tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN May 26, 2020 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
hi there, i'm brooke baldwin, thank you for being with me. you're watching cnn continuing coverage of the coronavirus outbreak. here we are five months after the first case of covid-19 was confirmed in the united states and more than 1.5 million names have been added to a list that continues to grow. and that list includes another staggering number. 100,000, the number of people who have died. it is a threshold that is unthinkable, one the nation is set to cross any day now. so we begin with tom foreman. and tom, we're talking about the pictures of people going out and going to the beach and ignoring the one thing from the white house social distancing so tell me what you're seeing in various states and whose affected the most. >> what i'm seeing most of all
is a map that day by day is not showing the fundamental thing that health officials said we needed to see, a real trend down that is sustained. look at the latest map here. if y if you look at the southeast united states, all of the red, the tan color is holding steady, that whole region is having a now. if you look at new cases in the past week versus the previous week. we have some green across the middle part of the country there. but what we've seen time and again is a state looks good for a few days and numbers move down and then they shoot right back up. what we have not seen, and day after day looking at these maps, which you won't see, is a sustained partern of two-thirds, three quarters of the country getting in the green zone and staying there. and that is what has to happen. and people are acting it is over now because it is tired of it. whether you are tired of it or
not doesn't mean it is over. we have to look at who is dying from this. have we approached this dreadful threshold of 100,000 deaths out there. if you look at it, the people dying from this, the people paying the most to what are doing with this disease are your parents and your grandparents. that is the group experiencing the greatest number of fatalities. look at that, 58% of the fatalities are over the age of 75. if you add in the people who are over the age of retirement, around 65 somewhere in there, now pushing 80%. and, yes, younger people, the numbers fall way off. especially once you go below the age of 45. then you get way down. very few people dying in that group. many of those, the people you see in the photos. but i want you to look at this comparison. look who is getting sick. those younger people are actually getting this virus much more than the older people are.
the older people, many of whom have existing conditions, heart and lung conditions, diabetes, they are dying from it at much greater numbers but younger people are getting it at higher numbers. younger people are getting pounded by getting this and this, for some people, may come and go. you may get it and may feel better and move on. but it is not clear yet, as early as this disease is in our knowledge, what the lasting effects are. there are people having organ issues, people having continued breathing issues and blood clots, we just do not know right now if some of the young people who survive will be fully healthy in five months, five years, ten years or if there is a lingering effect. so look at numbers and what the numbers really say, brooke, is that we're still, i'm sad to say, early in this process, as much as all of us wish we were not. >> i know.
and we'll come back with those numbers and talk to the doctor again just underscoring 74% of the cases ages 18 to 64, that is a wake-up call. tom foreman, thank you. let's go to georgia. the governor grew praise as other business reopened and there it expired for most in georgia and now a month later what do the numbers tell us about the spread of coronavirus in that state. let's go to my colleague nick valencia in my home town of atlanta, georgia. and nick, what are you finding? >> reporter: well the government, when he announced the opening, he maude people nervous including those officials at cdc warning of a second or perhaps a third wave. but the governor maintained that the state was ready to handle the spread of the virus. we crunched the numbers and put that theory to the test.
looking at scenes like this, you may any georgia never closed. cnn took a closer look at the data. what we found is that at least so far the numbers haven't changed much. in the months since georgia's governor eased restrictions in a big way, the rate of new cases hasn't declined but it hasn't skyrocketed either, despite dire predictions. looking at data from johns hopkins between april 24th and may 24th, it does show slightly higher numbers over the past five days or so, but zooming out, though it goes up an down, the rate of new daily cases in georgia has been mostly flat from april 24th, the day of the first opening to may 24th, averaging in the 600 to 700 range. the rate of new deaths per day also steady. >> i'm proud of what we accomplished over the last several weeks but we cannot rest on our laurels. we need to further expand access to testing and we need to
encourage georgians to make it a priority. >> reporter: in fact, testing is the one thing going way up in georgia. georgia's ratd of new tests added per day has quadruples in that period, from 5,000 to 10,000 and a plat rate of new cases seems like good news. and the rate of positive test results remains about 5%. it was in the range of 15% to 20% a month ago. also good news. in atlanta, the populated city, seeing that some were willing to take the risk, data or not. nightclubs were packed. in a reference to the atlanta mayor, the host of this pool party seemingly admitting to the risk writing on instagram, i'm sorry miss bottoms. >> what is your assessment of how the state is doing. >> my perspective is the state is doing okay. >> reporter: global health and
professor carlos del rio said the impact of the shelter-in-place order decreased the number of deaths. >> having a healthy kpli is about providing people jobs and opportunity and it is about health. so unemployment is causes disease and poverty so we have to find a balance. but we need to do it carefully and be careful not to be irresponsible. >> reporter: and epidemiologists like del rio said how this will impact the numbers will come in two weeks. he's nervous after seeing the images that we saw this weekend. brooke. >> nick valencia, thank you. and now dr. celine gowner host from the podcast epidemic. nice to see you again. i want to go back to it was fascinating looking at what is happening. in georgia. but back to what tom foreman was talking about, how many people,
how old folks are that had coronavirus and the number that jumped out, majority of the cases. >> 74% are between the ages of 18 and 64. and your takeaway on the break down of the age groups and if you are, say, an 18-year-old wanting to get a hair cut versus a 65-year-old, should you be taking different precautions. >> i think it is important to distinguish here, brooke, between frequency and severity. it is most frequent to see the cases falling under among young adults between the ages of 18 and 65 but we are definitely seeing the worst cases among the elderly and very severe cases, though rare, of the disease among children. now i think it is important also to not just think about this in terms of age but underlying risk factors. and those risk factors are high blood pressure, cardio vascular
disease and it depends on the age. >> if you are younger and think iing could go to pool and i could hang out with my friends or going to the restaurant, should you have that mindset going out or is the point that so many younger people are getting it as well, it should just be a gut check. >> it depeends on if you are worrying about yourself or your parents or grandparents. but we have a obesity rate of 40% among younger people so they may be at risk because of underlying health conditions as well. >> what about, we're on the precipice of summer, slap on some sunscreen and cannonball and that is all we think about. but now what is your advice for parents taking kids to the pool? >> well i think the good news is pool water itself is quite safe. the reason we put chlorine in the water is because of another
epidemic, polio back in the '40s and '50s. so the water is safe. it is about what you are doing when you are outside of the pool, breathing on each other and talking to each other and that is where it is important to continue wearing masks and maintaining that six feet distance from other people. >> should kids be able to go to summer camp. >> that is a tough one. i have friends asking me that same question, making plans for their kids. and frankly i don't see that being very feasible. you're basically putting a bunch of kids together in a place where their hygienic habits and living in dormitory type of conditions and no, sir about the risk to their their own health but what thur bringing back to their parents and grandparents at the end of camp. and lastly at the workplace. i've heard conversations related
to when i stop working from home and i do go back in the office, what will b the biggest change or changes be. what should i anticipate. what do you think, dr. gowner? >> i think the biggest changes are people wearing masks at work. you're going to see some degree of social distancing at work. so you may not be sitting in conference rooms for meetings, sitting down to lunch with your colleagues in the cafeteria. they'll be more attention to public spaces like your elevator buttons and your doors an your countertops and the bathroom. so there is definitely heightened awareness of how to prevent transmission. >> and the learning curve that we'll go through when folks come back into the office. doctor, thank you so much. so helpful. meantime a company racing to produce a vaccine by the end of the year reports it is closer to that goal but there are hurdles. we'll talk with the head of research and development. and health officials in north carolina are speaking out after president trump threatened to pull the republican national convention from the state.
remember it is supposed to be in the end of august. demanding a guarantee, the president is, that the event could be held at full capacity. and broadway, is broadway officials here saying that they hope that audiences could return, can people sit next to one another. she said yes and that could happen as early as january. we'll talk about that with a pair of broadway stars. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be right back. - [announcer] at custom ink we believe community
baldwin. the world is looking for answers when it comes to coronavirus and now another company issenering this phase in hopes of developing a vaccine. nova vax is now the tenth company to start human trials of a vaccine and there are more than 100 trials all around the world. nova vax hopes to have results sometime in july and move on to a larger trial sometime after that. so with me now, the president of research and development for nova vax, dr. gregory glenn. welcome, sir. thank you for coming on. and listen, full transparency, i talked to a lot of people about trials on vaccines and we hear about the time frame, and president trump said there will be a vaccine by the end of the year, which i know is mighty fast compared to previous years and previous vaccines. a spokesperson for the company tells cnn you'll have 100 millions of your vaccine ready by then. just tell me, straight, where
are you on this and is that timeline truly feasible? >> yeah, those are pretty big claims. i think we're very credible group to make them. so i've been in vaccine development for 28 years. so let's just talk about the biology first because i think it is important, if you understand how i vaccine might work i think you'll see why our technology is so good. >> sure. >> and we have evidence for that. so the virus has a little spike on the end of it. it has a crown of spikes. those spikes bind to a human cell receptor like a spacecraft docking, very tight and that is what makes it so infectious. if you could block that somehow and we're making a spike protein just itself as a protein, just like in nature, that makes a strong immune response and we know that our immune response we induce from animal studies block
that binding erin burnetthat ev. in my field if you neutralize the antibody that are high everyone presumes that is protective and you could compare it to people with infection and convalescence and so we've provided data on that topic to seppi. seppi is a gates founded welcome trust founded very big organization committed to getting a pandemic vaccine out the door. they invested $400 million in us just a couple of weeks ago and the goal there, from their standpoint, is to in parallel scale up the manufacturing while we do the testing. and so i think what we're saying is very credible. our technology just recently was evaluated successfully in a phase three trial. the flu vaccine is not working well. we have a better flu vaccine. so we have a mature technology. we have a big, credible funder behind us. i think we could deliver a good
vaccine, i'm very optimistic it will work, that is what we need today. i was listening to your show earlier. this is really going to change everything to have a good vaccine. >> it will change everything. and let me also say how grateful i am to you for of course doing this work 28 years and counting and of course to have such big believers behind you, i mean $400 million, that is a huge amount of money. that said, your company is one of about ten companies worldwide who have now entered this human trial portion of vaccine testing and for people listening to us and wondering, okay, it is great to think of the fact that this would be sped up but would that be done at the risk of one's safety. what would you say to that person? >> that is a really good -- that is a very good point. so we are a mature technology. that is a very similar type of protein and formulation was just tested in a large trial of humans in this year in the u.s.
the safety looks very much like a licensed vaccine. so all vaccines will have some side effects. what you really want to make sure is there is nothing long-term. and by that i mean like a week. so people could have a sore arm for a day, feel a little off, i think our vaccine compared to some of the others that are become reported is going to have a very good safety protocol. so that is the sort of important thing. and will it work? well, that is what we have a strong case. our vaccine is making very high neutralizing antibodies and that is important for protection. so we are looking to accelerate things. the real controllers there are going to be the fda, the regulators, the kind of messages they're giving out is their very willing to work with speed. so could we have a vaccine in clear? so we start the phase one trial. we see the results in july. we have written the -- under
protocol, very strictly monitoring, safety and the immune responses. we'll then look for efficacy in the fall. if we see efficacy in the right setting we to potentially deploy our vaccine at the end of the year. that is for a vaccine, the speed of light. we began working on this at the end of january but i think it is feasible. it is not good to say two or three years from now we will have a vaccine and we need one soon. and i do think that it will work. vaccines historically are miracles. >> here is hoping you and i have a conversation again in the fall and you say, brooke, great news efficacy check, we're on this and this is something that could help so many people around this country. dr. gregory glenn, thank you very much for coming on and my best of luck to you. thank you. >> look forward to that conversation. >> you got it. president trump is now mocking joe biden for doing exactly what health officials
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with fewer than 100 days until the republican national convention, north carolina governor roy cooper is responding to the increased pressure coming in from president trump. the president is threatening to move the event out of charlotte if the governor doesn't allow it to be held at full capacity despite concerns about covid. so listen to what the governor just said about that threat. >> i'm not surprised by anything that i see on twitter. i will say that it's okay for political conventions to be political. but pandemic response cannot be. we want to see from the rnc what
they're plans are and we have asked them to submit those plans to our public health officials. they have someone hired to advise them as well. and we look forward to the back and forth on that. we'd like to reach a resolution that everybody can be reasonable about that puts public health, safety, the science and the facts as the number one thing we're trying to do here. >> so let's go straight to charlotte city council member malcolm graham. it is a pleasure to see you again. thank you. >> glad to be here, brooke. >> so you just heard the governor there. your reaction to what he is saying about the convention and if this does happen in your city, at the end of the month of august, what would it look like? >> well, i think what you heard the governor say is really reasonable, right. we want to follow the science and the data to lead us to our
decision. honestly the governor has a big role in that decision. we want to balance the need to reopen in a safe way to ensure that we provide economic opportunities for our businesses here locally but at same time balance that against the public health and making sure that our fronline workers and those in our city are safe and secure once the convention comes and leaves. >> back to your point about this. this is in charlotte. we can't even ballpark how many -- i don't know, hundreds of thousands, beyond that, dollars could really use to use your phrase a shot in the arm. so what do you say to businesses in charlotte
that think, man, i really hope we host this thing. >> there is a lot of conversations going on to balance just that. we clearly understand that hotels and restaurants want to get open. that they want to get people back to work. but they also clearly understand that we have to balance that
against the public -- so it is a balancing act and we're going to follow the science and the data, the governor obviously will have an executive order that illustrates how we can cooperate. and i think he's right, i'm looking forward also to receiving some information from the rnc in terms of the scale and the scope of the convention as we move forward. certainly the convention as it was planned two years ago cannot occur in august of 2020. so i think we're all working together. we all want the same thing. but obviously the scale and the scope of the convention will look a little differently. >> sure. this is my final question just as a city leader and value your response on face masks. face masks are becoming this political flash point. who is wearing one, who isn't wearing one. and his or her political affiliation. and just to be clear, 40% of republicans favor wearing masks. yet you see the president of the
united states re-tweeting a tweet that mocked joe biden. in fact he was wearing a mask when he was with his wife at that memorial day event, not to mention the president doesn't wear masks. and my question to you is, what message is the president sending here? >> well, again, it is a counter message. he wants to reopen the country. we all do. so let's follow the rules. let's wear a mask, let's wash our hands. let's not touch our face. let's follow governor's orders. he gave all of the governors the authority, quote/unquote to open up their space the way they believe is necessary to keep public health in mind so let's follow the rules and as we follow the rules and get testing, tracing and tracking we could open up the country so follow the rules and that is what i tell my constituents. play by the rules an follow the rules and if we do that we could open up and all come together as one. >> malcolm graham, thank you very much.
be well. >> thank you. just a reminder to all of you, former vice president joe biden spoke with dana bash to weigh in on coronavirus and the pollicization of masks. plus as the 2020 race continues what joe biden is looking for in a running mate. tune into the situation room live today at 5:00 for the interview with dana. do we know how many americans have been lost to covid-19? we'll talk to a doctor that said her own mother's death is not being counted and she's not the only one. this moment.
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in just a matter of days the death toll from coronavirus could exceed 100,000. a milestone that is likely lower than the total. data suggests there are more deaths than just what we have counted so far, possibly going back even months before the country was even aware there was an outbreak. with me now dr. elizabeth rosenthal from kaiser health network and also lost her mom in a last couple of months. so i'm so sorry about the loss of your mother, but what a powerful opinion piece you wrote and thank you very much for coming on. let me dive in. you write in this op-ed in "the new york times" that your mother's death wasn't counted as a covid-19 death. and i'm just wondering why wasn't it counted? >> well, my mother had
clinically had covid. she had a cough, by lateral infiltrated on her chest x-ray and fever and suspected koe coindividual. and she wasn't short of breath and she didn't need to go to the hospital and that is where testing is done, right. that is why she never got the test at a hospital. her doctor didn't need to test her because she was treated as a presumptive covid case. she got some azithro mayan and she ultimately died and it was no poin to test her because even though the facilities they did a fantastic job, they don't want to be known as a covid outbreak and the problem is we talk about it at a government and personal
level and state level as good numbers or bad numbers. and numbers are not good or bad. they're just data we need to respond intelligently to this pandemic. >> let me jump in on that point. because, yes, of course, some of the nursing homes don't want to be that nursing home with all of those deaths. of course, when you look at the top of the government and the white house, they certainly don't want high numbers because news flash, this is an election year. but you also argue that states also want to have this incentive to keep their numbers low. and so explain to us what is in it for the states if they don't report the numbers accurately? >> well, you know the cdc has recommended that states have 14 days of decreasing cases in order to start opening businesses. and what is best way to have decreasing cases that you're absolutely sure of. it's not to look.
and the thing about testing, for any disease and particularly in one that doesn't show symptoms, if you don't look you don't find. and if you don't look aggressively and have a standard for looking, you don't find. so i think we really don't know what to make of the data and so we don't know how to respond. >> doctor rosen shall, at the end of the day, as people listen to this conversation, what are the ricks in not having an accurate counts of deaths? >> well, you know, knowing whether my mother had positive covid or not wouldn't have impacted her care but it would impact our knowledge about how it spreads in an assisted living community. how many people actually have it in these communities. i've gotten notes since i wrote the column from people who said everyone in my mom's memory care unit got. everyone. and 14 people died. but that is not being reported now because some places are
testing, some are not and we tend to celebrate the ones who say we have no covid but is the reason because they have no covid or because they're not looking. and that is the real tragedy here. >> thank you for speaking up. not only on behalf of your mom but so many others out there. dr. elizabeth rosen shall, the last line from your piece, my mom had a love and meaningful life and may her death give meaning as well. thank you. >> thank you. plans are made to raise the curtains again on broadway in new york city but what would that look like. i'll ask two actors what would take to make them feel safe on stage. d take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some-rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief.
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♪ why are there so many songs about rainbows ♪ and what's on the other side ♪ >> goosebumps. that was megan hilty performing a song for hospital works in new york city on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic. she's one of many performers stuck in limbo as broad is closed but this afternoon there is hope that broadway could be back in business. and joining me now, it is nice to talk to you both. thank you so much for coming on. >> it is nice to be with you. thanks for having us. >> thank you. >> i know it is your dream, it is your super power, your resting state, right, to be on stage, to be performing, to sharing your passion with those of us in the audience and right
now you're not able to and i'm curious, first of all, what's that like, to both of you, megan, first to you. >> well it is devastating. i mean, not only is it my life's work and my dream and it's how a feed my or one of our concerts, i make my living off of performing in front of people and it is not just monetary but that is who i so it's -- i want to preface it by saying, i have my health, my family, we all have our health, so it's not devastating in those terms, but it's hard to put your life and your work on hold. but at least we have our health. >> amen for that. jordan, same question, how is it going for you? >> yeah, it's heartbreaking to
see the community on pause, to hear from friends who are trying to, you know, think about where they're living, where they're moving, how they'll pay their bills. every is connected. we're trained to perform and theater is a place that yu go to in a time like this and the fact that that's not available is sad and heartbreaking. >> let me inject hopefully a little bit of positivity. the president of the broadway league, charlotte st. martin, says she's hopeful theaters will reopen january 2021. she's hoping full crowds, folks sitting next to one another, obviously people wearing masks. i imagine if you're onstage, you love a full house. but if audience members are forced to sit feet apart, if they're forced to wear masks, what will that be like for you
onstage as a performer, jordan? >> it's definitely going to be a new paradigm. theater is a contact sport in general. and onstage and sometimes in the audience. so it's going to be -- it's going to take some getting used to. but i think it's important to put safety first, to think about the safety of the actors onstage, and the safety of the audience at large. but as soon as we get the green light from the experts, from the health and safety experts and our unions and the powers that be, i think everyone in the community is going to be really eager to get back to doing what they love and sharing their passion with audiences. >> in the meantime, let's talk about the clear day project. jordan, you have pulled together, we saw the video of megan singing, you have pulled together some of the best and brightest of your broadway friends, like this. here is a little bit more.
♪ where you started, the fact that you're alive is a miracle ♪ ♪ that you're alive, that would be enough ♪ ♪ smile when your art heart is aching, smile even though it's breaking ♪ ♪ when there are clouds in the sky ♪ ♪ you'll hear the people sing, lost in the valley of the night ♪ ♪ it is the music of the people who are climbing to the height ♪ >> i miss the theater, i could weep listening to all of this. jordan, what is the clear day project? >> so the clear day project is a living theater project that i started with my friends, fellow actors, carnegie mellon alums. and the project focuses on groups particularly affected by the pandemic, whether that's
hospital workers, pharmacists, grocery store employees, the disabled community. we're trying to use art to spread some joy, raise awareness, and potentially raise funds for those groups. >> how has megan and jordan, how has the joy been received? i read it wasthe front line workers at mt. sinai. what would you want to say to them now? >> personally, i owe them my life. about a year ago at this time i underwent two heart surgeries at mt. sinai, one of which was a 13-hour open heart procedure that fixed two aortic aneurysms. i wanted to jump in so i reached out to the team at mt. sinai and said, what can i do, you know, you were so helpful to me and my
family and i owe you so much. so for us and for the performing community at large to give back to the front lines and those who are doing so much every day, on a normal day they're doing so much, let alone what they're going through now, i think is what the arts are for, and it's what the so special, that even though actors are also going through their own struggle, when it comes to groups like front line hospital workers, they wanted to jump in and get involved. >> megan, quickly, just close us out, final thought. >> i can only imagine that day when we all get to go back into the theaters again together. one thing that this whole time has really taught me is how to be grateful for every little thing that i have. and the things that i possibly
took for granted before, just like walking into a theater before, it was as normal as everything. now, the next time i step into a theater, just like every person in the crew, we're going to be so excited. i'm so excited for the day that we can all get back together again. >> and we can't wait to be there right there with you. if you want more information, it's thecleardayproject.org. thank you both. here's to gratitude. traders are allowed back on the floor of the new york stock exchange, that's next. so, no more tossing and turning. because only tempur-pedic adapts and responds to your body... ...so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, all tempur-pedic mattresses are on sale!
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breaking news now regarding that man who died after a confrontation with police in minneapolis. the mayor announced the four officers involved in the death are now former employees, his words. the video did not record what led up to the arrest and did not show parts of the arrest that the police described as showing resistance to the police. >> i can't breathe. >> get in the car, man.
>> i can't move. >> if you don't get in the car -- >> mama! mama! >> again, they are now former employees. tough to watch. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being here. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we are now mourning close to 100,000 people in the united states, lost to coronavirus. right now the death toll stands at 98,636, almost 100,000 in a span of just a few months. a loss comparable numerically to more than 41 pearl harbor attacks or 33 september 11th terrorist attacks, a number frankly difficult to comprehend, one hard to grasp by those fortunate enough to remain