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upfront. so let's test trump's truth abuse directly. and let fauci have the power to test solutions to this pandemic. he needs to be on the podium. thank you for watching. cnn tonight with d. lemon starts right now. >> you know, you guys had the -- on last week, was a town hall. and then on friday, you worked because i worked on sunday, right? so thank you for doing that. here's the thing. as i'm watching, i kept saying why -- why are we even listening to the president? why -- but he's the president. i understand that. >> yep. >> why aren't we just listening to the experts? i kept watching your brother. and my mom kept calling me and saying, wait, is chris's brother the president now? he should be because he's doing what the president should be doing. and then she'll call me during the president, say, why are we even listening to him? nothing he's saying is factual. why is he talking about the money he gave away? why is he yelling at a reporter?
what is going on? he's not acting presidential. and all i can say to her is, mom, he's never going to. and i'm not saying that to -- because it is not my business or not my intention to say bad things about the president. i just don't think it's in him, chris, and i'm not sure we should look to him for that. even though that's what tell we to look to presidents for. so i think we should look to the experts. yes, we should hold him accountable but i think he should just play traffic cop. saying this is what we've done today. this is what we're planning on doing. now, for the late ent, let me turn it over to the vice president for this. and now let me turn it over to this doctor for this. every time he opens his mouth, the dow goes down. every time he tries to answer a question, he takes it personally instead of trying to help the american people. it's just -- it's not helping at all. he should take cues from your brother. i'm just saying. >> look. i mean, probably one of the most
dangerous things to say for andrew's political wellbeing right now is that the president should take cues from him. he takes cues from nobody. and the president should do what he thinks is right, and he will be judged for it. my point is making tony fauci a foil to trump and pushing fauci but he's not telling the truth about china. the numbers don't match up. dr. fauci. you're putting fauci in a horrible suppositi horrible position that we don't want him in because we know the answer to the question. you know the president isn't telling the truth, understand the numbers, doesn't get it, is overwhelmed. don't put fauci in a position to have to be a check otherwise we may lose him. and that would be a disaster. ask my brother. ask anybody in the cabinet. you heard the former acting dhs head say fauci is pivotal. everybody says that. i'm not saying it's an unfair question. i'm saying it's an unfair question in the context right
now. we need fauci. the president's not going to change, don. he does what he thinks works for him and that's the test that will be scored at the election hopefully we have it. >> i think we're saying the same thing. i'm just -- we need comfort. we need accurate information. we need someone to help us get through this and i'm not sure that is happening. at least on the president's part. i got -- i got to go, though. >> andrew is getting some attention because he's being clear. he's being consistent. and new york matters, right? everybody's worried that new york could be their future. >> he is getting accurate information and he's being proactive, that's all. and he's not taking anything personally and he's not berating reporters. he's saying here's what we're doing, this is the issues we have, this is what we need. this is what we need from the government. this is what i need from you. and that's it. let's move on. and the next day, i'll have more information for you. >> i agree with one exception. some of the things that, you know, andrew's a tough guy. he knows the ups and downs of politics as well as anybody.
it really moves me when people say that my father would be proud of him because i know that they're right. what andrew's doing right now makes us so proud. but i must take exception. he has attacked me as a reporter and he has not been truthful every time he's done it. yeah. he has never been right with anything he has said that's negative about me. >> i got to tell you i also have the dworchgovernor of louisianag on. according to our cnn reporting, the fastest-growing covid, you know, infection rate in the world right now. it is a red state. it needs to be taken seriously and we're going to talk to the governor and see why that is happening. i'll see you tomorrow. be safe. okay, chris, thank you so much. this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. here is our breaking news. coronavirus outbreak getting worse by the hour across the united states. but president trump appears to be wishing it away. and i'm going to explain it why -- explain to you why because it is abundantly clear that he is itching to ease up on social distancing restrictions
when the 15-day period ends, and that is a week from now. >> certainly, this is going to be bad. and we're trying to make it so that it's much, much less bad. and that's what we're doing. i think we are doing a very good job of it. so, yeah, it's bad and it's going to, obviously, the numbers are going to increase with time. and then they're going to start to decrease. and we're going to be opening our country up for business because our country was meant to be opened. >> so at that same press conference, his officials stressed the importance of social distancing to prevent those numbers from increasing. and what are those numbers, really? they're actually not numbers. they're people with coronavirus. now, more than 42,000 confirmed cases in the u.s. that is a jump of 10,000 cases. 10,000 cases from this time last night. and the surgeon general issuing this dire warning. >> i want america to understand this week, it's going to get
bad. really, really -- >> you don't think people are taking it serious? >> i think there are a lot of people who are doing the right things. but i think, unfortunately, we are finding out a lot of people think this can't happen to them. >> as of tonight, the coronavirus has claimed the lives of at least 541 americans. that is more than 100 deaths in this country in just the last 24 hours. when asked, tonight, if he agreed with the surgeon general's dire prognosis about the virus, the president brought up the flu and car accidents. >> again, i say we have a very active flu season. more active than most. it's looking like it's heading to 50,000 or more deaths. death. not cases. 50,000 deaths. which is -- that's a lot. and you look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we're talking
about. that doesn't mean we're going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. so we -- we have to do things to get our country opened. >> so we've gone full circle now. the president's own experts have repeatedly said this is not like the flu. this is not like the flu. it is deadlier than the flu. it is more contagious than the flu. last week, it seems lied like t president kind of got that concept. this week, even though we are just at the beginning of dealing with the crisis here, the president saying he expects social distancing restrictions to be gone soon. >> you said it's likely going to be weeks, not months, before you suggest easing these guidelines you put out. have any of the doctors on your team told you that's the right path to pursue? >> we spoke to them today and i was telling them that we have two things to look for. don't forget, the doctors, if it were up to the doctors, they may say let's keep it shut down. let's shut down the entire world because again, you're up to almost 150 countries. so let's shut down the entire
world and when we shut it down, that would be wonderful. and let's keep it shut for a couple of years. you know, you can't do that. you can't do that with a country with the number one economy in the world by war. you can you can't do that. >> worldwide, there are now more than 16,000 deaths. director of the world health organization warning that the pandemic is accelerating and points out it took 67 days for that total number of cases to hit 100,000. only 11 days to hit 200,000 cases. and just four days to hit 300,000. so let's bring in the person you saw asking that last question right there. cnn white house correspondent kaitlan collins. kaitlan, good to see you. thank you so much. i saw some big social distancing there at the -- in the briefing room. so i'm glad you guys are doing that. let's talk about what the president says. he says things might get worse in this country, and yet he is itching to scale back social
distancing. what is the latest here? >> yeah. that's what's so interesting. he said he agreed with the surgeon general's assessment it's going to get worse this week before it gets better. and of course the deadline when they are going to be making this decision is a week from today. that's when they are going to be deciding whether they are going to move forward with these guidelines. the president made pretty clear repeatedly that he is leaning toward easing them. he also admitted none of the doctors on his team have endorsed that idea. he said they've discussed it. he thinks they're okay with it but he made pretty clear it's not something they have pushed for. we know privately behind the scenes, that is not something dr. fauci and others have said they feel is the right move. >> so are there details yet on how the president would get the country back up and running again if the coronavirus is not contained? >> that's what's so unsure about all this because there are these guidelines from the white house. you know, they were actually more strict than a lot of the ones we had seen at the time that said limit yourselves to ten people or fewer.
but now, if they go back, they try to ease these, they want some businesses that have shuttered their doors to reopen, how does that go with the state guidelines are? because they're pretty strict in certain areas, you saw some pretty strict ones in south carolina and other states. today, the question is what guidance do they operate under? do they follow frwhat the feder guidance is? and so many schools have closed until the end of the school year. they are not reopening. so if the president does decide to send some people back to work, have some businesses reopen, how does that work for families who their children are not going back to school for the rest of the year? so there are a lot of unknowns about this as well. >> you heard the conversation chris and i had. noticeably absent, dr. fauci. do we know where he was? >> the president said he was in the task force meeting today. he was simply doing other work. and we have seen dr. fauci miss some of the other briefings before. they say he's got a job to do
and standing on the stage in the briefing room for two hours isn't always the most effective move. so that is times you don't see him there. but of course you cannot ignore, don, this comes as dr. fauci did that interview where he made clear he's got to contradict the president when he says things that aren't true. and dr. fauci, more than anyone else, has been most confident in coming forward and contradicting the president even when they're sharing that stage in the briefing room together. so that's why it raises questions. when he's not present. and the president is the one commenting on potential drug solutions to coronavirus, people would rather hear they say from someone like an expert like dr. fauci than someone who isn't, you know, a doctor. >> dr. fauci not there but the attorney general was there to talk about price gouging and hoarding of supplies as well. thank you, kaitlan, i appreciate that. i want to turn now to manu raju on capitol hill for the latest on negotiations to pass a massive stimulus bill to keep the economy moving through the coronavirus outbreak. manu, thank you so much. where do things stand now? >> well, there are intense
negotiations that have been happening all day long into the late hours. that's actually been going on for several days. really, since this past friday. every single night going late into the night and right now, in chuck schumer's office, treasury secretary steven mnuchin and top white house aide are meeting with schumer for the fifth time today. they have been going back and forth over proposals. trying to narrow down their differences. euland and mnuchin have met multiple times with mitch mcconnell as well. they have been trying to sort out all of those differences and both sides are signaling that could be a deal as soon as tonight. mnuchin told reporters earlier this evening they were trying to close it out. and chuck schumer said they are pushing forward as well. and this came, don, in the day of high tension on capitol hill. both sides are pushing to get this done but these handful of differences have left the two sides, republicans and democrats, at war with each other of sorts with mitch mcconnell accusing the democrats of acting recklessly in his
view. and democrats saying they're simply trying to make the bill better. but nevertheless, there is an expectation that ultimately this will pass roughly $2 trillion. a sweeping bill. that would touch a number of industries and companies and individuals that have been hurt by this economic crisis. but the ultimate question is when does that happen? and what the the final provisions look like? we should have a better sense of that later tonight and into the morning, don. >> manu, not to get too deep into the weeds here, what's been the hangup in these talks? >> there have been several provisions they have fought about for days but one of the things that's really been a central part of negotiation is roughly $500 billion that would be provided to the government to dole out to industries, localities businesses, companies, that need this money. how does that program get structured? what does that oversight look like? those are the questions they've been fighting about for some time. so that's one of the big things they have hung up on but it sounds like they're getting closer to a resolution on that too, don. >> you spoke to the house
speaker nancy pelosi today, correct? what what'd she say? >> she is open to moving the senate bill, which is news because she had not yet made that comment clear but she said if the senate bill is to her satisfaction of her and her members, they would be open to passing that bill and essentially ending the stalemate. now, the house democrats did move their own bill or propose their own bill today. $2.5 trillion but she is not committed to moving that bill yet. she's using it as almost trying to get leverage to move the house -- move the senate republicans and democrats to closer to her direction. we'll see what they do but we don't expect chuck schumer to back a bill the speaker doesn't report. so we expect them ultimately to be on the same page. if they vote, the question is will the house members all return to washington to vote? or will they do it by a voice vote so members don't have to return? that's another question to watch here as they get out of town amid concerns that coronavirus has hit capitol hill. >> manu raju, thank you very
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symptoms to the time they get tested. it takes a while. so during these last 10 to 14 days, i think the question is what has happened in the country? do we think that the spread has gone down for some reason? or do we think it's continued to go up? and i think it's pretty clear that it continues to go up. yes, the numbers are going up because we're doing increased testing. but it's pretty clear the numbers are also going up because there's more spread. and, look, don, you know, hong kong was a place i talked about maybe a week and a half ago. and i held it up as a shining example of how things can be done right. they've still done a good job but as soon as they let their guard down, you saw the numbers double within a few days over there. so, you know, it's painful to do what we're doing. it's -- it's tough for the entire country. but if you don't do it, absolutely, the numbers are going to go up. i think any public health official who says otherwise is probably not being completely honest about it. >> you know, you are right about that. it is painful. americans are sacrificing a lot with this social distancing and yet it has clearly hurt the
economy. everyone is worried about that, too. but if we stop this social distancing, as well, and if we stop it too soon, the virus spreads like crazy again, will this have all been for not? is it just going to go right back up? and what we did was just, you know, an exercise in futility? >> you know, i mean, that is -- that is the concern. and look, it's not just, you know, we know that younger people now are also needing to be hospitalized. 20% of those that are in the hospital are younger people. don, you know, this term has been used for, you know, several weeks now. flattening the curve. i think there is this -- this belief that, over time, you know, maybe not this season but over the next year or so, most people, 40 to 60% of the people in this country will likely get exposed to this virus. okay? that's how it's spreading. it's far more contagious than the flu. the flu spreads to 1.2 people. this spreads to more like 2.5
people so it's more contagious. the question is how fast is that spread going to occur? that's what this is about right now. it's -- if you slow it down and not all those people are rushing into the hospital, you're going to save a lot more lives. you're going to be able to get these people out of the hospital and recovered. and hopefully, when they're recovered, they're immunized or at least protected against this virus for a while. that's the sort of goal here. if you don't do that, then a lot of people are going to access the healthcare system very quickly. and that's -- that -- that is the worst-case scenario. >> listen. some have said that this is a health emergency. some say it's an economic emergency. some say it's both. the president addressing the balance between public health and the economy. listen to this, sanjay. >> our country's learned a lot. we've learned about social distancing. we've learned about the hands. we've learned about staying away. you look at nebraska. you look at idaho. you look at iowa. you look at many -- i can name many countries that are handling
it very, very well and that are not affected to the same extent or, frankly, not even nearly to the extent that new york. >> but dr. birx said herself only two places in the world have moved through their curve. china and south korea. and there is a lag time. so how do we know places like iowa won't have a surge in cases down the road? i mean, listen, those places -- big cities, i mean, people travel to big cities. eventually, it will get to smaller towns and smaller places. >> yeah. absolutely, don. i think, look, i mean, we're talking about a little virus here. you know, it doesn't respect borders or boundaries. and -- and once it starts to take foothold in a community, then it -- it will start to spread. and because it is a contagious virus, maybe because of the density, public transport, there is all these different factors. maybe it doesn't become, you know, as widespread as what's happened in new york city but i think it's pretty clear that over the next couple of weeks,
we are going to see all these communities around the country who are going to have more and more cases. i mean, sustained community spread is something that is happening in the united states. again, luckily, there may be measures in place to sort of slow down how quickly people need medical care if they need medical care. and, don, that's an important point as well. you know, most of the people in the united states, if you look at the studies, most of the people who are getting infected don't need to be hospitalized. around 12 to 13% need to be hospitalized so most people can recover from this at home and that's the good news. but for those 12 to 13%, which ends up being -- i mean, you can do the math but 30, 40 million people, you need to make sure that they're not all accessing the healthcare system at the same time. and that's what this is all about right now because we don't have the resources in these hospitals, as you are hearing about. there's hospitals already starting to run low on some of these supplies. >> right. and also, testing. there may be cases, more cases in places but they just have not
been tested. they may be there and they don't even know about them. let's talk about the -- the possible drug, right, that the president has been touting and talking about. did it sound like they are hoping that they can do enough testing in the next week, doctor, that they think that they may have a possible drug? let young people go back to work or people in less hard-hit areas to go back to work. are they right about those things? >> i mean, again, i don't think it'll happen that quickly. you know, look, everyone is hopeful that there's going to be some sort of therapeutic like this. it does take time. here's the advantage the drug has. it's an existing drug. the chloroquine, it's been around for 86 years as an anti-malarial drugs. it does have some side effects but those side effects are pretty well known and described. the only study that's really been done on it in human beings is a study of 26 people, don. and six of those people were actually excluded from the study. but when we looked to see what
happened to those six people, why did the researchers take them out of the study? we found one person left the hospital on their own. one person could not tolerate the medicine because of the side effects. three people, out of the 26, went to the intentisive care un. and one person died. if you do the math on that, 11% of the patients went to the critical icu and about 4% died. really small study so hard to read into that. but my point is this, that you wouldn't look at that on first blush and say that's going to be it, necessarily. maybe it is. maybe -- maybe, in larger populations, it actually ends up working really well. and i think everybody would love that. and i think now you're going to see those trials take place. you get -- you get i think what governor cuomo talked about today and the president reinforced was 10,000 i think treatments that are going to be going into new york city. hopefully, going to be given as part of a clinical trial. follow these patients. see what worked, what didn't. compare them to similar patients
that did not get the treatment and see if, in fact, there is a benefit. but, don, that process takes time. we're talking months, not days or weeks. >> always with the facts and the science. thank you, doctor, appreciate your time. as the president signals he wants to scale back social distancing, governors across the country are building up the restrictions in their states including louisiana. i'm going to speak to the governor there. he's next.
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i want everyone to pay attention to me. especially, young folks and some folks down south in red states or just all over. this is very important. tonight, the governor of washington state has ordered residents to stay at home for two weeks, effectistve immediately. same order from governor of hawaii effective wednesday. so now at least 15 states have stay at home orders in place. representing more than one in three americans. r louisiana's order also took effect this evening and i want to bring in now the governor of my home state of louisiana john bel edwards. governor, thank you so much. i spent the entire day talking about -- >> don, thank you very much.
>> absolutely. talking to my family, my friends, my college buddies, everyone from the state. and they were surprised by what i'm going to say to you right now. and wondering what the heck is going on. a week ago, your state had just over 130 cases. it is now skyrocketed to 1,100 cases. you say louisiana has the fastest growth rate of coronavirus cases in the world. why is that? >> well, i can't tell you why. but -- but we're quite certain that it's true and that's very unfortunate. we know that two weeks ago today, we had one case. today, we have 1,172. and 34 deaths, sadly. we know that we have the third highest case count in the country by state on a per capita basis. we know that the trajectory of the growth in cases has us right where spain and italy were, for example. so we know, and dr. gupta did a great job a while of explaining this, we have to start flattening the curve soon here
so that we extend the duration of this event over a longer period of time. and don't have too many people infected all at the same time presenting to the hospital, where we will overwhelm our capacity to deliver healthcare. so we're -- we're working hard to flatten the curve. we're surging our medical capacity. but that's why we did the shelter at home order that was effective at 5:00 tonight because we've got to minimize contact and slow the spread. and we don't have a long time to get that done. >> yeah. couple questions. and i put up the graph. you just mentioned this. okay. this is provided by your office. showing what you just mentioned. the steep growth rate in louisiana. similar to hard-hit italy and spain. you're worried that -- that your state could be italy. that could -- that could be next for you. right? >> well, there's no reason that we can't be. so we have to take that seriously. and we have a challenge. and louisianans, as we always do, we're going to respond. we're going to come together and
we're going to do what is necessary. every single louisianan has a role to play and we have to be good neighbors. and we can be good neighbors and we can love one another by staying away from one another. by not having that contact. by staying at home if it's not essential that you're out or working for one of the essential businesses, forexample. and when you are out, get what you need and go back home. we don't have any time to wait. we have to bend that curve. otherwise, we're going to be in real trouble when it comes to delivering healthcare around the state of louisiana. and first and foremost, down in the new orleans area. >> you did the stay at home. what, it went into effect a few hours ago. >> 5:00 tonight, yes, sir. >> do you wish you had done it sooner? >> well, the facts didn't warrant doing it sooner. you know, we had already implemented mitigation measures by executive order. i will tell you we were, quiet frankly, surprised by the growth rate. but once it became obvious what
our growth rate was, consulting the cdc guidance, i've had plenty of opportunities. i've been able to talk to dr. brett gerard, for example, about testing. i have been able to talk directly to the surgeon general jerome adams. dr. adams came down to louisiana and i have been able to visit with him. talking to tony fauci, dr. fauci, we were just able to make a decision that this just had to be done. and so, you know, i can't go back and change what did or didn't happen yesterday. but i can -- but i can start today. and that's what i'm asking everybody to do in louisiana, by the way. is start now. and practice social distancing and engage in these mitigation measures as if your life depends on it because somebody's life does depend on it. >> i've got to ask you about this. there's a louisiana pastor who is directly defying the cdc guidance to your recommendations of social distancing and crowd size. he held a service on sunday with more than 1,800 attendees. pastor tony spell says if anyone
in his congregation -- there's the pictures there -- contracts covid-19, that he was going to heal them through god. i want you to listen to this. >> address that by laying hands on him and praying for him. >> what is your message to pastor spell and his congregants? >> well, first of all, i'm a person of faith. i absolutely believe in the power of prayer. but i also believe in science. and, in this case, i choose to do what science tells me while i pray for the best possible outcome. we are working and preparing for the worst and trying to avoid the worst. and i'm encouraging all leaders, whether they're business leaders, political leaders, and certainly faith leaders, to do what they can to assist me. and it is irresponsible for leaders to encourage their people to engage in activities that violate these mitigation measures that now have been implemented by executive order. but i do want to say this.
the overwhelming majority of leaders, faith leaders included, have been extremely responsive. and they have found new and innovative ways to engage their congregations in prayer, through online messaging and -- and -- and facebook and, you know, just doing what they can do to make sure that they are still ministering to their congregations. but observing this executive order as difficult as it is. and i'm going to encourage them all to continue to do that. and i'm asking pastor spell to do that, as well. >> listen. we have a young lady just quickly here because i'm up against the clock, if you will, i know it's important though. but we have a young lady who is on that didn't sort of believe this was real, right, and then she came down with it. you heard the governor of new york tell people, you know, you got to get out of the parks, right? there were too many people in the parks. there were people in d.c. there were people in d.c. to see the cherry blossoms. blue. red state, louisiana, people out. they were out for i think there
was a parade and people were out in bourbon street, what have you, in the french quarter. listen. this should not be a partisan thing. i want people in red states and blue states to listen. this is not a partisan thing. we're all in this together. and even the pastor of the church, this is not -- we've got to stop this. we've got to believe in science and get a handle on this thing. what is your message to folks? >> well, i mean, that's precisely it. i'm encouraging people in louisiana and elsewhere around the country, by the way, to do what you can. be -- be responsible. be a good neighbor. you know, i'll -- i'll quote luke chapter 10. he was the samaritan who was the neighbor to the robber's victim left him dead on the corrode between jericho and jerusalem. and you can do that by keeping a good distance and making sure you are not infecting them unnecessarily. >> the lord helps those who help themselves. thank you, governor, appreciate you joining us. good luck down there. the president says the cure
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the health of the economy? >> well, i mean, obviously you want an economy that works. but one in which hospitals are overflowing and the healthcare system is breaking down isn't that place. i mean, i think ultimately public health officials would be unanimous in believing that the best way to get the economy back on track is to get the virus under control. and until you get the virus under control, you'll never really have the economy back on track. the cost in the long run of -- of letting up on the social distancing could be much greater, the economic cost could be much greater plainiying it through until you get this under control. >> richard, you know, will lifting restrictions on travel and just focusing on hot zones put the economy at further risk if the virus continues to spread faster and overwhelms the hospital systems? >> all we can look at is the evidence of other countries as the w.h.o. continually reminds us. and if you look at the little charts that show the little dots moving out from china, from
wuhan, and hubei province. and then through shanghai. and then they went through europe and further afield. and we are seeing it again here in the united states that the spread you were just talking to the governor there in louisiana. what may have started on the coasts has now moved further in. so the evidence would suggest that if you lift the travel and restrictions too soon, that's exactly what you're going to get. and that's why, tonight, in the united kingdom, the prime minister boris johnson has tightened the restrictions even though it's a couple of weeks in. they've got tighter lockdown because, as he said, if they do not do that, then they're facing a total collapse of the health service. >> speaking of doing a 180, right, boris johnson there. listen. this is -- and listening to the president today, this is a significant change, richard, from what we are -- what we heard, you know, in the past couple weeks, right? that this could go into the summer. what do you think is driving
this change? >> i think concern about the overall economy. the latin phrase -- which literally means the remedy is worse than the disease. and that's what the president is -- is concerned about. he just sees, i think, and it's -- it's a valid, legitimate concern. that if you're -- long-term, you know, here is a statistic to put this into context. i was adding it up earlier. there are -- if you add up all those states that have got full-scale restrictions, restaurants closed, stay at home policies in place, you are talking about 45% of the u.s. economy at the moment. so nearly half. and i'm guessing it will be over half by the time we're into the mid middle of next week. he is obviously rightly concerned where he hears prognosis that the jobless rate could go to 30%. he literally has the true definition of the word dilemma. a choice of two unappealing options. and at the moment, the evidence
would suggest that he's better off sticking with the lockdowns rather than opening up the economy. >> ron, new york governor andrew cuomo was on with his brother, with chris tonight, he's just saying coming up with a plan to restart the economy is very important obviously. but that pitting it against public health is a false choice. lives are more important. clearly, all these leaders are feeling the weight of the impact of the economy too, right? >> well, first, the reason we are in this dilemma and the reason we've had to go to this kind of blunder-bust social distancing so heavily is in large part a failure to test. it eliminated the option of a more targeted approach focusing on the people who were diagnosed with the disease and following their contacts. but think there's a political dimension to this as well. which is that -- which is that if you look, there is still a big gap between how red states and blue states are responding to this. you know, even in -- even in red
states like louisiana, it tends to be concentrated so far in the biggest metro areas. there is still a big gap in polling on the share of republicans and democrats who believe this is a serious threat. incredible number today, don. "new york times" did a map using gps technology from a private company showing how much people have reduced their personal travel in response to this. >> we have that map. can we put that up, what he is talking about? go ahead. >> i was going to say 23 of the 25 states where there's been reduction in travel, 15 were won by donald trump. if you look at the governors, i think all be but these three of those orders are in states with democratic governors and one of the republicans used to be a democrat. so there is still a big gap here. and i think that may, in effect, that may be contributing to the president's argument that, you know, we're shutting -- we are imposing too much risk. we're imposing too much cost on people who aren't at risk in his view.
to reduce the danger to those who are at the maximum risk. primarily, at this point, in big blue metropolitan areas. >> and you can read ron's piece in the atlantic. it's called red and blue america aren't experiencing the same pandemic. thank you both for joining us. it's all we have time for. see you both soon. new data shows younger people are more susceptible to coronavirus than previously thought. and my next guest is a prime example of that. she is an otherwise healthy 26-year-old who has been hospitalized because of coronavirus. and she has a message tonight. she wants you to hear it. and sometimes, you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. a partner who makes sure every step is clear, are you currently using a whitening toothpaste, but not seeing results? try crest 3d whitestrips. its enamel-safe formula lifts and removes stains to provide 100% noticeably whiter teeth or your money back.
the case for a 26 year-old. who was admitted to the hospital last week and tested positive for the coronavirus. despite being young and no preexisting medical conditions. she's using her experience to warn others to take this public health crisis seriously and stay home. practice social distancing. she joins me now. >> thank you for joining us. how are you feeling? any symptoms? >> i'm feeling okay. better every day. but there are still some lingering symptoms that will probably be a while before i'm up to my normal self. >> how long were you in the hospital? >> i spent two nights in the hospital. monday night and left wednesday. >> tell us how and when this all started for you. >> sure, so i got a fever on friday march 13. that evening and the fever
persisted through the next day and i experienced a cough. fever continued. sunday i was feeling better i thought i was on the mend and would be fine. started planning to take a shower monday and get to the household tasks and sunday night into monday morning i developed vomiting and woke up with shivers. and developed what i now recognize was shortness of breath. at the time i was confused as to what the symptom was. it went throughout monday to the point i had to go to the emergency room. i couldn't speak and walk or eat. the breath was too difficult. so luckily talked to a doctor who convinced me it was time to go in and gave me oxygen. >> how long did it take the test in the hospital? did you notice other young people there as well? >> i was quickly ushered into a room by myself. i didn't personally see young people. i was told there was a 30 year-old in the next room.
they had been increasingly seeing younger patients and took them 12 hours to test me. and i was told initially i didn't qualify for the a test. i hadn't interacted with someone else to be known to be covid-19 positive or traveled to china or japan. italy and korea. i'm not sure why i got tested when i did. it did happen early in the morning on tuesday. >> you were in the hospital since you have been out since wednesday. you have to be quarantined for how much longer? >> i need to stay isolated until i test negative. so i'm waiting for a call from the department of health. i'm supposed to call them and inquire about somehow setting up a test to see if i'm over this thing. >> you believed you didn't think it was a hoax. you thought young people were less susceptible at getting it. >> i work at the wellness and social justice. i took it seriously as an ally.
i thought it would be my role. protecting the elderly and immune suppressed. i thought i would ride it out at home. i was so reluctant to go to the hospital. i went at the last possible moment and i'm thankful to amy partner and parents to convince me to go and talking to doctors on my behalf. i was in denial how serious it could get. >> we're glad you're okay. keep us updated. thank you so much and get well soon. >> thank you, don. >> this are now more than 42,000 cases of coronavirus in the u.s. more than 100 people have died within 24 hours. what's the president saying tonight? that's next. the network has to be prepared to absorb whatever is going to come its way. we're always preparing. make sure that the network is working all the time. we are constantly looking at it, we're constantly monitoring. we take that responsibility very seriously.
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