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tv   CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin  CNN  January 12, 2021 12:00pm-1:00pm PST

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keep in mind, this will be the first federal press conference addressing that violent attack, and it comes as the fbi is warning that armed protests are planned in all 50 state capitals in in addition to the u.s. capitol in the days leading up to and including inauguration day which is next wednesday. "the washington post" today is
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reporting the fbi was warned of a violent, quote, war at the u.s. capitol in this internal report which was issued the day before last week's deadly siege. that report directly contradicts officials who said that there was no intelligence indicating that the capitol would be attacked. today up on the hill for house democrats it is full steam ahead. all indications suggest that by the end of the day tomorrow president trump will be the only president in u.s. history to be impeached twice. the charge, incopyrigiting an insurrection. today president trump is on his way to visit the border walled and denounced the violence last week and had this to say about speech, andad any role anyone many people have done it, and i've seen it both in the papers hand in the media, on television, it's been analyzed and people thought that what i said was totally appropriate,
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and if you look at what other people have said, politicians, at a high level about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in portland and seattle, various other places, that was a real problem. >> so to recap here, taking accountability, nope. continuing to zo w divisions, yup. deflecting blame, check. let's begin with our senior justice correspondent evan perez. as we mentioned we're waiting for the doj news conference to begin. what should we be hearing? >> well, i think we're going to hear a little bit more about the type of people that they have been arresting. this is a nationwide effort, brooke. this is probably frank will you unprecedented since 9/11. this was a major failure on the part of -- some parts of law enforcement, the fact that these folks got into the u.s. capitol, were able to disrupt certification of joe biden's election victory frankly at the urging of president trump is a
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major, major failing on the part of various parts of law enforcement, and some of that we're beginning to see, as you pointed out, that "the washington post" has this report based on an internal fbi report that came from the norfolk field office, norfolk, virginia, was shared a day before the -- the january 6th trump real, and there were plenty of warnings. as we said before, there were plenty of indications that there were people who were set on violence who were coming here to washington to this real. i'll read you a part of what "the post" has in their report. it says that there was an online thread being discussed calling for violence. be ready to fight. congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in and blood being spilled. stop calling this a march or a real or a protest. go there red for war. we get our president or we die. nothing else will achieve this goal. knows were some pretty chilling words. it is not clear how far and how
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wide that warning was sharing with law enforcement around the country -- i'm sorry, around washington. we know it was shared with the fbi field office here in washington. the question was why wasn't the capitol police more ready? you can seat pictures. they were not ready for what they were facing, and we're told, brooke, you know at this point there's thousand of leads being followed by the fbi, by the ate yefrks around the country. they are knocking on doors. they are talking to people who they are concerned about. again, some of this stuff they new before last wednesday. it's just taken a different tone or a different view in light what have happened. >> and now that we know what they were capable of the question then turns to the next couple of days. evan, thank you. we'll listen in to the news conference and chat on the other side of that. let's go to manu raju up on capitol hill. manu, we know tomorrow is the huge day, historic day for the big impeachment vote. what's happening right now? >> right now the democrats are preparing for that moment. they are setting the stage for
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the floor debate tomorrow, and they are taking care of some last-minute business today. one of the things that's going to happen today is a vote later tonight to pressure vice president mike pence to invoke the 25th amendment of the united states to essentially force donald trump out of office. now, pence has not commented publicly on this, but privately he's indicating he has no intention of moving ahead on this and has not returned the speaker's phone calls about this matter, so the expectation here is that he will not go forward with the 25th amendment, so the democrats are planning an impeachment resolution. it's already been drafted and they are setting the stage for a floor debate that would occur tomorrow, historic floor debate because the p. as you mentioned, will be the only president ever to be impeached twice, this on the charge of incitement of insurrection which comes up on him being charged on two separate counts in 2019 for abuse of power and obstruction of congress, and this charge points to his actions after the election about his efforts to subvert the will of the voters
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and what he said is comments to that violent riot that led to the deaths of five people here in the cap tom last week including the u.s. capitol police officer. those all questions going forward as how many republicans ultimately join on because democrats are all on board and theft votes here, brooke. >> i want to ask you here. i'm talking to a democratic congressman in a second and i'll ask him, too, what is your indication that this will be a bipartisan vote, that republican lawmakers will also vote for impeachment? >> a significant portion of this house republican leaders are not pressuring their members to fall in line. unlike in 2019 in which they urged them all just to stand with the president. here that is not case so the expectations is there could be ten, maybe more, maybe less to break ranks. that's still a small frafblgts overall house republican conference but there are members who are very critical of the president's conduct so we do expect some to break ranks, keep members like liz cheney, number
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three in the leadership but she considers this vote in the words in her conference a vote conscience, so that is a key indication that some of these members may go their own way, may not side with the president and then the big question, too, brooke, what will happen when it goes to the senate. eventually a trial likely won't take place until joe biden is president land there be 17 republicans who would break ranks in the senate to convict donald trump and prevent him from running for office again? those are the questions we'll have to see in the coming days with the big test tomorrow. brooke. >> here we are on the precipice of history. manu, thank you on the him. let's go now to the white house to our chief white house correspondent there, jim acosta. jim, the president meantime, he's down in text yeah, visiting the border wall. i know that house minority leader kevin mccarthy said that the president has taken some responsibility for that insurrection last week, but when i listened to this president this morning i heard zero responsibility taken. >> yeah. >> yeah, brooke, listen to what
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the president says out loud, not exactly what we're hearing, you know, indirectly from people up on capitol hill, especially his apologists. we do expect president to start speaking any moment down in texas. we're getting some indications that he may be addressing the siege at the capitol that took place last week after his incendiary remarks to the crowd that fired up that crowd and sent them in the direction of the capitol, but i will tell you, brooke, we did heart president this morning not taking any responsibility for this but also interestingly at one point the president was saying he didn't want to see any more violence. now i'm told by a couple of sources close to the president that they have been telling trump, that lawyers have been telling trump, advisers have been telling trump to tone down rhetoric, tone down the language, not only because it's good for country. obviously it's good for the country if he does, that because he's face the risk legal jeopardy, and in the words of one of these sources he absolutely can be sued for his role in what happened at the capitol last week. another source said that the
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president is being advised to tone down the rhetoric, not just because it's good for the country but because he faces the risk of real legal jeopardy. now, local and federal prosecutors have talked about whether or not the president could be charged with inciting an insurrection or inciting violence, but there's also the prospect, brooke, that he could be sued, that he -- you know, he could face some sort of civil prosecution and civil of liability in court so the potential here, is brooke, the president could leave office not only face charges for what took operation at the capitol but be sued for it as well and so you may see the president here attempt once again down at the border to once again try to say the right words, even if most americans realize he may not real mean them. brooke? >> we'll listen in for that to see if that happens. i do want to ask you, jim, about these reports that we're hearing that the secretary of state mike pompeo had to skip his last european trip because no one wants to meet with him. what are you hearing?
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>> yeah. this is being reported in just the last several hours that the secretary of state has essentially been told by his foreign counterparts in a they don't want to meet with him, and keep in mind mike pompeo, a you know, made this happen to himself. you know, keep in mind in the days after the elects secretary of state was saying he was look forward to a second trump administration even though it was all too clear that joe biden was going to become the next president and so, you know, while the secretary of state would obviously like to stay in office, he was certainly not projecting the kind of values that are shared by major u.s. allies, european aids who, you know, obviously stand for a peaceful transfer of power. the secretary of state was viewed by some of his counterparts as not reallied a hearing to that principle, so it's no surprise that he's a bit of a pariah now on the diplomatic stage. i think the secretary of state to some extent, brooke, enjoys or relishes that prospect, because as we all know he is
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eyeing the possibility of trying inherent the trump mantle heading into 2024. of course, good luck with that. there's been talk about doing this as well there. might not be much half mantle left, brook. it appeared to be shattered. >> indeed it do, jim accost a. thank you very much. we'll listen to the president's words down in texas. with me now is democratic congressman ro qana from california. congressman, good to see you. >> good to sigh, brooke. >> you heard the president this mornings you know, before he headed to text yeah, you know, saying that his speech last week was totally fine, that everyone is overreacting. he called it it a witch hunt. what say you, congressman? >> well, it's not surprising, but it's disappointing that there's no introspection, and what people don't realize is that the threat of violence is not just against democrats or progressives. it's actually against republicans. i have talked to some of my colleagues, i don't want to say works but who have had death threats, people who have voted
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for certification. they are facing the threats of violence, so this is a terrible situation for many people who are serving, and it crosses party lines. >> so to your part about your threats of violence, i want to quote what the president said, for nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to continue this path, meaning impeachment, i think it's caution tremendous danger to our country and it's causing tremendous anger, and then he ended with i want to violence. he seems to imply, congressman, and you -- you would be included in here with a yay vote on impeachment, you all could be provoking more violence. the. >> this doesn't have any logic. if someone commits a crime and robs a bank and says the person to ballistic missile are the police for arresting them or the prosecution for holding them accountable. what we need is accountability for the act, and then we do need to figure out how we start to stitch this country together.
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brooke, it's not going to be easy because the reality is there is still a large base of donald trump supporters in these constituencies who believe him, and we have to be candid about that, that this country is divide, and the question is how are we going to have a peaceful transition of power and then convince a chunk of that base that it's time to -- to -- to heal this country? >> that's such an important question on, you know, even if some of these republicans move away from trumpism, you know, we're all left wondering what about these supporters and how do they, will they, why would they disavow the -- the then former president? i want to ask you, congressman, specifically on the vote tomorrow, on impeachment, you know. we're hearing, and manu just said maybe ten reap warnings i'm curious what you're hearing, a handful of republicans will be willing to break ranks, vote with you in impeaching the president. republican liz cheney, referred to it as a vote of conscience.
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do you know how many republicans you expect to vote with you right now? >> i've heard same ballpark that manu happens. in fact, i just told someone i think about ten republicans will, and -- and that is showing real courage, but the republicans are in the toughest spot right now, actually politically with the hardest decision is the ones who didn't vote to overturn joe biden's legitimate election. they are facing enormous pressure, and i think many of them are grapling with their conscience and then what some of the base and constituency is demanding, and so it's an ongoing process, but i think around ten seems realistic. >> we have also learned -- forgive me, congress mfnl we'll go straight to the news conference. doj and fbi on the ips rex from last week. >> as the operator said please queue up ahead of time so when we get to the q and a. first is the assistant director in charge of the washington
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field office fbi and he'll be followed by the acting district attorney of being the district of columbia, mikal sherwin. be right back. thank you. okay. so. -- >> good afternoon. i'm steven dantuano, assistant director in charge of the washington field office fbi and i'm here to provide a quick update on the fbi's activities since the violence and destruction at the capitol last week. the fbi is quite familiar with large-scale, complex and fast-moving investigations. we are up to the challenge. as director wray says, the fbi does not do easy. to be clear, the brutality the american people watched with shock and disbelief on the 6th
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will not be tolerated by the fbi. the men and women of the fbi will leave no stone unturned in this investigation. since these events, the fbi has worked hand in hand with the united states attorney's office and our law enforcement partners here in d.c. and across the country to arrest and charge multiple individuals who took part in the destruction. in six days we have opened over 160 case files, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. the significance of this investigation is not lost on us. the this is a 24/7 full bore extensive operation in what happened that day. we cannot do our job without the help of the american people. since our call for tips, videos and pictures, we have received more than 100,000 pieces of digital media which is absolutely fantastic, and we are
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scouring every one for investigative and intelligence leads. we continue to ask for more. the if you have information, contact 1-800-call-fbi or submit photos, videos to and that's capitol with an "o." >> i want to stress the fbi has a long memory and broad reach. agents and our partners are on the streets investigating leads not only here in the d.c. area but also across the country through the fbi's 56 field offices so like i said before, even if you've left d.c., agents from our local field offices will be knocking on your door if we find out that you were part of the criminal activity at the capitol. but before we do this, this is your opportunity to come forward. as several individuals who were involved in wednesday's riots have done, to volunteer about
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their participation. in the weeks leading up to the january 6th rally, the fbi worked internally with every fbi field office to ensure that we were looking for any intelligence that may have developed of potential violence during the real on january 6th. we developed some intelligence that a number of individuals were planning to travel to the d.c. area with intentions to cause violence. we immediately shared that information and action was taken as demonstrated by the arrest of enrique tarrio by the metropolitan police department the night before the rally. other individuals were identified in other parts of the country and their travel subsequently disrupted. the fbi receives enormous amounts of information and intelligence, and our job is to determine the credibility and viability of it. under the laws and policies that govern fbi investigations. we have to separate the aspirational from the intentional and determine which
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of the individuals saying despicable things on the internet are just practicing keyboard bravado or do they actually have the intent to do harm? in the latter we work diligently to identify them and prevent them from doing so. as offensive as a statement can be, the fbi cannot open an investigation without a threat of violence or alleged criminal activity. however, when that lapping wage does turn to a call of violence or criminal activity, the fbi is able to undertake investigative action, and in this case we had no indication information was linked to any specific person, but this was a matter of an online discussion. this information was immediately disseminated through a written product and briefed to our command post operations to all levels of law enforcement. the part and parcel of our investigation into violent actors is the fact that we continue to gather intelligence that will aid in our ability to
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disrupt possible future violent activity. suffice it to say we're leveraging our relationships with federal, state and local law enforcement partners using our tools at our disposal to find and bring everyone involved in last week's criminal activity to justice. i'm going to turn it over to the acting u.s. attorney michael sherwin. >> all right. thank you, steve. i think i mentioned this before a few days ago that just to begin i think the scope and the scale of this investigation in these cases are real unprecedented, not only in fbi history but probably doj history in which essentially the capitol grounds, outside and inside, are essentially a crime scene, and -- and a scale in which we have literally of thousands of potential witnesses and a scenario in which we're going to have i believe hundreds of criminal cases, both filed with our local courts, the superior court and the federal court system so just to frame thing, the enormity of this
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investigation is going to take a lot of work and a lot of effort and this is not going to be solided of overnight. it's not going to be solved within the coming weeks or within the coming months. this is going to a long-term investigation and rest assured that the burro, the department of justice, all the u.s. attorneys across the united states that are assisting in these investigations everyone is in for the long haul. so that being shade, let's turn to the numbers that steve referenced, and the numbers are going to geometrically increase, so as we sit here now literally days after this event happened we've already opened is 70 -- more than 170 subject files meaning these individuals have been identified as potential persons that committed crimes on the capitol grounds, inside and outside, so of those 170 cases that have already been open and i anticipate this will grow to the hundreds in the next coming weeks, we've already charged over 70 cases. again, that number i suspect is going to grow into the hundreds,
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so what are the types of cases we initially charged? and i think there's some misconceptions and i want to clarify some of the misconceptions because given the enormity of the actors we saw both inside and outside the capitol the range of criminal conduct is really i think, again, unmatched in any type of scenario that we've seen the fbi or the doj. we're looking at everything from simple trespass to theft of mail, to theft of digital devices with inside the capitol to assault on local officers, federal officers both outside and inside the capitol to the theflt of potential national security information or national defense information to felony murder and even civil rights excessive force investigations so just the gamut of cases and israel conduct we're looking at is really mind-blowing and that's really put an enormous amount of work on the mate of the phone and field office throughout the entire united states, so let's look at those
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nishl cases. again, i want to clarify some misconceptions. when criminal cop duct occurs we try to obviously charge people as soon as possible. the way, looking at the federal system, we try to do that via complaint so when these actors left the capitol, the defendants, the impetus and marching order from federal law enforcement was to find, fix and charge those individuals as fast as possible so the prosecutor from the d.c. attorney's office we hooked for the most serious charge we could file as quick as possible. a lot of these cases were misdemeanorses, trespass cases. we also h several firearms charges and several felony charges that were open with assault and battery, a legal felonious possession of records. i want to say this is only the
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beginning so after the criminal charges are filed via criminal complaint that allows law enforcement across the united states to arrest people from dallas to arkansas to nashville and cleveland and jacksonville and that's what's happened over the past several days. it's really quite incredible. now after those charges are filed, then we have the ability to then indict these individuals on more significant charges and that's exactly what has happened. for example, yesterday, again, only days after this event hand. we had the grand jury in the district of columbia up. it was booked throughout the entire day, and for several hour upon hour prosecutors in our office presented felony cases, significant felony cases related to civil disorder, related to the possession of destructed devices, related to the possession of semiautomatic weapons that are illegal to possess in the district, so, again, i just want to clarify that the initial charges that we're filing, some of these misdemeanors, these are only the beginning. this is not the end, so what are
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we looking at downstream here? show in terms of what we're looking at is the initial charge everyone is familiar, the zip tie guys, the munchols and brocks that were arrested on the house floor with zip ties rifling through the house floor. people are familiar with online they see the barnetts and johnsons who were literally rifling through pelosi's office and stealing items, material and sometimes even personal mementos so those are the cases the public is familiar with. they are familiar with the cases because of social media, but what the public isn't familiar with is that the fbi working with the u.s. torn's office across the country and the crux being in d.c. we're looking at significant felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy. just yesterday our office organized a strike force of very senior national security prosecutors and public corruption prosecutors.
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their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the capitol and these are significant charges that have felonies with prison terms of up to 20 years, in addition to that we're look and taking a priority with cases in which weapons were involved and cases in which destructive devices were involved. as people know through news reports there were pipe bombs found outside the capitol. atf is working on that, metro police, fbi working on that to find that individual or individuals who planted those devices. so in addition to just those cases we're looking at we'll focus on the most significant charges as a deterrent because regardless if it was just a trespass in the capitol or if someone planted a pipe bomb, you will be charged and you will be found. in addition to that, we've also focused on -- an emphasis on
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assault and batteries on police officers, both federal officers and local mpd officers that were assaulted is and as the days go on, there's going to be more social media and people will recognize that in some instances mpd and capitol police were in open-handed combat with some of these persons inside the capitol where tear gas was used on the capitol police and federal officers. they were also used against some of these rioters, so the pictures are going to build. there's a lot of misconceptions of what happened in the capitol and it will come into laser focus i think over the next weeks and days and people will be shocked with some. egregious contact that happened within the capitol. the third area of emphasis that our office is also focusing on we set up a strike force to focus on assaults on the media. some people aren't familiar that some of those rioters specifically targeted members of the media and assaulted them so we have assigned specific prosecutors in our office to focus on those cases as well, and i'm naming all these different strike forces to just
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emphasize, regardless of who the victim was, regardless of who the perpetrator was, we're treating all of these cases equally. thank you very much. >> well now begin the question and answer session. press star then one on your touch tone phone. if you're using a speaker phone please put down your your hand set. the first question is from pete williams of nbc news. >> can you clarify for us what intelligence did the fbi gather before the assault on the capitol about the potential for violence, and how did -- did it their and did it share it to the capitol police? >> we received a lot of intelligence, like i said in my starnlg
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statement through different means, through social media or chs sources and then we have a sharing mechanism with our jttfs. we have joint terrorism task forces and in the city in d.c. we have a very robust jttf and in that we have capitol police, park police, mbd and all the other federal law enforcement partners. we shared intelligence through the jttf model and also through our command post structure and then also through other means of -- they have access to our information readily available because they have access to our systems, so all that information was shared with our partners and then we went from there. >> the in, question is from evan perez from cnn. please, go ahead. >> i'm wondering if you could tell us perhaps if you found any indication so far to indicate that, you know, there was planning and coordination for
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these people to go into the capitol and carry out this attack rather than just a spontaneous mob that got out of control, and secondly if you could, one at least senator schumer has talked about the possibility that some people might be put on not-fly list. of these 170 case subject files that you've already opened can you tell us whether you've added any of those theme like a no-fly list as a result of what happened? >> we're looking at all different avenues here, so my agents and analysts and all the other fbi personnel in my office and across the country are scrubbing video. we're talking to witnesses. we're talking to individuals that we arrest and we're gathering that picture, that intelligence, if you will, to understand what happened on the 6th that day in the capitol, outside the capitol. we're talking to our law enforcement partners and not just fbi doing this. it's all of our law enforcement partners as well working in
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conjunction with acting u.s. attorneys mike sherwin's office and our local office here, too, as well. so we're sharing that intelligence amongst each other and put into intelligence the cycle that the fbi has to try to ascertain the true picture of what happened that day. as for the no-fly list, we -- we look at all tools and techniques that we possibly can use within the fbi, and that's something that we are actively looking at. >> the next question is from catherine herridge from cbs news. please, go ahead. >> thank you for holding this event. the two pipe bombs that were found at the rnc and the dnc, does this cross the threshold to domestic terrorism because they are political targets, and do you think this was designed to pull first responders away from the scene as the capitol was breached or an effort to make lawmakers as they evacuated?
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>> so, i'll try to address that question the best i can. yes, those two pipe bombs that were found were found both outside the rnc and the dnc offices near the capitol grounds, and, look, to begin with, they were real devices. they had explosive igniters. they had timers. we don't know obviously exactly why they did not go off. that's being investigated. they were destroyed, disabled by capitol police with the assistance of the atf and that is all obviously being vetted and investigated. what was the purpose of those devices being planted? was it a diversionary type of tactic used by some of the rioters? was it something -- or did it have some type of other nefarious purpose? that's what we're locking at right now as we speak right now and looking for those persons that planted those devices. in terms of the conduct reflated to planning those, you know, pipe bombs, you know, the mention of domestic trip.
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i've mentioned this before. i don't like this tyranny of labels saying an act is domestic trip. we have plenty of federal resources at our disposal, plenty of federal charges to address all of this conduct, from felony murder related to the possession and use of destructive devices to seditious conspiracy, you know, under the federal code that has significant penalties and as mentioned with this strike force that was established to focus strictly on sedition charges, we're looking at and treating this just like a significant international counterterrorism or counterintelligence operation. we're looking at everything money, travel records, looking hat disposition, movement, communication records, so no resource related to the fbi or the u.s. attorney's office will be unchecked in terms of trying to determine exactly if there was a command and control, how it operated and how they executed these activities.
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>> the next question is from pierre thomas from abc news. please, go ahead. >> yes, thank you. are you looking at the possibility that some of these suspects were attempting or planning to take members of congress hostage? >> so i -- i want to talk about mike's -- the prior question first just because i want to emphasize that we have a $50,000 reward out for the information -- any information out and identification of the individual or individuals that left the pipe bomb, so i just want to make that perfectly clear and we're looking at all angles. every tool and rock is being unturned because we need to bring that person or those people to justice. can you repeat the question, please? >> are you looking at possibility that some of the suspects who bp ties and
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other things, looking at possibility of taking members of congress or others hostage? >> so, like i answered the last couple of questions before, it we are looking at all angles here. we're interviewing everyone. interviewing wednesday and interviewing subjects as they get arrested around the country, and within the district as well to ascertain the true purpose of some of these individuals in the capitol that day. >> the next question is from jake gibson from fox news. please, go ahead. >> thank you, first of all. i have two actually. number one, senator cassidy has tweeted out a photo that he said was of an individual that authorities wanted to -- to get in contact with in connection possibly with the killing of the capitol police officer sicknick. number one, can you give us any type of update on that situation and, number two, i know you
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talked about intelligence leading up to the day before or leading up to the day of the riots, but in are some specific reports out that there was, you know, at least one report out of fbi in norfolk that painted a pretty grim picture. can you confirm, that and were authorities on the hill, you know, really ready for what was coming at them? >> so the -- the investigation into officer sicknick's passing is -- is an ongoing investigation. we are looking at everything that we possibly can. it cuts us to the core that one of our law enforcement brethren passed away. it's an ongoing investigations. a lot of tools and interviews we're still conducting, a whole host of video out there. we're reviewing all that information. as for the information that is being presented out there right now about norfolk. that was a thread on a message
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board. that was not attributable -- it was being attributed to an individual person. we deal with specific and facts. that information, when my washington field office received that information, we briefed that within 40 minutes to our law enforcement partners, federal and said law enforcement partners, it got ingested into the jttf system and shared with all the law enforcement process that we have. that's the action that we took on that and that's it. >> this concludes our question and answer session as well as the conference. thanks for attending today's presentation. you may now disconnect. ♪ >> okay. let's take it from there. we heard a lot, but we're still waiting to understand given the intelligence, given the warnings how was this insurrection did,
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this violent mob not stopped sooner? andy mccabe, i want to start with you, former deputy director of the fbi. we hear the numbers. it's been six days, 170 case files, this is the tip of the iceberg. they have 100,000 pieces of digital media, you know, talking about the case is already charged to the initial charges and a lot misdemeanors can grow on the levels of theft and felony murder and you just listened to all of that. everyone is sitting here wondering how the hell they did not stop this sooner. what's the answer? >> brooke, that's -- that's the perfect setup. you said we heard a lot but we understand very little, and i think that's the sum total of what i take away from this. there's a couple things that are just kind of screaming out to me here. >> yeah. >> the first thing that need to be said it's been six days since our capitol was attacked by a violent mob and this is the first time we've heard from
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someone. fbi director christopher wray and acting attorney general jeffrey rosen should have been standing on that stage. >> where are they? >> i -- i can't answer that question for you, brooke. i just don't know. there's no rational explanation as to why we've seen such a lack of senior leadership engaged in informing the public. i can't remember an incident where in recent past where it's within handled this way and that's really pretty shocking. there was the slightest touch on the intelligence issue that we've been discussing all afternoon, the fbi report reportedly from the norfolk field office to the washington field office to the very specific plans tal media monitoring, and i felt like the -- like the explanation was just, well, this is the way we handle it. we have a jttf here and we get
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intelligence in and it's everybody's responsibility to -- >> that would have included u.s. capitol police, but -- >> and that's true. that's the -- that's the structure that the bureau uses to pull everybody together under the same roof and do this work together, but when you get a piece of intelligence that's of such monumental important you don't just hope that the right person will see it. you complete an effective hand-to-hand handoff. you confirm that the right people have what they need to know. this is exactly what we talked about in the aftermath of the boston marathon bombing, a lot of discussion in the fbi about how effectively are we really feeding our jttf partners, our closest partners, with the things they need to know so there's still significant questions around that one. beyond, that i just felt like that -- what we heard from the
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acting u.s. attorney is almost rather to convince us that the investigation is going well. people are having misperceptions because we haven't been told anything until this moment. there's still a long way to go. >> felt reactive and not proactive. i appreciate your list. i'll come back to you. evan perez is our guy. you were on the phone asking the question about, you know, if there was any indication there was planning or coordination going into the capitol other than this mob just heading towards the capitol, you know, and hosting and having this insurrection. you heard the whole thing. what stood out to you? >> well, look, i think what andy mccabe is pointing out is that it's definitely one of the
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frustrations that everybody has with what exactly happened here and you pointed to it which is the fact that we're going to learn more. we're going to learn things that there were things like the fbi norfolk warning that didn't seem to get to the right places and perhaps didn't prompt the right things to happen because it's clear with our own eye you can see the capitol police were not ready and more should have been on. >> a couple of things that i was strike by is the fact they are surviewing seditious and conspiracy charges. during the summer the attorney general bill barr and the now acting attorney general jeff rosen told prosecutors around the country to look in bringing sedition charges related to some of the unrest. pro george floyd and there was a lot of controversy, and the irony is that now this is going to be used against some. president's supporters, you know, essentially who carried out this attack on the u.s.
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capitol. that's a very big deal because it's going to be potentially up to 20 years n prison. some of these people obviously have additional charges they are facing. the other thing that i think is interesting here is obviously they talked about 170 cases. they are talking hundreds of cases of arrests that they expect to have. they are building intelligence to understand whether or not, you know, what the norfolk field office heard on that online thread, whether that is true, whether someone did have some knowledge about the tunnels under the capitol. how did they know that? was there someone on the inside who knew about this and maybe was helping? all of those questions are at the top of the mind of those officials that you saw there because they need to know wlofrpt there's some insider who may pose a threat in the future. >> the two pipe bombs that they were asked about right, outside the rnc and dnc, was that a diversionary tactic, the
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potential of taking members of coming hostage. these are all much larger and much more important question. nia-malika henderson is our senior political reporter and i'm thinking about 9 politics of all of this. when you hear about the range of criminal conduct sun matched, various levels of theft, everything from speaker pelosi's personal mementos to national security information to national defense information to -- to an assault on officers and to felony murder, nia. how can the republicans not take action? >> listen, we'll see what republicans can do, but we know what everyone saw on wednesday unfolding in front of our eyes on live television. mows mobs of people wreaking havoc, being violent. of course, it led to the death of five people, a capitol police officer included, officer sicknick and, you know, i feel like today there is a sense of urgency and horror that
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americans are feeling about where this country is right now and what we all saw on television this. press conference didn't match it. i was sitting here thinking it would be a long and informative press conference. i think it ended up being 35 minutes, you know, so in terms of the politics of it i think that's obviously something that will be hand out in washington. republicans will have to figure out where they want to go. i think we know where they have been all along mostly with this president. that's where it will end in these last days even though we know that this is a president who looked at all of the images we saw on wednesday and told those people that he loved them. he was glued to his television and he seemed to be enamored of what they were doing acting in his name and the violent way that they acted there, trying to overturn a democratic election and having, you know, their way
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with those officers and the danger that all of those people were put in, the vice president, the vice president-elect and the speaker and all of the law enforcement happened their staffers. >> traumatic. >> horrifying to people. traumatic to this country, and we don't know what comes next, and i have to say what we saw today wasn't very confidence-inspiring in terms of what we're going to see going ahead and if they are ready because they certainly weren't ready on wednesday. >> if they are red for the inauguration next wednesday. >> exactly. >> next wednesday. >> and all the threats we're hearing about. >> the years ahead, the domestic terrorism visited on the capitol in such a visceral, horrible way, this is where we live now, where we've been for a while. saw the missed signs here. they have got to get red for where we are, and it didn't seem like they were from this press conference. >> nia, thank you. >> thank you, brooke.
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>> former fbi special agent joins me. basically what i'm hearing is a massive swing and a miss from the fbi and doj. really confusing, brooke. you mentioned the phrase, you know, the fbi is reactive and it can be proactive, and i think what they were focusing on was the reactive capacity that they have. at which they excel. if there's one thing the fbi does better than anyone else in the world is solving crimes, and so they are certainly on it. the cases, the charges, but the question that people have is why did you miss this in your proactive capacity before it happened? why wasn't the fbi with it partners able to thwart it, and remember after 9/11 this was the same question, and its ability to enhance its proactive christmas tis was the focus at that time. it is harder to do that when
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you're purely in a domestic capacity because there are civil liberties concerned that you have to balance, but i think even taking that into account it's hard to understand, especially they acknowledge they had intelligence in their hands why it was not followed up on as andrew mccabe said. the other thing i didn't hear anything about at all, brooke, is the potential for future violence which the fbi itself has already warned about in the capitols of all 50 states. that was not mentioned at all, and so, you know, if we look at the press conference as serving several purposes, informing the public, you know, staving off, you know, conspiracy theories and misinformation and deterring future activity and sending a signal that they are on it, i just didn't think it really fulfilled any of those goals. >> left wondering about a lot of things in the coming days and especially inauguration and throughout the country and the
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state capitols where residents with open carry weapons and in some of these -- i think the word american loosely are threatening this violence, it just -- my head goes to those worst dark places. arb asha, thank you. andy mccabe, i want to go back to you. >> my mind is back on washington for the big inauguration next week and president-elect biden says, you know, he's not going to let this change his plans for the inauguration. asha brought up, you know, the threats at the various state cap tolls across the country. how concerned are you? >> well, brooke, i mean, i think all americans should be concerned, right? we saw that orgy of violence on the capitol six days ago so that's hanging in all of our minds, but i will say the inauguration can be secure. this is one of the -- one of the times that the federal
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government brings the absolute most resources, best technology. you have your highest degree of cooperation to the table to essentially create a bubble around the affected areas in d.c. to ensure that no one goes in who shouldn't thereby and nothing bad happens. >> what about the rest of the country? >> what about the rest of the country? >> that's what's keeping me up at night. that's not the case in 50 state houses around the country. state budgets who have been beat up by covid and every other negative aspect of this economy. >> they're exhausted. >> they're exhausted. they've been working shorthand and short-manned for years. they don't have the community to rely on that we have here in d.c. it's a very concerning time for our state and local partners, i think. >> we'll stay on that in the coming days. andy mccabe, thank you so much to you, of course, and asha, and nia, and evan.
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aveeno® healthy. it's our nature.™ president trump in texas right now is insisting, and i'm going to quote him now, that the 25th amendment is of zero risk to him but he claims it will come back to haunt joe biden and the biden administration and he adds this line. listen to this. he says as the expression goes, quote, be careful what you wish for. be careful what you wish for. this is is coming from the president. this, as house democrats are pushing ahead to impeach him as soon as tomorrow in the aftermath of that insurrection last week on capitol hill. with me now, presidential
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historian douglas brinkley and harriet lichtman. be careful what you wish for. >> we've learned for the two dozenth time he's not really a lawyer and doesn't know what he's say iing and he always goe on offense. there's reasons that the 25th amendment isn't strong here. >> the quote from the president today in texas, the impeachment hoax is the continuation of the greatest witch hunt in this country and is causing tremendous anger, division and pain, far greater than most people will ever understand, which is very dangerous to the usa, especially at this very tender time. i mean, i know you're an historian, and maybe this is out of your lane. i'm just wondering if this is coded language to those white supremacists who support him. >> no question that it is, brooke. the spasm of violence that took place at the u.s. capitol wasn't
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spontaneous. it was orchestrated by donald trump. he is going to face charges of sedition in one way or another, and that congress would be delinquent if they weren't moving forward with impeachment. there could be the 25th amendment invoked but, of course, vice president pence doesn't want to. so trump is down in alamo, texas. he doesn't even know that that's not where the real alamo is, it's in san antonio. to sound tough and macho, reincarnation of colonel travis and davey crockett. he is a president that's lost fai faith. we have to be cautious of what he says. the fbi has to start monitoring, really, anybody who is interacting with donald trump, and some day he will pay for the insurrection he launched upon
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the u.s. capitol. >> harry, what about potential charges? this language obviously continues from him. are we talking potential sedition charge? >> yeah. they're very real. and he's a bad client because he keeps contradicting what he's saying. if he's not impeached, you have to at least look at them, brooke. you're going to throw the book at all these other folks, but you can't then ignore the ring leader. so i don't want to prejudge where merrick garland -- it is merrick garland, it's not the acting attorney general, they will have to seriously look at him, rudy giuliani and trump junior. >> so much news flying fast and furious. doug, we are in it. can we try to step back? we are on the ppreprecipes of
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history. >> he doesn't even belong in the president club. it used to be harding or buchanan. we now have the president tlaring a coup on the u.s. capitol, the crown jewel of the united states, our election, was rigged without any evidence and has been pardoning people left and right who were his cronies, and they even end up having to do a self pardon. he is more in line with the benedict arnold, joe mccarthy, huey long kind of figure. he doesn't really belong in the president's club. he's in for a rude awakening. he does still have power these next few days, but as soon as he leaves the oval office, he's down in mar-a-lago, all presidents are shocked by having
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power and then none. his twitter is shut down. facebook is shut down. he will be looking for alternative right-wing media platforms and will find the full force of the law coming after him. not just problems with sedition but the new york southern district. >> so much more. gentlemen, forgive me. i'm out of time. i want to hand it to jake. doug and harry, thank you. jack tapper and "the lead" starts right now. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with the politics lead in the final eight days of the trump presidency. today as he faces his second impeachment, he's claiming his remarks before a crowd of supporters were, quote, totally appropriate. they were, of course, not. the president spread election lies for months, essentially pouring gasoline on the nation. and then the morning of the attack, the president lit the match, inciting the mob, demonizing the congress and even his own vice president and