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try to listen to both sides and meet in the middle. compromise with the republicans. >> reporter: certainly not every trump voter we met here is willing to give president biden a chance. randy massey works in the heating and air conditioning business. >> reporter: is there any chance you could see him being good president? >> no. >> reporter: you've given up on him already. >> i haven't had faith in him for 47 years and i'm only 44 years old. >> reporter: buts are on hoping they'll be pleasantly surprised. >> there's potential there. yes. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, roberts county, texas. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris cuomo for prime time. >> i'm chris cuomo welcome to "prime time." i've got to be honest this week. i was worried even the day of the inauguration but we were able to inaugurate a new president in america without
more bloodshed. that is a low bar. but it is where we are. what matters is where we go next. biden must do better and we will watch those efforts bust we also have to hold those who did their worst to account and that's. starts with trump. here's the latest. his trial will be delayed several weeks. both sides seem to want this for very different reasons. here's the part that matters for us. i think that increases the trouble for trump. here's why. time creates opportunity. and the more we learn, the worse it looks. okay? new information. trump was reportedly going to replace his acting a.g., according to the "new york times," with a loyalist who would pressure georgia to change its vote. he reportedly considered firing jeffrey rosen, the acting a.g., after he allegedly wouldn't comply with the request to back the election fraud conspiracy theory.
so why didn't trump do it? once again, the threat of mass resignations at the doj. we've heard that before. trump doesn't like that optic. he was worried the publicity over his malfeasance would overshadow his fake fraud ambitions. so we'll stay on that. more like that is going to come out. but let's turn from the worst to the new burst. energy from the man in charge. biden has a team of pros. a team makes all the difference. see, trump was a solo act so all you got was what he would give you which was very little which put the media in pain. put outing proposals on biden's team in all the different directions. it's the advantage of having a team. yet, they cannot get anything done beyond executive orders and that is not the way for this government to function. for two reasons. one, you know.
gop members insistent on opposing biden for their own advantage, impressing this infamous base. the second what i want to talk to you about tonight. i don't think a lot of you have ever heard about the what is happening in the senate. and what always happens in the senate, but it's the game within the game that they don't talk about. okay? it is a deal that they make which arguably undercuts your own vote. you keep hearing, they're making a deal, share power, what's the deal, you've heard this, right? what deal? you voted. the numbers what they are. right? that's not how it works in the senate. i don't think most of you know that the power struggle on the hill was not settled in the georgia runoffs. it is this weird game of thrones thing. the senate leaders did reach a deal today to kick the trump impeachment trial to february to allow for action on nominations and covid relief.
but it's not like one-off deal. one issue by one issue. there is a whole framework, a whole contract. biden can sign executive orders but in terms of legislation, there is a problem. on one side you have biden, okay? dealing with the hunger and poverty. listen. >> we cannot, will not let people go hungry. we cannot let people be evicted because of nothing they did themselves. they cannot watch people lose their jobs we have to act and we have to act now. we're in a national emergency we need to act like we're in a national emergency. we have the tools to help people so let's use the tools. all of them. use them now. >> he's right, of course. so why isn't it napping it is so obvious? because in the senate, mcconnell
and schumer haven't figured out how to share power yet. i know. you're like, why? you should not understand it. again, this is a rule, it goes back many years. i have someone tonight who is part of the last senate power sharing deal. where they decide how the minority and the majority will work together. and if you don't go according to the deal, then the rule is, you have to go back to the state of play of the last deal. which shares bower the minority which louss mcconnell to stymie any efforts to get anything done in the senate. how crazy is that? but that's where we are. all right? so what does that mean for us tonight? it means that we have to expose what this is. and why it is happening. and i want to talk about that now. we have two great people to do it. okay?
we have doug hi and michael smerconish. great to have you here. you are smart and part of inside which is good. you're sophisticated guys. i'm telling you, nobody, doug, i'll start with you. on my radio show today, sirius radio, potus channel, they didn't know what the heck i was talking about what do you mean? a deal? explain to people, doug, what we're talking about. where did this come from and why does it matter? >> yeah. one of the first things every congress has, true in the house but what we see in the senate, true there as well and important. the rule structure for how they'll move forward. what the organization -- basically, the organizing rule. how does the senate operate? how will the house operate? with a big majority or a smaller majority but clear for democrats in the house. that's pretty easy. 50/50 in the senate. this is mitch mcconnell's leverage that he has right now
to extract any bit of power that he can in the coming days before it goes to democratic control. at some point, that will happen. but mcconnell is trying to get every last bit that second and the big thing for them now is the issue of filibuster. >> so we'll get tom in a second. just to help people understand. why would mcconnell have any power? any leverage. he lost. the vice president can break any tie. why would schumer to have negotiate any kind of power deal? >> because the vice president is not a constancy. she's not there every step of the way. she has other responsibilities and the dead lock remains. it is an explanation as to why in his first three days in office, president biden signed, i think the number is 29, it might be 30 by now, executive orders in comparison to five for president obama, one for president trump in the same time period. and it creates this situation where it kind of plays into the hands of mitch mcconnell who says, well, wait a minute, mr.
president. i thought you were the guy on wednesday spoke of the need for unity. you're getting it all done yourself. at least trying. to of course, the response is that the president can't count on any modicum of cooperation because of what you're describing so he feels he has to do what he's doing right now. >> so still, i'm telling you. people don't get this and they shouldn't west never talk about it which is weird. why does mcconnell or any minority leader have the right to a negotiation about how they will be influenced after an election? where does this power come from in the senate? and what happens if schumer says i'm not making any deal. >> yeah, the reality is if the numbers were at all different, mcconnell wouldn't have that same ability the that he does now. it is a bit like in the movie, office space. there is a glitch. what they're trying to do when it is 50/50 is fix the glitch. mcconnell as i am before, this is his last point of leverage.
if they're not able to reach a power sharing agreement, crazy as it sounds, even though democrats should control the senate, 50/50 with that then extra vote for vice president harris, the reality is the committee chairs will remain republican and that's what influences legislation as it goes through the united states senate, or as we've seen over the past ten years, legislation that doesn't go through. >> the phrase from every political show we binge on. it will never make it out. committee. then michael, the question again for any reasonable person will be burks who says you have to live by the old agreement? it's not in the constitution. this isn't a law. this is a rule they came up with for themselves. how could it be that you have a new majority but they're bound by some pact among the senators so you don't have the majority be the majority in the committees? >> it is a horrible outcome except for all the alternatives. in other words, what else can
you do? if it were 51/49, we would be having a different conversation. but it's a 50/50 dead lock when all is said and done. it is also the explanation as to why there was an agreement reached today. it seems as if schumer and company gave into mcconnell in so far as pushing off the date for the impeachment trial. they probably want to try to use that as a little bit of carrot. keep him happy. frankly, they're hoping mcconnell ends up in the same place they are. that's the explanation. you're now putting your finger on it. >> so now the other big issue is what's happening within the republican party? there is an struggle. do we stay hard line opposition? everything but us is bad and must die? or do they jettson trump and allow some green chutes to come up in their party? what do you make of that vis-a-vis any eventual trial? >> one of the constants i saw
when i worked on the house majority, weighed vote no, hope yes caucus. this is what we're seeing with a lot of republicans right now. they want to put donald trump in the rear view mirror. he know it is best for them to put donald trump in the rear view mirror but they're scared to make that call themselves. they know if they do so, they put themselves on the firing line for fundraisings for them. and as we talk about what senate republicans may do in a trial, whether or not 17 republicans might vote to convict donald trump, let's keep in mind there are a a lot more house republicans than senate republicans and very few of them voted to impeach donald trump. and they're seeing what's happening now as those republicans who were true patriots and stuck their neck out to do the right thing are facing real opposition from their own colleagues who are trying to remove liz cheney as the conference chair and the other members being threatened with primaries. i know from conversations i've had with folks in leadership,
one of the reasons leadership didn't support the impeachment, and didn't come out against trump's plans on challenging election results was because they wanted donald trump to help fundraise for them that 2022. >> do you think we're wasting our time following this trial because they'll never convict? >> no. i think it has to play itself out. i think you have to follow process. it is serious business when the house passes articles or in this case, an article of impeachment. i'm dubious as to whether they get on 17. i'm not sure that you have the right answer when you say that sometime against the president because more information might be forthcoming. that's true. more evidence like the story you talked about tonight with justice, might be coming forward. the other side, however, is that memories begin to fade and there's the risk that it appears a little bit vindictive. maybe more republicans will say hey, come on, joe biden is the president of the united states. why are we still talking about
donald trump? final thought, if it were a secret ballot, i maintain that the vote would be in the high 80s, low 90s. >> right but we can't have secret ballots. we have to see it. as frustrating as it is, if you can't do the right thing in the light of attention, then you aren't doing the right thing. i appreciate you guys, especially you, doug, good to have you on show. time could mean something else. time is opportunity for people to think about themselves and their own ambitions. and republicans may get tired of getting hit over the head with trump as the sum total of what they're about. and with time, that could get frustrating. we'll see. you're usually right but we'll play it out together. thank you very much. have a beautiful weekend. all right. i wanted you to understand this. because we're at 50/50, they have to make a deal with each other. i know most of us thought, and did i before i did the research,
yeah but the vp breaks it. it is not really a tie. people were saying here's he the numbers. 50/50. it's not a clear win. they have to make a deal. it is the game within the game. and mitch mcconnell has power. he stands in the waste democrats. that's the truth. the good news is we have a former star player from the senate who knows what this game is about and what it takes to outplay the other side even a mcconnell, in a game like this. former senate majority leader tom daschle. next. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪
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a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. there are a lot of calls for unity. i don't think that's what we're about in our politics. this is about a culture of overt opposition. that isn't going to change any time soon. especially in the senate given this power sharing deal dynamic. here's the bottom line. when you don't have a clear majority, okay? the democrats don't. it is 50/50. yes, the pv breaks the tie but she's not there day to day. they have a rule in place. you either make deal about how it will work between the two parties or you are bound by the last deal that was made. and that would mean that the committees stay in control of the old majority. meaning the republicans. so the senate does this at the
beginning of every new congress to figure out, you know, committees, membership, budgets. but now it's more complicated because it is 50/50. so mitch mcconnell has the leverage again and he won't do a deal until democrats agree in writing to keep the filibuster which what? allows the minority to have power and push things to be 60 votes. now, mcconnell, they got rid of it and that's how you got supreme court justices on a simple majority. 50 plus 1. so the question is, should you keep it? it doesn't matter now because the democrats don't even have the number to get it passed. that's a problem. the promise of any legislation on covid relief or anything is therefore in limbo. what will this turn out to be? what does it mean about the larger state of play? i have the perfect guest for you when it comes to this power sharing deal and the dynamic of the majority party having the impeachment of its own president ongoing. who better to ask than former
senate majority leader tom daschle. he went through this deal on his own 50/50 power sharing plan with then minority leader trent lott. great to see you, senator. >> thank you. first, big politics. having sat through the clinton impeachment, what do you think the chance is that 17 republican senators go bad against trump despite all the evidence? >> i don't think is chance is very great. my guess is there will be republicans. it will be bipartisan. i just can't anticipate, i don't really think there's a possibility of preaching 17. >> and to the argument that constitutionally, it is dubious that we should even have a trial because he left office. your take? >> well, i think there is constitutional questions about it. but i think there is ample precedent. i think it was 1868, the minister of war was resigned and was impeached and convicted in spite. his resignation. so we have exams on both sides
to make the argument. i don't think there is any question. there will be a trial and we'll go through with this process. >> i had a law school professor tell me today, it would be a great law exam question. you can argue it two ways. the right answer is to have the trial. now, the idea of the dynamic within the republican party, the idea of what to do with an influence like trump, and where that party will de, what do you think of the dynamic inside that party? >> well, i think there is a lot of division. just an enormous amount about the question of the republican party future. it will depend on the kind of consensus they'll have to reach in the republican party, in the senate especially. mitch mcconnell is in a good position, i think, to help direct that approach and ultimately, the decision that's the caucus will make. it will really be a tough job to overcome the divisions that exist today.
it is as deep as i've seen it in some time. >> why do you think that is? >> i think because president trump had enormous influence in the party. and because in large measure, it is the primary. not the general election that dictates for a lot of members what they do in their political life. that base is very powerful. and it is drawn many large measure around support for president trump today and it will remain a question until that's resolved. i think at some point republicans have to make a real decision about whether they're a trump party or whether they're a republican conservative party. and that's a decision that only they can make. >> do you think they should get rid of the filibusters? is he said the reality, this is about 50 plus 1? you won't get any votes on anything. >> my preference is to go back to the old rules. for 50 years, we only had about 57 filibusters, in part because
you had to hold the floor. you didn't get off a bill. we've changed all that and we've now suffered the consequences. i would love to go back to the old rules. that is still an option before we get rid of it entirely. that's possible. >> he doesn't have the leverage. >> help us understand, why did you guys have the constitutional right to cut a deal like the in the first place the last time you had 50/50? >> well, we had first of all, i had a wonderful partner. trent lott was my partner in all of this. we trusted each other, we communicated with each other, we had been through a lot of fires including impeachment so we understood what we had to do. it took us three tweaks get there but i think it made the difference. we had that chemistry. there is arena, motivation for both sides to want to get a deal. that is what this operating resolution is all about. it is the manual that the senate will use for the next two years to do everything.
and that is a powerful motivation for both leaders to find a way to come together and get this job done. >> so the idea, it is 50/50 but the vp breaks the tie. the democrats win. they're the majority. it is not that simple? >> it isn't that simple. there is nothing do you know on a simple majority in the senate without, you need a lot of the unanimous consent agreements. you need the opportunity to decide what the agenda will be. the nominations and legislation, treaties, in all the things senate is required to do. in order to do that, you need a framework. that framework can't happen without an organizing resolution and it can't come without agreement from the two leaders. >> it can be done for good, it can be done for bad or a very mixed picture in between. i have to impose on you on national television. i'm going to need you back, senator, to understand this in the weeks ahead.
i know it will play a big role in what happens in the dynamic and people won't understand at this time way you do. so please come back and i appreciate you being on tonight. >> thanks, chris. >> be well. there is a whole game inside the game. i know that you were being told in the election, if they can get to 50 -- not that simply. that's why biden is being held up. that's the politics now. to the reality outside the politics. we have some good news when it comes to the pandemic in the form of the vaccine. the cdc reports 1.5 million shots went in arms today. that's the biggest he single day increase reported yet. now, there is a lot of work to be done. you had fauci here saying he thinks it can get double by summer. that assumes a huge rate of increase and we have too many vaccines going into the increase. we doing this vaccination effort. we're tracking it. we have new data, next.
pfizer says it will be sending fewer vials of vaccine at a time and we need more, not less. it was a welcome surprise last month, pharmacists figured out they could squeeze an extra coast out of each vial. now they get six doses instead of five. that will help make up the short fall but the federal government pays by the dose, not the vial so pfizer will end up okay. that's one thing that's going on. if you want to see why this is a problem, look at dodger stadium. do you see that line of cars snaking through lot? most people are waiting hours to get the covid vaccine. why? there's not enough. we should have more of these centers. instead, city after city, we see them closing. red and blue, big state, small state. the governors agree on the problem. >> we will still have far more
demand than we have supply. >> demand will be much greater than the supply for some time. >> we need more vaccines. >> the bottom line is supply isn't even close with keeping up with demand. >> we don't have the supply coming in. >> here's the good news. when we started this, several weeks ago, i told you that i knew this was going to be a mess. why? there was no explanation from the people from operation warm speed tleflt weren't planning for their own success in the last administration. i knew once people started to see the vaccine was safe, but also, that it was a safeway getting back to normal in a community, which hasn't even happened yet. the demand would be a flood. it would always be about supply. that should not be a surprise. now that you have a new administration, how do you make tim supply issue? now you get into problems. my brother is the governor of new york and he does believe that given the lessons of desperation and what he saw with
ppe, that states should be able to go to manufacturers because they got it done more efficiently tlabl the federal government. okay? but the federal government is saying, no. it is not just about needing more. it is about the need for consistency. and that's why it is such a pain to schedule an appointment. i don't know if you've tried but we've tried with it my mom and my inlaws and it's not easy. when you hear about seniors who aren't lucky enough to have younger kids able to go online for them, having to refresh a web page for hours and hours to get a slot before they do the paperwork to see if they qualify, to even see if they have enough vaccine for that appointment to mean anything, it is just a terrible process in too many places. nobody can make a plan without a consistent flow of shots. let's look at ohio. the first shipment was more than 98,000 doses. some weeks, that number drops to 70. on to bounce up and down from tweak week so they can't plan in terms of appointments.
like we keep saying on the show, distribution is only one part of the equation. you have to get the shots in the arms. form we look at two numbers. doses distributed over doses administered. these aren't apples to apples. this is what we gave you. the bottom number is a lag. it takes time to put it into the arm. a sometimes that 72 hours if you're lucky. then there is question of where the shots are going. you see, if you see the big number of how many are distributed, that's good. they don't all go to the health departments. the latest doses show 4.7 million are going to pharmacies like walgreens or cvs. not good or bad, just complicated. and right now over half the doses sent out are going into arms. that rate is nowhere near high enough. since the federal pharmacy
started, they've administrate a quarter of what they get. why? you don't even have the transparency that you would through the state. and the bottom line is you have governors to answer to you but those are companies. they just answer to shareholders, right? both those companies are seeing stock prices jump, right? obviously you have drive demand to. they you go there, you shop, you go there for your vaccine. as for the companies, i don't want to paint anaheim bad light. walgreens says up to 80% of staff at some nursing homes declined the vaccine. why? is this about being afraid? or wanting to save it for other seniors? both companies put out press releases saying they are on track. how? if they're only 25%? this brings us to what needs to be done to fix it. right now there is too much finger pointing and not enough needle sticking.
in utah this week, we learned some 32,000 doses went unused for more than a week. about 14% of the first doses that the state received. my next guest is the man in charge. utah governor spencer. governor, thank you for making time. i know you're crazy busy. i wanted to give you a chance to respond to this. it's been out there for a while and i haven't seen you as much, being able to defend yourself in the state. and then i want to go to the macro issues you're facing. the idea that you wasted vaccines. is this on you? do you not have your act together? what's the truth? >> i don't think any vaccines have been wasted. let me tell you what happened. on day one as governor, i said we will use every dose of vaccine within seven days. if you're not using them within seven days, then you shouldn't have the vaccine or you have too much of it. right now, so the first week after making that decision, we administered 65,000 doses of vaccine.
that is, we had only double 60,000 in the first four weeks so we more than doubled our capacity just at that time. now here is the issue. we've double 97%. of the vaccine we have in our control, has now been administered. it is more than seven days old. but chris, you hit on the key. that walgreens and cvs partnership with the federal government, that's where all the backlog is. in virtually every state right now. >> including yours? >> yes, including ours. what happened was, first of all they sent too much vaccine. and then you recognized the problem, they sent them one hundred% for every resident and every staff person and not all of those are being used, right? so here's what we did. we said, look. they are on track. they've gotten through 85% of the long term care facilities in utah and they have way too much vaccine. they have 15,000 to 16,000 doses that they don't need and can't use right now. we're taking that back and
giving it to our local health departments and it will be gone next week. >> so they're agreeing to give you the stuff. >> yes. >> so let me give you the floor. you give me the three things that you know in your state that have to be changed for you to up how many people you can get vaccinated. >> there is only one thing that has to change. we have to get more vaccine. >> you have enough people and enough places? >> oh, yeah. we're doing over 60,000 doses a week. that's chewing up the backlog that was stuck in these other places, right? we're only getting 33,000 doses a week. so next week, we will run out of doses on wednesday. that will happen every week until we get more. what we need is more insight into the manufacturing process. you mentioned consistency. it is not just consistency with you is it ramping up? if we knew we were going from 33,000 doses a week to say,
50,000 doses a week, in three weeks, then we could repurpose second doses now as first doses, knowing it would make up for it down the road. somebody has to be able to tell us at some point how the manufacturing process is working and give us some insight into what that looks like down the road. >> quickly, do you want to be able to go to manufacturers yourself? >> that won't help anything. that's a huge mistake. absolutely a mistake. any governor that says otherwise is wrong and they know it. look. this shouldn't be the hunger games like it was with ppe, right? that was ridiculous. and we all had to play that game. >> yep. >> we're all in this together. governors are in this together. we just need help from the manufacturers. and government. >> you know biden knows this and you can trust them. >> they certainly blank the issues are because we've all told them. trust his confidence and ethical behavior and we're excited to see that. >> i will be in contact with
your office every week. whenever you want to come on you have an open invitation. i know you're busy. i want to know that they're doing you right and if not, why? so i can hold power to account. god bless and good luck. >> of a great night. >> another facet of what's going on in this country that i think is interesting for you. these people that we saw mob the capital, they were monsters to us. but not to their neighbors, co-workers, parents. our next guest is a heart breaker. imagine being 18 years old, you're a son. you love your father. and you hear him start saying things that make you feel so frightened about what dole or what will happen to him that you go to the fbi. can you imagine being put in that position? i want to you hear this kid describe how his father got to this point and what came next. your journey requires liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need.
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of justice for threatening his own family. according to fbi documents, he told his son and daughter, if you turn me in you're a traitor. you know what happens to traitors. traitors get shot. to his own kids, he said that. it didn't take long for the fbi to find him. his 18-year-old son knew his father had changed and he feared for his own safety and the safety of others. he feared enough that he tipped off the fbi about his own father. can you imagine being put in that position? jackson joins us now. i know you love your family. and i know this is hard. so help people understand why did you feel you had to let authorities know about what was being done to your father and what was happening if his own head? >> i don't really know how to explain it. it was just, it just felt like
the right thing regardless of my emotions and how i felt and how much i loved my family and my dad. i was worried. i didn't think he would actually do anything bad. but him saying anything even remotely threatening to me and my sister and my family and government officials, it was just too much. >> now this wasn't just one conversation. help people understand the context. like for how long have you been watching your father change? what seemed to be the influence on him? what seemed to be that change? >> i wish i could tell you exactly what but it's been definitely over the past four years that it has grown and just snow balled into what my dad has become now. he's still my father but he's changed a lot. >> how so? >> he's been more active on his,
on the internet and obviously the militia and the far right extremists he's been involved in recently. he's been a lot more, i don't more scared. >> will he talk to you about it? >> no. i actually never even knew he was going to d.c. until the day he left. i'm sure it was because of my beliefs but i'm not sure inasmuch. >> and when he would explain to you what he thought was going on in the country how would he describe it? >> he said it as if it was the end of times or that this country was on the brink of its own collapse, but i think it was just him trying to boost his own agenda and make it seem more
like what he wanted. >> when you would talk to your mom about this or any other family could any of them explain it? did they see it the same way you did? >> no, i'm kind of on my own with my family right now with my own views about my dad. and i do love him and i do care for him, but that doesn't ignore everything else he's said and done. what he's said, he's said and there's no taking it back. the fact he said that is enough for me to tell. >> this is not a political argument between a father and son who are both strong-willed. you have real concerns about your father getting hurt? >> yes, sir. it's -- it wasn't just a political thing. it was i was worried about what could possibly happen, even remotely. i was a nervous wreck. >> what's your best sense of what was driving his change and
his fear? >> obviously the man in charge at the time i feel like just really manipulated him into thinking what he is thinking now. i'm obviously not sure about that but i can't know for sure. that's the only thing i can blame this -- the politics he's follows and idolizes. >> now why wouldn't you talk about it? when you heard he was like messing with local militias and stuff like that and that wasn't the man you knew and you would talk to him about it, what would you get back? >> i would get back, um, almost -- only what would happen in the future, not what happened recently or in the past. he would be hyping up something. he would be like i'm about to do something big. and obviously that was washington, the capitol riots.
i didn't know that at the time, but it's something he does. he's not very open with me or my sisters about it. but he was very, very private about it. >> and he was never like this before? >> no. not even remotely. he would never say the stuff he did to me a couple years ago. me and my sister. not once would he even think about something like that. >> and when you say "the stuff when you started talking he gave you ultimatum choose a side or die? >> he said choose a side. and i would cross a line, and he would do something he didn't want to do. that's open for interpretation, though. i did feel threatened at those comments but it's still open.
my sister can say otherwise, but i, myself, felt threatened. >> do you think your dad loves you? >> i do think what he was doing he thought was right, but in the end what he was doing was not right, for himself or his family or the country even. and i hope he realizes that soon enough. and if i could say to him right now, i would want to say i'm sorry what i've done but i did think it was right as well. >> would you do it again? >> yeah. i'd definitely do it again. >> he wound up going to d.c. and wound up getting arrested for what he did there. how does that make you feel? >> knowing that it was probably my fault, but i do feel -- i feel disappointed in him for making that decision even at
all, to go up there and risk his life and endanger others and put his family in this situation. and it might be my fault for talking to authorities, but i don't want to think that. he's an adult and he made his own decisions. >> that last point, my friend, is the only one that matters. i've got a kid your age. i'm a dad. kids don't take responsibility for what their parents do. you didn't make him to go to d.c., you didn't make him choose to do what he did that got him arrested. he didn't get arrested because you were worried about him. he got arrested because of what he did and what he chose to do. what you did was very, very hard. a lot of people wouldn't do it, even with the basis that you acted on because they'd be afraid of offending family,
hurting feelings, especially the man who raised you. and for you to put what's right on top of that is no small task. this not your fault. i'm talking to you because i'm impressed by what you did and, more importantly, why you did it. okay? >> thank you. >> no, thank you, pal. what you did was hard. doing nothing would have been easy. listen, jackson wanted this opportunity. he's in college, he's 18. this is horrible. and i want you to feel what i feel about it, that we can't be about this. i got a kid that age. i can't imagine ever being in that kind of state of mind about politics. and you have to think about it. and one other little note of caution. if you want to buck up jackson and you can find him, good for you. if you come after this kid
because you believe what he did was wrong by your political ideology, i'm going to be watching people who come to him, and i'm going to bring all the numbers of the people i have who watch what i put out, and if you go after him, they'll come after you. because that's wrong. respect his position. we'll be right back. risk of ins and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ woman: now is the time to ask your dermatologist about skyrizi.