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members of law enforcement saying the white house is working on an executive order on policing standards. also ignoring the national outpouring of anger in systemic racism in policing. warning against labeling people as racists. >> we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice wherever they appear. but we'll make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racists or bigots. >> three key law enforcement officials in the dallas region, all of whom are black, were not invited to the roundtable. and also tonight, general mark milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, apologizing for appearing in a photo op with the president last week. after peaceful protesters were forcefully removed from lafayette square in front of the white house. let's discuss now. cnn white house correspondent john harwood is here and former
federal prosecutor laura coates. and president of the -- former president, i should say, of the national organization of black law executives, cedric alexander. i clearly have the "a" team with me and i'm very excited about that. so thank you for joining. john, let's start with you because you were told the president's events in dallas today, event, i should say, was to discuss justice disparities. but he didn't really do that. >> no, he didn't. and what he did was show us that the sentiments that most americans are expressing now, growing numbers of americans are expressing, that we need to take real action to address the inequities that have been made plain. we've held up a mirror, as mitch landrieu said in the last hour, held up a mirror to america, want to act on it. those are feelings the president of the united states simply does not share. he is stuck in a mental space of racial conflict.
that is what he has known throughout his life, as a businessman, as a politician. and so he was celebrating the forceful putdown of dissent today in that roundtable. that's what he thinks white people in authority should do. he believes that, and many republicans agree with him, that racism is really in contemporary america about the false accusations of racism against white people. there was a pew poll last year that showed that republicans were more likely to say whites faced a lot of racism than blacks. that is not a formula for action on this problem, and the president is demonstrating his isolation. >> yeah. among other things. cedric, let me bring you in because why do you think that these -- the three top -- these three top law enforcement officials who are all black, right, all three of them, why -- why weren't they invited to the president's event? >> well, that's certainly the
$50,000 question if you're going to have an event to talk about the issues at hand in which he brought up. there, three excellent law enforcement persons. i know one of them. chief renee hall. she's very, very capable and out standing chief. doing an incredible job there in dallas. she would have been able to give him a lot of insight into what the challenges are around what she does, as it relates to law enforcement and public safety, so he missed a great opportunity there. i don't know how you do that, but he certainly missed a great opportunity. and more importantly, don, the country missed a great opportunity to hear from the three of those law enforcement leaders there in metroplex. >> so, laura coates, this president keeps praising the police, calling those. who use excessive force bad apples. this is what fox news said about george floyd's death. here it is.
>> the sad thing is that they are very professional, but when you see an event like that with the more than eight minutes of horror, that's eight minutes really of horror, it's a disgrace, and then people start saying, well, are all police like that? they don't know, maybe they don't think about it that much. it doesn't make any difference. the fact is they start saying, well, police are like that. police aren't like that. >> i should have said this is what the president said to fox news. clarify that. is he minimizing what we saw in that video and so many other videos we have seen including the videos of how the police respond to many of these protests? >> well, yes. any time somebody is trying to be dismissive of what is a systemic problem as anomalies or one-offs really is belying the facts and the data. more importantly, if he continues to dismiss it, be dismissive of it, any other entity, any other field, would
allow the so-called bad apples or not to punish those who are acting in a way that is antithetical to our laws. it's an odd thing for the executive branch of government to say here, and remember, this goes down to a basic law of -- rule of civics here. i mean, under his umbrella, the department of justice, are prosecutors whose job it is to actually prosecute those who violate the law, not because every human being or every american person is a bad person but because we anticipate and foresee somebody breaking our social contract. and so no other field, don, do we ever say because there are some who engage in bad behavior, or a percentage who do, we should dismiss it as anomalies. if we did, we wouldn't have a justice department. >> right. >> or any prosecutor doing any sort of prosecution. >> i'm so glad you said that because it's true. listen, i think police officers, obviously, they have a very
tough job, but day after day, i've been seeing people saying, you know, you need to praise police officers and so on and so forth. we need to respect the law. don't get me wrong. but i don't know of any other profession that comes to work every day expecting to be praised all the time because i receive, i'm sure most people on their job, receive more criticism than praise. that's just how it goes. that's life. that's life in the lodge, as we say. john, the president says he is finalizing an executive order on policing standards. is the white house offering any details about what this is going to entail, what's going to be in this? >> no, some hints about data collection and standards and guidelines, but when you have the fundamental impulses of the president that don't go toward acting on this problem, that don't go toward recognizing this problem, that's what that comment about chauvin saying, well, people then say all police are like that.
of course, all police are not like that, but as laura was just saying, you need rules and laws to regulate people's conduct so that you have a system in place to address people who go out of line. he is minimally interested in that. there will be something, but i think the most important action is going to come from what republican senators agree to do. they're obviously feeling pressure. don't know if that will be sufficient pressure to get them to act. we've seen in past crises about, say, gun safety measures after mass shootings that that impetus fades rather quickly, but what republican senators agree to, how far they're willing to go, will probably dictate what gets through the congress, what the president will sign. >> all right. i can't wait until social distancing is over so i get to see you guys in person, especially laura. we miss you. here in the studio. >> i miss you guys, too. i'm from a distance. hello. love you. >> we love you, too. we'll see you all soon. thank you. thank you very much. don't let anybody tell you
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wearing masks, less social distancing, so on and so forth, but coronavirus cases are on the rise in 20 states tonight. that includes florida, where over a thousand people a day have been testing positive. a top infectious disease expert in the state is warning that tear gas at recent protests may have exacerbated the situation. more than 113,000 people have died in this country from coronavirus. and as cnn's erica hill reports, a new forecast is predicting it's going to get worse. >> reporter: as americans embrace summer, health experts are focused on disturbing new data trends. >> somehow, as a country, we have decided that hundreds of thousands of americans dying from this virus is okay. and that is unbelievable to me. >> reporter: new modeling forecasts nearly 170,000 covid-19-related deaths in the u.s. by october 1st. >> we had a huge spike in hospitalizations in our city yesterday.
>> reporter: texas, one of at least a dozen states seeing a spike in coronavirus-related hospitalizations. >> we opened too much too early and so our hospitals are really struggling. >> reporter: nearly 80% of arizona's icu beds are now in use. >> i think that a critical shortage of icu beds is absolutely the nightmare scenario. that was the whole reason we were emphasizing about flattening the curve. >> reporter: in some of the first states to re-open, the curve is not flattening. florida still posting more than a thousand new cases a day. in south carolina daily counts have been rising over the past two weeks. >> i am more concerned about covid-19 in south carolina than i have ever been before. >> reporter: much of the west and south also reporting an uptick. nashville is now delaying its next phase of re-opening in response to a rise in new cases. >> if we handle them well, we could be okay. if not, then we really have a significant problem. >> reporter: iowa's iconic state
fair has been postponed for the first time since world war ii. no butter cows and no campaigning. the coachella and stagecoach festivals in southern california canceled for 2020. new research from the uk boosting the case for wearing a mask. noting widespread use could help avoid a second wave. >> it is consistent with several other studies which essentially show if you got the majority of people wearing masks, the virus really has no place to go. >> reporter: in missouri two hairstylists who worked with 140 clients will symptomatic did not infect them. everyone wore masks. health officials now taking a closer look. and in chicago a successful double lung transplant for a woman in her 20s who spent six weeks on a ventilator battling the virus. >> yesterday, she smiled and told me just one sentence. she said, doc, thank you for not giving up on me. >> reporter: a bit of hope in uncertain times.
erica hill, cnn, new york. >> all right. as always, erica, thank you very much. i want to bring in now mark mcclellan, he is the former fda commissioner and director of the duke margolis center for health policy. appreciate you joining us. it's -- >> good to be with you. >> it's a little scary, right, because we don't know. the top infectious disease expert, dr. tom inglesby is saying we need to be ready for a rise of coronavirus cases of the week of mass protests. what do you think? how bad could it get? >> don, we're seeing a rise in cases already in many states as your reporters just pointed out. and i am concerned. i think people should be concerned, we're having spread of the virus in communities all across the country. i think the good news is we know a lot about how to contain that spread with masks, with some respect for distancing, with not staying too close to too many people for too long. we can make a difference in these curves. >> so, as i mentioned earlier,
florida is seeing an uptick in cases and there's a concern that tear gas being used at protests, that that's exacerbating the problem. how dangerous is a combination of tear gas and covid-19? >> well, anything that causes people to cough, that gets more of those droplets in the air, especially if there are lots of people close together, is a risk. and that does go along with -- >> when you get the tear gas, you take the mask off so you can get air. >> yeah. >> and you cough. sorry. go on. >> no, that's right. and we'll know, don, in the coming days just how much of an impact that's had. for the people who did protest, it's important for them to watch their symptoms. get testing. testing is a lot more available than it used to be. to think about isolation if they have any symptoms at all to keep this -- keep the further spread contained. very important reasons for protesting but also very important reasons to contain the further spread of the coronavirus. >> you know, dr. mcclellan, the director of harvard's institute of health is predicting another
100,000 deaths in the u.s. by september. the university of washington model is predicting another 50,000 to 60,000 deaths by october 1st. these are staggering numbers. should we -- >> they are. >> we should be in a better place right now to handle this virus. what's going on? >> well, there are further steps we can take now, don. we're not seeing explosive growth in cases like we saw in some parts of the country back in the spring. the steps that people are taking, the businesses are taking, can make a difference. so, if we take some further steps like paying attention to masks, like paying attention to distancing, like staying home if you have symptoms, those things can slow this -- slow the curves and prevent those deaths in the future. this is not a done deal. it really depends on what we do from here. >> yeah. so let's talk about texas because houston-area officials say they're getting close to reimposing a stay-at-home order. cases are rising there. is that where the rest of the country may be heading if we don't do what you said and try to ward this off?
>> don, this is becoming a regional set of outbreaks. so, once you start to have spread in the community, it becomes harder to stop and it's important to remember when you see hospitalizations going up, that's a big lag behind the actual transmission of the virus. ten days or more. so it's important to take steps like slowing down re-opening if those surges are starting to happen and that's increasingly something we need to watch for at the regional level. in every city, every region, around the country. >> oh, man. well, let's -- let's hope and pray. thank you. >> let's hope. and let's -- we can change this. people -- there are steps, we understand well now, to do. >> i don't want to sound like, you know, the prayers go out, you know, we always say when something happens, right, thoughts and prayers. if we're safe and do it smartly. we need to be smart about this. people need to protect themselves. >> that's right. >> that's what we need to do. thank you, doctor, appreciate it.
>> thank you. big-name athletes and entertainers are teaming up to help protect african-americans' voting rights. three of them join me next. okay? we have stephen jackson. we have bun b. we have kendrick perkins. after this. crafting lasting fragrances begins in nature. air wick scented oils are infused with natural essential oils for fragrance day after day,up to 60 days air wick scented oils. connect to nature.
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entertainers banding together to harness that energy. led by lebron james, the group which is called more than a vote will focus on two areas, registering new voters and fighting voter suppression. particularly in the black community. joining me now is stephen jackson, as you know, he's a former nba player. also a friend of george floyd. rapper, bun b. and kendrick perkins. also a former nba player. all three are from the houston area. and working are lebron on the more than vote project. more than a vote project. gentlemen, thank you. i really appreciate you joining us and especially for what you do and how you're using your platform and harnessing all of this. kendrick, i'm going to start you. there's never been an organization like this for you to work with. what is your end goal here? is it november of 2020? >> well, don, first of all, i'm a huge supporter of you and your show, but, don, to be honest, we as african-americans, we're tired and we've had enough.
we're tired of unarmed african-americans being murdered by police officers. we're tired of unarmed african-americans losing their lives because of the color of their skin. i mean, can we change racism overnight? no. racism has been around for 400 years and probably is going to be around for the next 400 years. what we can change is the system, and my brother, one of the most powerful, iconic, people in the world, lebron james, came up with a brilliant master plan. a power plan. and part of that plan was to get popular entertainers with power, popular athletes with power, and to join forces so that we could be powerful together. and with that being said, with all of us joining forces and coming hand in hand, now we have
created, you know, a powerful movement and we called it, you know, "more than a vote." and more than a vote, yes, we're reaching out to the african-american community to encourage them to go out and vote and we're also educating african-american community to bring awareness to, you know -- >> to issues. >> yeah, to issues and to restrictions that we have been dealing with for over the last however many years. >> right. >> so, you know, this is a special thing and i think with us all joining together as one, it's very powerful because, you know, it's the difference between being popular and powerful. powerful moves the needle. we're just trying to reach out to the african-american community and educate them and i just want to applaud my brothers on here, stephen jackson, we're
all from the same area. >> kendrick. >> standing on the front line. >> i love your passion, but you got to let these brothers talk, too, because -- i love your passion. i agree with what you said. the power in numbers. and sticking together. i'm so happy to see people doing this, standing up, using their platform. using their voice. any influence that they have. stephen, today you led a march to the minneapolis district attorney's office to demand convictions for the four officers involved in george floyd's death. here you are tonight to advocate for african-american voters. is this all connected for you? >> yeah, i mean, it's just a role that fell in my lap, don. just to give you a shout-out just like kendrick. you know i'm a big fan of you, too. yeah, just something that fell in my lap, you know. i wish i didn't see my brother get murdered for the world to see, you know, by racist cops. me having a voice and us coming
from texas, knowing where he's from, 3rd ward, i just use my voice and name to go out there and stand for my brother. you know, when they killed my brother, they didn't know he had a celebrity friend, person who played in the nba, won a championship, that's proven to stand up for his brothers. i've shown it many times. this does go hand in hand, don. i'm embracing it. i hope i continue to lead the right way. >> amen. bun, i want to bring you in. you're an artist. also a lecturer at rice university. you're smart. >> i'll take that. >> how you going to educate people in the community? what do you have to say about this? >> well, more than a vote is an amazing initiative. i want to thank lebron james for having kendrick, myself, being a part of it. one of the things we're dealing with in the african-american community is voter oppression. voter oppression in the past was
really just about intimidation. right? the klan would come through black communities and tell them, you know, you better not vote tomorrow or else. and even to the point where they would be at polling stations intimidating people with guns and violence. voter oppression in 2020 is different. it's more systemic. right? so you look at atlanta, georgia, right, atlanta, georgia, had malfunctioning machines at black polling places. they had either understaffed polling stations or stations where the people that were working just really didn't know what they were doing. they also didn't have adequate paper forms for when the machines did malfunction. there's a lot of different things that come into play when you look at voter oppression in america in modern times. that's what we're trying to do, one, combat that voter oppression in black and african-american communities, and then, two, remind people to be vigilant. right? because there are a lot of forces at play. it's not only going to be in the polling stations. social media has been a place for disinformation for several years now. and so that's going to be
another place where people are going to try to oppress the vote by, you know, convincing people that the vote got moved or it got canceled or maybe that specific polling stations are closed. so we got a very real thing happening right now in terms of voter oppression in this country. we want to make sure that people are informed about what they should be avoiding come election day. >> so, kendrick, bun just talked about georgia, what happened in georgia on tuesday night. on tuesday. went into the night. you could say tuesday night. we saw just crazy lines in fulton and dekalb counties. very high black and minority population. this is what you said on twitter. you said, "they are trying to make it tough as a way to take people's rights." do you think that this is intentional, what happened here? >> yes. yes. and i've been told by a reliable source, actually a governor, that, you know, we can't fall for those tricks. you know, they see that. outside -- what happened outside of georgia, all those african-americans ready to vote,
then all of a sudden, quote/unquote, the systems are down, whatever the case may be, that's part of their plan. we can't fall for that. we have to bring awareness to that. they do lie. they do come up with things to try to, you know, throw a curveball into certain situations so that black people cannot vote. so we can't fall for that. >> stephen, there's so much misinformation out there especially on social media where young people spend a whole lot of time, do you guys -- i know it's early on, but do you guys have a plan for that? >> well, i have to say from my side, my perspective, i think the young people are woke. i think a lot of times when all the nonsense was going on during the riots, it was the young people that exploited the people putting bricks, people trying to get people to tear stuff up that wasn't even with the protests. i got to salute the young generation. they're really woke. they're -- it's a big following that's following me and they really made a lot of noise
during this protest, so i got to give the young generation some applause. they're woke. they're really making a statement right now. >> i got chills when you said that because i've been saying that all along is that these young people are out there and pulling us into the future. i seriously have chills because this is not about the establishment. this is about young people. they're saying, we're done. and quite frankly, they are not happy with some of the things that we put up with. i mean, our generation. people in their 30s, 40s -- 40s and 50s. they think that we didn't move and push hard enough. right? and so i think that -- >> right. >> -- if they're going to be the ones to do it, i think they deserve our full support because they're standing out there, as i said, at, like, standing in an abyss and they need our support. they need to know that we are visible and that we support them and that we have -- the old heads or the old guards, that we have their backs. that's all i'm going to say. i'm not going to preach anymore, but, bun -- >> yeah.
>> listen -- >> i'm the resident old head here. >> president trump won the 2016 election because of -- i mean, a razor-thin margin. razor-thin margin in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. we know how important swing states are. will your group make them a focus in this election? >> absolutely. if you look at wisconsin through the primaries, they had levels of oppression in their elections. so, we already see what's going on. these are just the primaries. right? these are simply the primaries and they're already initiating different levels of voter oppression. right? they're testing the waters, so to speak. and so we have to be very aware of what we have to look forward to in november, but i have faith in the young people of america. if you look at every civil rights movement throughout history, young people have always been on the forefront. right?
so it's our job as the old heads, whatever you want to call it, to make sure they have as much information as possible. if you tell them what they need to do, they will do it. we're seeing it every day in these protests across america and around the world. young people want to engage but they need to be educated and informed. if they're going to put themselves on the front line, be active, be involved, we have to make sure they're as informed and educated as they can possibly be to be in the right position and make the right choices when the time comes. >> gentlemen, you're welcome here any time. raise your hand if you need to get something out or you have something to say. i applaud you. thank you very much for what you're doing. it is much appreciated. be safe. >> thank you for the platform, don. >> thanks for having us, don. >> yep. chicago police officers caught on surveillance video lounging in a congressman's
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protests. the surveillance video was captured in the early morning hours of june 1st as protests occurred throughout the city and within blocks of the lounging police. following the death of george floyd in minneapolis. it all happened inside longtime congressman bobby rush's campaign office. people broke into the office but once they were gone, 13 officers sat and lounged inside for as long as five hours. >> one was asleep on my couch in my campaign office. one had his head down on the desk. one was on his cell phone. they even had the gall to go and make coffee for themselves and to pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave. >> reporter: chicago mayor lori lightfoot and the city's top cop say these pictures portray the
work of other officers. tonight while investigators work to identify the officers the police issued a statement which in part says -- "at the request of chicago police superintendent david o. brown, an internal investigation has been open into the police response and actions that took place from the late evening of may 31st, 2020, into june 1st, 2020, at congressman bobby rush's campaign office." three of the officers seen in the video are wearing white shirts indicating they're supervisors with the department. tonight the superintendent delivering a stern warning. >> i'm not playing with you, that i mean what i say when i say, we're going to hold you accountable and that your behavior reflects my leadership, and it reflects all your leadership. move, get out of the way. but we are going to uphold the nobility of this profession. >> reporter: the mayor was already pushing for statewide licensing of police while seeking to rebuild trust in the
black community and is sure to cite this video moving forward. >> i can tell you one thing for certain, not one of these officers will be allowed to hide behind the badge and go on and act like nothing ever happened. not anymore. not in my city. not in your city. >> reporter: don, we reached out to the police union, but they had nothing to say so far when we asked for a comment, but if you think about all the things that are going on in this city and particularly how violent that night was, it's disturbing to sort of see everyone hanging out and chilling inside the congressman's office. just think about this, the solve rate for homicide this year is below 20% in the city. so you can understand why people in the south and the west side, the sides that are hit particularly hard by violence, are upset when they see these images. >> just unbelievable. ryan, listen, have the -- the mayor, the commissioner, have they said what the punishment
for these officers, what that might be? >> reporter: well, they said there's going to be some strong discipline. let me not sugarcoat this at all, don, it's been really tough the last few days. you had them come out and talk about how hard some of the officers were working. 12-hour shifts. they've been under siege in some points. then there are instances like this and there are others where officers have been disciplined that has sort of made a black eye on parts of this city especially when it comes to policing. when we're having a national conversation about changing things, and when you think about chicago in particular, in the way they're trying to reach out to the black and brown community, you know this doesn't help. >> ryan, i haven't said over the last couple weeks, you've been doing a fantastic job. your work. and i'm very proud to be your colleague. thank you very much. thank you. keep it up. >> reporter: thank you. >> thank you, brother. >> reporter: appreciate it. my next guest is calling on black artists to step up and speak out. he's the writer and director of the upcoming movie, "antebellum," and he's got a message that you need to hear. that's next.
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so let's talk about that. girard bush is here. how you doing? we've been trying to get you on for a while. i'm so glad that you finally said yes, and i am envious of your apartment. it's beautiful. or home. it's gorgeous. so thank you for joining us. let me talk about what you have written here. a very moving piece in vanity fair about what it is like to be black in america. to be black in america is to be in a constant state of simultaneous worry and defiance. an in-between place, a not so soothing balm that prevents us from erupting into rage every time we walk out the front door. talk to me about that. >> i think that most black folks, in this situation, suddenly, we find ourselves catapulted into a different emotion, that we really haven't tapped into. i felt apoplectic after what happened to george floyd. and i feel at this time, we, as
directors, as writers, as creators, get engaged. and make sure we provide a more accurate picture of what it is to be black in america, and all of the contours of that experience. and so, for me, is felt like a much more sort of productive emotion to feel anger because the anger is what activates people, if it's used in a productive manner, to initiate meaningful, sustainable change. >> that's -- yes. amen. listen. here's what you -- you posed the question. you talked about this just a little bit but i want you to expand on it, if you can. you posed a question in your article, what must black artists do? so then, what is the answer? i know you said engage. but what is the answer? >> i think that we have to be extremely careful about the stories that we tell ourselves.
i'm interested in telling the stories that we want to -- to see and hear and experience, from the perspective of black folk, rather than telling a story that white people, or some white people, want to see about us. i think it is just as important for us to provide an accurate reflection, in all of its rich, mosaic of diversity of who we are, as black people, as it is for us to show that reflection to the broader, sort of american collective. and so, for me, and my partner, christopher renz, you know, we write and direct everything together. but, for us, it's about how can we start working with movie studios to ensure that we have black executives, that we have black women, lgbtq folks represented, from the black community, where we have a clear voice, a seat at the table.
so that we can put movies and television shows, that are beyond this homogenized idea of what america is which, quite frankly, that's how we get a deluge of this mediocrity. there is a lot of it but doesn't mean it's necessarily great. >> yeah. before -- before we run out of time, i want to get -- i want to talk about your film because i think it's important. it's called antebellum. and right now, we are seeing a real effort around removing confederate flags, statues, names from institutions, around the country. why do you think this has taken so long? and talk to me. how does that play out? because your film is called antebellum. >> it was inspired for me and christopher by "gone with the wind," which i think was an absolute insult to black people. just the other day, lady antebellum reached out to us to
say their name was weighing heavy on our hearts. and that our movie definitely had an impact and hearing about the movie. and i said, you know, look. this is great. this is showing growth about a conversation that all of us need to have. and so, if you have confederate monuments or a confederate flag, in my opinion, that's tantamount to a nazi flag. this was, we're celebrating traitors in america. we're celebrating people that are celebrating or -- or believed in the subjugation of black people. believed in building this country, on the backs of stolen bodies and free labor. so that's a conversation that we should have. and i think that antebellum is going to activate a national conversation around that. >> we're over and i am going to get in trouble for this. i don't know if you saw there is a psa with prominent white celebrities making an effort. it's called i take responsibility. are you happy with -- you got to do it quick for me -- to see your white colleagues speaking
out like this? it got a lot of criticism. but, quite frankly, white people don't know what to do right now. >> yeah. look. i think that -- that inaction is not an option. but, at the same time, i think that white folks need to find a way to engage in proper allyship. and that means having meaningful conversations with the black community or black folks in your life. and if you don't have black folks in your life, then, that is an indication of the problem. so albeit, i understand good intentions. i think we need to broaden it where they're actually having the black community as a part of what that allyship should look like. >> listen. i think if your intentions are good, do some action. you can always correct them. right? thank you so much. hope to see you soon. i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> and thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. lock? ally nees