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are the harms of lockdown worse than the virus itself? that's today's survey question. and i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we're ten days away from the election, and the u.s. is now in the midst of a long dreaded fall surge. the u.s. has hit a major milestone yesterday. it recorded its highest one-day number of covid-19 infections, more than 83,000. this shattered the country's previous record set in july by more than 6,000. plus, more than 41,000 covid-19 patients were in hospitals yesterday. and experts warn that the daily
numbers will get worse. say, the culprits for this rise in new cases are indoor socializing. outbreaks at schools. and pandemic fatigue. that sounds like a case for additional lockdown. and indeed, this weekend, millions of europeans are facing tougher coronavirus restrictions. wales is beginning a two-week lockdown. manchester, england, is back on the highest tier of restrictions. and ireland has imposed its strictest in weeks. but a proposal by well credentialed scientists says there's a solution to pandemic fatigue, quote, allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally, to build up immunity and protect those at greatest risk. the doctrine is called the great barrington declaration. they argue for, quote,
compassionate approach that benefits the risk and benefits of reaching herd immunity is to allow those at minimal rick of death to live their lives normally through natural infection by protecting those at highest risk. the manifesto's central tenet is that not returning to normal life is doing more harm than good, results in long-lasting physical and mental health problems. therefore, the declaration says restaurants and other businesses should open. arts, music, sport and other cultural activity should resume. people who are more at risk may participate if they issue, while society as a whole enjoys the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity. publication of great barrington declaration drew swift response by someone called the john snow memorandum. this is a tip of the hat to john
snow the epidemiologist. the signatures of this document say the great barrington declaration would endanger americans who have underlying conditions who put them under high risk of severe covid-19 and 500,000 deaths. quote, in addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of the health care systems to provide acute and routine care. furthermore, there's no evidence for lasting immunity to sars covid 2 following natural infection. such a strategy would not end the covid-19 pandemic, but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infection shi indiana feck shus disease before the advent of vac nation. john berry wrote a piece for "the new york times" which is titled what fans of herd immunity won't tell you and he
literally wrote a book on a deadly pandemic. the great influenza, the story of the deadliest in history. professor john berry joining me to discuss along with jay bhattacharya. epidemiologist and health professors of one of the authors of the great barrington declaration. dr. bhattacharya, are you saying the young and least vulnerable should get the covid, that they'll survive and ultimately hope stop the spread of the virus. is that the argument? >> yes, that's the argument. for them, covid is less dangerous. one in four adults seriously considered suicide in june. the economic collapse caused by lockdowns have led to endang endangering lives of 130 million people of starvation.
actual starvation. in the united states, people have skipped cancer treatments. that's true, the risk of covid is less, 99.5% survival rate, versus the harms of lockdown. >> you know, dr. bhattacharya, that opponents of this school of thought say it's reckless and that many will die as a result. what's your experience with that? >> you look at the current policy the current policy resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths that are avoidab avoidable. the current policy is that we stop the slow of the disease. and that's failed. we have not been able to protect the vulnerable. to some extent the way we thought to protect the vulnerable, we failed to take up creative ways to actually protect them. i think the death calculations assume that you can't protect the vulnerable. if you believe you cannot protect the vulnerable, you're not going to try to think of ways to do it. i think it is possible. the great barrington declaration, you can look, we
make concrete suggestions and more, if possible, if we just engage with it. >> on my website today, by the way, i have not only the great bearingston declaration but also the john snow memorandum. i hope people will read both. professor barry, you in your "the new york times" essay you acknowledge that deaths do cause other harm, economics, drug abuse, decline in testing, but in the end, you certainly don't agree with what dr dr. bhattacharya's had to say. why not? >> well, being in a situation is a good one. we are in a bad place. the question is, which is going to be least harmful. and i think it's pretty clear that, you know, if we go the route that they recommend, you're going to see a minimum, according to the models, a minimum, if it's requires only 40% to reach herd immunity, then you would have 800,000 deaths. and most people think that it
would take more like 60 to 70% to reach herd immunity. in addition, they don't mention the fact that 78 -- according to one study, we do know there's a lot of heart damage, lung damage. damage to other organs from even people who are asymptomatic. in one study, 78%, including people with no symptoms, of the people infected with covid have some heart damage. we have no idea whether that's going to lead to encompaincapac or shorten their lives in the future. and another point that i think is very important is this doesn't really accomplish that much. the reason the economy is stagnant is not so much the restrictions, but the concerns that people still have. there was a study in june, i think, by the university of
chicago, the areas that were pretty much adjacent to each other and across county lines or state borders, that had different policies, on restrictions and so forth. they found that only 7% of the economic flaws, 7% was a cause in restrictions. the rest was because people were concerned about the virus. those are just a few of the things. to say that our policy now isn't working is absolutely correct. i agree completely. but that's a strong end. because we don't have a policy. the white house has refused to follow the advice of public health professionals. you know, it would be nice if we actually went out and tried to follow policy of public health professionals have called for. you know, it just doesn't work.
>> dr. bhattacharya -- yeah, i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, dr. bhattacharya, isn't one of the impracticalities that you're advocating is that so many households in america today are blending. you've got the grandparents under the same roof as the kids home from school, home from college, and even if you allow the schools to reopen, the k through 12ers are still going to exposure to older americans? >> well, i think one of the things about that, the lockdowns itself have created multigenerational homes. the economic situation from the lockdown have sent older kids home to live with parents. i think that's the response to that. creative ways are there to deal with it. for instance, you could have accommodations, temporary accommodations for people living among the home that are older that have people test positive
that are exposed to the virus, just like we provide hotels for homeless, we could do the same for people living in the actual homes. creative policies are possible. let me speak on a couple of things dr. barry said. one, if you look at the models, the models assume that the vulnerable get exposed. if you protect the vulnerable you get many, many fewer deaths. he also mentioned long-term effects of covid. the problem there, it's a very thing that happens with other respiratory viruses as well. influenza has the same thing. to date, we don't have any evidence that -- it's actual a comment. the study that dr. barry cites, the 78% study that had a control group where there was a 65 -- 60% to 65% rate of cardiomyopathy. that study had serious flaws. so, i think we don't actually have a sense of how common or frequent these numbers are of
long-term extra respiratory side effects are. i think we have to look at what other respiratory viruses look like. other coronaviruses produced at a same low rate. influenza at a low rate. but what we do know, lockdowns are deadly. we have no doubt about that. the harmful lockdown worldwide is catastrophic worldwide. and in the united states, catastrophic. people are skipping cancer treatments as a result of it. people are skipping diabetes management. it's devastating as dr. barry would admit. i think the lockdowns themselves -- >> i want professor barry to have opportunity to respond to that. then i want to ask an additional question. professor, go ahead. >> okay. first, you know, we have 225,000 dead today. the sweden tried something akin to what is being recommended. sweden had the highest death
rate in just about the highest death rate in europe. it was more than five times denmark. it was more than 11 times norway. and their economy actually did worse. the second quarter, their economy declined more than denmark sand nand norway. you raised the point about the multigeneration. i mean, making this work, it's just almost impossible. essentially asking people to go to concentration camps. i mean, that's an overstatement, i use that phrase, but separating the families, it's just not workable. and how you take care of a 25-year-old obese diabetic who has to go to work, that person is at high risk. and, you know, it is a very dangerous situation. i think the models are pretty accurate.
and i think the expectations would be certainly 800,000 deaths and probably over 1 million. and that is -- >> professor -- >> it's not been proven. >> essay that you wrote for "the new york times" got great circulation. here's one of the critics that i want to put on the screen and give you opportunity to respond. a person wrote and said, appended to your essay, feel free to disagree with me, but in my opinion, the coronavirus response has been upside down from the start. healthy people under the age of 70 have had every aspect of their lives turned upside down so compromised people over the age of 70 could still go to walmart. from the get-go, the extreme quarantine and isolation measures should have focused on those at high risk, not those at infinitessimally small risk. increased support for older americans, rally armies to do delivers for products and
services. make them communicate by zoom. my kids who were never at risk. have been essentially at house arrest for months, and thus what you see now. you would say what to that individual? >> i would say, number one, nobody's going for a general lockdown right now. what would be nice to have, and what the public health professionals are calling for is what they have recommended from the beginning and which we have not gotten from the white house. would there have to be any lockdowns? probably there could be in some areas where the disease was really, really exploding. but in terms of general lockdowns, absolutely not. in terms of school openings, i've actually been a hawk in terms of i think, yes, the schools should be open. there's a difference between the influenza virus and this virus. and influenza, kids are
vulnerable and they're also superspreaders. neither of those things are true for coronavirus. so, i think schools should be open, as long as communities transmission is not extraordinary. you know, the real problem is that this administration is not followed public health advice. that -- we know that the nonpharmaceutical interventions work. they've worked in countries around the world that have actually applied them. they have not worked in places like the united states where we have been hit or miss. you know, give the public health professionals a chance. you know, i respect the signers of the great barrington declaration. but they are a very distinct minority, very distinct minority, of public health professionals. >> okay. and let me just close on this note. first, i'm so privileged to have had both of you here.
and i'm making available in my twitter feed and at my website right now, the barrington declaration. the john snow memorandum and professor barry's essay from "the new york times." thank you both. >> thank you. what are your thoughts? tweet me @smerconish. go to my facebook page. i will read some throughout the course of the program. this comes from facebook. but to reach herd immunity you have to put the vulnerability at risk, too. we're not a separate society. we live in the same society. even the vulnerable have to go out. joyce, i said that exactly to dr. bbhattacharya, that we have so many blended households. his response was we have a lot more blended households because of the, quote/unquote, lockdown that we're in. and his argument how much more are we causing because of the ripple effect of the lockdown?
are the harms of lockdown worse than the virus itself? up ahead, president trump will be casting his vote in west palm beach in person. >> as opposed to sending it in, you know, this mail-in. i like to be able to vote. i'm old-fashioned. because of the pandemic, unprecedented number of americans are voting for the first time. a percentage are rejected for various defects but this year, could that number be significant enough to affect the outcome of the election? >> and astronaut kate rubins votes really remotely from the international space station. and posted this selfie. good thing she didn't include a picture of her ballot, because on earth in certain states, she might have been guilty of a crime. and i'll explain. so with at&t, you can pick the perfect plan
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it's a live shot in west palm beach, florida. crowds gathering in anticipation of president trump casting his florida ballot in person when he does, we'll bring it to you live. president obama was in philadelphia this week. >> you don't have to wait for november 3rd to cast your ballot. you can vote from home with a mail-in ballot. just go to iwillvote.com/pa to request your ballot right away. before you send it back, pennsylvania's got this thing where you got to use both envelopes. so you've got to read the directions carefully to make sure your vote counts. >> so taking my cue from president obama, here's my
mail-in pennsylvania ballot. this is the further that the commonwealth has allowed mailing in for people in a presidential election without an excuse for not voting in person. a decision that actually predated the pandemic. i've got to fill in the dots accurately and sign it and then put it inside the so-called secrecy envelope. then place it inside this envelope. i'm worried that i'm going to get something wrong and for good reason. one less worry as of friday is that the pennsylvania supreme court decided unanimously that county election officials can't throw out absentee ballots for signatures deemed not to match those on mile. in this case, i've got to sign the exterior of the envelope. where there was a person of a matching of signatures on file and some would be tossed as a result. the effect of the pennsylvania supreme court ballot will say there won't be that kind of
signature. frankly, it sets up a disconnect, because if you vote in person, there will be a signature comparison but not if you vote by mail. i'm sure that will continue to be a subject of controversy. in this election, unprecedented number of americans are voting by mail. many for the first time, there's still a good chance that hundreds of thousands of them are going to get something wrong. could this have signature impact on the outcome? 318,728 mail-in ballots were rejected. in this year's primary, more than 500,000 were rejected. drill down those numbers and it's troubling. for example in pennsylvania, president trump only won the state in 2016 by 44,292. well, in this year's primaries, 37, 119 ballots were rejected. in wisconsin, the president won by only 22748. the number of ballots rejected
in this year's wisconsin primary was more than that. 23,196. in the crucial swing state of florida, politico found more than 35,500 vote-by-mail primary ballots didn't count because of missed deadlines or technical flaws. in this year's primary in new york city, over 400,000 absentee ballots were sent in, and 84,000 of those were not counted. a whopping 21%. there's always been a disparity between the parties when it comes to utilizing mail-in ballots and it's even more accentuated this year. a recent quinnipiac poll found that 69% of biden voters prepare to vote by mail. to 21% trump voters. and that's why they're until court fighting to witness notary requirements. they want voters a chance to fix errors, they call that curing, before their ballots are
rejecting. but different states have different rules. only 22 states allow voters to cure mail-in ballots once sent in. in north carolina, for instance, of the ballots needing fixing, 52% belong to democrats compared to 21% by republicans. although the state is 22.2% black, 31% of the ballots that need fixing are from voters who are african-american. as i discussed before, the dominance of the democratic mail-in vote will likely create a blue shift that will increase joe biden's vote in the days following the final day of voting. in a recent piece in "the new york times" titled "mail ballots are already being rejected guess whose." the answer is young voters, black and hispanic voters and first-time mail-in voters who traditionally trend democratic. joining me to discuss is wendy wiser, vice president and director of nyu school of law
brennan center for justice. wendy, what worries you most about this subject? >> well, thank you for having me. you know, any practice that results in a significant number of ballots cast by eligible voters being tossed for technical reasons is problematic, and frankly, unacceptable in a 21st century america. but this is something we can and should do better with. and i am worried, not only at the level of disenfranchisement at the racial disparities we see, but also, as you noted in close races, these percentages could make the difference in the outcome of an election. >> i know that the national average was about 1% or 1.5%. but i'm going to put on the screen a slide that shows a variety of states and their rejection rates. you know, some of it is alarming. look at those if you're able, new york, 13.7%.
arkansas, 7.6%. kentucky, 6.8%. north carolina, 6.1, louisiana, 5.9%. massachusetts, 5.8.. to what do you attribute what i would call the high rates of rejection? >> typically, we see the high je est rejection where voters typically vote by absentee ballots at lower rates. we've seen across the country a surge in voters moving towards absentee voting because of the pandemic. but suddenly, those percentages which typically apply to a small number of ballots now are much more significant because many, in many cases, half or more voters are going to be voting by absentee ballot. >> well, i wouldn't want somebody to get the wrong message from this. i wouldn't want someone to say, oh, my gosh, i better go out and
vote in the midst of a pandemic live and in person, where i've been planning to vote by mail. i mean, my advice on radio and here on cnn is to tell people to treat this like a wedding invitation. you know, frankly, sometimes, wedding invitations are pretty complicated. how many people are coming, do you want the chicken or fish and what energy govelope goes where. it's the same thing, pay attention while you're filling it out. >> absolutely. the difference is we have record levels of voter enthusiasm and voter levels are high. voters can dramatically reduce the idea that their ballots are the small number of ballots rejected by following the instructions closely. if you're in one of the 12 states that require a with the tons your absentee ballot like wisconsin and north carolina, make sure you get that witness. as you noted, if you're in pennsylvania, make sure you put your ballot in that extra
secrecy sleeve included with the ballot. make sure in every state that you include a signature on your ballot envelope. and double-check, make sure all of the information is correct. another critical fact, have it be timely, that's also very important. >> and just to underscore, different states, we essentially have 52 different systems going on here and whether there's a cure process. whether you get to fix it is dependent upon your state, correct? >> yeah. the rules for -- and this is confusing for voters as they're hearing a lot of national news about mail voting the rules and requirements vary state by state, jurisdiction by jurisdiction. so read your instructions carefully. and 32 states, ballots won't count if they're mailed on time but received after election day. that is -- no matter where you are, it is a good idea to get those ballots in as early as possible. flatten the curve, that will
ease the election administration. and in 22 states, if there is a mistake, they'll give you an opportunity to cure it. another thing that voters can do to make sure their ballots -- you can track -- in virtually every state -- >> i'm losing wendy weiser. i'm losing you, i'm going to say that the brennan center has a lots of good data. thank you for being here. i want to remind you, ladies and gentlemen, go to my website @smerconish.com and answer, are the harms of lockdown worse than the virus itself? >> up ahead, google's vast amount is a 93 filed an antitrust lawsuit but do you pass up the competition in favor
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crowds still gathering in west palm beach florida, awaiting president trump en route to cast this ballot. he's doing so as a florida resident in this cycle. different, of course, than how he voted four years ago. when that happens, we will bring it to you live. this week, the justice department launched s eed an ant action against google claiming that the search giant illegally protects its monopoly. asserting that google, quote,
ices anti-government tactics for search services, search advertising and general search text advertising, the cornerstones of its empire. google says people use their search engine because they want to, not because they're forced to. it could have a profound on the impact as we know it. this is the latest salvo in the war against the big technique three, amazon, apple and if you count microsoft, four. and state and federal antitrusts charge good facebook could come as soon as november. steve levy joins me, he wrote a book about apple called the perfect thing. he wrote a great book about facebook called "the inside story." and most importantly for our purposes, he wrote "in the plex,
how google shapes works and shaves our lives." steven, what's this about? >> as you mentioned, the government is taking a hard look at these tech companies. four people usually cited, apple, google, facebook, amazon. some people throw microsoft in there. and they have a lot of power. facebook and google together have the majority of advertising on the web. and just about 100% of the profits from advertising on the web. and google gets its money from search. they have, what most people would consider a monopoly in search. they have well over 80% by some measures over 90% of all of the searches that are done on the web are google searches. and the government says, wait a minute, it's not illegal to have a monopoly. but when you use that monopoly, you leverage it to get an even bigger share and lock in your monopoly, that's no good.
so one thing that google does, they pay billions of dollars to companies like apple, companies like mozilla and samsung, so when you search, the default will be a google search. and the government says, wait a minute, that's not fair. it's okay to have a lot of people who want to search there, but when people go to these other places, they start off with an iphone, they shouldn't automatically have apple -- i'm sorry, google as their search engine. they should start from scratch maybe and pick what they want. >> so, interesting you and i are having this conversation and i'm waiting a live feed of president trump going to vote. we're ten days out from the conclusion of this election. and it begs the question, will this sort of thing transcend a change in administration or could potentially a joe biden administration have a different view of this issue? >> that's a great question, if you look back to the microsoft trial which the government says this is the biggest thing we've
done since then. 20 years ago, the government sued microsoft for leveraging its monopoly and operating systems, trying to make people -- force people really to use their internet browser. and they lost the case. but when a new administration came in, the george w. bush administration, they settled the case and rolled back the remedy that the judge recommended. he wanted to break up microsoft. so, could the same thing happen here? one sign which google probably is liking is that some states attorneys general signed on to the government's action but they were all from red state. so it implied they had to rush this out, somehow, before the election. i don't think google can take too much comfort because biden has talked about his worries about big tech as well. we might see the suit continue, but it might have a different form under the joe biden administration. >> take my final 30 seconds and
tell me why should i as a consumer care about this. >> yeah, you might be happy saying i use google search. what's the problem here? no one forces me to use that. >> right. >> but i think not only google, but these other companies under investigation, amazon with its market power and internet commerce, you know, facebook, the social network dominates, these have incredible power over our lives. we use them multiple times a day, we can't imagine life without them. there's a lot of negative things that come from this. i think if you think about it, you need someone to give oversight to the companies. i think this is a significant move on the government's part. and it's not going to be the only one, it's the first of a lot. >> when i need to read in anticipation of hosting you on my radio program, what did i do? i googled the subject, of course. steven, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, michael, take care. >> steven wins, by the way, that
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be careful with that stick. ten days before the final day of voting, more than 50 million americans have already voted and the internet is rife with ballot selfies to broadcast that they voted and to encourage others that they did so. celebrities getting in on the act, tracy allen ross, reese witherspoon, will ferrell. take a look at this heartwarming picture of 102-year-old
beatrice, casting their ballot. voted in every election. in 1940, when she was born, women couldn't vote. if you note, if we could see beatrice's actually filled out ballot in the photo, perhaps she'd be guilty of a crime. illinois is one of the states including north carolina, texas and florida showing your ballot once completed or asking someone to show you theirs is agains the law. so, you'll notice that new york resident whoopi goldberg was careful to blur her ballot to avoid being charged with a misdemeanor. there was a high-profile example that we discussed in 2016, justin timberlake posted and then deleted a selfie of his vote in memphis where he could have been punished with 30 days in jail or a fine.
he wasn't. a local attorney said it wasn't worth using their limited resources to pursue the matter. "the new york times" suggests that 2020 could see a lot of selfie violations because many are voting by mail or being at home to vote. here's a map that shows how different states deal with the selfie issue. no clear laws banned or other voting pictures allowed. proponents of selfies argue they're good for democracy, they boost turnout. and that they're protected under free speech. those opposed say that ballot selfies could compromise elections by coercion. by encouraging people to vote a certain way, and then using the photo to prove they did so. selfie for not, just make sure you vote. still to come, more of your best and worst tweets and facebook comments and wield give you the final result of the
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his base that he's voting in person and they should be voting in person as well. of course, four years ago, legally speaking, he was a new york state resident and cast his ballot in the empire state. this year, perhaps underscoring the fact that florida is in play and he really needs to win it, he's casting his ballot in the sunshine state. so he's there, the motorcade is there, and then his schedule today will consist of doing, i think, three different rallies in three different states. but this is live footage of the president arriving to cast his ballot. if he was watching the last segment here on cnn, then he'll know he should not take a selfie of that completed ballot, however tempting it might be to do so. so the president arriving in west palm beach, florida, to cast his ballot. we think we know who he's voting for. may i give you the results of the survey question from smerconish.com. are the arms of lockdown worse
than the virus itself? survey says 85% say no. 20,449 votes were cast. quickly, can i see some social media? i know we're limited on time. what do we have? yikes, another way-off base survey question. perhaps you should ask the people on ventilators and families who have lost members who died, it's worse. diane, did you pay attention to it and did you do what i asked, which is to read the great barrington declaration, as well as professor john barry's essay and the john snow memorandum. they are all on my website. out of time. thank you so much for watching. that's the live shot of president trump now voting, casting his ballot. he's just walked in to vote. thanks.
good morning. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm boris sanchez in for vict victor blackwell. we're following breaking news this morning, president trump at a polling location in west palm beach, florida. the president arrived there a short time ago. we heard that he walked out of his vehicle. here are the pictures. he walked into a polling booth to cast his ballot. we have cnn's sarah westwood nearby. what are you seeing, what can you tell us? >> reporter: boris, president trump is voting here today early at his polling location here in florida. he's still a registered florida voter. because of florida laws, we're not able to get a shot