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very good thursday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. the nation tops 50,000 coronavirus cases for the first time in a single day. does that sound like the outbreak is disappearing? the president thinks this pandemic will go away. tell that, however, to the 23 states now pausing plans to reopen, or the more than 800,000 americans who are infected just in the month of june. one top doctor warning that
states such as texas, arizona and florida are on the brink of apocalyptic levels in his views. still, the president who should be leading in this pandemic continues his pattern of deliberately down playing it. a recap. >> looks like by april, you know, in theory when it gets a little warmer, miraculously it goes away. it's going to disappear, one day like a miracle it will disappear. it's going to go away. this is going to go away. eventually, it's going to be gone. it's going away and i think we'll be very good with the coronavirus. i think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear, i hope. >> well, inside the white house, top aides are now debating whether the president should shift back to focusing on this pandemic or stay focused on his hopes for the economy. just this morning, some good news for the country. we learned that the economy added 4.8 million jobs in june. let's go straight to christine
romans. christine, these are good numbers. they are somewhat backward looking. put it all into context for us. >> really important. this is a rearview mirror picture of all the middle of june. what it shows is the reopenings were bringing people back to work. you had 4.8 million jobs added in the economy in june. and the unemployment rate fell to 11.1%. now, the government very clearly focusing here on a misclassification problem said that it would be more like 12.1% for the unemployment rate if people were classified properly, so keep that in mind. 12% unemployment rate, still higher than we had in the great recession or in the worst recession that we had in the 1980s. so where are the sectors? leisure and hospitality. it was in retail. health services there. those are doctor's offices, dentists, all of those elective procedures that were put on hold, they started back up in june. and that meant people were going back to work in doctor's offices
and some added in construction there. but when you go beneath these numbers you can still see some of the inequalities that this recession has laid bear. for some categories here, you have got really stubbornly high unemployment rates. 15.4% for black americans. so some of these sectors have been hurt really bad by this particular recession. one other quick number to give to you, jobless claims. it is thursday, usually we look at the weekly jobless claims, look another 1.4 million filed for first time for unemployment benefit benefits, jim, in the most recent week. even as people are being brought back on the job in leisure and hospitality and the like, there are 1.4 million americans filing for unemployment for first time. so we have a long road to go to recover. >> christine romans, thanks. now to florida where vice president pence is visiting today and meeting with governor desantis as new coronavirus
cases continue to surge there. let's go to boris sanchez, he's in sarasota, florida. is it changing the response of the state leaders there? >> not exactly, jim. in june, the state of florida saw more than 100,000 new coronavirus cases. the deaths are here up to more than 3,500. governor ron desantis yesterday effectively saying he does not think that the state of florida is going to reimpose that statewide stay at home order that effectively shut down the state a few months ago. he's essentially leaving that chain of decisions to local officials to impose their own restrictions and we're seeing some areas do that. miami-dade for example, they have shut down beaches for the 4th of july holiday weekend and they have expanded the mask mandate, so if you're out in public you have to be wearing a mask in public areas. further, they have imposed a curfew now on bars and
restaurants. notably though, one of the biggest health hospital systems in the state, jackson health system, based in miami, they're very close to running out of remdesivir, that critical antiviral drug, the only one that's been approved by the fda to treat coronavirus. they are hoping that people will heed the warnings during the weekend. jim? >> boris sanchez in florida, thanks very much. now to texas, one of the first states to ease social distancing is now seeing its single highest increase of new cases. let's go to cnn's lucy kafanov. she is in houston, texas. lucy, houston's mayor, he is warning that at least two hospitals pretty much at maximum capacity. that's a real concern there, right, because that's folks sick enough to be hospitalized. >> it's a major concern, jim. you know, this is starting to feel like a dark version of ground hog day. it's like texas shattering another record. today is no exception.
8,000 new cases. more than 6,500 people in texas hospitals sick with coronavirus. this is taking an incredible toll on the medical facilities here. some hospitals in houston for example have started to transfer patients out to other areas just to make room. other hospitals preparing for a surge and it's not just houston. we are seeing this echoed across the state. you know, we had another cnn team in san antonio which has been hit incredibly hard by coronavirus. they have been filming at a hospital there and doctors say they have more patients than they know what to do with. those patients are getting younger and it's also taking an emotional toll on these doctors who are in this position of making life and death decisions. take a listen. >> yesterday was probably one of my worst days that i ever had. >> why? >> i got ten calls all of whom young people who otherwise would be excellent candidates to be able to put on ecmo. they're so sick if they don't get put on, they don't get that support they're probably going to die. i had three beds. and just -- and making that
decision, being able to figure out who really is going to benefit it is a level of decision making that i don't think a lot of us are prepared for. >> and this is something that doctors across the state, frankly, across the country dealing with. all of this as we head into the 4th of july weekend. i want to show you the headline from the "houston chronicle," stay at home this 4th of july weekend. there are concerns that the numbers could go up and just anecdotically my producer went out for a run in a local park in houston, there weren't folks wearing masks even though there are signs to do that and there's still no statewide mandate to do so. we haven't heard from the governor this week on how to keep people safe. >> hearing from one more doctor talking about how to make life or death decisions it's disturbing. lucy kafanov in houston, thanks very much. let's go now to cnn's evan mcmorris santoro.
he's at a drive-thru testing site in phoenix where appointments are being filled to the max in a matter of minutes each day. we have seen them around the country, overwhelmed. tell us what it looks like there. is there capacity to test the people who want to get tested? >> well, hi, jim. yeah, the situation in arizona is increasingly dire with another, you know, reporting record cases in deaths and that overwhelmed system that you're mentioning. i'm at the state fair grounds in phoenix. behind me is the agricultural buildings that are used as the largest consistent testing site here that can do about 1,000 tests a day. it's run by banner health. it's about 6:00 a.m. in phoenix and in a couple hours people will start to come through here. what you will see is a pretty orderly process, driving through, getting the tests and then driving out. but what that hides is an absolutely overwhelmed system. what happens in an hour from now
in arizona time, 7:00, the phone lines open up to book 1,000 slots at this testing site. and officials here tell us that that fills up in less than seven minutes. so as you can see, people are wanting to get tests and maybe not able to get them when they want them, jim. >> evan mcmorris-santoro, thanks very much. in california now, governor newsom is ordering a majority of the state back into a partial shutdown. dan simon is joining me from los angeles. tell us how they're toggling things up again particularly because the reopening was left to counties so now are these state mandated measures that are coming into place again? >> right. the governor really back tracking here. this marks a major reversal for the state of california. the governor halting indoor
operations across a whole bunch of different sectors impacting 19 different counties. so no indoor operations for the bars, wineries, museums, zoos, movie theaters and family entertainment. he says this order will last at least three weeks. now, we're talking about 19 different counties. this impacts nearly three-fourths of the entire population for the state of california. so this is going to be a major economic loss for a whole lot of people and beyond. you know, people who work in those industries and beyond. meantime, the number of hospitalizations, jim, in california is really surging up. 56% in the past couple of weeks so that's why the governor says it's necessary to impose these restrictions once again, jim. >> dan simon shows how difficult it is to get a handle on this, thanks very much. as everybody tries to prevent the spread of this virus hard to imagine some people are
doing what they can to touch it. in tuscaloosa, young people are throwing parties with the intention of catching covid. >> it's hard to believe that these kids are having parties and putting money in a pot and purposely trying to get covid from the person who has covid and apparently whoever gets covid first gets the pot. >> well, that's just dumb. there has been a number of parties in the area over the last several weeks. that the city is now working to break up any other parties they hear about. the city of tuscaloosa unanimously passed a mask ordinance on tuesday night which goes into effect this coming monday. still to come, president trump yet again says he thinks the virus will magically disappear as the u.s. hits the highest number of cases in a single day so far. can the president deal with this problem effectively if he refuses to see it? and we're learning more about why the president may not
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record deaths reported in two states, record hospitalizations in several more and the president says he still thinks the country will end up very good as the virus quote, he says disappears. but now as the infection numbers rise and his poll numbers fall, sources inside the white house say there's an internal split over the president's approach moving forward. let's bring in cnn white house correspondent john harwood. so some encouraging the president to recognize the reality of an outbreak here. who has the upper hand? >> well, i think the upper hand is with people who want the president to talk about the
economy and the president's going to demonstrate that in a few minutes when he has a news briefing to celebrate these new jobs numbers we got today. unequivocally good news for the economy, 4.8 million jobs added. unemployment rate down to 11% from 13% last month. however, this is a push and pull because these are really different sides of the same issue. the -- getting on top of the coronavirus is critical to sustaining the economic progress that was measured in that report and that measured it through the middle of june, before the resurgence of the virus started burning through the sunbelt and throwing some of the reopenings into reverse. so it is a very difficult situation for a white house that is struggling to grab on to immediate good news. they have been in such a deep political hole the problem is you grab on to that good news and avoid the virus. you run the risk of eroding what you're celebrating right now which is good economic news.
>> and that's what the economists and the health experts say, right, is that controlling the virus goes hand in hand with rebuilding the economy. john harwood at the white house, thanks very much. a u.s. based rapid response time that swings into action or is intended to and if the latest plan sounds familiar it is because it is. a similar unit was disbanded back in 2018. now today months into the outbreak with millions infected, thousands dead, the virus expanding officials will discuss putting a new pandemic response team together. joining me cnn national security correspondent kylie atwood and lisa monaco. kylie, so here's a team disbanded by trump two years ago. now coming back in a different form, but several months into a pandemic. >> yeah, that's right, jim. so similar motivation, different
building, if you will. so the obama administration stood up a directorate at the national security council at the white house and that office as you said was disbanded in 2018. and now retrospective to the coronavirus pandemic and the inability of the trump administration to really handle it well, they are having conversations -- follow-up conversations today at the white house about standing up an office focused on pandemic response at the state department. now, a senior administration official who i spoke to about this said that there's a reason they're putting it out -- the state department. they want to focus not only on public health but also on diplomacy because as we saw during the pandemic in the early stages, one of the key issues was where are the materials, where is the health materials that other countries have that the u.s. could use in relationships and diplomacy matter is the point they're
making. but the bottom line there was indeed an office to do just this thing at the national security council that the trump administration got rid of. former officials who worked in the office said it would have helped the trump administration in expediting and making more efficient its response to the coronavirus pandemic. >> lisa monaco, you have to be shaking your head a little bit to hear this administration say, you know, preparation, advanced warning, early action diplomacy matters here. that was in place and disbanded. i mean, is it a little too late now? >> well, it's certainly deja vu all over again, jim. look, this unit as you said was in place in -- after the ebola epidemic. i as the homeland security adviser at the time at the president's direction set up the
unit. it was a pandemic response unit in the national security council and we put it there pause in the epidemic like ebola, in a pandemic like coronavirus, you need the whole of government's response and you need swift action and you need swift decisions from the president and you need at that policy coordinated across the entire government. look, this move now to set this unit -- reset this unit up although in a different building on the other hand is a recognition that you do need a specific identified place to constantly be focusing on the pandemic preparedness. that's good. on the other hand, what we're seeing here is a risk of repeating the mistakes all over again. the trump administration announced a national pio defense strategy and that strategy after having disbanded the unit that the obama/biden administration set up, after having disbanded my old job, the homeland security adviser job that was
responsible for pandemic preparedness after they got rid of that unit, they said, okay, we're doing to set up a new unit and a new task force for pandemic response and bio defense, although we'll put it a the department of health and human services. when the covid-19 struck, they started off with that task force. people will recall under secretary azar's direction. that didn't work. they said, nope, that's not working. we're going to bring it back to the white house. we're going to put vice president pence in charge. now, that was a temporary structure and now they're trying yet another effort and putting it outside in the state department. it doesn't make sense. you need swift response. the last thing i'd say, jim, you know, this recognition that you need diplomacy, absolutely you need diplomacy in a pandemic response and the most effective diplomacy in the virus gets done by the president and the vice president. >> kylie, when you press the administration officials on why
now, is there any acceptance that, yeah, we got it wrong the first time around on this? >> i would say behind closed doors there is, jim. you know, they admit folks at the state department look at what has happened in the united states in comparison to the countries where u.s. diplomats are serving. my gosh, it really demonstrates just the failure in terms of the administration in handling this pandemic. i think we saw that come to fruition earlier this week. you saw the eu let in travelers from 14 countries just this week. the united states wasn't on that list of accepted travelers, so state department officials are definitely cognizant of the failure. but they're trying to say, look, let's put our heads together and let's, you know, create some positive momentum towards something doing forward to fix something like this because they think it could happen again and maybe not 100 years from now. jim? >> yep.
there are concerns about a new virus out there. lisa monaco, i want to show to our viewers where the u.s. stands in relation to europe in terms of new infections. europe active, got it under control. the u.s. delayed and -- well, it's the opposite of under control, right? it's going in the opposite direction. whatever the consequences for the u.s. to be trailing the world in outbreak response right now? >> well, it's unacceptable. and it's unconscionable. right? our slow, halting, chaotic, uneven response to this pandemic has put us on the graph that you showed in exactly the place that that graph reflects. and that's unacceptable. frankly, it means now our citizens as kylie just mentioned are alongside russia and brazil in being excluded from travel to the eu. you know, that is -- that is a very unusual and really
unfortunate and unacceptable place for the u.s. to be. >> yeah, not a club you want to be a member of. lisa monaco, served in the administration in a role designed to respond to this kind of thing. kylie atwood, thanks to both of you. happening overnight, "the new york times" reports that an afghan businessman was the middle man in a russian bounty scheme to kill coalition soldiers. much more ahead. and we're moments away from the opening bell on wall street. u.s. futures are up this morning, this after a new jobs report showed 4.8 million new jobs created in june. unemployment rate falling to 11%, real figure probably 12%. much more ahead. [squeaky shopping cart] [sniffing]
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suicide. later this morning, the so-called gang of eight will be briefed on russian bounties for taliban fighters to kill u.s. troops in afghanistan. according to "the new york times," u.s. and afghan officials believe an afghan businessman is a key middle man in the alleged scheme. that man is now believed to be where? in russia. let's begin with cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what's key about this, it speaks to the details, right, about the intelligence here if they have identified a middle man. of course the president has said this is uncorroborated, maybe a hoax. what do we know? >> well, jim, this reporting coming from "the new york times," of course cnn has not been able to independently able to verify it. what "the new york times" is reporting that a middle man, an afghan contractor has been identified, someone "the times" said brought money in to afghanistan and at some point a raid on one of the person's homes in kabul yielded thousands
of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars in cash. officials "the times" spoke to said they believe this middle man was representing that russian bounty effort to try and target u.s. and coalition service members serving in afghanistan and there may have been something like $100,000 bounty on any service member that they could target. this according to "the new york times." the trump administration is sticking to the line that it's unverified intelligence, but nonetheless continuing to brief members on congress on what they do know about it. that's clearly intelligence out there. is it all verified? i think we are hearing from all of those members of congress who have had the briefing that there is some contradictory intelligence, but nobody so far is saying there's nothing there. jim? >> fair enough, yeah. like you said repeatedly this information was passed on to
commanders on the ground to increase force protection for troops deployed. another challenge for the u.s. military, of course the covid outbreak. new numbers from the defense department, what do they show? >> well, in the last two to three weeks essentially the number of cases -- positive cases of covid in the united states military in active duty force has doubled in some cases nearly tripled. this now across the active duty military. the air force, very hard hit by this especially and the air force telling us that they are seeing -- the increases in some of the hot spots where civilian society of course is seeing the increases. texas, california, arizona, florida, where there are military bases and it is somewhat logical. military personnel, their families, they are in the areas and they interact with local communities, they live there, they go out and shop. so this is where some of the
increase is coming. for the military, their view is one piece of good news in all of this is the hospitalization rate for the military has not gone up. so not the number of seriously, seriously ill people, but nonetheless, they are seeing a significant uptick in these hot spot areas, jim. >> that hospitalization figure, key. barbara starr, thanks very much. the economy added 4.8 million jobs in june. sadly, not the whole story. we'll discuss the details next. from prom dresses...
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11.1%. we should add 1.4 million americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week. those of course a measure of folks who lost their jobs. cnn political commentator katherine rappel joins us now. so this was the result of reopening in many states and a bigger number than expected. how good of the news is this? how good of a piece of news is this? >> so the good news is that, yes, employers were able to rehire. there was some concern that once they laid off their employees they would become sort of unattached to the previous relationships, hard to get them rehired again. the bad news this is a snapshot that was essentially taken in mid june. that's when the survey from the labor department was fielded. and since then, of course, we have seen a huge spike a resurgence of infections and reclosing of a lot of the very industries that seemed to do a lot of the hiring.
so leisure and hospitality, for example, had been responsible for about two of -- two of every five jobs that were added and leisure and hospitality establishments have been reclosed in texas, florida, et cetera. so that alongside a number of other metrics that ever with seen in the couple of weeks since this survey was fielded have suggested that the recovery may have sort of plateaued or even maybe stalling out despite these very strong looking numbers from mid june. >> big picture issue, right, is that you can't sustainably ride the roller coaster here, right? many economists and health experts will make the point and business owners i have talked to you know the two go hand in hand. economic recovery and controlling the outbreak because when you have people getting infected at big rates again, then that invariably brings the shutdown and brings economic consequences, right? is that how folks should be
looki looking at this? >> right. there's a new working paper from a couple of economists from the university of chicago that finds what seems to matter for business activity and presumably resulting in hiring has to do with how fearful people are with getting sick, irregardless of if the government tells them you must stay home, you can't go to work. if there's fear out there of people getting sick they won't resume their normal economic activities. >> yeah, they won't go to the restaurant. they're not going to go on a plane for vacation. help me out with something that i just can't understand because every time these numbers come out, there's a question about categorization and are the headline numbers somewhat misleading? our christine romans made the point, yes, 11.1% official unemployment but it's closer to 12% because of how the labor department is categorizing people. can you explain? >> yeah, they're trying really hard to get these numbers right and every time this jobs report comes out there's a little note at the bottom basically
expressing the frustration. they say that we're telling our people who are administering the surveys to collect the data a certain way, but we're in a weird time right now. this survey was not designed for what happens during a pandemic. and the result is that a number of people who are responding to these surveys are saying, yeah, i'm still employed, i was just absent from work for other reasons, when they should have been counted on temporary layoff. it's not you know a conspiracy, they're trying to get it right. it's just really hard to measure. >> i see. listen, there are a lot of jobless coming across the transom at once. so it's line drinking from a fire hose. so good to have you break it down for us. thanks very much. the president has been speaking at the white house, touting these jobs numbers. here's what he said moments ago. let's have a listen. >> the unemployment rate fell by
more than two percentage points, down to just about 11%. we're down to the 11% number. we started at a number very much high their than. as you know, we broke the record last month and we broke it again this month in anevenbigger way. this news comes on top of may's extraordinary jobs report which was revised upwards, by the way, to 2.7 million jobs. it was 2.5 that was last month. that was a record setter. >> the president there touting those jobs figures that we have been speaking about all morning. we'll continue to monitor his press conference from the white house to see if he takes questions there and we'll bring those to you. coming up, a big question right now -- how do you bring millions of children back to school and safely? superintendents from two epicenters of the outbreak will join me next as they wrestle with that question. t goes throu. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice
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in this broadcast. meanwhile, of course we're looking at the covid outbreak and how schools react to it. schools begin in just weeks and right now, coronavirus is surging in many states. top education leaders try to piece together plans to bring back millions of kids around the country but safely. with me are both from those in active epicenters of the virus, we have the superintendent of miami-dade, and the los angeles county superintendent of schools. thanks to both of you. we know you have a lot on your plate. i'm sure you're hearing a lot from parent wos want to get their kids back to school. alberto, you're meant to announce your plan today. what can you tell us about how you'll make it happen? >> actually we announced the plan yesterday after we surveyed
100,000 parents who are responsible for over 150,000 children as well as surveying the vast majority of our teachers, and we gleaned a lot of data information that the -- >> it basically relies on for you important elements. number one, a series of preventive measures. number two, four different instructional models to remove density in schools and number three, specific protocols for contact tracing and automated communication to entities that may have had contact with individuals that may become infected and number five, a massive amount of training. >> okay. >> and education for parents and students about new social behaviors that we'll expect. obviously mandatory wearing of masks. >> are kids coming back, just to be clear, is everybody coming back on the same day, or are you alternating days, weeks, how are you balancing class size? >> important question because obviously you want to reduce density in the school, maximize
social distancing. that's why we have provided parents with options and we know the options parents want. that allows us to bring some students to school for a traditional five-day per week experience. the second model relies on 100% remote learning by qualified teachers, always with the students, and then there are two hybrid models that allow for the alternating of different cohorts of students throughout the week, reducing, again, the total number of students or student tense did i in the building at any one time. >> deb race, you've got a similar challenge, huge district. how will you get the balance right. will it be a similar model? >> similar in some ways. we have 2 million children in l.a. county, and we're also looking at providing options so some students will come to school every day. there will be a hybrid of some having some of their days at school and other days receiving instruction at home.
we're also looking at which students have been most impacted by this pandemic and really looking at it through an equity lens to ensure that our students who have not had the ability to connect during this closures of school for many different reasons, making sure that those students have access first, but we're also looking at many of our partners in the city and in the county so that for the opportunities that may participate in a hybrid program where they are in school a couple days a week, looking at having learning centers at libraries, parks, boys and girls club, other places where students can go in the day so their parents can continue to work. >> that's a big thing, you know, because a lot of people don't have the means to take care of the kids at home. deb bra, you mentioned kids going home, parts spending part of the day or week at home. how do you reduce the risk of
kids binging the infection home because while kids are at less serious risk of code of the word is that they bring that into their home. >> that's all about the health and safety measures. the ppe equipment, the masks, the disinfecting of classrooms and keeping students with the physical distancing, limiting things. like, we're not going to have our sports, even things like music and -- and instruments. we need to take a very good look. a we've been working for the past three months on developing these plans so when students do come back we do it in a way that's safe, not only for students and their families when they go home and also for our employees. you know, we have many teachers and administrators that fall into that high-risk category. we need to make sure that we're monitoring for illness, taking temperatures. >> yeah. >> looking at how kids are entering and exiting our campuses.
>> alberto, in miami-dade, what do you do for parents who say we just can't take care of the kids at home during the day, that we've got to get to work. >> that's why we offer a full traditional model five days a week in school, exercising all of the responsible preventive measures, social distancing and mandatory cycles throughout the day and sanitization cycles to be done during the day and nights and weekends in addition to the necessary ppes that debra described. we're in a different place. 100% of our students are digitally connected with access to the internet and way five. all of the students have devices so that we can actually pivot from one model of learning to another should conditions dramatically worsen or improve and that ability to be nimble in pivoting between phases based on local conditions is critically important for us, but our theory
of action is to provide parents options, also addressing the most fragile students. we're going to bring those students back to school two weeks earlier, and they are right now in summer virtual programs to address the academic regression that they have suffered. >> well, it's a lot for both of you to handle for folks across the country and kudos to you, we wish you the best of luck. >> thank you, jim. >> thank you so much. as cases can surge, a leading health expert says this this july 4th weekend could be a perfect storm for new infections, a lot of data coming out of memorial day. what will can be done to get this under control so that doesn't happen? we'll discuss. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less
pause on their reopening plans. why? well, because of new surges in covid infections around the country. the reality, the u.s. just reached more than 50,000 cases in a single day for the first time. more than 800,000 americans infected just in the month of june. moments ago president trump at the white house says the country is getting a handle on this. >> the crisis is being handled. you know, if you look, we were talking this morning something to think about. china was way early, and they are getting it under control just now, and europe was way early, and they are getting it under control. we followed them with this terrible china virus, and we are, like wise, getting under control. >> that's not true.
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