the president said about the idea there was some deep state trying to go after him. it doesn't confirm the insistence this was a totally
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clean process. there were a number of mistakes made. the question is whether you think those mistakes were made intentionally or sloppiness or because the fbi has gotten kftable because the fisa process under which wis warrathis fisa was obtained. it's a different issue than what you've heard the attorney general say which is really coming out as if he is the president's lawyer, not as if he is the top law enforcement official in the country and he's described this not only as a bogus investigation, which is certainly what the president's lawyer said over time, but he's gone after the press for how it was covered. and that was really striking as well just in terms of getting outside of his lanes. >> can i add one point about that? speaking of getting your facts straight, i didn't have my facts straight earlier today when i said there had been no use of consensual monitoring, wiring people up in the course of the fbi investigation. there was a limited amount of that.
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and i got to be right as well. >> the issue is whether it's spying or investigating christopher wray. >> i said something wrong and wrong is wrong. >> the fbi director does not call it spying. to maggie's point, what william barr is doing, to hear him talk about what is a more dire threat to the united states, and he suggested that the obama administration's investigation, which wasn't -- it was the fbi investigation into the president of the united states -- was a bigger threat than the russian attack on the 2016 election, which is what he seemed to be saying there, jeffrey. that was striking. >> i mean, the way the attorney general has approached this subject is just nothing short of astonishing. it's as if, you know, the indictments -- you know, there are pending indictments against the internet research agency, this group in st. petersburg that's run by one of putin's closest friends that ran a
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social media campaign on behalf of donald trump. the hacking from russian intelligence, the gru that, you know, that stole the democratic national committee emails to embarrass hillary clinton. i mean, this happened. these are pending indictments from the department of justice and the idea that the attorney general is reading that out of history and pretending he can't tell if ukraine did something comparable, it's just -- i mean, that is counterfactual. >> yeah, there's a lot of striking things that have been said in the past few days. and might again tonight. jeffrey toobin, maggie haberman, thank you both very much for the reporting and analysis. democrats begin debating the proposed articles of impeachment against president trump in just hours. we'll ask a house democrat what she plans to say and how this is going to go, next. wide. while some 5g signals go only blocks, t-mobile 5g goes miles...
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will begin opening statements as they begin debate on the two articles of impeachment against president trump. joining us now, democratic congressman madeleine dean. she's a member of that committee. good morning, congresswoman. thanks for being here. i know it's a very busy day. and already pundits are predicting this primetime process that will play out tonight is going to be a circus given that every member of the judiciary will be able to say their piece. how do you predict it going? >> i certainly hope not. i'm still working on my remarks, but i hope to speak from my heart and my oath about our constitutional generational duty. we have a duty to point out, call out the wrongdoing, uncategorical wrongdoing of this president. and so i hope members will take their remarks very, very seriously because what we say in
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large measure will define who we are as congresspeople and as american citizens. >> is that the gist of your message that you have a duty to do this? >> i do think part of my message is that generational duty. i'm very mindful. i have new grandchildren. i have three grandchildren now, two just in the last two months. i'm very mindful we're here for just a short period of time but must be caretakers and stewards of this place and of our oath and of our constitution. and in the face of the extraordinary wrongdoing of this president, seeking for personal and political gain, interference in our elections, risking our national security, nothing could be more brave. and so i see these articles as very well written and i have an obligation to uphold my oath and hold this president accountable. >> of course, there are also practical concerns and we heard the president in your home state of pennsylvania last night at a rally. and he talked about what i think is probably a concern for many
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democrats. we have the reporting that it is a concern for people in swing states. listen to what he warned last night. >> any democrat that votes for this sham will be voting to sacrifice their house majority, their dignity and their career. >> so, what are democrats privately telling you about their fears about voting for this? >> i heard very little talk of the political. honestly. there is a certain gravity of this moment and so what i have been just buoyed up by is every one of my colleagues talking about our obligation here. we're not talking about the next election for ourselves. we're talking about our country. we're talking about making sure we protect the next election. that there isn't foreign interference. that the president or a foreign leader doesn't get to put his or her hand on the scales.
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i'm not hearing political chatter, to be very honest. i was thinking about that last night. it's amazing how we're all stirred by the power of this constitution, and we must uphold it. it's a very precious thing and it's in our hands right now. >> given that, how many democrats do you think will ultimately not vote for these two articles of impeachment? >> i haven't done that count. i hope everyone is able to vote for these two articles of impeachment. they're very well crafted and they couldn't be more serious. abuse of power. using his office for personal political gain and a categorical -- it is not up to the president to determine whether our impeachment investigation fits his needs. we're a co-equal branch. we have the sole power of this last resort remedy that the framers made sure was part of our constitution. it is not up to the administration. it is not up to the president's personal or political lawyers.
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>> i don't suppose in these divided times you ever privately speak to republicans about their feelings, do you? >> oh, i do, sure. i want to have those conversations. i want to try to build relationships and bridges. i've had the graduate opportunity to co-sponsor legislation signed by the president so i do talk to my republican colleagues in in order to build consensus. and what i say is what i feel personally that it's up to them what they do. but what i feel personally is i have an obligation. i swore on january 3rd on a bible that was my family bible that i would uphold the constitution of the united states. i just impress that upon my republican colleagues. i hope and pray that they feel that same gravity, that we have to protect our constitution. as professor gerhardt said, if these offenses are not impeachable, i don't know what is. >> let's talk about legislation and usmca. do you -- tell us what you know about the timing of this.
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lots of people were struck by the fact that within one hour, nancy pelosi announced these two articles of impeachment and then announced this bipartisan legislation which many said gave president trump a legislative win. >> what i hope it is is a win for the american public. and what it demonstrates is the dexterity of this congress and the extraordinary leadership of nancy pelosi to be able to tackle this very grave issue of impeachment of a president at the same time putting together a sound trade deal. we've been talking about this and being briefed on it for months and months. i'm very proud of the committee chairs, as well as the negotiators on this. this is a win for the american people, for our trade in the americas, north america. so i'm very, very proud of us. it shows that we're doing exactly what we were sent here to do. we are -- we have to do it all. we have to investigate, legislate, litigate. we're doing this for the american public.
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so for those who worry that, oh, we're all hyperfocused on impeachment, we have to do both. we have to make sure that we push forward legislation and trade agreements that work for the american people. we've passed more than 400 bills here. most of them sitting dead on the senate's side. we're going to keep working for the american people. >> in terms of the timing, what are you hearing? is the plan to next week have a full vote on impeachment and vote after that on usmca? >> i haven't heard the details of the calendar. that's still in discussions. but i think that would be totally appropriate. it shows that we're upholding our constitutional obligations and that we're also working for the american people. again, this isn't something that snapped together. usmca is not something that snapped together in the night. and it shows really the confidence of our caucus and the negotiating power of our caucus and there's no harm working with the president for the good of
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the american people. >> all right congresswoman madeleine dean, thanks for joining us on this very busy and historic day. >> thanks for having me. >> john? >> senator elizabeth warren and mayor pete buttigieg feuding on the campaign trail. big developments in the 2020 race. two new national polls, next. than anything... and i wanted to ask you... before i ask her. may i have your permission... to marry her? you're not just marrying her. you're marrying her whole world. get zero-down special financing with the kay jewelers long live love credit card. ♪ with the kay jewelers long live love credit card. here's the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let's go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win's family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee.
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some big movement or nonmovement as the case may be in two new national polls. >> make a decision. movement or not movement? >> it's both really interesting. that's the thing. we're talking about the race for
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president which is coming up very soon. iowa is like 5 1/2 weeks away. what do the numbers tell us? harry enten here with the forecast. sir? >> i was just waiting for my intro so i could shake my head and acknowledge the audience. how are you? how are you? we had two new national polls here. top choices for democratic nominee. it's a story we often see. joe biden, 26%. bernie sanders 21%. warren in third, 17%. quinnipiac, sort of similar story here again. the srd the same. biden 29, sanders 17, warren 15, buttigieg down at 9. >> that's such an interesting -- those are interesting numbers because the narrative is that buttigieg is on the rise and -- but if you look at the numbers, it's just not telling that story. >> exactly right. this is harry's average of debate qualifying polls, december, october, november. we see biden fairly steady. 28 october, 25 november, 28 december. sanders may be up a few points in september but that's
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statistical noise. warren is dropping, 22 october, 17 november, 16 december. and buttigieg who is supposedly rising, not really. 7% in october, 12% in november back down to 9% in december. he's basically hovering right around 9%, 10%. >> people thought there may be a rise there. that hasn't happened, not nationally. elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg, there's a thing now. they're going after each other. >> they're going after each other hard. i don't know if you've been following that news. but i do wonder whether that's the wisest decision. why is that? take a look. this is the second choices for the democratic nominee. among buttigieg supporters, who is their number one second choice? it's biden at 30%. warren is the second choice at 25% of them but that leaves a vast number whose second choice for buttigieg supporters is not warren. going after warren for buttigieg could lead to biden rising. and among warren supporters, who is their second choice? number one actually sanders at
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31%. buttigieg is the second choice of warren supporters. so going after someone in a multicandidate field could lead to someone else -- >> it's always dangerous. you can hurt the wrong person. >> exactly right. it could help biden or sanders and those are the ones leading in the national polls. >> show us how voters are feeling depending on how old they are. >> we break it down by 18 to 34. 35 to 49. 50 to 64. 65-plus. i am part of that group. i also want to say that. bernie sanders, look at him, 18 to 34, 52%. my goodness gracious. then you drop to 35% to 49% down to 13%. all the way to 65-plus, only 2%. biden, the other direction. 11, 20, 35, 47. huge age gap. huge! >> 2% among 65 plus. that's stunning. >> that is absolutely stunning. >> for sanders. >> if you know young people, they love bernie sanders.
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you know a little on the older side, they do not like him so much. >> how is bloomberg doing? >> top choice for nominee in the quinnipiac poll, 3% in november. 5% december. he gained two points after declaring having spent about $60 million on television you'dads. >> 30 million per percentage point. >> 30 million per percentage point. he'd have to spend millions upon millions upon millions but at this point he's not really moving anywhere. >> who is in the december 20th debate? >> andrew yang got 4% in the quinnipiac poll. he qualifies for the debate. these are the folks we're looking at here. biden, buttigieg, klobuchar, sanders, steyer, warren and yang. those are the people that will be on the stage. >> one of the people who doesn't look like he'll be on the stage. there just aren't enough polls at this point. cory booker. >> he's making this plea. we need a more diverse stage. monmouth 2, quinnipiac 1.
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only 1% in the quinnipiac poll, biden leads that with 51%. >> what's your kicker? >> my kicker is, remember last week where there was that poll that said who was the better president, lincoln or trump and republicans said trump and all the liberals like, oh, we got him now. whoo. well, take a look at this. who is the better president among democrats. barack obama or george washington. obama beat washington, 63% to 29%. among republicans, washington slightly ahead of trump, 44% to 37%. these questions don't tell us anything. stop trying to make fools of the other side. >> it's all about the electoral college anyway. >> that's probably true. george washington swept the electoral college. only president to ever do so. >> good thing nobody highlights these polls and talks about them. you're right. they're so silly. harry, thank you. >> thank you. will swing district democrats support these two articles of impeachment against
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president trump? well, we're going to talk to a democrat from a district that donald trump won in 2016. that's next. [ "turn around, look at me" -the vogues ] ♪ there is someone ♪ walking behind you
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sources tell cnn that democrats settled on two articles of impeachment among other reasons because it gave them the best chance to avoid large-scale defection among members of the democratic caucus. the belief was an article based on the mueller report, which would be obstruction of justice might be difficult for some democrats to vote for. joining me now is democratic congressman shawn patrick maloney. and he comes from a district that donald trump won in the twoe 2016 election. congressman, what are the challenges facing democratic members in trump districts as you face this impeachment vote? >> well, look, it's no secret that in districts like mine there are people who are skeptical of this constitutional process. and i understand that. i understand there were people who hoped for better from this president. it doesn't take away my
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responsibility to live into my oath. it doesn't take away my responsibility to the constituti constitution. it doesn't mean i don't know right from wrong that he pressured a foreign leader for help in a political election to try to smear his rival. that's abuse of power. if we've shown some discipline in crafting the strongest articles with the clear and compelling and overwhelming evidence supporting them, then i think that strengthens the case and makes it easier, the project of communicating its necessity to voters and constituents who might be skeptical. >> there have been meetings among a small number of house democrats, so-called moderates, about the possibility of offering censure as an alternative to impeachment. you haven't been part of those meetings, have you? >> absolutely not. i think it's a terrible mistake to negotiate against ourselves. has the president acknowledged wrongdoing? has he offered apology? are the republicans willing to
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admit that what he did was wrong? why in god's name is any democrat, you know, trying to lower the bar when the president himself says, to this day, the call was perfect. when rudy giuliani this week was in ukraine furthering the scheme to fix the next election. when not a single republican in the house is willing to step up and say, you know, what the president did constitutes an impeachable offense. i think this is a moment we need to get clear about right and wrong and just listen to what your mama always told you was just do the right thing. >> in fact, our reporting is the white house hates the idea of a censure because just of what you said. they'll not admit, the president will not admit that he did anything wrong. i want to ask you about something the president said last night. the articles of impeach, abuse of power and obstruction of congress, are very serious charges. among the most serious you can have. exactly what the framers
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intended when they created impeachment and put impeachment in the constitution. abuse of power. foreign interference in elections. if president trump called them the lightest, weakest impeachment you could have. how do you respond to his comments? >> well, i think we should all probably -- we should probably all know enough at this point to not put on an equal footing words that come out of the president's mouth and things like facts. and evidence and historic precedent and my coaching to my friends in the media is to stop playing that game. the fact is the president and now his attorney general say things that are simply unsupported by facts in the real world. and when they get treated as equivalent to those facts you do a real disservice to the people trying to know what's going on. here's the bottom line. there's a mountain of evidence about what the president did. he sought the help of a foreign leader to fix the next election, pressured him using official
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acts, taxpayer dollars. that's solicitting a bribe. it's abuse of office. and because the president said unsupported things, because he spouts a lot of rhetoric, does not mean there's some false equivalence between those things. >> i am going to ask you about something the attorney general of the united states said and not because i believe there is any equivalence to it but because i believe he's the attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer in the united states. and you sit on the intelligence committee. and what he said has something directly to do with your oversight. russia attacked the 2016 election, which is a very serious thing. very serious. there have been indictmented out. the intelligence committee agrees on that. yet the attorney general of the united states yesterday seemed to diminish the importance of that and suggested that somehow the fbi investigation into that attack was a bigger threat. i want to play that sound for you and have you react. listen to this.
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>> they not only didn't tell the court that what they had been lying on was completely rubbish. they actually started putting in things to bolster this steele report. >> that's not what i want. the sound we have is s-200. can you play that, please? all right. we don't have that sound. we played it earlier in the show where william barr, the attorney general of the united states, was suggesting that the investigation itself into the russian attack on 2016 was somehow worse than the actual russian attack. you are on the intelligence committee. you have seen the classified information. to what detriment is a statement like that? >> well, i'm familiar with the attorney general's remarks. we had the fbi director appointed by president trump on the job today saying just the opposite yesterday. you had the senate republican intelligence committee saying exactly the opposite.
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you have, of course, all the intelligence agencies and all of our professional national security professionals saying the opposite. and you have bill barr spouting a bunch of words. so you tell me how much time i should spend talking about whether that's a serious statement or not when the facts and the evidence are overwhelmingly on the other side. and i do think it's the responsibility of our friends in the media to say not, gee, one side says this, the other side says that. sides disagree. the headline is one side is talking nonsense and the other side has a mountain of evidence. >> congressman maloney, thank you for being with us this morning. we appreciate your time as always. >> you bet. >> alisyn? >> we do have some breaking developments right now, john, on the kosher market attack that left four innocent people dead. police have learned more and we're going to bring that to you next. n c'mon... here we go... ♪
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we have some breaking news right now.
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authorities just announcing the deadly shooting at the kosher mark net jersey city, new jersey, was a targeted attack. police say the shooters shot and killed a police officer and three other innocent people. cnn's alexandra field is live with the breaking details. what did they just announce? >> we are now hearing from city officials who say they reviewed cctv video from the streets of jersey city. they are able to see the suspects making their way toward this kosher market. they say they see the car going slowly through the streets and stopping in front of the market. then they see the two suspects coming out with long rifles and firing into that storefront where there were, of course, civilians inside. this is what the city's safety director is saying about what happened next. >> this did not begin with gunfire between police officers and the perpetrators and then move to the store. it began with an attack on the civilians in the store and then
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our officers who were posted a block away immediately responded to the sound of the gunfire, heroically. >> two officers were wounded. other officers, of course, swarmed the location. the standoff lasting for hours with shots being heard for hours in this community. in the end, police found five bodies inside. three civilians, two suspects. they haven't publicly identified any of them. and also, at this point, alisyn and john, they are not yet making clear what the link is to a previous shooting. the shooting that happened just before the standoff at the kosher market in which a jersey city detective, a 15-year veteran of the force was killed near a nearby cemetery. that started with the suspects, they say. the suspects then continued to this kosher market. all the links not yet being put together but they're saying very clearly that this market was targeted. they are not, however, saying that the motive was anti-semitic attack. they have not made that connection. they're not raising that
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connection yet but the mayor of jersey city did tweet saying there is no place for anti-semitism in jersey city. a lot of police work still to happen. >> it does beg to question, why it would have been targeted. really interesting developments. alexandra, please keep us updated as you learn more. the supreme court put a series of federal executions that were supposed to start this week on hold. that's a bit of comfort for a mother and daughter looking to save the life of a white supremacist who murdered three of their family members. why are they trying to save him from the death penalty? cnn's sara sidner live in los angeles with the answer. sara? >> they've been fighting for years. the family of the victims of daniel lewis lee say they have no doubt that he is guilty of murder, but they are extremely concerned because they don't think that his sentence was just compared to the other man that was on trial with him. and they say they -- even though they have suffered immeasurable
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pain, they simply cannot stomach the idea of the government executing him. daniel lewis lee could become the first federal prisoner executed in 16 years. how many people in your family did daniel lee kill? >> brother-in-law, my sister and my niece. >> how much of a toll has this taken on you? >> a lot. a lot. the whole back side of my heart is gone. >> reporter: still, they are pleading with president trump to keep their family members' murderer alive. >> did you vote for president trump? >> yes, i did. >> will you vote for him again? >> yes, i will. >> what would you like to say to him because you disagree on this point. >> for one time in your life, know that this is wrong. >> reporter: the attorney general suddenly announced lee's date with death along with four other federal prisoners in july.
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the move spurred on by president trump's desire to resume and speed up the federal execution process. the ag said it would finally bring justice to victims of the most horrific crimes. >> do you think letting the government execute him will be final justice for you? >> no. not at all. i don't think killing is going to cure killing. >> reporter: lee and chevy were convicted in a white supremacist plot to steal guns and money to help fund an eths no state in the pacific northwest. to further their cause they went to this home, then they robbed and murders william, his wife nancy and her 8-year-old daughter sarah. their bodies were found weighted down and tossed into this bayou. they'd been shot with a stun gun, bound and suffocated with plastic bags secured over their heads with tape. in the end, the jury recommended life without parole for kehoe but death for lee for the same
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crime. >> you have no doubt that he's guilty. >> right. >> why are you fighting so hard to keep him alive? >> in this case, it just doesn't feel that justice was served. when chevy kehoe was the man that planned it. >> reporter: jury bias played a role. lee with his missing eye and swastika on his neck looked the part. kehoe did not. the prosecutor and trial judge called kehoe the ringleader and agreed the sentence was arbitrary. getting life while lee received death. >> in whose interest is it to execute this man when you have the victims, the lead prosecutor in the case, the judge who tried the case and oversaw the following proceedings, why? they're all saying this should not go forward. >> reporter: but lee has lost his laefrktest appeal on the me of his case. the thing now keeping him from lethal injection is the latest supreme court ruling to
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temporarily halt all federal executions. >> could i inject him to die? god, no. then how can i put it on somebody else to do in my name? >> reporter: a family lee made to suffer for the rest of their lives will continue their fight to let him live out the rest of his in prison. and now, john, they feel a sense of relief because the supreme court has sent the case back down to the lower courts to let this play out there. and we should remind people that the execution hiatus is due in part to the drug cocktail being used for lethal injection for these federal prisoners. that was deemed inhumane by many of the defense attorneys and so the trump administration has decided, look, we have now a single drug but that protocol still needs to be decided by the lower courts. >> what a fascinating story and great interview with those victims who express very clearly why they don't want this to happen. thank you so much. we have a very extra special
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