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we will be extending our guidelines to april 30th to slow the spread. >> looking at what we're seeing now, i would say between 100 and 200,000 deaths. i just don't think we really need to make a projection when it's such a moving target. we'll remain on the trajectory to overwhelm our pacioretty to deliver health care by the end of the first week in april. >> unless we continue a very vigorous plan, this will continue to spread like wildfire. >> we're going to get you every conceivable supply we can get to you. >> we're running out of equipment. >> we're getting hit.
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this is "new day" we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is new day. it is monday, march 30th. 6:00 in new york. the united states will remain shut through at least april. president trump has extended social distancing guidelines through the end next month. that is a change from his earlier suggestion of opening at easter. the president conceding that the coronavirus deaths in the united states could reach 100,000 or more after he received a sobering presentation from his top health official. the death toll in the united states is now nearly 2,500 people. but we're told the peak of the outbreak is still weeks away. there are nearly 140,000 confirmed cases nationwide. but dr. anthony fauci warns that millions of americans could be infected. we'll speak with dr. fauci later
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this hour. stick around for that. >> the death toll in new york alone is nearing 1,000. new york city mayor, bill de blasio says hospitals could run out this week, ventilators could be gone sooner. health care workers are saying emergency rooms resemble war zones with protective gear and overcrowding. in minutes, cnn will take you inside one new york city hospital and show you how dire the situation s the naval hospital ship comfort arrives here in new york city today. it will treat non-coronavirus patients to free up space in hospitals. field hospitals have been set up inside the javits convention center and even in central park. nearly 900 new york police officers have coronavirus. that's 12% of the force now out sick. 911 calls have increased by 50%. governors across the country are bracing for similar situations. we want to begin our coverage with brynn gingras live at elmhurst hospital in queens, new
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york. brynn, the president himself said the images from these hospitals, this hospital in elmhurst moved him. it's probably what pushed him, in part, to making the decision to extend the restrictions until the end of april. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, we've been here last week, john. it is pretty traumatic just to see this constantly going on. the president also mentioned in that news conference yesterday this insinuation of hoarding going on with personal protective equipment without bringing any facts behind it. i can tell you there's no hoarding going on inside this hospital where the need is one of the biggest in the entire city. health officials say this e.r. and e.r.s across the city are twice as full. the ic units are three times as large at this point. hotspots not only here but popping up across the country as dr. anthony fauci has said, now is not the time to be complacent. president trump pushing back
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hopes to end the virtual national shutdown by easter. >> we will be extending our guidelines to april 30th to slow the spread. >> trump's move reportedly coming after dr. anthony fauci and dr. deborah birx, members of the coronavirus task force presented models that showed 100,000 or more people could die from disease. >> we're going to have millions of cases. what we do know is we have a serious problem in new york. we have a serious problem in new orleans and we'll be developing serious problems in other areas. >> as state leaders watch the cases spike in new york, they're streamlining the distribution of critical supplies. >> we have a desperate need for the testing kits. >> my role is to get every person personal pro tech equipment every piece i can get into the state of michigan. we need some assistance. we're going to need thousands of ventilators. >> we obviously have a spread growing faster than we would like to see.
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the first real issue is going to be ventilators. >> new york city's mayor warning, it's not just ventilators his hospital will need. >> personnel is more and more the issue. we need to get them relief. >> on the fields of central park, an emergency hospital is under construction adding to a growing number of satellite locations in the city to take care of the sick. the cdc also advising new york, new jersey and connecticut residents over the weekend to refrain from non-essential travel for 14 days. states like rhode island and florida establishing driver checkpoints, ordering two-week self-quarantines from those entering from the hardest hit areas. >> this is a way to keep people safe. >> new york governor andrew cuomo will need all hands on deck to fight the coronavirus. >> yes, new york is the epicenter. and these are different times and many people arefrightened. but, look, this is new york. we are going to make it through
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this. >> i can tell you what's constant in elmhurst, that line behind me of people and the wail of sirens coming and going from this hospital. remember, there are others on the frontlines aside from the doctors and nurses. we're talking about the ems, the firefighters, the nypd made a rare move over the weekend allowing its officers to tell their commanding officers if they're worried about underlying health that they have. they could possibly work from home. remember, alisyn, the nypd lost its first uniformed officer this weekend to coronavirus. >> brynn, thank you very much for the update and for your reporting from there. joining us now is cnn medical analyst and infectious disease specialist celine gallgallagher. lisa monaco. she served under president obama. doctor, 140,000 cases roughly across the country at
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the moment. 2400 people dead. how do you assess where we are right now as we start this week? >> well, quite frankly, alisyn, we're at the beginning of this. new york city, not surprisingly is the hardest hit at the moment. but it's also the largest city across the country. we have international connections with the rest of the world. you know, this is not surprising that new york city is seeing this first. i fully expect that this virus will continue it march across the country. that other cities are seeing, michigan, detroit area, los angeles, new orleans and other cities across the country being affected. it's only a matter of time before this penetrates into less dense, more suburban, more rural parts of the country. i've heard already, for example, very rural parts of the navajo reservation in new mexico are being affected. this is not something that's going to spare any parts of the country. >> lisa, it sounds like dr.
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fauci and dr. birx were able to impress upon president trump the graph fi of the situation through the numbers. it sounds like one model they're using, dr. birx, says that 200,000 americans, that's the upper end, could die in the next month even with the social distancing and the restrictions that we're seeing. that obviously got his attention. without the social distancing, or if it were to be lifted prematurely. i think the number she used was 2.2 million. so, of course, it's not surprising that president trump yesterday announced that we are in this situation at least through april. >> no. that's exactly right, alisyn. the models you cited, that's what we talk about when we talk about the can you rememburve an flatten the curve. it's speep ening as we speak. i would suspect, that's what dr. fauci and dr. birx tried to make
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clear to the president. yesterday's announcement was, i think, a good one, a smart one. it was the right thing to do. it appears to have been science-based and based on data. that's good. it comes as an abrupt shift from the statements the president was making last week about lifting these restrictions and having easter be a time we would move back from them. but data made no sense. we shouldn't have been flirting with an easter letup to begin with based on the numbers that, frankly, were available last week. as dr. gounder was saying, we're at the beginning of this. in a world where the death tolls doubled over the last two days and the -- what we're seeing now is really multiples of what we were seeing last week. this is no time to let up.
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>> dr. dpougounder, president t said something else yesterday in his press conference. the doctors i'm talking to, they're texting me and calling it bizarre and insulting. that was suggesting that hospitals or doctors are somehow hoarding equipment. let me play for you what the president said. >> how do you from 10 to 20 to 300,000, 10 to 20,000 masks, to 300,000 even though this is different. something is going on. you ought to look into it as reporters. where are the masks going? out the back door? i think people should check that. there's something going on. i don't think it's hoarding. i think it's maybe worse than hoarding. >> dr. gounder, can you explain why hospitals need so much to the president. >> he asked how did you get from
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10 to 20,000 to 300,000. i'll tell you that. you have an average medical team, 20 patients per attending physician, head doctor on the team. maybe zero to one of the patients under normal circumstances would require we wear an n95 respirator mask. now we're 19 or 20 out of 20 of the patients. you multiply 10 to 20,000 by 20. you get 200,000 to 400,000. he was asking how you get to that. those numbers match up exactly. i don't really understand. it's pretty basic math and pretty clear what's happening here. >> lisa, how is it possible that dr. fauci or anybody on the task force hasn't explained that to the president? >> look, you have to imagine that they have and he seemed to be responding yesterday, i watched that press conference
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that reference to hoarding and these things going out the back door was, frankly, head snapping to think about that when the -- what really is needed for these health care workers on the frontlines, they're the first responders in this crisis. we should be focusing every ounce of our effort not on blame games, not on speculation but on moving urgently all of the supplies and the protective gear that we possibly can to the folks who need it most. >> lisa, one last question for you. there is questions about how much the public should know. how much the public should be told about specific numbers in their community, about -- just this is sort for contact tracing so you could know which vicinities to avoid, in terms of national security, where are you on that question? >> look, i think based on my
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experience, when i served as homeland security adviser to president obama, i helped lead our response to ebola. one thing i learned very, very quickly was that the most important thing that you can do in a public health crisis is communicate clearly, consist ently and credibly. people need information in order to act, to keep themselves safe. we absolutely need to be getting those numbers out. being very clear about it. being consistent with that messaging and all of that is going to be supported by getting more widespread testing out there. because we can't -- if we can't see it, we can't stop it and we can't address it. >> dr. gounder, is it too late for that? in terms of context or anything, has this horse already left the barn? how can people go back and retrace their steps for the past two weeks? >> when we talk about when can
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we lift some of these social restrictions, it's really -- we have to wait until the point when we can do contact tracing again. what does that mean? we need to see the number of cases, deaths peak and start to go on the decline. but then, further, we need to get to the point where we can actually say, person a infected person b and c and person c infected person d and e. until you can do that, until you can actually trace it in that way, you know, it's not possible to left these social distancing measures. it means we have to suppress it to that degree and then you can talk about lifting measures, doing contact tracing, doing testing. but we have a long ways to go until we get there. just to lisa's point earlier, i have also worked on ebola in west africa. transparency is absolutely key. if you're not transparent with the public, they know you're not being transparent. then you lose your trust and
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your credibility. >> dr. gounder, lisa monaco, thank you very much for all of your expertise. coming up in minutes, we'll speak with the nation's top infectious disease expert. dr. anthony fauci will be here. also, cnn has an exclusive look inside a new york hospital. we have the view for you from the medical war zone next.
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this morning, the death toll in new york state is nearing 1,000. hospitals are reeling with new york city's mayor warning they will run out of supplies by this weekend. now, because of the nature of this pandemic, just how contagious it is and how fast it moves and playing technical
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challenges, wee haven't been able to show you the crisis on the front lines. that's about to change. cnn has an exclusive look inside a brooklyn hospital on the frontlines of this pandemic. miguel marquez joins us. we have been in actual war zones. the descriptions you give as to what you have seen inside the hospitals reminiscent to me of actual war zones. >> reporter: it's funny you say that. because all along in this pandemic that's what i've been thinking about, whether it's iraq or afghanistan. in many ways, now that i've been to one, certainly the hospitals we were invited to brookdale hospital in brownsville area, largely african american and latino, also one of the poorest in the city on a normal day, they have plenty to keep them busy. but coronavirus has pushed the hospital to the edge. >> every corridor, every corner,
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every ward, every inch of brookdale hospital medical center in brooklyn now inundated with those suffering from covid-19. >> what are you looking at on a daily basis? how difficult is this? >> this is a war zone. it's a medical war zone. every day i come in, what i see is pain, despair, suffering and health care disparity. >> through sunday afternoon, brookdale said it had at least 100 confirmed cases of covid-19 with nearly 80 awaiting confirmation. more than 20 people have died so far from the d.c. on top of its normal emergency flow. coronavirus is pushing the hospital to the max. >> we are here too. we're fighting for your lives and our own lives. we're trying to keep our head above water and not drown. >> doctors and nurses and those keeping the floors clean, they say, rising tide, uncertain how long it will rise. unsure if coronavirus won't sicken them as they struggle to stay a step ahead.
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>> what do you need right now? >> we need prayer and support. we need gowns, we need gloves. we need masks. we need more vents. we need more medical space. we need psychosocial support as well. it's not easy coming here when you know that what you're getting ready to face. >> the deaths here keep coming. while filming, another victim of covid-19 was moved to the temporary morgue. a refrigerated semi trailer parked out back. the hospital's regular morgue filled to capacity. >> how much room is in your morgue? >> usually we have around 20-plus bodies that we can fit comfortably. >> you've gone over that? >> gone over that. the state has been gracious enough to bring us apparatus to help keep families and keep the bodies in comfortable areas because we didn't want bodies on top of each other sneemt.
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>> they have 370 beds. they'd like to add more. many more. two weeks ago, this was the pediatric emergency room. now it's dedicated to victims of covid-19. plastic tarp taped to the ceiling offering some protection and a bit of privacy. >> the intensive care unit filled nearly to capacity and sealed so fewer doors and less traffic than usual comes and goes. this window is the only place where family members can watch their loved ones inside the unit as they chat with them via cell phone. it's sometimes as close as they can get as covid-19 takes another life. >> as grimace it is right now, dr. molette expects it will get worse. >> could end in the fall. it could end at the end of the year. but this is why we're begging everyone not just to put the pressure on the emergency department but also put everybody to help us to help them by staying home. >> you think this is for the long haul? this is months, not weeks?
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>> another worrisome thing coming to the doors, not just the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. >> i work at two hospitals. i work here in brooklyn and at a hospital in the bronx. south bronx is the same thing. i've had patients in their 30s and they are now intubated and really sick. i've had patients well -- >> no underlying conditions. >> no underlying conditions. the thing between life and death, as far as this coronavirus is that this virus, there's no difference -- has nothing do with age, has nothing to do with access to health care, has nothing to do with socioeconomics, race or ethnicity. it's killing a lot of people. >> brookdale has one advantage. the hospital officials say it can do rapid testing for coronavirus on site. its own lab right now up to 300 tests a day. they hope to get to 500 a day. >> right now we have about 52 specimens in here. right about to -- we're
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preparing to test at the moment. >> the hospital following centers for disease control guidelines on who gets coveted tests. patients admitted for possible coronavirus, health care workers showing symptoms and symptomatic long-term patients. each test aya labor russ and ti consuming. >> an extra milliliter of reagent, adding it to the machine can mess up the entire,. we would have to start all over from the beginning. >> e.r. doctors are used to stress. dr. molette says she's never experienced anything like this. >> don't lose sleep that well. i worry about my family, my safety, i worry about my colleagues, i worry about the shift next time i come. i worry about if a family member is going to be a patient as well, fall victim to the coronavirus. i worry about a lot of things.
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>> the disease, a marathon that health care workers alone cannot win or even finish. >> it's not up to just the mnl department to pull through and make sure the curve is flat end. this is a responsibility for everybody in the country to help us pull through. >> so stay the -- home. >> stay the home. exactly. it's not just us that has to help flatten the curve and help everybody. help us help you. >> she says it will take everyone pulling together. the worst day she fears are still ahead. >> reporter: what's made it more shocking, all of those individuals we talked to and others that we talked to off camera, they have special arrangements for their own lives. they come to work every day. when they go home, they can't go home. they have to skype with their family and live in a different location. the lab technician hasn't seen his girlfriend or daughter for
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two months in person. everybody giving 110% at that hospital and certainly others that we've seen. your heart goes out to them and just hoping that the crest of this wave comes soon. back to you guys. >> miguel, that's an incredible report that you just filed there. those are remarkable images. the people lining the hallways, jumped out at me. is the lack of protective gear noticeable? >> it is. the doctor that we interviewed, that was a surgical, paper surgical gown. we felt a little embarrassed once we got there, we had the proper white, hooded gear with goggles and masks and the boots, everything from head to toe, gloves. they looked at us as though we were space creatures. we were like, that's what we actually need in this situation. they have thousands of employees. everybody from the doctors and
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the administrators of the hospital, the people who sweep up and dump the trash out, all of them just as important as the other to keeping that entire organism going. they are desperate for more gear. some of the folks that we spoke to, they stop off at home depot, they go to ebay and buy it online in bulk as often as they can and bring it in, paying retail prices basically for stuff they cannot get. >> look, i love you, miguel. i'm glad you had the right gear on. but you shouldn't have better gear than the doctors and medical workers and nurses on the frontlines. that speaks volumes to the supplies that they have. how are the other hospitals around the city and the country providing help at this point? >> i mean, everything that we hear from other hospitals is it's much the same. they are moving toward that max point. they are moving toward -- they're dealing with all of the regular trauma and all the regular cases that they have and
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covid-19 is moving them to a place where it is going to overwhelm them. the icu center, you couldn't see much because it's blocked off in this area, is completely maxed out. they barely have a bed left. they have 65 ventilators. they have a few left so that people need them. but all of the people you saw shoved into the hallways there, they are basically in the emergency department and they are waiting to be assessed to go -- they've all been admitted and waiting for icu, on a bed, a ventilators. they're trying to work through the cases. it is a triage at this hospital and others that will get brutal as the days go forward. >> this is an important look that you gave us inside this fight at the frontlines. these are pictures we haven't been able to see before. i think it informs how all of us will think about this battle going forward. miguel marquez, thank you very much for your work and your crew being brave enough to do that.
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! no state, no metro area will be spared and the sooner we react and the sooner the states and the metro areas react and ensure that they've put in full mitigation, at the same time understanding what their hospitals need, then we'll be able to move forward together and protect the most americans. >> okay. you just heard white house coronavirus response coordinator deborah birx warning that no state will be spared as the pandemic spreads throughout the country. three states are experiencing a significant spike in cases. that's california, illinois and
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florida. we have reporters in each of them for the latest. watch this. >> we're seeing a steep rise in the number of cases in california. just in time, the hospital ship mercy has begun to treat its first patients. this 1,000-bed ship is here for one reason. to take the heat off hospitals on land. it's going to treat non-coronavirus patients. behind me, you see this boardwalk, it should be crowded on a breezy early spring day. it's not because of extreme social distancing measures, also all state parks closed and in l.a. county, they also closed beaches and public hiking trails. these are extreme tactics to try to stop the spread of covid-19. >> i'm omar jimenez in chicago. as the number of cases rise in the state of illinois, including on the heels of the deadliest day yet in this state, there's
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been a -- to keep up with the rate of infections in all levels, including a push at the volunteer one in the form of personal protective equipment drives where people literally drop off masks and gloves to then be distributed to local health care providers here in the state. >> i'm in miami. the cruise ship has been given the green light to pass the panama canal for humanitarian reasons. four people on board died. others have tested positive for covid-19 and 180 people have exhibited flu-like symptoms. the ship left argentina on march 7th with 1200 passengers on board. once the ship passes the panama canal, it will take three days to get to the state of florida. florida has not given the okay for that ship to dock. >> our thanks to our reporters from all of that. meanwhile, let's talk about the financial side of this. when should you expect to
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now to financial side of the crisis. treasury secretary steve mnuchin says americans eligible to receive stimulus checks will get them via direct deposit within three weeks. chief business correspondent christine romans joins us with details. christine, this is for -- $75,0 >> what if your rent is due the 1st. >> that's the problem. wednesday is april 1st. rent and bills are due. the white house is promising to move more quickly than this has ever been done. there are already scams, alisyn. do not give your bank info, paypal account or personal information to anyone offering to get you your check. calls, texts and emails to connect you with your bailout checks, those are a swindle and they've already begun. here's how you get the money. if the irs has your bank info because you e-file your taxes,
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you'll see a direct deposit. if you need a paper clerk, there's a website to apply. the message for small business owners, hire your workers back because the government will pay you to do it. >> the loans to the small businesses will be ready for processing this coming week, okay? this coming friday. we'll have rapid speed, much faster than has been done in the past with these things. so we will get it into people's hands right away. >> of course, we'll watch and make sure that all happens. this is the biggest main street bailout in history. $350 billion for small business. for workers laid off, four months of full pay in jobless benefits. if you have a federal student loan, the government is pushing pause on payments until september 30th, john. >> during the news conference with the president we heard him say two of the biggest health
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insurers have a promise to people with medical bills. what is that? >> humana and cigna say you won't pay costs related to covid-19 treatment. some of the insurers have said that the testing would be free. they go further now and awaivin, co-pays, co-insurance on covid costs. your bills are still coming due, you might have to be out of work, you might have to pay out of pocket, right, for this illness. this is just another way of trying to press the pause button on another bill in case you need to. >> christine romans this morning for us. thanks very much. dr. anthony fauci warning that more than 100,000 americans could die from coronavirus. i will speak to dr. fauci next. ? neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair®. we've got the retinol that gives you results in one week. not just any retinol. accelerated retinol sa.
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so you're talking about 2.2 million deaths. 2.2 million people from this. so if we can hold that down as we're saying to 100,000, it's a
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horrible number. maybe even less. but 100,000. we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job. >> president trump reversing course and extending social distancing guidelines until the end of april. it comes after doctors on his task force warn with the current precauti precautions, even with the current precautions, the death toll in the united states could reach 200,000. joining us now is dr. anthony fauci, the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. dr. fauci, thank you for getting up early with us. thank you for all you're doing. let me ask you right away. why have the guidelines been extended to the end of april? why was that decision made? >> john, when you look at the kinetics of the outbreak, the patterns that are going on now even as we speak, they were not going to reach a peak in turn around the way we wanted to
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within the time frame that was originally estimated. so i thought it was prudent and i think the right decision to extend them another 30 days. because what you really want to do, you want to start seeing flattening out and turning around of the curve and it coming down. it wasn't doing that. if you look at new york, it was doing this. if you look at new orleans, it was doing this. detroit is certainly going to start doing that. it would not have been a good idea to pull back at a time when you really needed to be pressing your foot on the pedal as opposed to on the brakes. >> you keep talking about the peak. can you explain to the american people what exactly that peak looks like and how it will tax the system? >> well, there are a number of factors that are going on at the same time. one is the number of new cases per day. the other is the number of deaths that you have. so if you have, like, 100 cases today, 200 cases tomorrow, 400
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cases the next day, 600 cases the next day, you are clearly going in the wrong direction. you don't want to interfere except to try and suppress that. if you reach the point where the number of new cases starts to ee quill brate so yesterday you have 150, today 150, tomorrow you have 125, they're starting to level off, which is the beginning of the turning around of the curve of it coming down. deaths tend to linger a little bit more after the hospitalizations. but when you see the new hospitalizations start to do this, you know you're going in the right direction. we weren't doing that. we felt that if we prematurely pulled back, we would only form an acceleration or a rebound of something which would put you behind where you were before. that's the reason why we argued strongly with the president that he not withdraw those guidelines after 15 days. but that he extend them. he did listen.
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>> you argued strongly, you said, with the president. our reporting is that, among other things, you showed him these models that suggest that even with the current guidelines, the death total in the united states could be between 100,000 and 200,000. so why do you think that was so convincing? >> well, it was quite convincing when the president first said multiple times at the press conference yesterday, his first goal is to prevent suffering and death. we made it very clear to him that if we pull back on what we were doing and didn't extend them, there would be more avoidable suffering and avoidable death. so it's pretty clear decision on his part. >> how many convincing did it take from you? >> how much convincing? you know, interestingly, we showed him the data, he looked at the data and he got it right away. it was a pretty clear picture.
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dr. debbie birks and i leaned over the desk and said here are the data. he looked at them, understood them and shook his head and said i guess we got to do it. >> how important was it to make the case when you made it? we've been, i guess, seven days in we can't make the cure worse than the disease and aspirational goal to open by easter. so how important was it for you to go in and make that case, i guess, it was just yesterday? >> well, it was very important. from a public health standpoint, we felt strongly that it would have been the wrong decision to pull back. i mean, we are scientists, physicians, public health officials. we're not economists. we're sensitive to the idea that the economy could suffer. but it was patently obvious looking at the data that at the end of the day, if we try to push back prematurely, not only would we lose lives, but it probably would hurt the economy.
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so you would lose on double accounts. to us, there was no question what the right choice was. >> you've been in a position where you've had to talk about modeling to lay people probably more people than you like to. i know models are only based on the best assumptions. so people understand what you're saying with this 100,000 to 200,000 deaths estimate, is that even with the measures we have in place now? >> yeah. that was -- varying degrees of implementation and success of the method. i believe, looking at the dynamics now, that if we really do pull a full press on the mitigation and importantly, if we get the areas that are spiking now, new york, new orleans, maybe detroit, get them under control, but as importantly, there are a number of areas in the country that
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have relatively few cases, those are the ones that are vulnerable and dangerous to go along and then spike. so at the same time that we're concentrating on the ones that we're mitigating, the new yorks, the new orleans, you've got to look at those other areas and make sure you vigorously identify tests, concept trait, get individuals who you take out of society because they're isolating and do contact tracing. if you just look at those and say, there are very little infections in this area or that area or that area, we don't have to worry about it, you're making a big mistake because those are timbers that can turn into big fires. you got to mitigate the ones with obvious trouble but you got to stop the ones starting to spark. >> even with that, you think 100,000 deaths is a reasonable projection at this point?
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>> i think -- you know, if you look at seasonal flu, we had a bad season in 2017-18, we lost over 60,000 people just in a seasonal flu. this is clearly worse than that. so i would not be surprised. i don't want to see it. i'd like to avoid it. but i wouldn't be surprised if we saw 100,000 deaths. >> you talked about new york, new orleans, detroit, any other cities you're specifically concerned about this morning? >> well, you know, there are cities outside the new york area. the cities in new jersey for example, newark and places like that in connecticut, fairfax county, greenwich, los angeles perhaps, cities in the midwest, some of the larger cities, those are the things we get concerned about. because thus far, they seem to be doing well. but they have the potential to get into trouble. >> what evidence have you seen
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that supplies are disappearing from hospitals at unusual rates? the president said something that got a lot of people's attention that hospitals would normally order 20,000, 30,000 are ordering 200,000 to 300,000 and suggested they're walking out the back door. what evidence have you seen that the masks are walking out the back door? >> you know, i have not looked at that carefully so i really can't comment. it could be that there are many more patients there that need them and they're not walking out the door, they're actually being utilized. i don't know. that discussion came yesterday. i didn't know what was going on. i'll have to check that out later and find out what they were talking about. >> in terms of public health, one of the most important things in a public health crisis is public trust. how important is a consistent message in a public health crisis? >> it is important. that's the reason why, if you go back and take a look at the things i've said over the last
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several weeks, they're really rather consistent. almost word for word. >> right. >> sometimes as we get more cases, i get a little bit more emphatic about what we should do. that's the reason why i made a big pitch to do a couple of things over the last couple of days. >> do you feel every official speaking at a microphone has been as consistent as you have been over the last days and weeks? >> you know, not everybody is the same. people have different styles about how they communicate. >> testing right now, new york city, new york state, i should say is developing or has developed a test that can be taken with saliva and a nasal swab, how important is this to battle the coronavirus? >> you know, i think it's very important because what you want if you're going to immediately identify, isolate and contact
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trace a person so that you can quickly get them out of society and stop spreading to other people, you want a test that you know the answer right away. one of the problems with tests that you get back several days later is that you generally let that person who might actually be in infected to go back into society and inadvertently be infecting other people while you're waiting for the results of the test. if you really want to do -- what you really want to do is get the handle on those areas where they don't have a lot of infected individuals, where you want to effectively identify, isolate and contact trace. you want the results of the test in real-time. you want to know exactly what you're dealing with at the time you're dealing with it. >> in terms of the other tests on some of these drugs for treatments, can you give us an update on what you're hearing, how effective they are?
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>> well, you'll never know if a drug is really effective unless you compare it to something and that's called a randomized controlled krin cclinical trial you compare drug x and standard of care with standard of care. we have the test of a drug undergoing a randomized controlled trial. we have about 200 people in that trial. hopefully in the next few weeks to a month or so, we'll be able to get data that will give us a definitive determination as to whether or not the drug works and whether or not it saves. >> dr. fauci, just for the last few minutes you've been on with me, i've been looking at my twitter account and email. there's so many people writing in grateful for the work you're doing but frankly, concerned with how hard you're working. you know, you're talking yourself hoarse like many of us do on tv.
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how are you doing through all of this in this hard work and what do you want to tell the american people about your own health and well-bei well-being? >> well, i'm fine. i'm healthy. i'm tired. i don't get nearly enough sleep as i should. this is not my regular voice. i'm constantly briefing people, talking, testifying, doing interviews. it's a long day. i mean, i work pretty much hours anyway. but i'm getting only four or five hours of sleep, mostly four hours of sleep at night. there's a lot of things to do. when you're working in the white house, it's a busy place. >> we're grateful for the work you're doing, dr. fauci. we're grateful for your consistent message. thank you for coming on and telling us the things you have seen and what you need to see going forward. appreciate it, sir. >> my pleasure. new day continues right now. the decision to extend this
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mitigation process until the end of april, i think, was a wise and prudent decision. >> anywhere in the model between 80,000 and 160,000, maybe even 200,000 people succumbing this this, that's with mitigation. >> new york is going to have what it needs and no one is going to deprive new york of what it needs. >> we're bidding against one another. in some cases the federal government is taking priority. that's a source of frustration. >> every day the charge nurses are given personal protective equipment to last throughout the day. i did not get one today because we're out. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." the united states will remain shut at least through april. president trump reversed course, extended social distancing guidelines through the end of that month. really, a change from his earlier suggestion that he


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