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ruling would matter, what kind of signal are they going to send to the public, is president trump above the law, or will they come up with a standard that frankly doesn't appear to favor him as a threshold, but as i say, runs the clock and ensures that the subpoenas are not enforced. >> joan, and carrie, thank you so much for that and our special coverage continues right now. hello, i'm kate baldwin. thank you for joining us this hour. at a moment when the most important thing in the world is containing the coronavirus, there really couldn't be anything more important than today than hearing straight from the country's top disease experts. dr. fauci, the head of the cdc, the head of the fda, the top official at hhs in charge of the testing effort all facing questions before a senate committee on the current response to the coronavirus.
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and dr. fauci offering this stark warning. >> my concern is that if states or cities or regions in their attempt understandable to get some form of normality disregard to a greater or lesser degree the check points that we put in our guidelines about when it is safe to proceed in pulling back on mitigation. because i feel if that occurs, there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you may not be able to control. which, in fact, will set you back, not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided, but could even set you back off the road to trying to get economic recovery. it would almost turn the clock back rather than going forward. >> and as you saw right there, dr. fauci and all of the witnesses even the chairman of the committee testifying and speaking and testifying remotely because they're in some form of
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quarantine after contact with covid positive staffers. that itself is a statement on the current state of the pandemic here. kaitlan collins is at the white house. it was an extraordinary hearing. dr. fauci clearly as everyone heard, not mincing words with his warning but that is not what we have been hearing from the president. >> reporter: you saw a really much more sober analysis of really the state of where the nation is right now and as far as just dealing with the pandemic and when it comes to reopening. with fauci warning about reopening too soon and prematurely and what that could look like if that does happen and the cdc director dr. robert redfield saying we're not out of the woods yet and as you watch the lawmakers get the first chance to question officials i don't think anybody has testified since fauci did in march and democrats pushed back on the president's claims about the u.s. prevailing on testing but, kate, so did republicans. you heard from lorl alexander
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who is chairing the committee talking about his concern about testing and senator mitt romney doesn't believe it is anything to brag about. so they're trying to give a much more realistic pragmatic like at what things are like right now. officials are careful to say their answers in a certain way and careful to say where they think things are and where they are going and advice they are offering to the president and saying they do not believe they have a confrontational relationship with the president, who often at times they are publicly at odds with. >> as you're mentioning mitt romney and what senators were kind of breaking from the president, this also during the hearing dr. giroir he expected that the u.s. could conduct 40 million tests a month by september and then mitt romney taking issue with not just that but the administration's record on testing to date. let me play that for folks.
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>> yesterday you celebrated that we had done more tested and more tests per capita than south korea. but you ignored the fact that they accomplished theirs at the beginning of the outbreak, while we treaded water during february and march, i find artistic record nothing to celebrate whatsoever. >> and kaitlan, again, that is not what we're hear fromming the president. >> reporter: that is interesting to hear mitt romney push back on what they said about testing and the comparison with other countries which you've seen several senators make given the tack record early on and south korea has been one of those because they're testing differently now but many health experts, kate, have said because they had such rigorous testing early on that it changed the trajectory for them. they were able to flatten the curve differently than the united states and that is why they've had a few hundred deaths and over 80,000 deaths reported here in the united states and
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dr. fauci doesn't know in that number is accurate. he thinks it is almost certainly higher than that 80,000 number which is a sober reminder of where things are right now and we're not even through this yet. >> we know some. we know a lot but we definitely don't know a lot. dr. fauci making that very clear during testimony. good to see you, kaitlan. joining me now is dr. seema yasmin and cnn analyst julia cayenne, from the department of homeland security during the obama administration. thank you for being here. doctor, your first big impression coming off of this hearing? do you have a sense that the country after watching that hearing is ready to safely up? >> so the title of the senate committee hearing was safely getting back to work and safely getting back to school. and i don't think it really answered those questions about how states should best do that and you could just hear the
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frustration in the senators' voices about senator chris murphy from connecticut was asked the cdc director clearly and directly what happened to the 17 page report that came from cdc last week that the white house seemed to have shelved. and senators were asking when and how should we reopen and when they might expect the guidance from cdc and the director gave a vague and frankly disappointing response so this hearing leaves so many questions. yes, it remind us we have 80,000 deaths and as dr. fauci said we're not out of the woods and this is not under control but that guidance for states about how best to move forward, that still hasn't happened. >> and people are searching for that at this moment. and julia, contrast all of this with the message that the president has been pushing, especially just yesterday, hitting it quote/unquote certain blue states, hitting at them for
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making no efforts in his view to open up. let me play just to remind folks what the president said yesterday. >> and the people aren't going to stand for. they want to get back. they're not going to stand for. they want our country open. i want our country open too. i want it open safely. but i want it open. >> also saying that when it comes to testing that, as he said yesterday, they met the moment and prevailed. >> so, everything that a president said was a lie. let's begin first with the people. the people, the pooling has been consistent from the beginning that americans actually are much more cautious than how trump is portraying them, from 60% to 80% of americans feel that it is too soon to go out and they're very nervous about our inability to test and trace, our failure to have treatments and the fact that the vaccine is so far away. so that is the people -- the people is donald trump. the second piece was about opening up in the commercial
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activity. what i really liked about fauci's testimony is he linked the economy with the public health needs. in other words, donald trump has been able to put camps, open up everything or shut down and everyone is unemployed. what fauci was saying was cautiously open up. because if you don't open up cautiously, which i read him to mean a lot later, he's definitely not in a hurry to open up, are your economy, governor or mayor, will be worse. so if you are thinking about this in economic terms, no country, no city has ever been vibrant, has ever been economically vibrant with a pandemic. it is just impossible. because people will die, people will be sick, people won't be able to go to work. so i like that fauci sort of put the lie to donald trump's camps. and the fact that trump speaks for the people is just not true. the polling is very, very
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consistent on this. >> and doctor, on testing, what does that statement mean, that they are expecting the country to be able to do 40 to 50 million tests a month by september. what does that mean to you. >> we've had so many promises since february that i feel many of us don't know how to interpresent that and are skeptical about whether that will materialize. we do know that since january we've done 9 million tests, last week we're doing about 260,000 tests a day and that is woefully inadequate in order to reopen the economy we need to have testing. the whole point of testing is that you could adequately separate people who are infected from people who are susceptible. and yet we need to have maybe four, five, even ten times as much tests being done in the u.s. as we're searing now and it is just amazing as a british doctor who left england to train in public health in america, because this had one of the best
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public health systems in the world and i'm baffled as to what is happened and why 103 days after the world health organization declared this an international emergency, why is the u.s. still so far behind in the most basic pandemic response stage which is testing. >> well, and to that point, julia, from a preparedness perspective, leaning on your background, when it comes to testing, there seems to be agreement, maybe not at the white house, but there would seem to be agreement within the hearing and outside of the hearing that as a country the government needs to get better at this. are you seeing any signs that they are? >> yes. so that is the good news. so in an odd way, because of the governors were left on their own, a lot of them had to invest with funds they could barely find on testing and tracing. you saw governor cuomo here on air and we had that from the beginning. it is not ideal and does not
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have any unified effort coming from the federal government so we are challenged in that regard. and this is another instance and senator romney picked up on this, we knew what was coming in january, february and march. that is when you want the testing capacity. that is what south korea did. because then you stop community spread, right. everyone has to remember we're all home and from preparedness i want to avoid this moment, this eight weeks that we've been home and the only way to have been able to do that is what the preparedness plans from, the bush administration and the obama administration were telling this administration which is identification first, social distancing to control certain pockets. we'll get better at testing, but we're sort of always three or four months too late. >> julia, dr. fauci made clear that he believes the death toll
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overall is higher than is listed right now. he said certainly it's higher. you've written quite a bit about this and why it matters so much. why. >> i appreciate that. i've been writing for the atlantic through this and one is a number matters because we'll have a sense of how bad we are. it is such a horrifying and embarrassing number, 80,000, but it is larger and the reason we need to know is because as i said the dead speak to us and emergency management and preparedness, we need to find out how and why they died. they didn't go to hospitals, were there other conditions not being addressed, were they dying of heart attacks, was it nursing homes, so we believe there is a lot more dead because of comparing the dead this month, this year compared to dead last -- in the last couple of years in the same months. so we do believe there is por dead. and we have to understand how they're dying so we could prepare for the rest of this
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pandemic and certainly the next one. we also obviously do it for the moral and religious reasons of just being able to honor those who died and died of the plague. so i really, again, appreciated fauci bringing that up. no one should be proud of 80,000 but it is not 80,000. the numbers that we're looking at now and just bracing americans for it, are well above 100,000 at this stage. and that's our own reckoning at this stage. >> juliette, dr. yasmin, stick with me and dr. fauci's warning not to be cavalier when it comes to how the virus is impacting children. also later, the supreme court hears landmark cases on the president's tax returns and financial records. what led one justice to respond, the president isn't above the law. leep. so, no more tossing and turning. because only tempur-pedic adapts and responds to your body... you get deep, uninterrupted sleep.
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welcome back. a topic that came up quite a bit during today's coronavirus hearing was how and when kids could safely head back to the school. at one point rand paul who is a physician argued that the low death rate among children from covid-19 is reason enough that they should be going back to school in the fall. dr. anthony fauci seemed to take issue with that. listen. >> with regard to goking back to school, one thing left out of that discussion is mortality. shouldn't we discuss the mortality of children is. this is for dr. fauci as well, the mortality between zero and 18 in the new york stata approaches zero. i think the one side fits all and we'll have a pandemic and
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nobody is going to go to school. >> if we think the children are immune and so again you're right in the numbers, that children in general do much, much better than adults and the elderly and particularly those with underlying conditions, but i'm very careful and hopefully humble in knowing that i don't know everything about this disease and that is why i'm very reserved in making broad predictions. >> back with me now dr. seema yasmin and julia cayenne. what throughink when you heard >> he kind of stated it as a scientific fact, once you got it you won't get covid-19 in the short-term and we don't have enough evidence to say that. but the comments about children do concern me, because how things have changed in just the past few months, early on in the pandemic the data from china led us to believe that children were
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spared from contracting the virus and now we're seeing that, yes, children might fair better overall compared to adults but they are certainly not spared. we've seen children dying in the u.s. from covid-19 and now we're seeing strange manifestations of covid-19 in children, possibly a syndrome called kawasaki disease where blood vessels get swollen and leaky and condition called multi-state inflammatory syndrome and toxic shock syndrome potentially linked to covid-19, so there are too many unknowns for us to just declare that kids are fine, we can reopen schools when we have so many questions about their role in the pandemic, how likely they are to be asymptomatic carriers and for those that get sick how do we make sure they don't develop the severe manifestations of the disease. >> and that i was talking to a pediatric care specialist who said with these complications that seem to be showing up, presenting themselves with the
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disease, there are long-term impacts that they will need to track and follow as these children hopefully recover from covid past that because of this massive inflammatory disorder popping up in more children. so there is more concern to that. so juliette, beyond that back and forth, between fauci and rand paul, did you hear clear guidance on what school in the fall should look like and i'm talking from kindergarten through college. because it was all asked. >> right. so i have a middle school and a high school and a college student. so i'm hearing it from all ends because it is different, residential is different than younger kids. so, no, there was no specific guidance. we had reason to believe that the cdc has gone through the exercise, we should assume they have because that is what they're planning on doing, the white house has not allowed it to be release because they don't want to own this huge challenge, it is a challenge because no one wants kids sick. but this is another instance where the white house presents everything as binary and senator
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rand fell into that. there will be opening up of educational programs, they're absolutely has to be because working parents actually have to start working again, too. our productivity may be down these days, but so how that works is going to be different. calendars may change. you're hearing about colleges and universities having one-third, one-third and one-third and probably do more in terms of online learning, they'll be classrooms that will be different in public schools where my kids are, they're talking about getting rid of some classes to be able to have a teacher in the hallway because the teacher is vulnerable and have the students inside. so there is a lot of creativity, no one size fits all but the idea that you just open up without taking into account what doctor was saying or some of the other medical concerns is just absolutely, it is so dangerous for our children. so there will be opening up but
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the word means something different depending on the jurisdiction and the age of the children. >> and without buy in from the federal government or the cdc at least saying we trust this, it will mean safety for your children, how could any parent feel comfortable with what is being presented? that is a much longer conversation to be happening. >> that is the confident -- the confidence gap. >> it gets to everything. doctor, thank you so much, and juliette, thank you as well. just coming into cnn right now, while 48 states will be partially open by this weekend, a very different announcement is coming in in southern california. the l.a. times is reporting los angeles count could be extending the stay-at-home orders through midsummer. let's get to nick watt in california for us with more on this. nick, bring everybody up to speed. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, as you mentioned, the l.a. times is reporting that during a board of supervisors meeting in los angeles county, the director of public health said that l.a.
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county will very likely extend the stay-at-home for another three months, through the end of july. this will be a big shock for many people here in california who have been getting used to the gradual easing of restrictions since this past friday but you know, the governor has made it very clear that rural and urban areas in this state will and can be treated differently. l.a. county has been very cautious, they're going to open the beaches here tomorrow. but nobody is lying in the sand. people are wearing masks and unless they're in the water. l.a. county which has seen a relatively high number of cases is being cautious but this extending stay for another three months is a surprise. >> and there is also a development in the standoff between tesla owner elon musk and california officials about reopening one of his plants. what is happening now? >> reporter: yeah, well, elon
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musk has made no secret that he wants to ramp up to full production again at this tesla in alameda county and only allowed minimal operations right now. the president said california should let mim go aled and do it. and elon musk said if you want to arrest anybody, make it just me. he said all of this on twitter. so he's not hiding the fact that they're reopening but the county in an email just sent to tesla said if normal operations with r back they are violating the order and they do need to shut down. but the tone makes it very clear that they don't want a confrontation, they don't want to actually have to go in there and enforce this. they are at this point politely asking tesla to back down. kate. >> nick, thanks so much. still ahead for us, the supreme court as we've never heard it before. oral arguments airing live to the public in historic cases dealing with, among other
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circumstances. for the first time ever the public was able to listen in live as the justices heard arguments via conference call due to the pandemic. the cases were some of the most high-profile hitting at the heart of presidential powers putting it simply should congress has have access to the president's tax returns and how does presidential immunity extend to a criminal investigation. the president's attorney pushing hard today that the president should be granted what he called quote, temporary immunity. listen. >> you're asking for broader immunity than anyone else gets. >> well we're asking for a temporary -- >> time for a brief answer, council. >> i will. we're asking for temporary presidential immunity. >> you've said that a number of times and made the point which we have made that president's can't be treated just like an ordinary citizen but it is also true and indeed a fundamental precept of our constitutional order that a president isn't above the law. >> joining me now cnn chief
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legal analyst jeffrey toobin and elie honig. jeff, you think the most important moment during questioning was straight off the top why. >> because chief justice roberts who will be a swing vote here, he seemed to recognize that the president could not be completely immune from any sort of scrutiny from congress or in the second case from a subpoena from the new york city -- the manhattan district attorney. but the question is what is the standard? what kind of subpoenas are allowed? can the congress, can the district attorney go into anything or what are the limits and that balance of rejecting the absolute claim from the -- from the president's lawyers, but not giving carte blanche to the prosecutors, that is the balance i think they'll try to
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strike here. >> does one case impact the other, are the outcomes int intertwined. >> there is a relationship. but the cases are about much more than donald trump's tax returns. this is a constitutional balance of powers showdown and we heard it today. is the president meaningfully accountable to congress and to prosecutors and i think i agree with jeffrey, it is interesting hearing the president's lawyers try to defend this extreme position, in that clip we heard when jay sekulow is talking about temporary immunity, he means while in office of the president. and that is an extreme position and you could hear the justices sort of hammering on that and the lawyers struggling to defend it. >> jeffrey, the fact that -- go ahead. >> if i could just -- well aside from the principle and the legal principles are very important, this is about the tax returns. donald trump has been talking about releasing his tax returns since he declared for president in 2015. he has hid these tax returns unlike every presidential
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candidate since the 1970s for now five years. and the question may be answered by this case, what's in the tax returns. and it may be answered quickly. now it may not be answered quickly. but the idea that the tax returns are now this close to being released is actually a very significant thing independent of the legal arguments here. >> and something that you know that donald trump carries very deeply about, how it all went today. and the fact, jeffrey, that this case, which is so consequential, but that the oral arguments are happening in a way that they have never have before. what impact do you think -- do you think the impact of just the structure, the justices are not able to talk to each other and they're not able to see each other and the way it had to be conducted do you think it impacts it? >> to be honest, i don't think it will matter that much in the outcome. as someone who followed the
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supreme court for a long time, it is a very weird experience to hear the court this way. just one oddity is i think people know that clarence thomas in the courtroom goes years without answering questions. in the telephone arguments, where the justices go one at a time, the chief justice calls on them one at a time, clearance thomas is asking lots of questions. i don't know why such a big distinction between telephone arguments and real life arguments but it is just a big difference. does that matter in the outcome? i sort of doubt it. but it is still just interesting given how the court has evolved. >> we realized that he has stage fright in front of other people. maybe that is simply what it is, maybe the premise of another book, jeffrey toobin. let me ask you, elliott, if you could quickly give me a sense after listening to oral arguments today, do you have a sense of which way the justices are leaning,elly, first to you.
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>> well what i noticed is the four traditionally liberal justices ginsburg and sote ore mayor and kagen were committed and did not seem to give any ground, they seemed set on holding up the subpoenas. the four conservative justices did seem to be a little bit uneasy with some of the positions that were being taken and i think chief justice roberts is trying to find middle ground. i think both cases are going to come out against the president, i think especially involving the manhattan d.a., i think we could see an 8190 upholding that against the president. >> it may be something where they send the case back to the lower courts. even if trump loses, and in that case that might mean a delay until after the election. and even if trump loses the case, but he manages to keep the tax returns secret until after the election, that's a win. >> yeah, guys great to see you.
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let's check in withu our reporters around the country. >> i'm shimon prokupecz in new york when the governor said that parts of the state in new york will be able to reopen on friday. this is in the northern region in upstate new york. they will be allowed to partially reopen. it is a pivotal week for the state as parts of it get ready to reopen. as for new york city, that is going to remain closed. the mayor saying it is probably going to be june at the earlier before the city partially reopens and then another sign that it is going to take some time for things to get back to normal, broadway, the theaters announced today that they won't reopen until at least september 6th. >> reporter: i'm rosa flores in miami where the magical world of disney is showing signs of reopening. according to the disney world website theme parts and hotels
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are currently closed and a reopening date has not been set yet. but they are accepting reservations beginning july 1st, 2020. guests are being given the option to modify booking with no change or cancelation fees if disney reopens before or after that date. disney springs and outdoor shopping mall and dining in lake buena vista, florida, will begin a phased reopening on may 20th. the shutdown of disney world has left 43,000 employees furloughed since april 19th. >> thank you so much. this is just in from capitol hill. nancy pelosi moments ago announcing another coronavirus relief bill. manu raju tracking this and he's joining me now. what do you hear about this one. >> reporter: this is a significant package. it actually amounted a largest rescue package in american history. if it were to be enacted. this roughly $3 trillion package
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deals with everything from more direct assistance to americans up to $1,200 for individuals as well as money for small businesses providing nearly a trillion dollars to state and local governments as well as $75 billion for additional testing and $200 billion for so-called hazard pay. the democrats are pushing forward for a vote as soon as friday in the house. that is their plan. republicans are not yet on board. and when nancy pelosi just talked about this a moment ago she made the pitch for why republicans an democrats shouldn't wait. >> there are those that said let's just pause. for the family that are suffering, the hunger or the rent and the bills don't take a pause or the hardship of losing a loved one doesn't take a pause. >> reporter: now this is roughly $3 trillion measure is on the heels of nearly $3 trillion in several packages that have already been enacted this spring which amounted to the most
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aggressive intervention by washington into the economy since the great depression. and there are concerns about what to do next. republicans, i could tell you, kate, are just not there yet. they want to assess how this money is going. mitch mcconnell told me yesterday there is no urgency to act right now until they assess how that money is being spent before they decide on the next step. >> thank you. and next hour nancy pelosi will be on "the lead" with jake tapper. coming up still for us. will the boys of summer be back on the field by july. the news coming from major league baseball next. to bank safely from home. deposit a check with your phone or tablet. check balances, pay bills, transfer money and more. send money to people you know and trust with zelle. stay safe. stay home.
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could major league baseball be back this summer? that seems to be under negotiation. team owners are meeting today with the players association in new york to discuss the possibility of starting the season as early as july 4. even if both sides agree, make no mistake, this will be a season like no other, starting with teams that will be likely of course playing in empty stadiums. joining me right now, award winning sportscaster bob costas, now with mlb network. good to see you, bob, thank you. the details from "the new york times," 82-game regular season, no fans, roster could be expanded to 50 players, both leagues would have designated hitters. what do you think of it? >> well, it makes sense. they're getting in about half a season, and it's all geographically consolidated. they would expand the playoffs from ten teams to 14. they might have to play playoff games in neutral sites depending
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on how deep in the season they go. when you talk about a 50-man roster, that's 50 eligible players. they have to have in effect a taxi squad when they have to make roster moves and players are injured and whatnot. before we can get to all of that, they've got to negotiate with the players association. here's the stumbling block. the players agreed when the season was first suspended to prorate salaries. so they're playing roughly half a season. a player was making $2 million by contract, he had agreed to accept $1 million. but now the owners are saying with some justification that their revenues are going to be drastically down, not half of what they once were, even if they recoup a large part of the television revenues, 40% of baseball's revenues come from gate receipts, parking, concessions and whatnot and for some teams it's more than that. the st. louis cardinals, for
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example, a medium sized market, they always draw more than 3 million fans a year. half their total revenues come from the ballpark itself. so their contention is, look, let's share the revenues. they have proposed to split whatever revenues come in in this strange season, 50/50 with the players. the players appear to be 100% resistant to that. so until they can hammer that out, all of this is just theoretical. they've got a plan for resuming, but if the players and owners can't negotiate some sort of settlement, it's not going to happen. >> bob, it can be two different things, safety of players and everyone around, and economics. if this comes down to -- i don't know how to put this other than this way -- a bunch of really wealthy people fighting with a bunch of other really wealthy people about getting back to the field and it has less to do with safety for everyone around, how is that going to sit with fans? >> well, the safety of the players will be a concern for
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the major league baseball players association, not just the players, all the ancillary people, even without fans, you have a large contingent of people who are not in uniform as players. so that's agagoing to be a consideration. cincinnati might be different from atlanta which might be different from philadelphia or new york. all of this has to be taken under consideration. the public relations issue which you outlined has happened before. when they lost a world series in the mid-'90s, that was the hue and cry, i'm never going back to baseball ever again, billionaires fighting with millionaires. then only months after 9/11, many of us believed the reason they were able the two sides were able to reach agreement, which had historically been tough adversaries, is that they understood the public reaction pos post-9/11 to wealthy, privileged people fighting over money.
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it just doesn't play well. perhaps cooler heads will prevail and they'll settle in the middle. >> you've been kind of pro let's throw in some changes now that things are different. but do you think this, if it goes through, will present a competitive advantage for one team or another? the national league doesn't have designated hitters and such. >> yeah, they don't want to run the risk of injuries to pitchers because they'll have a very abbreviated spring training which will take place close to summertime. but that might disadvantage american league teams and interleague games, it certainly would. but there's nothing you can do about it. i misspoke, it would disadvantage national league teams, actually. it depends on. i'm now confusing myself, that's how confusing, kate. >> that's not what i'm ever here to do. >> it happens to all of us at one time or another. i think the biggest competitive
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advantage would be to teams that have the greatest organizational depth. if you're going to have 50 eligible players, depth in your pitching staff because it's such an unusual season, the advantage would be there. there's also the question of randomness. baseball plays out over a long season. last year the nationals won the world series but they started something like 19-32. now that would be more than half of an 82-game schedule. so there could be some randomness. but as i've said, i think players and everyone involved, and especially fans, will accept that this is a unique situation. so now is the time to try every trial balloon. some of them seem wacky to some of us. but throw everything against the wall. you want a pitch with nobody on base, you want electronic balls and strikes called and take the home plate umpire out of that, they want to put guys on second base to start an extra inning to get to a conclusion more quickly, whatever it might be,
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short of running the bases backwards, i think they should throw everything against the wall and see if it sticks to see what they will do under normal conditions next year. >> good to see you, bob, thank you. i'm kate bolduan. water. water. we'll be right back. save hundreds on your wireless bill
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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. breaking news, los angeles county's stay-at-home orders will, quote, with all certainty, be extended for the next three months, that's through july, according to the los angeles county public health director. "the los angeles times" just broke the story. it's an attempt to continue to slow the spread of coronavirus there. this all comes as the nation's top infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci issued a stark warning for the nation earlier today. the united states does not have, he says, coronavirus under control. >> i think we're going in the right direction. but the right direction does not mean we have by any means total control of this outbreak. >> dr. fauci also emphasizing the, quote, consequences could be really serious, he said, if states and cities open up before meeting the guidelines laid out by the white house task force, which is precisely what appears