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today the nfl team in washington, d.c., announced at the end of a review process it would be changing its team name and logo. one the navajo nation called racist and disparaging. the team name was chosen by george preston marshall before he moved the team to d.c. he was a known bigot. the last nfl owner to end grate his team. pressure has been building for decades to change the name, thanks to indigenous activists as well as the environment created by the black lives matter movement. that change finally came with investors placing pressure on the team's sponsors. according to the washington post, those sponsors, including fedex, which own the naming rights to the team's stadium demand they change their name. the new name will not be announced to a later date due to trademark issues. some possibilities floated include the red tails. an allusion to the tuchkegee airmen. president trump called the change political correctness. today the navajoe nation today is an historic day for all indigenous people around the world.
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i hand it over to chris cuomo. >> thank you very much, anderson. appreciate it. we'll be taking up that topic tonight as well. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time". another week begins without america have a top-down plan to fight a pandemic. remember that. that is our biggest problem right now. and trump is to blame, period. cases are soaring. too many places are still not doing what we must. tests are not easy to get everywhere needed, and return times, as you know where you live, can last days or more for too many. and dr. anthony fauci is n blame for any of this. trump is, period. and now that the reality is sinking in to blue and red to left, right and reasonable, trump is doing what he always does -- trying to shift blame to
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someone else. and we must reject efforts to shift stink onto the one man we can trust. a medal of freedom recipient, adviser to six presidents, he has been straight with you, including being straight about having a late start, and having to change guidance on threat assessment, on masks and transmission risks. why? because as the facts changed, the positions changed. that's okay, if done quickly and transparently. but his principles, has tony fauci never given you the information he had, never been straight about the risks, has he not warned you not getting cases down would stall the economy, all of that has remained solid. that should be the measure of that man. now, in these white house attacks, we see their principles on display as well, don't we? eat your own. lie about fauci, deny your role
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leadership that we gave you. and how about using an unnamed official to smear the only credible voice they have on this voice. where are the worries about anonymous sources now, mr. president? this is making america great again? you pardon a convicted liar and lie about a man with a conviction to fight a pandemic, which you apparently lack. give us the official that you leaked. give us any official who wants to argue point by point that fauci is the problem and not this problem? i will give that man or woman my entire show to make the case. he and the rest of trump's team were cautious about masks because the word was transmission from hands could can be immediate and, remember, we were in a hole with ppe for first responders.
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remember all that desperation? they learned more about how we catch this. they shifted. we got more ppe. they shifted. this country never got into the mode of making ppe the way the president promised to this day. fauci and the rest of trump's team slept on the threat of community spread early on, then cases caught fire on the west coast and fauci and others realized the flaw. they woke up and sounded the alarm. trump continued to call it a hoax. he continued until this very day. >> we test more than anybody, by far. and when you test, you create cases so we've created cases. >> no, no, no, no. when you test, you expose cases. you don't create cases. the problem is not the testing. the problem is not enough smart testing and contact tracing, which you and your vice
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president promised months ago would be in a supply and availability and effectiveness that is nowhere to be found. hospitalizations are going up. explain that if the issue is just how much testing we are doing. you can't because it's a lie. contrast that with fauci. >> this is a really serious problem. it is truly historic. we haven't even begun to see the end of it yet. >> the men and women who do what fauci does all agree. you want to criticize fauci, go ahead, he put himself in the position, but apply the exact same standard to trump. i argue the stick you measure fauci by will be used to beat trump into the blundering mess he has been on covid. and don't miss the deception at
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play. you think the white house went at fauci without trump wanting it? remember that when you hear this. >> well, i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. i have for a long time. i have from the beginning. i find him to be a very nice person. i don't agree with him always. i like him. >> that's how he treats somebody he likes. we come from the same place. used to be a joke around there. with friends like that, who needs enemas. the only thing that this president likes is a personal win. no matter who else has to lose, even someone he says he likes, like tony fauci. we finally saw the president wear a mask this weekend. five months more than 130,000 deaths into this pandemic. i guess good for him for putting aside his vanity for a fleeting moment at a hospital that treats
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some of our wounded warriors, but imagine, if he had been sending the right message all along. forget about the stupid instagram videos we all have to suffer through of these crazed almost exclusively white people, almost exclusively trump supporters fighting masks, think about if the right messaging had been in place, from the man at the top, how many lives could have been saved? does the mask prove this isn't a hoax? speaker pelosi calls the face covering an admission from trump that if you want to stop the spread, you have to wear one. whether he admits it or not, that's the truth. but what does he value?
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he wears the mask and goes right back to retweeting conspiracies that the coronavirus threat is all a lie to take him dune. why did he wear the mask? why? what's his source? a retired dating game show host named chuck woolery right everyone is lying, the cdc, democrats, the media, our doctors, it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back. should be said only with tin foil hat on. that's the voice that gets a presidential seal of approval and factual fauci is the one he shuts down, leaking negative things through an anonymous source, relegating fauci to only podcasts and interviews of print lately. i told you this would happen. i told you as soon as people started saying things that reinforce the facts and when those facts hurt this president's performance, they would be silenced. that's exactly what is happening. why? i'll let fauci answer that. quote, i have a reputation, as you have probably figured out, of speaking the truth at all times. not sugarcoating things. look, i'm not trying to drown you in dread. i'm trying to sound the alarm. right now matters. right now is the moment that we must come together, demand truth from power. we have to get our kids back in school. we have to get as many of them as we can. we have to get as many of us as we can back to work. it is not yes or no.
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it's how? we need a plan from trump. we need to wear masks. we need to socially distance. we need to wash our hands like crazy. i have the same chapped hands you have. the most populated state in the nation just made a big move, reimposing restrictions. to do it right. the push was reopen, ready or not. that's how the red states thought they would please trump. it was a mistake. so now let's start asking the right questions, let's start putting ourselves in the right positions to get back where we must be right away. we have a former top american health official, former acting cdc director who went through a big crisis like this, dr. richard besser. known you for a long time. i'll tell you what, none of us
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have ever seen anything like what they're trying to do to fauci. could you imagine when you were trying to keep america straight on what you were dealing with from the cdc, the president had his people trash talking you to blame you for what was going on. >> yeah, you know, chris, in 2009 when i was running cdc during the start of the swine flu, dr. fauci and i were often side by side. what you want to see in the response to a pandemic is the lead from the national institutes of health, which is dr. fauci and the cdc, which is usually the cdc director, talking together. one talking hard science and one talking public health. in this pandemic, dr. fauci has been the voice of all of public health science. and i have to say that, you know, he's -- he is a brilliant scientist, a committed public servant. he is somebody who speaks truth to power and he's walked a fine line across his entire career in being successful in administrations of both parties.
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he is a true scientist and leader. and we should be following the recommendations he's putting forward. >> let's hope this doesn't happen, but if he -- you know, look, this is an old school guy from new york and, you know, italian guy who made his family proud. he has that typical immigrant story of coming here and doing things the family never even dreamed possible. he has a lot of pride, too. if he leaves because he's like, i'm not playing this stupid toxic politics game, what could happen? >> well, you know, i know dr. fauci and he doesn't walk away. he will stay with us. he may not have a voice out there that's as easy to hear. that's part of the problem, the clash of messages where you have every public health leader in the nation talking about this being early days and what we do right now matters. you laid out those things individuals need to do in terms of masks and social distancing
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and hand washing. there are things the government has to do in terms of providing support to everyone in america so that everyone has the opportunity to protect themselves, their families and communities. a lot of those supports are going away. you know, in a few days the federal protection for eviction and mortgage foreclosure goes away. what happens then to people who have to decide, do they go to work if they've been exposed because they want to pay that rent? we need those federal supports coming back in. you need a voice at the top that's talking public health science, that's making the case for why we need to have those systems in place. >> i had somebody come up to me this weekend, and she was in a panic that don't stop talking about the testing. we still can't get the test. we can't get the test. i hear this all over the country. we have to get our kids back in school. it's not a binary thing. can't get the economy back. families aren't going to make
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it. having to educate their kids and find a way to feed them at the same time. but how -- richard, how can it be true that -- forget about everyone will be able to have a test whenever they want promise. it's not going to happen. but how can it still be five, seven, nine, ten days to get a test result and how do we fix that so that a community has a fighting shot of knowing what's going on in its ranks when it's reopening its schools? >> yeah, i mean, it's not going to work unless your turn-around time for a test is two days or less. and you're not going to be able to get schools open if you can't control spread in the community. and there are states that are doing it. they're worried because they see what's going on around the country and in many other places. if you can drive the cases down and we did that in many states by people staying at home, and that was hard, and then slowly, carefully trying to reopen the economy, but when you do that, when you drive the cases down to a manageable number and if you have testing available with rapid turn-around and you have contact tracers and providing support that everyone has a safe
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place to isolate or quarantine, then you can get this under control like the -- almost every country in the european union has done and across asia has done. it's doable. when you see it being done elsewhere, we can come together as a nation. >> every other country was all top-down. we're all about states' rights. a lot of people understand this is done at the state level, and all of us understand, you better than everybody, often know they need help. whether it's where you are in jersey or new york, yeah, the numbers are much better, relatively, but testing is still taking too long in too many places here as well. what's going to happen? richard besser, thank you for helping us in advance find our way through this. team trump keeps insisting all kids should be in school. of course they should. no matter what. wrong. wrong. you have to have a plan. you have to help states and communities. more importantly, why should we listen to the administration
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the white house press secretary today questioned whether kids can contract or spread the virus citing the cdc director. >> i would point you to the words of the cdc director who said children are not very affected by this and are typically not spreaders.
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>> now, look, they won't let him come on, but i welcomed the head of the cdc to come here and make the case that children don't really get affected and children can't really spread this. we know they get the virus. my kid got it. some have even died from it. no, not at the rate of adults. but we know that they can transmit it. we don't know exactly how they compare to the rest of us, but the key part is, we don't know. what do you do when you don't know? do you double down on the dumb aspect of your ignorance? that's what the white house is doing. why? because ready or not, reopen, that's what they want from schools. so much so that the president is considering using funding as a motivator. remember, federal funds to state education affected neediest kids most.
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so, you can affect the population that's getting the most sick, that has the most injustice in this country. here's what his economic adviser is a said today. >> the president has argued that he is looking at the potential to defund if the schools do not open. ms. devos said the same thing. now, having said that, i think the president would be willing to consider additional funding for state and local governments if the schools do reopen. so, that's, perhaps, an incentive. >> another guy they won't let come on the show to argue this nonsense that he's putting out there with the friendlies. look, what you should do is have a plan to help the states do what they need to do to reopen schools. they will have a long list of asks. dr. sanjay gupta is back. on the science, doc, good to see you. god bless you and the family.
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love you, brother. what do we know with kids? are we good with me saying, they're good, sanjay, they don't spread like you and me. if they do get sick, it's one in a. >> gazillion and they asymptomatic. >> we know kids can get this virus. we know they can carry this virus in their nose, their mouth. take a look there because this is important. if you do the math there, 5 to 17-year-olds, it's about 5% or so of the overall coronavirus impact on the country. so, it's not negligible. with regard to transmissibility, that's a question mark. you know, there's been a bunch of studies. we've been reporting on this for some time. a couple things to keep in mind, kids can transmit the virus. whether or not they're transmitting at a higher or lower or the same rate as
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adults, we don't know for sure. they seem to be able to have monday contacts, though. you go into school, you'll come in contact with more people. so, even if they're transmitting at a lower rate than adults t may get washed out or increased, essentially, because they have more contact. you have to take all these things into account, chris. what i think is interesting is part of the reason we don't really know about the it, young kids in particular really kind of have been at home since march. they got out a little bit but not as much as older kids or adults, certainly. even as a result, when we look at this 4,000, 5,000 person study, sometimes it only accounts for a couple dozen kids. we don't know right now. >> what about information from several states and localities reporting an uptick in kids, contracting the virus, even being hospitalized. how do to you account for that? >> no, i mean, i think once you start to get these very high numbers, even if it's a smaller
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percentage, the absolute number is still going to be high. that's the reality. i mean, you look at these numbers, sure, they're overall smaller percentage but the idea that this because, even if sere once you start getting into thousands of new infections a day, even if you have a smaller percentage that are likely to get ill in that younger age group, it's still going to be a high number. that's why you hear about, you know, 11-year-old in florida who died. you hear about teenagers getting quite sick. in texas there were several people who were needing ecmo who were young people. that's because overall numbers have gotten so high, you'll affect all these age populations. i think the big question really, chris, is overall with transmissibility in a school, it's not a bubble. you will have staff coming in and out, teachers, people who are going to be considered vulnerable, either because of age or pre-existing conditions. how can you best protect them in a way that makes them feel comfortable to be able to do that? that's going to be the big question. kids are then going to go home. i'll tell you my thing, chris,
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and you know this because we've been talking about this since march, we still don't have very good testing. if you could have a very rapid, accurate, on-site test that the children, the students as well as faculty could take, have some physical confidence and psychological confidence both with regard to whether or not they have the virus, i think would go a long way. we seem to have just completely abandoned the possibility of that whereas other countries, that's exactly what they do and that's why they've been able to get ahead of this. >> tony fauci, you talk to him on a regular basis. you've gotten to observe him here, by the way, multiple times in the past. what do you think of the idea of the white house trying to make him the guy to look at if you want to wonder why things aren't perfect? >> it's dispiriting, really, chris. i mean, you can't believe it. i mean, we've got a real problem on our hands. as you pointed out at the top of the show, we need to come up with a cure or a solution to this problem. this is just taking us backwards.
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you see it coming, chris. you and i have talked about this. the task force briefings went away. dr. fauci got increasingly marginalized. it wasn't that they disliked him, they just didn't want to see him. out of sight, out of mind. now this active disinformation campaign. it's astonishing, chris, but in some ways not surprising because there is this anti-science sentiment. you see it with vaccines and autism, and climate change. the difference here is that this anti-science sentiment is so urgent. it matters so much right now. and that's why i think it's really come to a head. that's really unfortunate. we need to be listening to this guy. >> i just hope that fauci doesn't holds on and remembers why he's there because, look, you know him well personally, so do i. he's not the kind of guy to get pushed around. i'm just worried, god forbid, he leaves and he says, i've done this long enough, i've put stuff
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in place, i'm not playing this fool's game. then what do we do? sanjay gupta, thank you so much for keeping us, you know, kind of level on this and understanding what is and what needs to be. be well. >> any time, brother. you too. one of the president's top former aides just had this big change of heart on the coronavirus threat. because it impacted his own family. what former acting chief of staff mick mulvaney said back when in his white house days, and what he's saying now. next.
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today is they think this is going to be what brings down the president. that's what it's all about. it's not a death sentence. it's want the same as the ebola crisis. >> feeding that red meat bs to the faithful. be angry. hate everybody else. like many trump team members. now he gets out and he gets religion on reality. in an op-ed today he writes, i know it isn't popular to talk about in some republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. my son was tested recently. we had to wait five to seven days for results. my daughter wanted to get tested before visiting her grandparents, but was told she didn't qualify. that's simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic. you see, that's why i test them the way we do on this show. because now he wants to live the reality. we know that people like him are covering for false facts and playing divisive politics like he did at cpac. and then he gets to write an
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op-ed like this, like he's reasonable? you want the truth when they are in power. i'm sorry for his family and having to deal with it. families all over this country have been dealing with it for a long time and he knows why. so we want truth while they're in power. like atlanta's mayor. she and her family are living with covid right now. listen. >> it took us eight days to get our testing. had we known we had someone in house who was asymptomatic, we would have taken all due precautions, but this is the issue that we are having across this country. and it's the reason we cannot get to the other side of this virus. >> keisha lance bottoms. hot shot mayor, atlanta, big city, georgia, relevant state. they talk about her about maybe being biden's choice as vp on the ticket. she can't get her kids tested
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all right. something that you have to keep in mind. of course, school decisions, local health matters, they are dealt with at the state level and at the municipality level, cities and whatnot. but that is especially true when there is no plan on the federal level. that's where we are in the middle of this pandemic. that local politicians are almost on their own. so, what happens when the rs and ds don't line up, as the president is making more and more of a reality every day on this pandemic. you get situations like atlanta. the mayor says, we got to go back to strict stay-at-home rules. the governor says no. why? let's discuss. mayor keisha lance bottoms facing this political reality, also facing the reality of this virus in her own home.
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mayor, you look well. good to see you. >> thank you, chris. good to see you and thank you for having me. >> so, give me a quick take. how is it in the household? >> we're doing so much better. i'm a little more fatigued than usual, but nothing compared to my husband. and he's staying up a bit more, so compared to how he was just a few days ago, he's had a miraculous turn-around. of course, my child is healthy as can be. completely asymptomatic. >> beautiful. the men are the weak ones. that is the lesson that every household seems to learn. the same thing happened in the cuomo house. the women made it through stronger, the men suffer. let me ask you something, though. thank god your family's moving in the right direction and quickly. the big-shot mayor of atlanta, talked about a potential vp choice running mate for joe biden. how fast could you get your family tested? >> it took eight days. and it's just -- it tells you what a failure in testing that
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we have in this state. we took a test june 29th. i did it as routine testing because i had attended a funeral. eight days later, by the time we had gotten that test back, i had taken another test through emory university, got those results back. and by then the three of us were all positive, but when we got the 29th results back, our child was positive and asymptomatic then. and it's happening all over this country. and i've said it before, i'll say it again, this is -- it's no secret why we can't get to the other side of this pandemic. it's because we're failing with testing and we're failing with contact tracing. >> so, you deal with this personally. you look at the numbers, 25 new deaths from this -- the georgia department of health says you have 3,600 new cases, 120,000 cases totally. you know, hundreds and additional hospitalizations.
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fulton county, that's where most of atlanta is. 10,995 total cases. you say, look, we got to take a step back. stay home except for essential trips. wear the mask is a must. restaurants only doing to-go and delivery. the governor says, slow down. we don't need it. overrules. your take. >> chris, it is baffling to me that the governor, who did not know that this was even transmitted through asymptomatic transmission is still not looking at the science and the data. i didn't pull this out of the air. we had an advisory commission a few months ago that was comprised of fortune 500 business representatives, small business owners, people from public health entities, across the board representative of the
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community. we work with bloomberg associates to come up with a set of metrics that would determine how atlanta moved through phases of reopening. we had moved to phase two per the data and the metrics, based on where we are with icu capacity, based on where we are with transmission rates, based on a number of scientific, independently vetted data. we've now had to go back to phase one. i took no joy in going back to phase one. >> can you go if he says no? if he says no -- >> we certainly can -- they are recommendations. thankfully businesses across the city are following those recommendations. >> so it's an ask. >> but we certainly can as a city, and in the world's busiest airport, which we own and operate, we can also mandate masks because it is a city-owned
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asset. that has been supported by delta air lines. it's one of our largest job centers in the state. so, that's going to make a big difference in our state. >> so, i saw you with my brother today, new york's governor. look, it's all good for you guys to work together all over the country. we're seeing it all the time. especially during the pandemic. but why? why does atlanta's mayor need help from new york when it comes to testing? you're a big state. you've got a red governor. why isn't it coming from the federal, why isn't it coming from the state? >> that's the million dollar question, chris. and we didn't have to look to italy to see where we were headed in this country. we could look to new york. your brother was on television every day telling us what was happening in new york and what would happen in our cities and states if we did not heed the warnings and if we did not take
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certain precautions. when i look at the in bes in this state, i am disgusted by them. i am seeing numbers and rates of infection going up in ways that i have not seen since april. and they're jumping even faster by the day. what angers me, on top of all of the death and sickness, to have to look at our children and tell them they likely will not be able to go back to school in the fall because we had all of spring, we had all of summer, we said to our kids, hang in there, it's going to be fine come fall, and we're back to where we started. in georgia, i hate to say it, but it looks like we're going to be even worse than we were in the spring if this transmission continues at this rate. when we opened up, people started flocking to our state and to our city because we were open for business without any restrictions. >> what would you do -- you know, you're blessed with having kids, very much school age. if we were a month and a half from now, you know, right there, it's labor day, how would you feel about sending the kids back to school? >> well, in georgia we usually open up in august, so we open up between the first part and middle of august. so, it's upon us. it's a tough one for me personally because three of my children who will be going back to school all have varying
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degrees of asthma, but one has it much worse than the others. so, i'm having to make the decision, do i send all three back? do i send two back and let one stay back? i don't know what that decision will be. it's going to be a tough decision. and it's also going to be based upon what the school is able to offer in terms of barriers, et cetera. again, it's not just about our kids, because i have one who was asymptomatic in my house now. it's about the teachers, it's about the custodians, it's about the cafeteria workers. i'm equally concerned about them. >> and who they have at home, are they taking care of elderly, do they have people with health risks in their vicinity and household. a lot of questions. that's why you have to have planning, help from above. now you see that even sharper than you ever did because you're living it real time. mayor keisha lance bottoms, i'm
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happy to hear your family is making through, knock on wood, without any grave incidents. it's good to get what you need from other states. i hear you noted the governor of new york was, quote, much smaller in person than you expected. i just wanted that out there for the record. we'll leave it at that. no reason to respond. you take care. i'll talk to you next time. >> thank you, chris. i appreciate you. >> stay healthy. just had to keep it for the record. the washington redskins finally bowing to years of public pressure and dropping their team name. what took so long? i don't know. who cares at this point. the question is, what does this mean about other teams with controversial names? should it mean anything? now, this is a good conversation. bob costas, legend, navajo nation president legend dealing with covid like almost no other place in the country, they take up this conversation and the
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after mounting pressure from corporate sponsors, and years of advocates pushing. the washington redskins decided, today, to change their name. removing the monicker, which so many people consider offensive to native americans. nava navajo nation president called the moment a historic day for all indigenous peoples around the world. nez joins us now. we, also, have with us cnn contributor bob costas. in a 2013 essay, he laid out the case against the team using the name redskins. gentlemen, thank you. president nez, how big a deal is this? what does it mean to you? >> chris, thank you for having me on the show again. and i am -- never thought i'd be
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having a sitdown with two legends, of course, too. chris cuomo and bob costas. you know, it is a great deal fo. i think, you know, really, the attention has been placed on native americans throughout this country. and, you know, with this pandemic that hit us hard, you know, we got national attention. and, you know, i think this plays a factor into some of the decisions that are being made here. especially, in terms of renaming the redskins. and, you know, i commend the nfl. i commend the washington team for re-evaluating their name. and, you know, this name, redskins, is a disparaging term that is used. and if anybody were to use that, and i think, you know, bob mentioned this the other day. if any other team were to use this term, in the 21st century, it wouldn't even be considered.
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and, you know, today, we are moving forward and in a positive direction for tribal communities, throughout the united states. >> mr. president, just quickly, give us the state of play of how you're dealing with the pandemic now. have you gotten more attention from the federal government? what is the state of play with cases and sickness and deaths? >> well, chris, you know, i appreciate you having us on your show. and your brother andrew helping us out during our -- this tough time, you know. nationally, we were up high in covid positive. but i want to commend the that have show peoplthat hav people. and bold leaders listened to the public health professionals. they said wear masks, social distance, wash hands, and stay home. and many of our public-health
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orders have followed in that recommendation. and we actually even mandated some -- some of these provisions, like wearing masks. back in april, we mandated our people to wear masks. and we're still in shelter in place. we do 57-hour weekend curfews. we're actually in a curfew right now every weekday, and that has helped flatten the curve and reduce the numbers here. >> bob, the significance of corporate pressure can't be missed in this. how does it change the state of play for washington to change their name? >> well, i've always said, and i've said it a few times on cnn in the last 48 hours, that the name redskins is distinct from chiefs, braves, warriors. these others will have to be considered, on a case-by-case basis. and i think it's not so much the names, in those cases. it would be the symbols and the rituals, if they were objectionable. and they'd have to consult with the proper people associated with native americans to reach a
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compassionate decision. but when it comes to the redskins, this should've been cut and dry, long ago, chris. every dictionary defines redskins as insulting, a slur, derogatory, pejorative. by kdefinition, chiefs, braves, warriors, are not defined that way. and as president nez mentioned a moment ago, can you imagine a team in the 21st century starting out naming itself something like the redskins? and what is the equivalent of redskins, when applied to any other ethnic group? it's a shame that it took this kind of pressure. corporate pressure. not so much the building sense of social justice or the reexamination of some of the names associated with various teams and entities. that wasn't, so much, what brought it about. and it wasn't that, all of a sudden, they saw the light. it was the corporate pressure. it was fedex. it was nike. it was pepsi and other entities associated with them. but no matter how you get there, they've arrived at the proper
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decision. >> let's talk about what, going forward, it looks like because we've all arrived at the same conclusion. people in power, politicians, ceos, they often act out of fear of consequence, faster than they will out of good conscience. so, bob, in terms of process, what does it look like going forward for washington? but also, for other schools. like, the fighting irish, does that now have to be removed? what does the process look like? >> they are calling themselves the irish now. some people may call themselves fighting irish. and just as two examples, the florida state seminoles have arrangement with the seminole tribe. >> st. john's changed. >> yeah. and my alma mater, the syracuse orange used to be the orange men. so there have been lots of changes. in fact, miami of ohio, as i recall, wasn't until some years
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ago actually named the redskins. and they changed their name as well. so i'm not sure exactly that it's a one size fits all thing. but when it comes to the washington team, i know that president nez has suggested the code talkers tozas a possible n name because it pays tribute not just to native americans but native americans as patriots because they were an important role in the war effort. >> this is a continuing conversation because it's how our culture will move. bob, welcome to the family. you know i've been a fan of yours for a long time. mr. president, i told you when we first spoke, you can't be forgotten. you are apart of the family. either, we all make it together here or none of us will. you are always welcome on the show. you always have the platform. thank god your constituents are listening. president nez, thank you. bob costas, thank you and be
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well. god bless both of you. we're coming back.
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