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special report "china's deadly secret" this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. our special coverage continues now with kate baldwin. >> hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining us this hour. any minute now, president trump will be speaking from the white house. he is holding a cabinet meeting and for the first time in recent history that meeting is taking place in the east room a move to allow for more social distancing. cameras will be rude in and that typically means as you well know the president will have something to say. what could the message be? it looks like we just got a preview and it is what he has been doing the fast few weeks as the death toll climbs, defiance and distraction, quite frankly. the list is long. let us start with hydroxychloroquine. he says he is taking it, though medical experts have warned against using it outside of a hospital or clinical trial. here is what he just said on capitol hill.
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>> it doesn't hurt people. it's been out on the market for 60, 65 years for malaria and lupus and other things. i think it gives you an additional level of safety. >> it doesn't hurt people, he says. he should really ask his fda about that because they have warned about it. another example? testing. >> it could be the testing, frankly, is overrated? maybe it is overrated. we have more cases than anybody in the world. but why? because we do more testing. >> but health experts including in his white house task force, continue to insist much more testing is required to contain the virus. not overrated at all. you can also look to his refusal to wear a face mask, including today to visit republicans on capitol hill. or his insistence he is going to continue shaking hands. if you're left wondering what the motivation of all of this could be, since it all goes against what medical experts are
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advising the rest of the country do, listen to what the president said yesterday when he first acknowledged he is taking hydroxychloroquine. >> i was just waiting to see you recall eyes light up when i said this! but, you know, when i announced this. but i've taken it for about a week and a half now. and i'm still here. >> waiting for your eyes to light up. the big reveal. but one thing he can't deflect no matter what is the crisis the country is facing in terms of public health and the economy. the virus has now killed more than 91,000 americans. more than 1.5 million people in the country have been infected. and more than 36.5 million people have filed for unemployment benefits since march. the numbers continue to astound. let's get to it, though. kaitlian collins is live at the white house. what struck you what the president said on capitol hill and we are likely to hear more of it in a few minutes.
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>> yeah. we haven't really seen him go at length today as he was answering questions. so he could do that in this cabinet meeting here today. a cabinet meeting he has not had in quite sometime. on the hill he was defending his use of hydroxychloroquine when he was asked by our colleague, you're not a doctor. some doctors have recommended against taking this if you have coronavirus. so why is the president promoting it? he acknowledged, of course, he is not but he said he works with doctors and he downplayed some of those studies including veterans affairs one which showed can have harmful side effects if coronavirus patients do take hydroxychloroquine. that comes after we learned that vice president, himself, said he is not taking it. of course, we know the president started tag it after one of his staffers tested positive and so did one of the vice president's. but he says his doctor has not recommended he start taking hydroxychloroquine. this comes after late last night the president posted a question
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on twitter he will cut off the world health organization until major changes are made but he is hesitant what changes he wants to see and at times he has criticized the w.h.o. for praising china and too slow to respond to the criticism outbreak and criticisms the president has also faced. >> a lot his cabinet can and is focused on and see if updates coming from the cabinet meeting how they are responding to this crisis in the country. stick around for us. thank you so much. joining me now, me is dr. steven who is from the heart and thoracic institute and a doctor epidemiology of harvard school of public health. thank you both for joining me. you have some real concerns about the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus right now, as studies are still under way. why are you so concerned coming from just to reinforce the point
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with everyone at home, you're a cardiologist. >> i am a cardiologist. i do have concerns. this drug hydroxychloroquine has been associated with a very serious heart rhythm disturbance known as ventricular tachycardia and can be lethal. in the absence of benefits that is harm is quite serious. what people may mimic the behavior of the president and get their hands on the drug and people who, obviously, shouldn't be taking it and have this very serious adverse effect. so, you know, it is really important that people not take this to the point where they actually take the drug. let's get the research done and if there is a benefit, great. i'm very dubious about whether there will be a benefit, but certainly in the absence of a benefit, people should not be taking this drug. >> dr. nissan, one more for you.
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the president has often talked about -- he did it again today actually in defending using hydroxychloroquine against fda guidelines saying it's been around a long time and used to treat other illnesses so why not? he said today even it doesn't hurt people. as a cardiologist, what do you say to a patient who would say the very same to you in your office? >> first of all, these drugs have been around a while but they are used to treat serious disorders like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. not used very much any more for pro provo lax sis for malaria. if you have a established indication for the drug, but even there, physicians are very, very careful. just a few weeks ago, i treated a patient with rheumatoid arthritis that came into the coronary care unit on hydroxychloroquine and had a series of arrhythmias and
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required eight or ten shocks. that patient was very lucky to survive the episode. i don't want that to happen to people who just casually take the drug because they hear from the president that it's really okay to do that. >> dr. mena, from a public health standpoint, clear and consistent messaging is a cornerstone of it. more broadly, what is the impact of the president of the united states saying essentially it's fine and i'm fine and what is he doing is endorsing this essentially while the fda says the opposite. >> i think two parts to that that. one of the major features is can any sort of confusion in terms of public health messaging can be extraordinary definitely. and when there is confusion in the public, then it essentially -- average person
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sort of free rein, if you will, to make whatever decision they want to make based on whichever data they want to choose to look at. but we know that some of that data is actually backed by evidence and some of it is just words from the president that may not be backed by evidence. but when there is confusion and discord in terms of how the messages that the public is getting, it leads to just the increased divisions -- a good thing when we have division like this when we are dealing with a crisis and particularly when that division is centered around best practices to control the outbreak and to treat people in the hospital. >> we can all acknowledge these are two very important. you both are getting calls as we are on air which is part of the fun of getting on tv in error of coronavirus so we will continue on. dr. mina, another thing i want to ask about as we were standing by the president who is meeting
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with his cabinet. is anybody wearing a mask? the model that the white house has been leaning on in terms of death projections they just revised their death projection down because what they found the positive impact that mask wearing is improving to have in limiting the spread in populations. as the crisis continues, how fundamental are masks in the fight and what does it mean, again, if the president won't wear one? >> masks are absolutely essential when it comes to respiratory viruses. there was confusion early on, again -- there was confusing public health messages saying that masks weren't necessary, for example, among people who were not ill. but that messaging was really about with an effort to preserve the masks that did exist and make sure that there were sufficient numbers for health care workers. there has never been a question in the public health world of
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whether or not masks can -- whether their absolutely benefit is there and it absolutely it. it prevents the virus and the droplets that carry the virus from moving beyond the masks and on to other people. it my not always be perfect but serm any reduction in transmission gives huge gains to prevent spread. so, again, with the president choosing to not wear a mask, that is sending a very clear message to anyone who wants to receive it as such that it's okay to not wear a mask. that just goes against everything we know about this virus and its respiratory transmission route. the presence of masks will, undoubtedly, prevent transmission from spreading so quickly. i think a lot of us wish that the president would send a consistent message that is consistent with the data that we know, with the science, and with the public health authorities
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and his own administration, that mask wearing is important to protect public health. >> i'm constantly confounded with the push-back to wearing a mask. it's not challenging and it's not hard and it's there to help your neighbor and your family and those around you. you would expect them to do the same for you. i'm constantly confounded by that, this element of it. doctors, thank you very much. you now may return your phone calls. >> thank you. >> the pressurery secretary and federal reserve chairman were in the hot seat today facing questions from senators over the trillions of dollars that congress approved for stimulus and economic relief for small businesses and state and local governments and hundreds of billions of dollars in loans that are still sitting in the bank. cnn's congressional correspondent phil mattingly is in massachusetts and he joins us. and julie chatterly is with me as well. the speed they push them through is amazing. why is some of the money just
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sitting there? >> reporter: i think it's a good context. you think about it. these programs that venhaven't launched yesterday almost half a trillion dollars and back to 2008. it's huge. a reason it hasn't been deployed yet. today was a good good example why. the federal reserve is moving itself into the central bank never been before and setting your lending facilities to help businesses are united states taxpayer dollars serving as a baseline for those programs and not up and running yet. the treasury secretary tried to address that with this. >> of the 500 billion, approximately 50 billion was in direct lending programs from the treasury and 450 billion was available for the 13 three facilities. i've allocated about half of that. let me be clear. i am prepared to allocate the rest of that. the only reason i have not allocated it fully is we are
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just starting to get these facilities up and running. we want to have a better idea as to which one of the facilities needs more capital. >> reporter: and, kate, i think that is the issue right now. when the fed is warneds warndero unchartered territory. i noted how the hearing was kind of a good example of the dilemma the fed faces. a push and pull here of they want to get the money out as fast as they can and they want to make the programs as expansive as they can to help the economy and want restrictions so some companies who shouldn't be getting the loans shouldn't get them he and executives getting large payouts aren't able to take advantage of it so you see why this is complicated and this piece of the 2.2 trillion is slower than
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the others to roll out but the expectations are in the next several weeks this money should go out the door, a crucial component of those 2 trillion dollars laid out so far. >> julia, how critical is this money for what the economy is going to be looking like in the second half of the year? >> it's absolutely pivotal, kate. i couldn't agree more with phil in the scale of the challenge that we are facing in terms of the economy and the devastation created here, but also the scale of the challenge in just getting money out to people. less than half of the 2.9 trillion dollars that has been agreed here is even in the system and getting out to people into businesses. remember that small businesses and medium-sized businesses represent over 80% of employment in the united states. if you don't get this money out to these businesses, then america can't get back to work. we can't get the millions of people that have been claiming for first-time benefits and beyond back into the system.
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nemp mi never mind the health challenges so we have to find that balance between restricting it and elizabeth warren coming in with criticism today. if you restrict things too much -- that is one of the criticisms of the 600 billion dollar lending program. you never get the money out there in the first place. these lawmakers are in a really tough position here. this challenge is so much bigger than politics and that was my big takeaway from today. just get the money out there. >> absolutely. but, again, it always will involve politics and that is why it then gets complicated even more. phil, julia, thanks. appreciate it. coming up for us, while some colleges are already announcing they are going online really only in the fall, the university of notre dame announcing that it will bring students back to campus. but with some very big changes. i'm going to talk to notre dame's president next. later, the white house releases new guidelines for nursing homes. but do nursing homes have what they need to meet those
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guidelines? we are going to talk to the ceo of one of the country's largest nursing home chains.
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universities across the country are beginning to announce their plans for the fall semester and it's clear college is going to look very different this year. take the university of notre dame announcing it will begin in person classes two weeks early and cancel fall break in order to end the semester before thanksgiving. much earlier than usual. all in an effort to protect people who many fear is a second wave of the virus this winter. joining me is notre dame's president father john jenkins. thank you, father, for being here. what brought you to this decision?
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>> well, a lot of talking among ourselves, our faculty here and also with medical experts to find the best way to bring our students back. you know, we deeply believe in the residential experience here. it is part of the education we provide and it helps our students grow as human beings, mind, body, and spirit. it's important to us. so we just wanted to find a way we do that and do it in a safe way and we feel this is an important step to take. >> yeah. a big part of the plan, as i saw, as it was laid out, comprehensive testing. how is that going to work, father? do you have the capability to, right now, test all 12,000 some students and plus then staff? >> not right now. that is why we announced it now, kate. we have three months before those students are here. we have to work hard in these months so we don't have it now, but we will come august. and be ready to go. it's an evolving field as tests come up. we want a very efficient and
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reliable test so we are looking at those and have them when the students are ready to come back. >> we know that even that element of efficient and reliable testing is changing day-by-day as we are seeing. i saw in the statement from the school it also mentions there will than conveyor teen and isolation protocols as well. it struck me this is so implicated what schools need to consider every aspect of it. what does that look like for notre dame? are you setting aside dorm torres for students if quarantine is needed? >> dorm torres ae tore -- dormis are full and we sound a place off campus to send students who have tested positive and to keep the other students safe. obviously, those people come in close contact, we will have to test them to keep the whole student body safe but we think we can do it. it's a big challenge but we will work hard and think we can do
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it. >> at this point and in this moment as you look ahead, do you just assume that you will see covid cases pop up on campus in the fall? >> yes. you know, i think it's -- completely free. we will be as safe as we possibly can. we will address it quickly. you know, wherever these kids are. i know 18 to 22-year-old young people. whether on the campus they will congregate and put themselves at a bit of risk. our challenge is keep monitoring them and if they get sick to take care of them and we feel we can get through the semester and allow them to learn in a safe environment. >> point of personal privilege. i grew up about 45 minutes from notre dame. what does this mean for football season? >> oh, great question. i'm afraid i don't have an answer to that. our first priority is the education of our students. but we are working on that. we are talking with other schools. it's still not clear what the football season will look like.
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i hope it happens. but i just can't say anything definitive right now. >> that is understandable. just had to ask. let's talk about january really quickly. what is the marker, father, that you are looking at that you need to see before you bring students back then in january after you've ended the semester? >> yeah. well, obviously, everyone is hoping for a vaccine. that will be kind of in a way, the bullet in effective reliable available vaccine. but we are not going to assume that. and this is sort of the new normal, kate. we have to be able to deal with this in a was whey where we can educate our students and make the campus environment saving and healthy. if january looks just like it does now, then we are going to deal with it. we are going to deal with whatever we have to. but you just have to, as you well know, just monitor an evolving situation all the time and adapt as needed. >> yeah. that is really all -- only thing you can do.
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you've been president of notre dame for 15 years now. is this the toughest set of decisions that you've faced? >> well, you know, it's certainly the most complex set of decisions. universities is like a massive organization and a massive battleship and you're trying to move a battleship and it is very complicated to do that. you know, there are always painful decisions, difficult decisions, but this is certainly the most complex. but, you know, in a certain way, i find i don't know if you do the hardships bring out the best in people a little bit. is there a little moi more cooperation and collaboration and a sense of working together. i see that now' i think we will have that in the fall. you know, there is a lot of good in association with the challenges. >> a lot of many good years to be had at notre dame. good to see you, father. thank you. >> absolutely. delight talking to you, kate. come see us sometime. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> okay. still ahead, we are getting new details in on the virus
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stricken aircraft carrier. "uss roosevelt" yes. much more after the break. (announcer) in this world where people are staying at home,
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a top navy official telling cnn the "uss theodore roosevelt" will return to see the end of the week despite a major coronavirus outbreak we have talked so much on the aircraft carrier that sickened a thousand sailors weeks ago. let me bring in barbara starr, cnn pentagon reporter who is standing by. >> the "theodore roeodore roose been tied up in guam. they had to switch out and get a healthy crew back aboard the ship. what has happened now is the navy has decided the ship will go out to sea sometime this week. they have enough people healthy on board now that they can perform the essential functions. everything ranging from the nuclear power plant to serving
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meals. the aircraft on board have to fly off and get recertified somewhere else for operations because they have been out of the picture for so long. but what this tells us is that on this ship, they really are hoping, one and for all, they have a handle on. they have had this last than-minute wrinkle. 14 sailors who had been testing negative after being positive. once again, positive. we talk to the navy's top surgeon general about this earlier today. he says he feels very strongly that the entire crew, the ship is medically clear and medically able to go out to sea. what they are beginning to learn is interesting for all of us. that you can retest positive, but it doesn't mean that you have the live virus. you may have some very small remnants of the virus, but you wouldn't necessarily reinfect anybody. you can essentially go back to work. an important piece of information for everybody if
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that medical research really pans out as we watch this very stricken aircraft carrier get itself final back out to sea this week. >> absolutely. you know how closely they are watching those navy officers and that ship now after everything that went down. barbara, thank you. great stuff. >> thank you. in to cnn, sources are telling cnn president trump went after the cdc, his own cdc behind closed doors during his lunch with senate republicans just a little while ago. what are your sources telling you the president said? >> reporter: this is the luncheon the president just left on capitol hill. we are hearing he was very critical of the cdc during that lunch. he praised jared kushner and the team he brought on to help with the coronavirus response efforts but he was very critical of the cdc, talked about how he believed they botched testing at the beginning of this, delaying that testing rollout. kate, that is a criticism we
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heard from the president's top trade adviser peter navarro on the sunday when he said the cdc let the country down when it came to testing and talking about that contamination happening that sled to sloppy lab practices that led to inconclusive results that delayed testing. that has caused friction in the white house. he talked about that incident but said he did not believe it had a big effect on testing because it was result within a few weeks. some people say the weeks were critical and the cdc were too slow there. this is notable. we should say the cdc director robbed redfield was here at the white house yesterday for a coronavirus meeting. he was there. you saw photos of him but, so far, we have learned that, yes, the president was pretty critical of the cdc to these republican senators as they were talking about the coronavirus
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response overall. >> even though he needs the cdc in this public health emergency. seems like yet another chapter in deflect and distract. thank you for standing by to see if anything comes of the cabinet meeting at the white house. she is standing by for that. a nursing home report have borne the brunt of this pandemic from the very start. what it means for nursing staff and residents and family members who want to visit their loved ones. ww gives me everything i need to get into a healthy routine. the app makes everything so easy it really works i am proof! i lost 85 pounds! we can do this! ww. join today with the ww triple play!
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officially released new guidance for nursing homes. included in the guidelines is testing all residents and staff and continue to test employees weekly. facilities can only start allowing visitors in when they have shown no new cases of coronavirus for 28 days. there is also new data out showing out tragically nursing homes have been hit throughout this crisis. the kaiser family foundation reporting there have been more than 30,000 coronavirus deaths at long-term care facilities across 35 states. that is one-third of all of the total u.s. death toll from the coronavirus. just tragic. joining me right now is george haggart, one of the largest nursing home centers across the state operating in 38 states across the country. thank you for being here.
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>> thank you for having us. >> what do you think of these new remgs frcommendations from white house? what do they mean for your facilities? >> clearly, opening up the nursing home industry is very different than opening up the economy. we are caring for and serving the most frail of our population that are extremely vulnerable to this virus. so from our perspective, the guidance is very prudent guidance from cms and very cautious, making sure that we have adequate access to testing, to protective equipment, and to staffing, and clearly, as you stated earlier, the absence of the virus for a period of time so we can ensure the safety of our residents. >> do you have the capability of doing that level of testing today? >> kate, we really don't. testing has been the key issue that we have been talking about for a couple of months since this pandemic started.
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you know, testing for the nursing home industry, unlike hospitals, many of whom have their own labs. we must rely on third-party regional or national labs to provide our testing. and at this point in time, both accuracy of testing supplies, as well as the capacity to test and turn around the results in the time frames we need has been a challenge. in certain states, it's been handled very, very well. i would point to massachusetts, rhode island, and west virginia to name a few who got out ahead of this, and we are seeing very good results from pro active facility-wide testing of residents and staff. but that testing ability is not consistent across all states across all markets. >> that is the thing. it's one thing to put our guidance and it may be good guidance but if you can't get there to get the testing done, guidance means bunk when it comes down to it if the federal
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government can't get to a place of helping getting those tests out there. what about the recommendation for allowing visitors back in? this is something so many families are curious about. even with the requirement of 28 days without a new case before opening up, do you think you're ready for that? >> kate, i'll be very honest. our advice will be very, very strong to be, you know, safety as first precaution here. give you a personal anecdote. we just lost the founder of genesis a couple of week ago to the virus. i had to recommend very strongly to his wife of 50 years not to go in and visit him before he passed away in a nursing home that he not only used to own, but also operate. so it comes close to home. we have lost our own employees. every death is catastrophic to
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the loved ones of that patient in the nursing home. we will recommend extreme, extreme caution before we open up our nursing homes to visitation. >> i'm so sorry for your loss and for the entire genesis family for that loss. not only of the founder, but also for all of the employees that are putting their lives on the line when they want to care for the most vulnerable and so. many. the families are so thankful for their work and what they do on a daily basis when they can't be there. the numbers, they just hurt to even say. 30,000 of the now 90,000 deaths are linked to nursing homes. at this point -- i know this is a complicated question and tough -- can you say with confidence, mr. hager, that a nursing home is the safest place for the elderly in the era of the coronavirus? >> i think by its nature, nursing home, because it is a congregate setting, limits the ability to isolate anyone
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effectively. we have learned a tremendous amount for these last couple of months. we have learned better isolation protocols. we can quarantine new admissions. we have greats access to testing even though it is still not adequate and greater access to protective equipment. but just the congregation of that many people in a very confined space in a nursing home, with the amount of traffic. you know, 100 to 200 employees coming in and out of the facility every day and coming and going home to their families. residents and patients going out of the nursing center for life saving medical procedures. even new admissions from hospitals. what we found in research that has been conducted by both harvard and brown is it's the amount of -- it's the existence and the prevalence of the virus in the area around the nursing home that is most -- that correlates to the greatest
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degree, the exposure in a nursing home, itself. so i can't say it's the safest. i can say it's a lot safer than it was at the beginning of the pandemic and we are doing our best to eliminate any future negative outcome in the nursing homes that we operate. >> thank you for your time, mr. hager and thank you for trying to keep your employees and all of the residents of your facilities safe. thank you. >> kate, thank you very much. >> thank you. we will continue to pound this drum about getting testing to nursing homes. it is beyond ridiculous at this point. they need the tests. coming up for us a group of restaurant owners went to the white house to make the case their industry needs more hope. do they think the president heard them and does he get it? we will talk to one restaurant ownership that was in the room next. and responds to your body... you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, all tempur-pedic mattresses are on sale!
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it is an industry that's been economically decimated by the coronavirus outbreak. the nation's restaurants and bars forced to shut their doors and trying to figure out how to survive as they reopen. yesterday president trump met with a group of independent restaurant owners. they are asking for help. did the president hear them? are they going to get what they need? joining me right now, someone who was in that meeting, sean feeney, owner of a restaurant here in new york and a member of a coalition of restaurant owners and chefs who have come together to try to save the industry in the era of coronavirus. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> at one point the president said "we've saved and will continue to save the restaurant
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business." do you think anybody should be saying the restaurant industry has been saved at this point? >> it needs to be saved. i think if you look at the numbers, over one in four americans unemployed last month were restaurant workers. if you look at the domino effect of this grim existence for the hospitality industry, there's a $1 trillion economy of farmers, fishers, and others who we support, that are at risk. the impact of this pandemic is huge. the prolonged economic shutdown plus now a looming weak economy. it creates challenges for our industry specifically and the derivatives of it. and it needs to be met with policies that will inject liquidity, that will inject investment, hiring consumption back into our economy. i think that before we talk about the actual existence of our profession and our industry, it's important to talk about the health and safety of our people,
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because at the end of the day, that, that is our secret ingredient. >> that's exactly right. do you think the white house got it? you had basically all the big hitters in the meeting with you. did they get you what you need? >> i think yesterday our goal was pretty specific. we communicated that ppe is currently not working for restaurants. we all agreed that it wasn't perfect. it was an eight-week solution for an over 12-month problem. and just with a few simple changes, it can help us reopen our doors when it's safe to, and start reemploying some of those 11 million people that are out of work from our industry when our businesses can support them. and i think that they heard that loud and clear. it was encouraging to hear the president look at the secretary of treasury and ask him can we change it. and he said yes, we can change it. and now it's imperative because a lot of people have these loans
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and the clock is ticking. and it's imperative that they act quickly to make these fictiofixes to ppe so we can open our doors when it's safe to, so we can support the people who are out of work currently. i think it was also important that they not only understood that and want to change that quickly. it was important that we communicated and they agreed to continue this conversation of a restaurant stabilization fund. because what happens with the ppe is it's a very short term solution. it's a bridge to get us open. >> i've been wondering, can restaurants sustain, if they've got a limit of 25 to 30% capacity, can a restaurant survive? >> it's a nonstarter. you can't do that. you cannot open a business with 25 to 50% capacity. it's impossible. unfortunately we have to be very
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innovative in order to survive. and the good thing about the restaurant industry, the hospitality industry, is the people that make it up are resilient, they're accepting, they are compassionate, and they're optimistic. and as optimistic as i am and i think every day is a good day, none are easy, and in order for us to open our businesses, we have to make sure we create spaces that are safe for everyone to come back to work. and we have to confidently say that to people and believe that. and once we then do open, we have to make sure the business is healthy. >> that's right. and, i mean, there's so many steps to go. but it's great to see, glad you had the meeting. we'll see what happens next. good to see you, sean. >> thank you very much. thank you all for joining me. we'll be right back. i got an oriole here.
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