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to drink it and i always have my long board with me because you never know. you know what i mean? but yeah. i always have a long board with me or a skateboard. something. a different set of wheels. >> so the success has been crazy. so much success -- i like that, little dog action there. what did he have in his mouth, that dog? >> little neck pillow. >> he just wants you to relax, man, see? your whole life is about chilling out. even your dog wants you to get your chill on. so ocean spray finds out about it. they send you a truck because you had the car problem. you're selling merch, now, based on it. and you're just inspiring people to be cool and feel good, no matter what comes their way. is that the message? >> yeah, basically. i mean, like i said, i want everybody just to realize, you know, how life is hard but you can just take a simple minute out of your life to just reflect on happiness. you know what i mean?
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something that makes you smile. just get out there and do it. you know what i mean? you know what makes you happy and you can make yourself smile anytime, you know? and just continue to do that and your days will be brighter. >> look, i love it. i'm glad you have been rewarded for it. thank you for giving us a reason to smile when there's so much tough stuff going on. and to bring fleetwood back -- fleetwood mac back into people's minds as well. nathan apodaca, god bless, thank you, and be well, brother. >> thank you. >> take care. ordinarily, d lemon would kill me for taking up a minute and 12 seconds of his time. but i know he loved that. i know he loved it and i know people watching. >> i did not. you owe me a minute and 19 seconds. >> i'll give it to you two minutes early tomorrow night. >> i am a long border. actually, i just saw that guy last night. you know, the first thing i saw, i didn't see him. i saw the parody one of donald trump with the bleach, doing what he does with the ocean
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spray. and i -- and then, i ran across it on my instagram last night, his, and i said, oh, that's where that's been coming from. all i have been seeing is donald trump on a long board drinking bleach. and then, i saw him. you've seen that one, haven't you? >> i have. i've seen them all, now. because i was getting ready nfo this. but it's so big that i had one of those moments where i realized just in everyday life that i heard about this like six times in a day and a half. i was like i got to check this for a second. but it just shows you how just tight everybody is, don. they're so desperate. >> yes. and i always say we need to laugh. remember, i said during the whole -- when george floyd was happening that we needed to, in the moment, cut each other some slack because everybody was so tense. and everyone's so tense, now. i can't -- it's -- i -- how do i say this? i'm sick of it. i'm sick of all the craziness. i'm sick of the madness. i'm just sick of living without facts, without a common set of
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beliefs about what's real and what's not. i'm just really -- i -- i want our country to be united. i want people to be united, not divided. and i don't know if that's -- that's going to happen. and i feel like i'm living in a la-la land when i see people out, you know, not socially distancing, with no masks on. and the person who caught it because he didn't wear a mask is telling them it's okay. it's just -- it's beyond belief, really. >> but it is reality. it was interesting. cory booker, senator from new jersey, obviously, had that moment that's going viral, in its own way. about where he said this is not normal. my question to him was, isn't it? i mean, people elected trump. >> i'm not surprised by any of it. i'm just sick of it. but listen. why are you -- why are you, like, pushing him about court packing? because you're doing the republicans' work. >> no, i'm not. it's a legitimate question. >> it's not -- well, look -- it's not a legitimate question, in that, during the debate, the vice president raised a question. the moderator didn't raise the
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question. plus, it is -- this is -- this is something that -- this is a hypothetical. whether or not -- joe biden has said, twice, at least on tape that i have seen, how he feels about court packing. and i think it's a distraction from the republicans. >> then, why doesn't he answer it? >> because he doesn't have to. he doesn't have to answer it. >> well, he doesn't have to answer it but you don't think it's going to affect people's trust quotient? >> no, people aren't concerned about that. if you want to know specifically about the court, people are concerned about the republicans switching and being hypocrites on saying this is an election year. that's what people are concerned about. >> i think people are worried about that, too. you're right. >> people are also -- people are also concerned about where they are going to get their health care from. >> yep, they are worried about that, too. >> they're worried about their pre-existing conditions. we have had this conversation. you know what it has to do. as cory booker said, that's a legislative issue. >> and he didn't answer it, either. >> i don't think he has to answer it because i think it is a red herring because they don't want to talk about how mitch
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mcconnell has packed the court, over the years. >> yeah, but he should say that. that's the context for the discussion. i'm with you. >> mitch mcconnell has packed the courts. so if you want to ask about packing the courts, why don't you ask mitch mcconnell? >> ask both. >> that's the thing. >> i agree with you about half of it. i think it matters to people. i think you've got trump voters who aren't going to vote for trump this time, for various reasons. but this matters, and they want to hear biden, who is the better choice, in some people's minds, because he is -- >> it's never going to happen. the country will never let any -- they won't let anybody pack the court. it's a hypothetical. i'm sure there are some democrats who want to do it. >> there are a lot of democrats who say they want to do it. >> it's never, ever, ever going to happen. >> but how does it not ever happen, if they're in control of the house and the senate? >> i had this argument with you before and you talked about the amendments of the constitution. it's got to do all this. got to do all that. >> this is much easier than an amendment to the constitution, don. >> so, i just don't think it'll happen. i don't think the country's there. >> it may not happen but it
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doesn't mean it's not a legitimate question. we disagree. tell me to leave. >> no, i'm not going to tell you to leave. >> i want you to tell me to leave. >> because you hear it all the time. you're like a masochist. i tell you -- i tell you you have to leave my house, and now i'm telling you got to leave television. all right. i got to see ya. >> i love you, d lemon. >> you, too, my brother. what is that thing on your face? come on. get a razor. >> shut up. >> see ya. you shut up. >> you shut up. >> this is "cnn tonight." i am don lemon. you know we normally start off with, oh, my gosh. look at this, right? i just want to show you something, as we get started here. maybe, these are the crowd shots that people should be focused on tonight. check out these lines. these are people waiting to vote in georgia today. look at these lines. hours and hours and hours, in lines. that's how much it means to them to cast their vote in this election. that's how important this election is. we don't know who they're voting for. but it gives me an idea of where they are about how it may turn
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out. but we know it means enough to them that it is worth -- it's worth it to be heard. it's only 22 days until the election. 22 days until election day and the president, president trump, is on stage playing a part and it's not as convincing or as compelling as he thinks it is. nothing to see here. pay no attention to the deadly pandemic raging through the country. you know what he is? he's a serial recidivist. a repeat offender. reckless. that's never going to change. never, ever, ever going to change. and the people at his rally tonight, aren't going to change, even though some of them tell us that -- that they would, they'd change their behavior, they'd wear a mask, if he told them to. but he doesn't. so, they won't. talk about -- the -- the -- so if the president says don't wear
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a mask. you won't wear one. the president says wear a mask, you wear one. but the other side, we're sheep. okay. whatever. at a certain point, though, i say that because it's not about him. it's about them. it's really about everyone else. the people who sacrifice for others. isn't that, sort of, the -- the christianly thing to do? the christian thing to do? sacrifice for others? this is about the people who sacrifice for others, people who follow the rules-let peop, the o wear a mask, who don't see their friends and their parents. i haven't seen my mom since december -- january. because she lives in a hot spot. i've seen her on facetime. but i would love to hug and kiss my mom, but i can't. i don't. that's a sacrifice for me and for millions of other people. this is for the people who try to teach their kids, while they're working from home. or try to feed their kids, if
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they aren't working, at all. and behavior like we are seeing, tonight, and will see on the trump superspreader tour of america, increases the risk of the spread of the virus. it's all part of trump's ongoing unreality tv show. he wants us to believe what he says. not what's actually happening. in reality, the virus is getting worse. which is really bad news for the country, as we head towards the winter months. the number of cases, skyrocketing. we're now averaging about 50,000 new cases, per day. today, 31 states reporting an increase in cases. and the covid-19 death toll in the u.s., now, surpassing 214,000. the danger is real. florida, where all those people are tonight, seeing a rise in the number of new cases. and yet, a big rally, no social distancing, very few masks.
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dr. anthony fauci issuing this blunt warning. if anyone in the trump campaign would bother to even listen. >> we know that that is asking for trouble, when you do that. we've seen that when you have situations of congregate settings, where there are a lot of people without masks, the data speak for themselves. it happens. >> so, while trump was on his way to florida, his doctor, sean conley, put out a statement saying that the president has tested negative on consecutive days. and that trump is not infectious to others. do you believe that? hard to believe anything, with this administration. that's all the information conley or, really, trump is making available to the american public. using a test experts tell us if not meant to detect contagion -- it's not meant to detect contagion that way. reporters -- reporters can't dig
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deeper. okay? because dr. conley has not taken questions in the past. no doubt, at the president's direction. and the president is, also, claiming that he is immune, which isn't how this whole thing works. none of this is how any of this works. but that doesn't matter to this president. and doesn't matter, at all. what matters is taking the unreality show on the road because the president missed the adoring crowds. really, missed them, apparently. >> one thing, with me, the nice part. i went through it. now, they say i'm immune. i can feel -- i feel so powerful. i'll walk into that audience. i'll walk in there. i'll kiss everyone in that audience. i'll kiss the guys and the beautiful women and the -- everybody. i'll just give you a big, fat kiss. >> it's so pathetic, though. 214,000 americans are dead from covid. this is hardly a matter to joke about.
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just doesn't get it. he's not the only one campaigning without a mask, either. his son, eric, addressing trump supporters in menominee falls, wisconsin. no mask, in sight. look at that. rudy giuliani addressing trump supporters in philadelphia without a mask. and they're inside, both of those events, by the way. and no social distancing at the event. a key trump ally on capitol hill, utah republican senator mike lee, not wearing a mask at the confirmation hearing for trump's supreme court nominee. you will remember that lee tested positive for covid-19 11 days ago. he says he was cleared by his doctor, this morning, to attend the hearing. but no mask? really? what about taking precautions to protect fellow senators? you know, just in case. well, not in trump's washington. and there is trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, who got
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indignant with reporters, who asked him to keep his mask on. >> let me do this. let me pull this away. >> yep. pull away. >> and then, that way, i can take this off to talk. well, i'm more than ten feet away. i'm not -- well, i'm not going to talk. >> who are these people? really? i'm not going to talk to you because i don't want to wear a mask. i'm just going to run away. dr. fauci taking the trump campaign to task, by the way, for using a clip of him in a campaign ad, without his consent. and saying they took his words out of context. here's part of the ad. >> president trump tackled the virus head on, as leaders should. >> i can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. >> that's what dr. fauci originally said in an interview, this was back in march. >> i'm not the only one.
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there is a whole group of us that are doing that. it's every single day. so, i can't imagine that -- that, under any circumstances, that anybody could be try -- doing more. >> hmm. well, dr. fauci sounds like he is pretty done with that kind of flagrant manipulation. maybe, they should use his actual expertise, the way they used it to twist his words. sounds like he thinks so, too. >> i think it's really unfortunate and really disappointing that they did that. it's so clear that i'm not a political person, and i have never, either directly or indirectly, endorsed a political candidate. and to take a completely out-of-context statement, and put it which is obviously a campaign ad, i thought, was really disappointing. >> the top expert on infectious disease in this country and they are taking him out of context in a campaign ad. that's where we are.
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here's what's completely clear in this situation. the trump campaign used fauci in the ad because he has credibility with voters, who are concerned about the deadly virus. president trump does not. and he knows it. and his campaign knows it. 22 days until the election. make your vote count. president trump's rally, tonight, could be a superspreader event with just three weeks to go before the election. why salvaging his sinking campaign is more important than protecting his supporters and everyone else? lot to discuss. john avlon, kaitlan collins, next. sarah: for a while i've had like a, kind of negative self image. there was like this contrast between like the way that i was thinking about my personality and the way that i was thinking about my body. with noom, i was able to learn how to interrupt those habits and create new ones. so my goal was 35 pounds and i've lost about 30 pounds now. so.. i've never been this confident in my body. my name is sara and i changed my life with noom.
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♪ rakuten! president's back on the campaign trail tonight, in florida. his first rally after being hospitalized with coronavirus. you'd never think that trump just experienced this horrific virus, firsthand. as he talked about kissing everyone in the packed, mostly maskless crowd. he also chose to state that -- chose a state, i should say, that reported over 1,500 new cases, today. let's discuss. cnn's white house correspondent and woman who works, all the time, kaitlan collins. and our senior political analyst, john avlon. good evening. kaitlan, i swear, every time i turn on my tv, on cnn, you are there. do you -- >> i'm going to move into the white house, i think. >> i was going to say. are you sleeping like right there? you have a little cot? >> yeah. i've got a sleeping bag. >> so, kaitlan, let's talk about this. just before the president left
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for his florida rally. we got this memo from his physician, dr. conley, that says the president tested negative for the coronavirus, in consecutive days, right? i mean, this seems -- it seems a little convenient. just before he's back on the campaign trail. what do we know about these negative tests and the president's health? >> yeah. and the white house actually just told my colleague, dj judd, who flew with the president on air force one, that dr. conley actually traveled with the president to this rally in florida tonight. and so, they released this memo as they were on their way to the president's first trip outside washington since he's tested positive for coronavirus. but also, apparently, since he tested negative. and so, he says in here that the president has tested negative, consecutive days, using a rapid test. but he doesn't say which days it was that the president tested negative. was it sunday and monday? was it saturday and sunday? because, remember, on friday, they said they would let us know when the president had tested negative. and it took them several more days to do that and i think that's because they know that there is this, you know, questions around whether or not the president should be going out on the campaign trail, and
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doing events, if he's not testing negative yet. even though the cdc guidelines do say, you know, after ten days offu of your symptoms, you can be around other people. but, don, it also comes as they have, you know, they are happy to say when the president has tested negative, now. but they still will not tell us the last time he tested negative before he was diagnosed with coronavirus. and that's a very important question but they will not -- they refused to tell us the answer to that. >> yeah. that was my next question to you but you answered it. i was going to say why can they tell us now? but they won't tell us when the last time he tested negative? but they'll tell us, oh, well, he's negative now. so that whole argument about the president's privacy and i don't want to go there. they're hiding something. john, so, to hold a superspreader rally, like this, after his own white house was a hot spot. i mean, is this about ego? about desperation in the final weeks of the election? about both? more? how do you see it? >> all of the above. look. we know that donald trump needs the rallies, as much as his
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campaign does. just for his own ego. but to your point, i mean, this is the superspreader tour. and donald trump is getting energy from the crowds. he is getting affirmation that he needs. but typically, he's not taking his supporters' health into consideration, just like he disregarded that of his staff. i mean, you have folks waiting in line, crowding this space. and it looks like, you know, waiting room for the darwin awards. and in contrast, one state up, you got folks in line for hours and hours and hours to vote. that contrast that you began the show with, between those two states that neighbor each other, is so powerful and says a lot about where our country is today. >> yeah. well, and also, listen, we don't know who's in line, who they are going to vote for. >> definitely, not. >> but much -- much of the counties that we're showing are near atlanta, right? or close to the city of atlanta, and the -- and the neighboring suburbs which tend to be very liberal. >> by southern standards.
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>> yeah, by -- by southern standards. you put that right. this i used to live in atlanta so i know from experience. but it is amazing to see the lines. kaitlan, what was the one last time? you are going to be sick of winning or something? more than 214,000 americans are dead from coronavirus, in part, because of his mishandling of the pandemic. that is not winning, winning, winning. that's not winning, at all. >> it's interrogatory s is inte the president is trying to take this tact he had before he had coronavirus. moving on from it because they know it's not a winning issue for the president. they know voters reject his handling of it. and so, they don't want it to be front and center. but, don, something you heard from the president tonight that i have been to a lot of rallies lately. we rarely hear from him is sympathy for people who have either gotten coronavirus or
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know someone who has died from it. and you heard him address that tonight so i do wonder what the conversations are behind the scenes that led to that decision for him to address it, even if briefly during his remarks tonight because it is not something you have seen him say many times before. instead, he's relied on the vice president to deliver that message. and, you know, some advisers have seen that as a mistake. they were hoping he would come out of covid-19 with this message of understanding, and be able to potentially employ that with voters. but instead, he comes out and says he is immune. which, of course, the science is still out on how that works. he talks about how powerful he feels without mentioning the fact he had been on steroids recently. and also, he talks about making the drug that he got available, to everyone. this treatment. when it's not widely available to anyone. it's not even available, really, to anybody. and so, you know, putting it in context, it makes people think if they got it, they will be able to hold a rally a week later when that's really not necessarily the case for people who cannot get the same level of treatment that he did. >> it's good to see both of you. thank you so much. kaitlan. the ever-ready kaitlan collins
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months, flu season, and a rising death toll. let's discuss, now. dr. peter hotez. a vaccine scientist and the dean of tropical medicine at the baylor college of medicine. by the way, thank yyou'll be ha got my flu shot. >> well done. >> i had to look the other way. they gave me a lollipop afterwards but i got it. so, listen. as a public-health expert, can you, please, tell me what you think, seeing someone who has recently been infected with the virus, with the coronavirus, and then required the top medical care this country has to offer. that he is back on the trail, large crowd of people, tonight. and it's as if, you know, nothing has happened. nothing has changed. >> well, don, you know, what -- what's puzzling and what's awful is the tone deafness. i mean, we are, i think, entering a very dark chapter in this epidemic. and, maybe, one of the darkest times in modern times in the united states public health
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history. look. we went from 20,000 -- we hit a low of 20,000 cases, at the end of may. we went up to 65,000 cases, new cases, a day in the middle of the summer. then, it came back down to only around 30 or 35,000 new cases a day. now, we're climbing up to over 50. so, we're already starting at a very high level. and we know that everyone has been predicting a massive surge, as we go into the fall and winter. so, we could be looking, potentially, at one of the worst phases, yet, of our epidemic. and some estimates from the institute for health metrics in seattle are saying we could double the number of deaths, sometime after the inauguration, going from 200,000 to 400,000 deaths. so that's the background entering this very scary time in american life. and then, the -- you know, and then the president joking about it. going into crowds. not -- still, not with that culture of masks. that disconnect is -- is just
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astonishing. i'm -- i'm very upset by it. >> so, here is the thing. you know, things start to change, right? and, you know, been able to go and have -- like, i know i have and other people. to eat outdoors, right? you don't have to be inside of a restaurant. places -- people are making -- governments are making exceptions for people to be able to eat outside. and then, you can have a certain number of people at your home, blah, blah, blah. so, as we move into this new time, right, this colder period, how should people at home be evaluating their risk? and should they think about modifying their behavior, as we move into the fall, into the colder weather? >> i think we have to plan, you know, and this is what i'm telling my family members, my -- my adult kids and -- and other family members. that, get ready for a really tough time this winter. think about who you want to do your social distancing with, as you head into later november and december and january. and -- and get ready to hunker down. that's point one.
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point two. take care of your mental health. one thing i do say is, look, this terrible period will not go on forever. i do think we're going to be in a much better place by the middle of next year because vaccines will be available by this time, next year. we'll have a significant percentage of the population vaccinated. so it's not all bleak. not -- not a time for despair but be realistic and recognize that this winter, this november, december, january, february, could be the worst time in our epidemic and plan accordingly and be smart about it. and -- and -- and take steps to protect your mental health. make certain that you know a mental health counselor, how to reach them if you need them. know how to call on family members. it's okay to feel scared and to be upset and to get depressed. that's a normal reaction to this. but -- but get ready for it. put all the belts and suspenders in place for a very rough time. >> doctor, thank you, very much. i appreciate it.
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he's, also, taking to twitter and urging republicans to focus on a stimulus package, that he pulled the plug on just days ago. despite his rosy outlook, the country has only regained about half of the 22 million jobs lost during the pandemic. and at the rate -- at that rate, which we're adding them back, is significantly slowing. okay? let' discu let's discuss now, "k times" columnist, paul krugman. thank you so much. >> good to be on. >> the president doesn't understand the economy is not the stock market, paul. what's the real economic picture right now? >> the real economic picture is that we fell into a deep hole. we climbed, fairly fast, about halfway back up. but not much, you know, it's -- it's slowing down. don't know, exactly, how much it's slowed down, but clearly the economy has slowed a lot. it's still enormous unemployment. and, you know, it's -- it's not even a question, really. we talk about stimulus but the
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main thing is what are people going to live on? people are not getting wages. the extra unemployment benefits that they had for a while have -- have been cut off. states and local governments are running out of money. so we desperately need a relief package. but, you know, trump is on again, off again, wild mood swings. but nothing is actually happening. >> yeah. the president, again, pushing for states to reopen, paul. and then, saying that the cure can't be worse than the problem. he said that, before. but won't letting the virus run rampant hurt the economy, more than it will help it? >> yeah, in fact, it won't even work, at all. i mean, what you see, you know, new york has done some partial reopening of -- of indoor dining. and, already, some places that reopened have closed again because there are no customers. you know, are you? i'm not ready to go and sit in indoor space right now. so, until you get the virus under control, you really can't have a full reopening.
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and so, no, it's just -- it's just foolish. but anyway, all of this is -- it's all just posturing, now. because the -- the election is so close. so it's just really about trying to seem as if he's doing something. >> he's all over the place, on getting economic relief to americans. by the way, as we know, desperately, need it right now. >> yeah. >> as he was going through the whole -- you know, his whole coronavirus bout and the steroids and the drugs. one minute, he's cancelling negotiations. the next, he is trying to backtrack. you say he may be killing the economy, out of spite, paul. that is -- that's big. why do you say that? >> well, if you've looked at when he suddenly said, okay, we're -- i'm cancelling all negotiations. there was no sense in that. it didn't -- you know, there -- there certainly is no point -- if you care at all about the country, you should say, look, let's -- let's at least continue talking. let's try to get something together.
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his -- the whole attitude was, like, i'm -- i'm mad and i'm going to take my ball and go home. he just pulled out. and, of course, then, he reversed course, yet again. but, this was -- none of this sounds like somebody who is actually seriously trying to grapple with the actual problem. all of it sounds like someone who is having, you know, is feeling peeved, is feeling optimistic, is making gra grandclaims. it doesn't sound like someone who is serious, at all, about policy. >> you are also saying what could happen if -- if trump loses. how much damage could he do before the inauguration, if he loses? >> well, the main thing is that simply by not doing anything, he would do an enormous amount of damage. i mean, if we have -- we have a situation, now, where extra unemployment benefits ended on july 31st. families are scraping by, barely, on some savings they may have accumulated. states and local governments are
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running out of money. if we do nothing until january 20th, when we hope or expect that a new president will be inaugurated, then we will have -- people will run to the end of their reserves. we'll see an enormous amount of damage. so, simply by not doing anything, he can inflict enormous damage on the economy. >> paul, thank you. i appreciate you joining. come back, soon. >> take care. >> stop and watch this, everyone. it's real life. it's from trump's rally, tonight. >> won't get sick from it? >> i don't care if i do because i know i'm not going to die from it. >> how do you know? how do you know that, with all due respect? >> you know what? if i do, i do. i'm not afraid. >> and there is a whole lot more. the daily show's jordan klepper goes to these rallies and speaks with voters. and the things he hears, you will never believe.
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another packed rally, tonight, as the pandemic rages on, with more rallies set for the rest of the week. dr. anthony fauci warning that hosting political rallies is asking for trouble. the daily show's jordan klepper went to a trump campaign rally in pennsylvania, just days before trump's coronavirus diagnosis. and the same day as the superspreader event at the white house to nominate amy coney barrett to the supreme court. so, here is what rallygoers said about wearing masks to prevent the spread of coronavirus. >> what do you think about the whole mask situation, right now? are you worried about covid? >> for me, like, me, personally,
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i'm not worried. but my dad is, like, underlying health conditions. >> okay. >> so, if -- if he gets it, he's going to be in trouble. >> why come here and take that risk, if your dad has health issues? >> just to see trump. >> you're pro-life. >> of course. it's important for americans to do whatever they can to protect human life. >> why aren't you wearing a mask? >> again, it's a personal choice, i think. if everybody was wearing 'em and everybody said put a mask on, i'd respect everybody's wishes and put it on. we're not sheep. we're lions. >> but if everybody here was wearing masks. >> you're not sheep so you're going to look at what everybody else is doing and you're going to follow along. >> that's it. >> the president has convinced his supporters that not wearing masks is okay. i'll repeat it to, you know, any chance i get. experts say that wearing a mask helps prevent the spread of covid-19. and that's not the only misinformation resonating with the president's supporters. take voting by mail. >> i think mail-in ballots is
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not going to be fair because it leads to fraud and stuff. >> you don't trust mail-in ballots. >> not at all. >> the president uses mail-in ballots. >> yeah. for -- they're going to use mail-in ballots for this upcoming election, right? >> right. but the president, himself, uses mail-in ballots. >> he does? where? >> that's >> i don't know. i don't know what we're talking about. >> another fact worth repeating. there's no evidence of wide sprid voter fraud. none. here with more. contributor to the daily show. it's good to see you. i have watched you do this since the last election. 2016. it's really just unbelievable. some of the thing people say. you spoke it a trump supporter and asked if he was better off than four years ago. listen to this. >> are you in a better place than four years ago? >> absolutely. >> is america in better place?
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>> i believe. >> 200,000 people dead. and riots in the street. and unemployment. >> i'm doing much better. i'm making four times as much as i was when obama was in office. >> i work for a debt relief company. >> you don't even have to try. the supporter said he's a debt collector and explains why he's better off. what is going on here? >> somebody is coming for my job. it's really difficult. you know where the economic downturn. when a comedian goes outd and somebody is writing it on the fly better than anything you can come up with. you get scared. >> it has to be unbelievable to you. i have not been out this
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political season. to a campaign rally. i felt like after all of the madness that happened over the past four years, that there maybe a different sort of mood or sentiment at trump rallies. has much changed since 2016? >> i feel like the one that i went to last week. you feel that there's still an energy. that's undenial. there was four years ago. if you're going to the spin doctor. they're exciting the first tour. you might be excited about hits but you have heard that song over and over again. trump rally people are excited to be there. there's something in the air. covid-19. i believe. but they have done this before. they have heard this story. over and over again. i do think there's a tampered down in energy level. but there's also a double down in the things they believe. it's not about politics anymore.
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it's not an audition for job. it's an ideology rally. and all about identity. >> our very own talked to trump supporters at the president's rally in florida. they didn't want to wear a mask. what you saw was not an isolated incident there, right? >> no. when i was surprised about we asked people why they weren't wearing a mask. most had on them. i'm used to going out and much like conservatives carry the constitution in their pogt and shame a liberal. that's replaced by a mask. they weren't wearing them. but aware they should have them. that struck me. i was expecting the narrative of a nont and a half ago. a month and a half ago. it was a hoax. and as bad as the flu. people understood we should have masks. which is why it's infuriating.
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donald trump set the example and did everything against what he's done until this point. there could be a real effect. people have the masks. they're in the pocket. waiting for somebody to tell them put it on. you don't look stupid. save 80,000 lives over six months. that call hasn't gone out. >> waiting for trump to tell them to put it on. >> yeah. he has important topics to talk about. >> he wants to kiss everyone informant audience. and if the president says put on the mask they'll put it on. they're waiting for him to tell them. >> they will jump in line. how quickly the narrative shift. and the president. he sets the tone for the rallies. people want to go to the big parade in town. the president tells them what to wear. they would put on a mask. they should. he won't them to do it. and until he does you'll see what you see every day. >> quickly.
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before i have to go. does any of the people you were speaking to. you have a way of catching them in their words and thoughts. do they ever get it in the moment? or just confused by the logic of what you're pointing out. are they confused? do people go wow i get it. is there ever an epiphany? >> there's a people aren't used to follow up questions. i had an epiphany talking to folks about the impeachment hearings. months ago. eternity ago. i remember asking people when trump didn't want bolton to speak and with holding witnesses from testifying. people were trump and didn't do anything. one woman i remember speaking to and said i believe donald trump. he is open about everything. he's not hiding anything. and i asked her he is stopping
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witnesses from testifying. she took a beat and registered it. and responded i don't care. and to me, that was a nutshell. it contradiction is only revealing of the lie you tell yourself. that is bha i see at the rallies. >> great work. say hello to trevor. people still call me trevor on the street. and ask for autographs. i don't know explain anymore that i'm not him. he's much better looking and younger. i have to go. keep up the good work. be safe. >> we'll be right back. like you, my hands are everything to me.
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