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hello, i'm kate baldwin. thank you for joining me. let's let science lead the way today. dr. fauci speaking out and warning that we shouldn't be concerned about any fear of a second wave in the fall only because the crisis in the country right now is so urgent we really can't. >> we had a baseline of about 20,000 cases a day has now gone up to 30, 40, 50, 60 and even 70 on the last count. so we have to do something about that. that is something we need to address. it is a significant issue. people keep talking about the possibility of a second wave in the fall. that's a historic terminology related to another time and another outbreak. i think we need to concentrate on where we are right now
because if you talk about waves, we're really essentially still in the first wave when you're having, you know, up to 70,000 new infections in certain areas of the country, that is something you need to focus on right now as opposed to looking ahead at what will happen in september or in october. >> dr. fauci also weighed in on the ongoing and frankly ridiculous debate over face masks. i'm sorry, you just have to put it that way at this point. remember, there are still state leaders such as the georgia governor who continue to resist requiring masks even though science said it is necessary to get through this. >> i could say as a public health official that i would urge the leaders, the local, political and other leaders, in states and cities and towns, to be as forceful as possible in getting your citizenry to wear masks.
masks are important. >> here is another way of thinking about it. as dr. fauci puts it, not wearing masks is slowing down reopening the country. think about it. and also try to wrap your mind around this. the country just shattered another record that seemed unthinkable just weeks ago. more than 77,000 new infections reported yesterday. that is more than triple the number of covid cases from one month ago. look at this. we're going to show you the map and you could see the problem just by looking at the colors. 38 states are going in the wrong direction. only four have reported fewer cases in the last week. the nation's epicenter, florida, reporting new record numbers of deaths with the virus killing 156 people. it is one of ten states to hit a new high in deaths in a single day this week. nationally the number of people in the hospital because of the virus continues to rise as well. more than a dozen states seeing the highest seven-day averages
this week. any way you slice it, as you look at the graphics, it looks like the country right now is losing the battle against this virus. this many months in. joining me now is dr. rashiel wollinski and chief of infectious disease division at ma general. it is nice to see you again. we just hit the 77,000 mark new cases in one a day. do you think it is possible at this point to stop the country from hitting the terrifying marker that dr. fauci had warned about of 100,000 cases a day, do you think the country could still stop it or at this point with the rate at which we're breaking these records and jumping up in new cases, is the horse out of the barn? >> good afternoon, kate. good to be with you. i think that the nation needs to do everything it can to stop the number of cases. i can't tell you where it is going to peak. i worry that this is going peak
at over 100,000. in the stay-at-home orders at the end of march our case count was five times than when we had stay-at-home orders. >> i want to interrupt you but i want to make sure people are is will -- is listening to what you said. there were 55,077,000 new cases yesterday and you have to unnumb yourself to get perspective on what that actually means, doc. >> that is exactly right. and what is even more worrisome is after those stay-at-home orders at the end of march, we saw a really precipitous incline in numbers of new cases up until mid to end of april. april 24th. so whatever it is that we do now, we're going to continue to see a precipitous incline for about a month. now i don't mean to say that we can't stop things because i promise you that there are a lot
of people left to infect. like about 300 million. but i think that what we really need to do now is to do our absolute best to shut this virus down because i worry about what comes ahead. >> and the way you put it, i think is so crystal clear and posh for people to hear. dr. fauci is laying out a brutal wake-up call when he said forget about the worry about a second wave in the fall, the problem now is so urgent, the here and now is the ome thing we should be focused on. what does that say about the trajectory of where things are headed? >> i think it is absolutely right. i think if you just simply look at the numbers, your right, we're numb to the numbers. what we had in april, that is a wave. what we have right now is a tsunami. it is five times bigger. and, in fact, when we look at the deaths that we have
tragically seen over the last many months, we have many more of those ahead because we know the deaths are a lagging indicator, four to five weeks after what has happened in tests and new diagnose. last week we saw 450 through diagnoses, if four or five weeks, that is going to mean at least 4,500 to up to 60 thousands. >> i want to get your thoughts on what you think of this unpublished now public document that was prepared for the white house task force that showed that at least 18 states are in such a bad spot that they should be rolling back reopening, and locking back down. this is showing the map, the states on the list. it seems like this would be pretty key information to help convince the public to get on board with any type of measure. it doesn't make any sense to not
something like this public. >> no, i have been sort of screaming it from the rooftops as well. if you have 10,000 new cases a day, it is irresponsible to not think of how you could save the public and the people by doing everything in your power to stop everything, shut things down and stop this virus and then we could start talking about how we can safely think about this again. >> that is right. a real re-set is in front of us. whether we want it or not or accept it or not at this point. doctor, thank you very much. in florida, things are also getting worse. the state is reporting more than 11,000 new coronavirus infections in a single day. and that is also more than 100 deaths of florida residents for the fourth straight day. and now florida is leading the country with the most covid infections per capita with 55
cases for every 100,000 people. rosa flores is miami for us. rosa, they keep talking about potentially needing to shut back down, talking about it in miami especially, how close are they now? >> reporter: you know, it depends on who you ask. because city of miami mayor francis suarez said yesterday he was a few days away from that threshold. i just asked miami-dade county mayor carlos jiminez and he said he's not there yet. and they're looking at the same data. here are the facts. the positivity rate in miami-dade today is 27%. the icu capacity is at 119%. yesterday it was 107%. the goal for the county is not to exceed 70%. now here are the numbers. miami-dade reports 386 icu beds
available but 459 patients. now the good thing is that they do have other beds that they could transfer over to icu beds. but that is definitely not the place where any countries around this country want to be. as we learn that 12 employees in the eoc in tallahassee tested positive. four of them just yesterday. this is according to the communications director for the florida division of emergency management who also said that the florida where they were working was closed and that it is going to be cleaned and, kate, they're scheduled to reopen on monday and they do say individuals are working from home to the covid response here in florida continues. >> thank you so much. coming up for us, masks are now a major legal fight in georgia. the governor pushing ahead with suing atlanta mayor. i'm going to talk to stacey abrams about what this means for her state's fight against the virus, next. plus, that unpublished white
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a debate over case coverings has become a political and legal bat until georgia. republican governor brian kemp is suing the mayor of atlanta keisha lance bottoms over the mask mandate in place for the city and he is not backing down today. >> i'm confident that georgians don't need a mandate to do the right thing. instead of issuing mandates that are confusing and unenforceable i'm asking that all enforce the current executive order. >> but that current executive
order keisha lance bottoms said is putting lives in danger. >> what i see happening is that the governor is putting politics over people. we all know, the cdc is in our own backyard, the cdc has said that wearing a mask will stop the spread of this virus overwhelmingly people in atlanta support a mask mandate. and so it is a waste of taxpayer money and we are spending time fighting each other when this virus doesn't understand politics and it doesn't respect that it is a state or the city. >> joining me right now is stacey abrams, former georgia gubernatorial candidate and founder of fair fight action. thank you for being here. you heard more of what governor kemp said this morning. georgians don't need a mandate to do the right thing, he says. what do you say to that? >> i would say that the evidence of our eyes belies the notions
that he may hold. we know that georgia is one of the 18 states that has the fastest growing cases of coronavirus. we know that a disproportionate number of black and brown communities are affected and these people are compel the by state and federal law if they want to keep their jobs, they have to keep going to work to expose themselves. we know the best evidence, from an unpublished task force report from the white house said that mandating masks is a good thing. and this notion that a mandate, if can be enforced shouldn't be issued would undermine most of the laws in our country. one of the reasons we require things is to signal that partly sunny important and suggesting that people take care of themselves and those around them is an insufficient way to address a scourge and a pandemic. >> you hit on one of the reasons that the governor gives for why he doesn't -- you can't mandate masks because he said it can't be enforced.
but another reason he's laid oust more than once is that he thinks mask man dates hurt business. do you see that? >> given that the largest retailer in the country and in the world, walmart, are going to require masks undermines that argument. it is not suv to say that he want to reopen the economy by killing our consumers and that is the choice he's telling us to make. and while he's using atlanta as a proxy, this is a war against savannah, augusta, a war against the people of georgia who elected him to lead, not to suggest. >> one thing that mayor bottoms brings up is that the govern named her personally in the lawsuit along with city council. and that has more than -- more than a small group of people suggesting that one goal here, then, it looks like from the governor is to try to tarnish a potential democratic vice presidential candidate as she is being talked about and you are
as well. do you think that is at least in part what the governor is doing here? >> i do my best not to investigate the political motives of brian kemp because what he's been willing to do to the people of georgia with the secretary of state and as governor suggest that he does not care about the people of georgia. but what i will say is that his targeting of mayor bottoms, his targeting of mayor johnson and mayor davis and his willingness to throw aside the needs of people they serve, the constituents he swore to serve is a signal of his lack of moral leader slip. >> it is a bit head scratching. because if you take it on face, the position is confusing. he's encouraging people to wear masks. he even went on a statewide tour to promote mask wearing. but still he does not see and he
will not mandate it. i'm trying to figure out, look, you ran against him in a contentious governor's race so you've been around his politics more than most, you could explain that contradiction or confusion of how he's laying this out. >> this isn't confusion. brian kemp is a crow ard. he's afraid he'll alien ate the president of the united states who has symbolled his ambivalence about masks and alienate a republican party may not stand with him in re-election if he goes against the minority declaring that masks are somehow an infringement on their liberty but he's a coward because he refuses toute the pulpit of leadership to tell people what they need to do to save their lives but the vulnerable around them. this is not a moment of couldn't raw diction or confusion, it is an act of cowardice.
>> if the governor made the mandate, they would still vote for him if they voted for him before. on topic of joe biden's running mate, the vice president is in the final stages of vetting and expected to make the announcement at the beginning of next month. have you had a direct conversation with joe biden about the vp spot since the vetting process began? >> i refer all questions about vetting to the biden administration -- the biden campaign. >> and i appreciate that very succinct answer if they are under consideration. how have you found, can you describe, how have you found this process to be? it is an unusual thing. >> are you talking about the campaign? >> no, the vetting process. you've been very vocal about what you know your capable of and what you would like to do.
and the vetting process for a vice presidential candidate is i think one of the more unique processes that there is in american politics. how you have this vetting process? >> i will say that i've spent 16 months answering the question would i be willing to service as vice president and i recently got the question am i capable. i responded to both of those questions in the affirmative because it is critical to me that we speak -- that we answer questions directly when we can and that we always, especially as a woman of color, that i never diminish what i believe i'm capable of or the capacity of others who look like me. but i, again, say that the process itself is being run by the biden campaign and i direct all questions about the process to them. >> and i know you like to answer questions directly. this is particularly a position that i know you find yourself in with having to redirect to the biden campaign. but regardless, it is great to see you. >> well, kate, it is a direct
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new today, an unpublished report put together for the white house coronavirus task force spotlights 18 states they believe should roll back reopening plans. these 18 states are all what they consider in the red zone. reporting a concerning level of new cases and test positivity rates. the report, which was obtained first by the center for public integrity, is important information in and of itself. but especially when you contrast that message with the exact opposite message that you hear from trump. why wasn't this report released. what should states do with this now. joining me now is andy slavic from the centers for medicare and medicaid. what is you're reaction to, i'm sure you've looked through some of the report, what is your reaction to this?
>> well, there is a lot of information in there. and it is information that needs to be shared with the american public. why is that not there? if i lived in one of the 18 states and i knew that the white house believed that stronger action was taken to keep me safe, i would be enraged. and if i didn't live in one of those states i would worry when it comes to me, the white house isn't going to look out for my best interest. so the question is what he looking out. is that a political document to try to figure out how to manage things? he needs to explain this. >> so folks now, this is 359 pages that includes clear bullet points going state by state including public messaging, what should be open and should be closed, depending on the date and what needs -- and what needs to happen depending on the state, rather, and what needs to happen with testing efforts in a given state.
it is, as you said, a lot of information and i look through this and i'm trying to come up with a good reason to keep this from the public. >> well, you know, you point out some really interesting things here which is the public needs to understand that what we need to do now is not a big mystery. we've been at this virus six months or so and every country that we could name 15 to 20 countries that have proven what you need to do to stay safe because they've gotten the death count close to zero and their economies are open. so we could copy those things here. clearly someone is put that into a report for the president and all he can say is there is too much testing and that is not a big problem and it is going to go away. and yet he has access to that information. i could tell you that if this happened under george w. bush or barack obama or george h.w. bush
this was none an iran contra scandal and not releasing it to protect the public. >> one thing that we don't know how much of this information made it to the states. but it is all out there. and people really should be looking at this. you had an interesting take on locking down yesterday, i want to read part of it of what you wrote. because i did find it very interesting. you said forcing so many to work coupled with skeptics and the rolling nature and air and car travel, our lockdown was soft and so were our results. we lessened the pain but extended it. another word for soft my dad would have used is half-assed. what you trying to get at when you talk about this soft versus hard lockdown that you say that the country needs right now. >> i think we're facing this choice again as we continue, which is that so far we've shown
we're not willing to suffer any short-term pain for long-term gain. so we take a shorter period of time and really lockdown. like it is happening in greece and italy and asia and new zealand. it is not fun but it is over with much more quickly and the virus gets crushed. because it is t has nowhere to go. the transmission rate is less than .5 and whether that is done there is no more virus in the country. obviously more cases will be introduced as people travel into the country. but then you could contain them and then you have ample amount of testing and contact tracing. so we did not do that. we did take some steps and did reduce transmission for sometime and i think that is great. but we really have to have the debate in this country about whether or not it makes sense to really do it the way that might feel a little more challenging
for a shorter period of time but will save a lot of lives and get people back to work. >> yeah. thanks for coming in. it is good to see you. this just in, california's governor has just ordered schools in most counties in the state not to reopen for in-person teaching and learning. all private and public schools in 33 counties on california monitoring list as they describe it will now be required to close under the governor's new guidance. that accounts for more than 80% of the state's population. also this just coming in right now, we have new reporting on what is driving the president's push for, well the exact opposite of what newsom is saying. his push for all schools to reopen nationwide with students in the classrooms. it is re-election. cnn's pamela brown has the new insight and joining me now. it is good to see you. what are you learning? >> reporter: well, we're learning about the calculation that was made in the white house for this big push you're seeing from the president and white
house aides for schools to reopen in the fall as we have seen play out over the last several weeks, the president, the press secretary and other officials have been largely inflexible and adam ant that all schools should reopen in the fall and they didn't really lay out a specific plan about how that would happen and of we know the president has bhn critical of the cdc guidelines so far. and part of calculation behind the scenes that was made this summer is that this push that we're seeing play out would be, could be a political win for the white house if schools open safely in the fall. because it would appeal to a very important group of the population for the president. and that would be white suburban women. officials in the white house believed that if they could make this push, if they could successfully make this happen, that it could perhaps get white suburban women on the side of the president as we've seen support among them have softened toward the president. and he needs their vote in order to win a second term.
also, it was viewed as critical for an economic revival to open schools. in fact, we have learned, kate, me and my colleagues, kevin lip tack and sarah westwood, in the springtime aides were going to the president saying we need to focus on opening schools, at a time when the president was more focused on opening houses of worship and other places. but at that time the president wasn't focused on that and wasn't interested and then we learned in june economic advisers presented this information to the president making the case that it is critically important for kids to go back to skool for the economy and politically. and we heard from kayleigh mcenany about the mental health reasons, that kids should go back to school, the public safety reasons and that data is still very much up for debate. but i could tell you, in talking to white house officials, they've been taken aback to some degree to see the school
districts defiant of the white house encouragement, polls showing 71% of parents were concerned to send kids back. some of the white house officials have said they were surprised. they thought that this would be a nonpartisan issue. that most people would be on board with this. and they've been taken aback by that and we'll stir waiting for more guidance from the cdc on school reopenings. and we've also learn that dr. birx on the fask force is working on a separate report for the science to back up and make this case. kate. >> when you threaten taking money away when what is needed is more money to put in place the safety measures that the cdc has laid out, you're going to get backlash from the people who have to put this into action in the ground. thank you for bringing the reporter. appreciate it. coming up next, i'm going to talk to a tennessee mayor who just tested positive. he and his wife and his message to other state leaders now.
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writing this, i'll read you a portion of it, fortunately our symptoms are mild but they are present. we will continue to self-isolate until the virus runs its course. this virus is serious and does not discriminate. please remain vigilant. that is from mayor chaz molder and he joins me now. thank you for being here. how are you and your wife liz doing? >> thanks for having us. we're doing okay. there is obviously a lot of scare. we have three small children and we've been following this news really since the pandemic began. so, we definitely have scare. but we're feeling okay and knock on wood that will continue. >> do you know how you guys got it? >> you know, that's obviously been what we've been trying to think of over the last several days. my wife began experiencing symptoms on tuesday morning. we immediately went and got tested. and immediately self-isolated as a result of her covid-like
symptoms and have been doing so ever since. but where we got it, we have no idea and that is the scary part of the virus. is that so many people are carrying the virus asymptomatic and just because she happened to have symptoms, we had the wherewithal to get tested so we didn't spread the virus in the time between taking the test and getting our results back. >> i've seen you say that you i guess maybe a silver liner is that you want to serve as an example, for people to learn from your experience. that this hits everyone and can hit everyone. and also you have been pushing in your city for everyone to be wearing a mask in your city. but the authority that came down from the governor, the authority to order a mask mandate is with the county mayor. dr. fauci said people not wearing masks is slowing down the country getting able to
reopen. do people get that? >> you know, unfortunately i don't think they do. at least not our governor. i understand the governor of our state has a very tough job at moment but unfortunately it requires tough decisions and until we have a uniform plan in place in this state, to kbahat this virus, my fear is that the numbers will continue to rise. here in my home county the positive rate over the last seven days is 12%. we've seen a huge rise in cases over the last several weeks. and, you know, the mandate itself is important. and we're being told that by medical professionals, dr. fauci and also by even state professionals, medical professionals and our local hospital has been advocating for mask mandate because we know pursuant to the medical advice how important it is. and it is one small thing that could be done to help limit the spread. and we're now seeing private corporations making sacrifices
unfortunately in absence of leadership. we're seeing them on the private side have to make decisions regarding mandates. but it should be government's responsibility to step up to the plate, exercise leadership, and let's really knock this virus out and until we see that here at home, unfortunately, i think the numbers will continue to rise. >> sorry to hear that. and also sorry to hear about your testing positive. but mayor, you look well, i hope that stays that way. thank you for coming in. >> kate, thanks for having me. >> sure thing. still ahead for us, a question from kareem abduhl-jabbar, where is the outrage over anti-semitism in sports and hollywood. w. kamau bell will join me next to talk about that and his new season of "united shades of america." ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance
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five years ago, w.kamau bell interviewed members of the ku klux klan in kentucky and arkansas. this weekend he's back with a new season taking on the issue of white supremacy again but with a whole new lens, this time in pittsburg where the tree of life synagogue was attacked. >> it's not upon you to finish the task, but you're not absolved from trying. so you may not get to that pot of the rainbow, but that doesn't mean we're letting you off the hook from trying, at least making a few steps of more progress. >> to get a little mlk on it, no matter what our race, creed, or religion, if we all do that every day to work to make the world a little bit better, it gets better. >> absolutely. >> i can't help but think of my
mom in moments like this, hearing her talk to her friends about racism and activism. she was playing martin luther king jr. records in the house. and at the time i was, like, why do we have to -- can't we put some temptations on? and to stand and realize that she was building the bridge for me to be here talking to you. >> you can honor your mother by doing the same thing to your kids. >> yes. >> so good. i'm so sad we can't be together, my friend. this clip, you're talking about building a bridge between black and jewish americans. it's interesting because kareem abdul-jabbar just put out an essay where he calls out the recent string from celebrities and the relative silence about it. i want to read a part of it. he wrote, the lesson never changes. so why is it so hard for some people to learn? no one is free until everyone is free, as martin luther king jr.
explained, injustice everywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. we are caught in an inescapal. i was wondering kind of in the context of what you take on this season. what do you think of what he's saying? >> i mean, that's absolutely true. let's be true. kareem abdul-jabbar is not only a black man. he is a muslim. and those communities are often pitted against the jewish community. he sat at the table with muhammad ali when muhammad ali was standing up against the vietnam war. so kareem abdul-jabbar knows what he's talking about. and he was doing work of intersectionality before and that was a buzzword. i felt the same thing with everything with covid is that there's an uptick with asian-americans and black people were pitted against each other. and i got some pushback from people in the black community because they, quote, unquote,
never stand up for us. but racism is wrong full stop. anti-semitism is wrong full stop. and whenever it happens it is our job to speak out against it or else we're supporting it. >> at the end of this episode, you have a conversation with your mom because you mentioned your mom where you talk about the aspects of racism that she's faced and overcome. what is her view where things are today? i mean, the important renewed focus on social justice that's happening right now? >> i mean, i say this in the episode, i never said it to my mom before, but to see how excited she was when obama was elected and how much she felt like her life and her journey and the struggle of black people in this country had meant something. then for her to see trump elected. i said i kind of wish she had passed away and i didn't mean that but i just felt sad that she had to see the country go in that direction. but for her to be alive with this right now with all the
people in the streets. she lives in oakland so she can hear the protests when they happen. she can hear the helicopters. she feels like this is new energy and this feels different from the civil rights movement. and i think she has some optimism now that she didn't have during that conversation. >> that's like the thesis when you started the series. and -- but this season, are you approaching this season differently than you did in the past, in past seasons of this show because we're in the middle of all of this? >> i mean, we sort of had the -- weird to say benefit, but we were editing this episode on white supremacy. while we were editing it, covid hit really hard. and we're, like, okay, we should include some of this because a lot of issues with covid and how it affects black and brown people are tied to white supremacy. and then the protests happened. so this first episode is going to feel pretty ripped from the
headlines in a way that, like, i'm not happy all this happened. but i do feel like it makes it clear that the argument we're making against white supremacy is being played out before us every day on the news. we're always trying to make this feel as relevant as possible. but also it sort of ends up that we sort of predict the future sometimes. >> unfortunately and fortunately all wrapped in one. it's so good to see you back on air. it's so good to have the season back on. thank you. so be sure to watch "united shades of america" sunday night 10:00. we'll be right back. save hundreds on your wireless bill
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