tv New Day Weekend With Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul CNN July 19, 2020 3:00am-4:00am PDT
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another day, another incredible surge in coronavirus cases across the united states. >> a little frustration, a lot of anger that we're in this place. we shouldn't have been in this position. we are the example of why masks are important. >> mayor bob's mask mandate cannot be enforced. >> the people in our state a dying. perhaps the governor doesn't know anyone who lost a loved one to covid-19. i do. >> we cannot give up now. we cannot give in. >> no. >> keep the faith. keep our eyes on the prize. >> i think he is probably one of
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the more greater titans over the last century. >> his youthful spirit and his fight was very con tanl us and filled everyone up that was around him. ♪ good sunday morning to you. i'm victor blackwell. you're watching "new day." it's july 19th. >> i'm abby philip in today for christi paul. >> so the coronavirus pandemic has now killed more than 600,000 people around the world. but the epicenter is right here in the u.s. covid-19 is killing hundreds of americans a day. >> for a fifth day in a row, texas reported more than 10,000 new cases. in an effort to speed up testing, the fda approved new pool testing. that means samples up to four people could be tested at once. >> in an interview scheduled to air today, president trump will not consider a national mask
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mandate because of his investment in pefrrsonal freedo >> in the meantime, a new senate bill is pitting the white house against senate republicans. a source tells cnn that the trump administration wants to block further funding for the c contact tracing in stimulus spending. >> two counties under curfew to try to fight the spread. governor ron desantis has not implemented mask mandates. >> there are alarming new coronavirus numbers coming from florida. the latest from health officials on saturday. more than 10,000 new infections and 90 deaths in one day. >> all the mayors and commissioners and managers are very trushoubled and we're consulting to figure out what the next step will be to help us get this down and reduce the trajectory. >> florida governor ron desantis told reporters that the state will not prosecute people for
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not wearing masks. texas is also reporting shocking numbers. more than 10,000 people tested positive in that state again on saturday. and health systems are being stretched. >> there are parts of the state that are seeing so many cases with intensive care units so stressed that are asking for the ability to exert some local control, make choices that are the right choices for their city and i wish my governor would give that to them. >> coronavirus cases are rising sharply in georgia, too. the governor and the mayor of atlanta are fighting over how to handle the pandemic. >> with the governor's efforts around trying to mandate that we couldn't enforce our local executive orders, many of our cities across the state of georgia enacted them anyway out of an abundance of caution and concern for our cities. >> the cdc is offering new guidance for people who tested positive for coronavirus. whether they have symptoms or are asymptomatic.
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they made quick isolating after symptoms appeared as long as 24 hours passed since the last fever without use of fever medication. or if a fever has passed without use of meds and two tests taken more than 24 hours apart come back negative. >> the cdc is giving us a better sense of the calipers when the period is. the same point that the public should understand remain clear. number one, everybody ought to be masking and staying socially distant because you may not know that you're spreading it before you have symptoms or without symptoms. if you have symptoms, after those symptoms subside, we have a better sense of when you can assume that you're not shedding virus. this is really what the cdc is explaining to the public. >> with the surge of cases the last few weeks, models predict more than 150,000 deaths linked to covid-19 by august 8th. according to a forecast published by the cdc.
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coronavirus is spreading around the world. the world health organization reported more than a quarter million new cases. >> let's go now to kristen holmes at the white house live for us. president trump remains opposed to any national mask mandate on mask wearing. what is that all about, kristen? >> abby, that's right. this is more mixed messaging coming out of the white house. we heard all week from the nation's top health experts, members of the coronavirus task force who thaukd about how important it was to wear a mask. we know that the director of the cdc, robert redfield, this is what he said. he said if all of us put on a face covering for the next four to six weeks, we could drive this epidemic to the ground. now, that is what president trump took issue with when he was asked about a mask mandate. take a listen. >> i want people to have a certain freedom. i don't believe in that, no.
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i don't agree with the statement with everybody wears a mask everything goes away. our surgeon general, terrific guy says don't wear a mask. now all of a sudden everybody has to wear a mask. i'm a believer in masks. i think they're good. >> okay. so a lot to kind of break down here. one is, dr. fauci and the surgeon general did in fact say not to wear a mask early on in the pandemic. this was for two reasons. one, we didn't have enough information about what coronavirus was and how it spread. two, they were trying to save masks for the actual medical workers at that time. remember, there was a huge shortage of masks. the other thing that i want to point out here, masks have become a flash point here. a political, a cultural movement. people on one side saying that it really does infringe on their civil liberties. those people, many of them, are president trump's supporters. if we've learned anything over
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the past three years, president trump is not going to step on his base. on his supporters. no matter what these medical experts say, he's going to continue to do what he thinks is right in a sense of his election and winning in november. >> kristen, let me talk about the president's blocking billions of dollars in the next stimulus plan for money for testing, to the cdc, what do you know? >> that's right, victor. we're going to learn the details of the bill sometime this coming week. it becomes somewhat of a white house versus the republican senators when it comes to the funding for the cdc. now, these republican senators say they need more funding for tracing and testing as you said. the white house argument is well, the cdc still has money left over from the last stimulus bill back in march. but victor, one thing i think we can talk about personally is whether or not the cdc has money left over. there's a problem with testing in this country. it took you two weeks to get your results.
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it took my husband over nine days to get his. this is not a time to cut funding in any way when there's an issue that like in the country. this is not a unique situation. people are trying to get tested, waiting for ruts and there's clearly a back -- results and there's clearly a backlog. it's something the administration would want. >> i'm not sure how cutting funding for testing and to the cdc and for mitigation helps control the virus. let's put it to the next dwes. kristen holmes, thanks so much. an emergency room physician and executive director for the committee to protect medicare. let's start here with the report the white house is trying to block billions of dollars for the cdc, the pentagon and the state department to respond to the pandemic and billions more for testing and contact tracing in the states. politics aside, what does that mean for public health? >> good morning. thanks for having me here.
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i think for public health, it means we're still fighting this virus with at least one hand tied behind our backs. we do know it's taking over a week in some places to get results back. i was in my community, i used to be on the school board, having a conversation with our superintendent about putting kids back in school. if we don't have rapid turn-around testing what do we do with a kid or teacher who is positive. do they stay out for a sfwheek in businesses, do they shut down for a week? do we get rapid testing after 24, 48 hours and keep the economy and schools going? that's what we're battling. a president who hasn't believed testing is important and thinks it makes him look bad. it seems pretty clear he would try to block this. >> i mean, dr. davidson, it seems like groundhog day here. we're seeing the same kinds of stories. ppe shortages, testing delays, you know, problems with getting the supplies to complete these
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tests. and then these hospitals continue to fill up. at this moment, what do you think needs to be done at the federal level to reverse this trend where all of these data points seem to be heading in the wrong direction? >> the groundhog day is a perfect example. we need to do the same thing we needed to do in march and april and may. it feels like we are stuck in the mud on this. we need a national strategy. we need to have the white house and the administration use the defense production act to have a clear supply chain for tests for ppe, for protecting supplies, reagents. and then we need to have a white house administration modeling good behavior on wearing masks, even if they don't mandate it. masks do save lives. it's a simple act that people can do. in fact, we can do what the cdc director says, drive this into the ground if we do all of that together. >> let me ask you about what the
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president said in this interview that's going to air later today. you mentioned masks. the president said that keep in mind that masks cause problems too. is there any medical evidence that masks cause problems? >> there is zero evidence. honestly, none whatsoever. i said before kind of glibly, unless you wad it up and choke on it, a mask has zero risk. we have patients with chronic lung disease, and they wear a mask and i wear it for eight hours in a shift. i don't understand where any of that comes from, except it seems like a way to allow their -- give credence to the politics to masks and it's inexplicable. >> it seems entirely political at this point. i want to ask you about another thing the president seems to be obsessed with in some ways. he believes the death rate is low and that that is a sign that we're doing really well as a
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country. what do you see in the data when it comes to the death rate. how much more time do we need to really see whether the cases that we're seeing now are going to be reflected in mortality? >> part of this is the great unknown of this virus and watching medical science play out before the 24-hour news cycle. usually this happens over a longer period of time in the background. we frankly don't know exactly how long it may take. we know in new york, all of the cases and deaths and hospitalizations popped up at once. but that was very early on. we don't know how long the virus was being transmitted to young people at lower risk for death. that remains to be seen. nonetheless, besides death, it talks about this a lot, a lot more goes into people with covid-19. people get blood clots, heart attacks. >> looks like we have a technical issue there, abby. thanks -- [ overlapping talking
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]. >> thanks to dr. rob davidson for being with us. >> still to come, the story of what's going on in portland, oregon where heavily armed tactical -- scattered protesters after they -- kcnn was on the scene as it unfolded. so many people are feel the loss of congressman john lewis. but, of course, the city he represented, atlanta, we'll speak with someone who knows what he meant to the city in a marginalized groups he fought for across this country. my skin gets so tired. this new olay serum feels so dewy, and hydrated... gives my skin an extra boost of life. it's full of energy. it finally matches me.
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>> full county -- without john lewis, i would not be a poll worker, we would not have the freedom to vote. just remembering all the successes, all of his contributions, the time with family, all that went into the energy that john gave to the community. >> he's changed the face of america. such a great man. such a great loss. >> a city in mourning and a nation in mourning this morning. the mural honoring icon john lewis seat auburn neighborhood is serving as a memorial to the 17-term georgia contributory negligence man. our next guest -- she is the daughter of jose a williams. facing troopers on the edmund pettis bridge.
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elizabeth is with us now. she's a human rights activist and runs the nonprofit. elizabeth, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> i know this is a tough day for you and so many in atlanta, so much in the civil rights community. tell me about what you remember about john lewis. when was the last time you had a chance to talk with him and be with him. >> i think it was just over a year ago when he allowed me to come to his office and put him on video supportive of feed the hungry and homeless. we did more than that, that day. we talked about how during the storm, a lot of his papers went out of the window. we talked about having his papers organized and cataloged and all of that because i was concerned about the history.
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and so since john lewis was like the baby of the top leaders, he came in at 17, 18, what is this kid doing here, where is his mother? he was like no, no, i'm here. i'm ready to lead. he was ready to lead from a very, very early age. we talked about that in his office as well. getting in good trouble, that was his message to me was that. you keep feeding the hungry, you're doing the right thing. you are the movement in action. >> yeah. what i think people don't -- many people don't know is how young he was. like you just said. 15, 16 years old. he was a teenager when he first started getting engaged in these issues. your father was with him on that
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bridge. i mean, growing up, hearing these incredible stories from these people who are part of your life, about what they went through, what was that like to learn from a john lewis and to learn from your father and others in the civil rights movement and to hear the stories of, frankly, the brutality that they experienced in those experiences? >> absolutely. they could take a beating. they knew that -- i think he said that he lost the fear of death. once you lose the fear of death, then the movement is perfect for you. because you're facing death every day. john lewis has said that [ inaudible ] found something worth dying for, you're not fit to live. he was the epitome of an example
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of how one man can overcome poverty. he did overcome a speech impediment. he did overcome not being, you know, popular guy. he did overcome all of that and we find him at the march of washington and trying to get him to not be so -- [ inaudible ] he wasn't a part of the movement. he became the movement. that's two different things. >> what you just said about him losing the fear of death, that sticks with you. because many people today do not understand what that means. especially for people who are as young as your father and as john lewis. elisabeth ohm lan i, thanks for joining us this morning. i'm very sorry for your loss and
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all of our losses. >> it will take time. but now we have the baton. we have to do the work now. so his life will not be in vain. we have to pick up that mantle and -- our work. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> still to come, police use tear gas and flash bangs to clear crowds after demonstrators pull down a security fence around a federal building. we'll take you there next. and now, there's boost mobility... ...with key nutrients to help support... joints, muscles, and bones. try boost mobility, with added collagen.
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federal agents detaining protesters. >> cnn's national security correspondent josh campbell is in portland with the latest. josh? >> reporter: another night of protests in the city of portland, oregon. this going on for well over 50 nights. this following the death of george floyd at the hands of police officers in minneapolis. what transpired here is something that we have seen night after night and, again, protesters coming out, demanding racial justice and an end to excessive use of force by police. the epicenter of the protests has been the building here. the federal building, courthouse, earlier today metal fences were set up to keep the protesters back. you can see what is left of the fences. they were dismantled in the span of about 20 minutes and pushed up against this building. on the other side of the doors are heavily armed, highly trained federal agents who have made their presence known. they came out and dispersed this
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crowd using tear gas and other tools to push the crowd back. we ourselves were tear gassed as we experienced that. we're told that will routinely happen here. again, you can see the crowd is back. they continue to protest. they want their issues to be heard here. one thing that is really fueling a lot of the anger in this crowd recently was a social media post that showed a man being arrested by two highly armed, heavily armed officers who approached this man, took him to an unmarked man where he was driven away. we later learned that those agents were from u.s. customs and border protection. we asked what happened to that man, whether he was charged, whether he was released. they have not yet returned our request for comment. that remains something that we continue to seek answers for. i can also tell you that there remains a standoff between federal and local officials here. local city officials want the feds out of here. there's been an influx of
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resources. nevertheless, president trump and acting homeland security secretary say the federal resources will remain. that is a real point of contention here by the protesters and the officials who want the feds out of here. yet to be seen how long the protests will continue here in oregon. josh campbell, cnn, portland. stay with us. because later this morning on cnn's state of the union, jake tapper will speak to ted wheeler, los angeles mayor, eric garcetti, ayanna pressley and tate reeves. that's at 9:00 eastern on cnn. 107 days to the november election. the trump campaign is making some changes. the president held a telerally. it's a first for the campaign. they're having problems adapting during the pandemic. it's happening as the president is changing his campaign manager. joe biden is leading in the polls. a new poll from the "washington
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post" shows the former vice president leading the president 55 to 40 among registered voters and a small percentage of the country approving to the president's handling of the coronavirus. let's bring in margaret talib. margaret, welcome back. >> good morning. great to be with you. >> let's start with the president explaining why we're not going to see the rallies in person. here's the president. >> i wanted to be with you. this is really replacing our rallies that we all love so much. we had great rallies in wisconsin and all over the country. unfortunately, until this gets solved and we're doing really well with the therapeutics and vaccines. we have to do this. i'm doing tell fon i can rallies. >> this was a problem in tulsa and phoenix. he did those anyway. why the shift now? >> victor, there are a couple of
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things going on. one is, there was supposed to be a rally in new hampshire. it happened to be there was a storm moving through. the white house had political cover. there wasn't the interest in the rally you would want to see. some of this is the public speaking, including the president's base speaking. if you look at the poll you m s mentioned. more than half of the country now strongly disapproving. not just disapproving, strongly disapproving of the president's handling of the virus. some erosion inside the republican party as well. the erosion of republican support, erosion among evangelical voters. this is a combination of state and local laws, of advice from his health experts. also of public sentiment, telling him, dial back a little bit. do fundraising virtually by phone or online. the difference, i think, you'll see is that this white house is
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probably not going to stop doing rallies and stop doing public events. they will for now be dialed back from what the president wanted to be doing. >> the campaign has been critical of the vice president doing these videos, they say, from his basement. the president is going to be on the phone. does that mean we'll see more of the rambling rose garden speeches like we saw last week and what he did in atlanta a couple of days ago? >> what we saw him do at the rose garden is taking the power of the presidency and the bully pulpit of where you're supposed to govern entering into a campaign rally. to some degree that has to do with the coverage he gets. they're not covered. he's less likely to continue on that vain. some may have to do with the feedback from republican governors. all presidents use the bully pulpit. president trump is sofrt testing the limits of how he uses it. for joe biden, the virtual events have been very successful, especially when they're paired with people like barack obama and we saw biden
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catch up with trump in the last month. that's something the president is paying attention to also. >> let's look at one more element of the poll here from abc news "washington post." they were asked who they trust to handle the pandemic. in march, within a margin of error. joe biden has a 20-point advantage. 54-34. does the campaign think they can compensate for this somewhere else or that this number has to change heading into november? >> well, the numbers clearly have to change. but the president's approach strategically so far has been to try to change those numbers by the president's enthusiasm for biden. by questioning biden's tactics and biden's missions. his approach until now has not been really to change his own handling of the virus and how you contain it and prioritize the economy versus -- it shows a
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flip in public sentiment where we saw many concerned about the economy and -- now a flip where getting control of the virus is americans' priority, even above the economy. >> margaret talev, thanks for joining us. enjoy the week. >> you too. thanks, victor. be safe. when we come back. two red-faced republicans apologize after mistakenly posting tribute photos of ee lie -- elijah cummings instead of john lewis. here's another cleaning tip from mr. clean. cleaning tough bathroom and kitchen messes with sprays and wipes can be a struggle. there's an easier way. try mr. clean magic eraser. just wet, squeeze and erase tough messes like bathtub soap scum... and caked-on grease from oven doors.
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so this is not an episode of -- two republican senators join millions of americans yesterday in paying tribute to congressman john lewis. but both, unfortunately, used a picture of the wrong person, the wrong congressman. >> with us now is brian stelter, host of reliable sources. stelter, when i saw this, i saw first rubio's and i thought, that's bad. then i saw another one. i thought, two senators got this wrong? >> two out of 100 senators. both getting this wrong, both within hours. neither learning from the other. what can you say? this is humiliating for the senators. i hope they and their staffs learn a thing or two from this episode. here's what rubio originally posted. rubio and sullivan were honoring
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the late john lewis talking about how inspiring a figure he was. but they posted a picture of elijah cummings. cummings passed away last october. he's the last to pass away before lewis. the two men have been mixed up over the years. lewis joked that cummings was younger than him so he took it as a compliment. all kidding aside, this is embarrassing for both senators and they both followed up to correct the record. rubio updated the tweet. sullivan's office apologized for the mixup. this is something real called the cross-race effect. they find white people make these mistakes because they're not exposed often enough to enough minority faces growing up. there is real science behind this kind of problem. that does not excuse a sitting senator from mixing up the late john lewis and the late elijah cummings. i hope both of their staff help
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them figure this out in the future. >> i didn't know there was real science behind that, though. i'm surprised to hear that. >> you would think -- >> it's mostly with white people. the studies find that blacks, hispanics, they're better able to recognize faces of other races, ethnicities because growing up, because you're african american, you're asian american, you're exposed more often to white people. it's more of a problem for white people. go figure. >> two senators who knew the individuals in real life would not make that mistake, you would think. >> would not. >> this interview with roger stone. he called into a radio station yesterday and called the host a racial slur. what is going on? >> yale. this -- this is on the mo kelly show. the host is reacting to this overnight saying this is something that really shocked him live on the radio. roger stone was on this program,
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he was getting some tough questions from mo kelly. and then he seemingly said to someone else in the room that he didn't want to be arguing with this man on the radio. roger stone used a variation of the n word. what mo kelly calls the diet version of it. something that's been offensive for decades. then tried to claim he didn't say it even though it was live on the radio and there's a recording and it's clear that roger stone said it. roger stone is a controversial offensive figure for decades. he's said things in the past. it's not shocking about roger stone. but on the heels of the president's commutation, it speaks to the company you keep. of course, president trump, roger stone, these are two peas in a pod. unfortunate unfortunately, this adds to the dialog about what the president and his allies and his supporters sometimes behave. it's sadly you have to add this to the pile. >> not the first time he's done
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for the same medications as the vet, but up to 30 percent less with fast free shipping. visit petmeds.com today. in just a few days, many of the financial protections put in place to help people affected by covid-19's financial fallout will end. the cares act, the program that protects millions of americans from evictions ends next week. the $600 federal unemployment benefits bonus comes to an end on july 31st. so for the first week, for the week ending in july 11th, 1.3 million people filed for benefits for the first time.
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>> those are just the new claims. as of july 4th, 17.3 million people who haven't been able to return to work continue to claim unemployment benefits. with us now, the author of the "washington post," syndicated personal finance column, the color of money. michelle singletary. welcome back. always good to have you on a sunday morning. >> hello. >> this additional money that's been coming in for people, how do they prepare for that and is there a way to prepare for it? >> it's going to be hard for a lot of families. i mean, we had a story in the "washington post" on mother's day, i got to choose between paying bills and putting food on the table. unfortunately, that is what tens of millions of people have to make that decision. in that case, i say and i've said before, you need to triage your bills. take the bills that are the most important, the emergency cases and that is putting food on the
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table. maybe that means you don't pay your electric bill or something else. the most immediate need has to be paid first and then you need to contact the other creditors, your landlord and people and say, listen, my benefits are ending. my restaurant or wherever i work is not open yet, this is my situation. how can we work together so that i can keep a roof over my head and food on the table? >> i mean, the eviction part of this is so tricky and the rules are so different in so many different places. do you have advice for people who might be facing the inability to pay their rent? maybe this is the first time they'll be facing that problem. what should they do to prepare for that? is there any legal recourse for them? >> the first call you make is to your landlord. absolutely. or to your lender if it's a mortgage. and all the lenders have put in
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place a way and -- i know a lot of the provisions are ending. so you can have an ability to pause your mortgage payment. i've talked to some landlords. many of them are willing to work with tenants. some are not. shame on them. i understand they've got bills to pay as well. but they've got to work together. call your lender. if you get a notice of eviction or that you need to go to court, don't ignore that notice. i know you're thinking, i don't have the money, whatever. but no, you can argue your case in court or you can come up with some sort of system in court. the judge can help you perhaps pay half your rent or something to that extent. don't ignore that. if you don't know what to do, a lot of areas have low-cost law programs, nonprofit organizations that will help you in this issue -- process. definitely make those two calls. the landlords and the nonprofits
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in your area. many of them have people on the line to help you figure this out. >> michelle singletary, thank you so much for being with us this sunday. enjoy the week. >> you too. >> thanks. a major league baseball player who had the coronavirus thought he was going to die. >> my body was really, really hot. i said, please don't take me. >> braves star freddie freeman shares just how quickly he went from feeling healthy to praying for his life. ee
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a baseball player says his symptoms from coronavirus were so bad his temperature hit 104 degrees. >> at that moment, atlanta braves baseball star freddie freeman prayed he would be able to survive. carolyn manno is with us. freeman said he couldn't believe how quickly all of this happened. >> that's right. good morning, abby and victor. his detailed account of his experience is a reminder of how dangerous this virus can be for absolutely anybody and it's a reminder of how fragile this return to sports is. you think about freddie freeman. this virus wreaked havoc on his syst system. he's in peak physical health, a professional athlete. after spiking a fever, he felt fine on friday, july 3rd. by 2:00 p.m., the symptoms really hit him and he said it was like a ton of bricks and got worse from there.
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>> friday night that was the scariest night for me. i spiked to 104.5 fever. i said a little prayer that night. i've never been that hot before. you -- my body was really, really hot. i said please don't take me. i wasn't ready. >> freeman said after losing his sense of taste and smell for four days, he's symptom-free. he returned to the field on friday. he's hoping to play in the season opener against the mets on friday. he's feel much, much better. but a scary few days. >> meantime, baseball is being played for the first time in four months. a preview of the safety measures to expect when the season begins. several yankees players wearing masks or bandanas. even while batting, in the field, the dugouts of citi field reaching into the stands. some of the umpires wearing plastic shields on sop of their face masks as well. this is a dress rehearsal for opening day set for next
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thursday. it is a stark reminder of what baseball will look like in the middle of this pandemic. it is not going to be the same. >> it's going to be a different kind of game. carolyn manno, thank you so much. the 100-year-old british world war ii veteran who raised $40 million for the national health service in the uk has been knighted by queen elizabeth. captain tom moore said he was absolutely overwhelmed meeting the queen. he worried if he knelt down being knighted, he might not get up. he was able to do it as the ceremony was on friday. >> here's the captain. he raised money in april. >> that is very sweet. victor, the queen had a busy day on friday. she also attended the covid wedding of her granddaughter, princess beatrice. you can see it was a small but
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extremely nice ceremony at windsor castle. the queen lent, her a dress. i guess you do that when you're the queen. >> what is that her wedding dress? >> apparently. it must be pretty nice. i would take it. >> kept it that long. >> i would take it. next hour of "new day" starts right now. another day, another incredible surge in coronavirus cases across the united states. >> a lot of frustration, a lot of anger that we're in this place. we shouldn't have been in this position. we are the example of why masks are important. >> mayor's mask mandate cannot be enforced. >> the people in our state are dying. perhaps none of them have lost a loved one to covid-19. i ha.
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