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makes it possible, even the suits at the top. i'm going to do a lot of other things. we'll do special on cnn, i'll be seen other places, do some radio work, be around baseball. you're not going to see me go away, but you're not going to see me here on this set anymore. i am -- i don't know what to say, except to you, my audience, thank you. instead of good-bye, how about so long? ♪ ♪ >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin with disturbing breaking news. a texas man who participated in the capitol riot is now charged with threatening to assassinate democratic congresswoman
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alexandria ocasio-cortez. let's get to cnn's jessica schneider with more details. what have you learned? >> this suspect is accused of posting online death threats not only against congresscom ocasio-cortez, but also against a capitol police officers. he said assassinate aoc, and said that officer who fatally shot that trump supporter who had made her way into the capitol on january 6th, garrett miller also allegedly said this -- she deserves to die and won't survive long, because it's, quote, hunting season. now, official do say that miller participated in this capitol attack, and did post extensively on social media both before the attack, they say during the attack as well. he said this, according to prove prosecutors -- a civil war could start and, quote, next time we
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bring guns. of course, congresswoman ocasio-cortez has been very vocal about the danger she felt she underwent. here's what she had to say about that day in particular. >> i had a very close encounter, where i thought i was going to die. it is not an exaggeration to say that many, many members of the house were nearly assassinated. it's just not an exaggeration to say that at all. we were very lucky that things happened within certain minutes, that allowed members to escape the house floor unharmed, but many of us nearly and narrowly escaped death. >> reporter: now this man who posted those threats against aoc
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and the capitol police officer, he's facing five charges. ana, we have also heard now from that man's lawyer. his name is clint broden. he released this saying, he did it in support of former president donald trump, but regrets the decisions. he has the support of his family and a lot of comments are viewed as misguided political hyperbole. given the political divide these days, there is a lot of hyperbole. this man just the latest to be charged. there have been more than 120 people charged federally in this attack. ana, of course, this is just the beginning. prosecutors saying there could be hundreds more charged, but this is where the real work begins. a lot of the people that have been charged, they have posted on online. they talked about their involvement. it's the other people who are definitely more difficult to find at this point. prosecutors, investigators
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searching for them, including whoever may have planted the two pipe bombs outside the rnc and the dnc just a few blocks from the capitol. of course, the charges we could see in the future could be a lot more hefty. they could include sedition and conspiracy. you know, those charges, the penal is upward of 20 years in prison. so a lot to come here, but we're seeing new arrests just like this one announced pretty much daily, ana. >> the more details that come to light, the more we realize how scary all of this is. former president donald trump will have a little more time to prepare for his senate impeachment trial. it than delayed for two weeks under february 9th, roughly the timeline that mitch mcconnell wanted. ja jamie gangel a member of congress say this -- mitch said to me, he wants trump gone.
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it's in his political interest to have him gone and in the interest of the gop to have him gone. suzanne malveaux is on capitol hill for us. what are the chances enough republicans sign on to convict the former president? >> reporter: well, ana, as you know, the senate is split, 50 democrats, 50 republicans. they have to come up with a power-sharing negotiation agreement. behind the scenes they're trying to figure out rule to basically govern on the senate side. for the democrats and the biden administration, they want a lots done in the first is 00 days, covid relief, $1.9 trillion? stimulus, but also the cabinet nominees to be confirmed by the senate. republicans made it very clear they're not splilting the day, they're not splitting the purpose here with impeachment and legislation. they want it is all or nothing. so they took that to heart.
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just listen to senator lindsey graham. >> if up to impeach the president we're going to do it like we have always done. we're not going to split the day. that's the business of the senate once we go into it. they're choosing to do this, we're going to do it the way we've always done it. we have never split the day. >> ana, what was it that republicans, the gop and mcconnell got out of there? well, they were asking that the trump legal defense team get some time for due process to prepare for the senate trial. that is something that they got. not as much time as they had hoped, but clearly this trial will begin in earnest. we're talking about as early as monday. that's when the single article of impeachment will literally travel from the house side to the senate side. that will be filed, announced on the senate floor a following today, a summons issued to trump about these charges, and then critical deadlines to follow. february 2nd the deadlines for
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the response team as well as the house managers in this trial to issue their pretrial briefings. another critical deadline, february 8th, trump will bring forward his own pretrial brief also, hi legal team. february 9th, that is when the house will present its rebuttal as well as the official berth ginning of the trial. ana, it's not anticipated or expected that the president will be convicted. you would need at least 17 republicans to do so in addition to all 50 democrats, but they certainly are going to try. >> trump may be gone, but the drama has not left capitol hill just yet. suzanne, thank you. senator tina smith, good to have you with us. i want to get your reaction to the breaking news, that one of the people arrested for allegedly participating in the capitol riot has been charged with threatening to assassinate alexandria ocasio cortez.
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>> i'm glad to be with you today, ana. this is terrible, terrible news. i think it reminds all of us how deadly serious this attack on our capitol and our nation was on january 6th. i fear the more we find out about what was really going on, the extent of planning and organization among these right-wing militia groups and white supremacy groups, the more we find out, the worse it will get. that's why it's important to continue with full on, and i'm very worried about what i'm hearing about these individuals being -- who were arrested, now being let loose on bail, when it seems like they're a great threat here. >> according to his lawyer, he did it in support of former president donald trump, but he regrets his actions. as you contemplate the
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impeachment article that's expected to land in the senate as soon as monday, cnn is reporting that there's a whisper campaign among republicans privately that some want to be president trump convicted. what are you hearing from republicans privately? >> well, you know, i think the republicans have a really, really big decision to make. the reality of this is that the president told these people a big lie how the election had been stolen from him. they believed him. because he incited them, they did this attack on the capitol. now the republicans have to decide what kind of party do they want to be? do they want to be the party of trump? or do they want to be the republican party? and we need -- to tell you the truth, i'm a democrat, but we need at least two strong parties for democracy to work, but i
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hope they realize this is an opportunity to put an end to the trumpist part of their party. it's up to them in the end. i think the evidence will show that the president did incite this violence and he should be held accountable. >> do you know of any republicans who have made up their mind to convict? >> i can't say that i know that anybody has made up their mind. of course, the trial hasn't even started. as you just reported, it will start in about two weeks. >> "new york times" is reporting today some stunning new details about the lengths former president trump was willing to go in order to try to stay in power. the paper reports in his final weeks in office, even before this insurrection, mr. trump was planning to out then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and installed a loyalist, another member of the department of justice, that would force georgia to overturn its election results. what is your reaction to learning this new detail? is this something that needs to
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be investigated? >> absolutely. this is another piece of stunning information to the length to which donald trump was willing to go to hold on for power, even though he had lost the election. again, another example of what looks like -- just narrowly or country avoiding what would have been a coup attempt. so i think we have to get to the bottom of this. also, we have just seen reported this stunning news that the president seemed to be saying that he knew what to expect on the attack day, january 6th, when he said to folks at the department of defense, you're going to need 10,000 troops. so these are the things that we have to investigate and get to the bottom of. this is how we're going to get accountability and come back together. we can't just walk by this information. we have to get to the bottom of it. >> that news you just reported on our air, did that come from an investigation within congress? where did you get that information about the former president?
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>> this is being reported today. it was reported by a "vanity fair" journalist who was embedded with the department of defense. >> okay. >> it gets at the point that there's lots that we don't know yet about what happened. >> absolutely. i just need to say that cnn has not confirmed that reporting. you and six other democrats have requested an ethics probe into republican senators ted cruz, and josh hawley over the capitol riot. in this complaint it read by proceeding with their objections to the electors after the violent attack, they lent legitimacy to the mob's cause and made future violence more likely. what exactly do you want investigators to look into here? >> what i want to see is an investigation into exactly what senator hawley and senator cruz did, how they were connected, if at all, with the organizer of this rally, what exactly happened here. the united states state senate needs to protect its integrity
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in this moment. senator hawley and senator cruz are showing no remorse, no regrets for what happened. in fact, they are defiant. again, i believe that the path to moving forward has gone to be around accountability for the actions that these senators, and also members of the house, accountability for their actions. while this mob was preparing to attack the capitol, they were giving credence to this baseless allegations that the election had been stolen. even during the attack they were fund-raising off these false allegations. there has to be accountability here. >> let me what josh hawley set -- it's a flagrant abuse of the process, and a flagrant attack to get revenge.
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>> we want -- rather than the interests of their party. that's what we are supposed to be doing here. that is our responsibility. this is not about partisanship. this is about our democracy and whether senators are behaving in a way that holds up the highest values of our democracy. >> democratic senator tina smith, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, ana. six in ten americans say they don't know when they'll get a coronavirus vaccine or where? how will the biden administration change that? plus, remembering the king of talk, a tv legend and a friend to many here at cnn. larry king has died at the age of 87. we'll remember him with debbie allen, billy crystal and robert de niro. >> i don't know what to say, except to you, my audience, thank you. instead of good-bye, how about so long? stay restless with the icon that does the same.
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welcome back. we have new information about the covid-19 variant first identified in the uk. british prime minister johnson warning this variant isn't only more transmissible, but may be associated with a higher degree of mortality. today, however, the director of the national institutes of health here in the u.s. says it's too soon to tell whether this variant is deadlier. with us today is dr. sel selene gounder. how concerned should americans be? so when we talk about a virus being more deadly, there's a couple different ways. it can become more virulent, in that it -- or can become more
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contagious what we're seeing is the you can strain is certainly more contagious, spreading more easily from person to person, so we are seeing more deaths as a result of that. the jury is still out whether the virus is more virulent. does it cause more severe disease in the person who gets infected with this particular strain? we still are studying that. we don't have a definitive answer yet. even if the san diego itself is the same, that means more people are ending up hospitalized we've seen hospitals when they get overrun, the likelihood of dying goes up.
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the staffs in the spread too thin, you have more competition for scarce resources that alone will drive an increase in death. the kaiser family foundation found about six in ten americans, they don't know where on where to get a vaccine. the white house chief of staff ron klain says the federal government is going to try to development a clearinghouse to provide that information. >> unfortunate, the biden administration inhared something of a black box in terms of -- so you have doses coming off the
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manufacturing line. you have doses in pharmaceutical comp companies maybe they haven't been shipped out yet, and you have some doses in the states and other doses, and if you don't have transparency into where all of those trying to figure out i can schedule that many appointments. if you're only get knowing a couple days in advance, it's different to manage the demand. this is something that the biden team is really working on. they started working on right after inauguration, so that is a process of mapping, trying to figure this out so they can give
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more granular data. hopefully they can do so with at least a week or more notice, so people can schedule appointments, there's more predictability in the supply here. >> doctor gounder, thank you very much. up next, we remember larry king. >> mr. president, finally, is it hard to come back to the city, to drive by the watergate? >> well, i've never been in the watergate. other people were in there, though, unfortunately. >> is it hard for you? >> no, i don't live in the past people always want to reminisce about the past. i don't do that. i like to think about the future. th, because hope fuels opportunity.
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good evening. my name is larry king. this is the premiere edition of "larry king live." we're going to meet pass nailing people. i'll ask some questions, we'll take some calls. we hope you enjoy this alternative to primetime programming. that was his very first show here today. we are in mourning today. we have lost a member of our cnn family. larry king was the unmistakable face and voice of this network
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for 25 years. he was everything every journalist and storyteller should be. he was curious, direct, unafraid, and most of all selfless. he made his guests the important ones, never himself. our hearts are broken today. i want you to watch this tribute. >> he was the king of talk. >> who came up with the bunny? due miss it? was it embarrassing? what is it look to be shot? how do you handle the tab lloyds? the one thing you didn't answer is why. was it true you once thought of taking your own life? why do you only have one name? >> reporter: from brando to broncos. >> o.j. simpson is in that car. >> reporter: to liza minnelli
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with a z. >> train wreck. >> i didn't want to say it, but it was. behind the specs, he was the tv legend who hosted cnn's "larry king live" for a quarter of a century. >> do you consider the frank sinatra interview the best you've ever done. >> the minute you step out, you have to know exactly what you're doing. >> what comes to mind when you think of monica lewinsky. are there ever times you can't think of a question? heather mills, mccartney takes off her leg. >> that's good risk-taking. i take risks. >> reporter: he had a career so rich, so deep, he saw it all. joining us now is award-winning actress, debbie allen. really appreciate you taking the time. obviously it's a sad day. as we reflect on his life, what
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a legend, what a legacy he leaves behind. i want our viewers to see this great photo of the two of you. so many heartfelt tributes and great memories are crisscrossing the world today. tell us about your larry king interview. what was it like for you? >> well, i had two interviews with larry. one was on the eve of the oscars where will smith was so blatantly not nominated for a great performance in "concussion." we talked about the diversity of that and what was changing in this world. i talked to him later. it was still somewhat about what is happening in the industry and, he asked me this question -- he was always so spontaneous. i told him the story about being so starstruck when barack obama said my name.
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we laughed about that. larry was -- oh, my god, he's part of that golden age of broadcast journalism, walter cronkite, brokaw. it even makes me think about just the good times, howard, howard who was so funny. oh, my god. larry never needed notes. he had this encyclopedic, i felt, knowledge of whoever he was talking to. he would always just ask those good questions. he had a -- he was like a good doctor. he had a great bedside manner, means he could be there about something that was very serious, but he would make you comfortable, to where you could feel okay talking about it. he might be the only person on camera that i talked to about cosby, because of how he approached it and how he asked
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the questions. he's so going to be missed, but my god we're going to celebrate his life and speak his name forever. he left us with so much. so much we're going to replay and replay, and hear that voice. i got a call from him when i was doing a play at the kennedy center. he said -- i was so excited that he called, i didn't know why. i need you. i'm like, what? he wanted me to choreograph his wife's act in vegas. >> wow. >> i flew back to l.a., flew with him and shauna on his private plane. he was antsy, that plane was going too slow, it was getting on his nerves. he was a joy. >> the way you describe him, it's so familiar to what we hear from other people who have interacted with him and have had the joy of being on his show orb just knowing him as a person.
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he was so authentic through and through. what you saw is what you got on the air, and talk about how he made you feel comfortable, and his brilliance in how he asked questions. he used to say he wanted to make sure he wasn't overly prepared for his interviews. i think that was part of his authenticity. he liked to really listen and he was genuinely curious. i think that's something, you know, that sometimes we all think we have to be so prepared. he wanted to reveal, ask the questions that the audience would be asking as they heard the initial answers. do you think that you, you know, taught him something? you mentioned how he wanted you to choreograph. you're known for your legacy of, you know, being involved in theater and art and choreography beyond your acting career. did you teach him a thing or two, did you think? >> i wasn't teaching him. i was with his wife.
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he wasn't learning any choreography from me. >> in your interviews, when you were talking about the world you know so well. >> i didn't learn anything. i just felt like i got to know him a little bert. it was sobering to be with someone who had been so instrumental to the entire world and their view of royalty, politics, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly, all of that. to be in a room with him and feel so relaxed, it was like i knew him because he had lived in my living room for so long, buts in room -- it was like howard cosell. he was a real character. howard was a character, too, but it was always in the moment. like you said, he was curious. i don't know if it wasn't that he wasn't prepared, but he was just really listening. it's one thing when a journalist is talking to you, trying you to
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say what they want you to say. it's another thing when they talk to you, listen and hear what you really have to say. that was his gift. >> you're in pretty good company of people who have been interviewed by larry king over the decades. presidents, the beatles, olympians, nobel laureates. you've been on all kinds of shows. what was it about sitting at a table with larry king that was different from other interviews? >> i can't say it enough. there was something that was very relaxed about it. i can remember going to be interviewed on the "today req" show. i was nervous because of who was interviewing me, but i didn't feel nervous with him. i felt relaxed, comfortable, and it was fun. we always laughed, and we always took pictures after. he always wanted to take
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pictures. i'm sure he has the most amazing collection of people they could put together an iconic wall of him and all the people he talked to. larry is going to be missed, but you know, he gave us so much. i'm sorry he's gone, and i don't know if it was covid that took him. he overcame the challenges with cancer, and so many other things, heart surgery, but god bless him, and know he's in great hands, and he's with some other great angels right now. yes, he is. >> absolutely. the cause of death hasn't been released but we know he was hospitalized with covid later in the month. that a life and legacy. debbie allen, thank you for sharing some of your memories? >> absolutely my pleasure. tonight cnn remembers larry
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king. you can join anderson cooper for a special tribute. it starts at 9:00 p.m. before that we'll remember the tv legend right here in the "cnn newsroom" coming up i will speak with billy crystal and robert de niro. student.
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the start of joe biden's presidency might bring an end to one of the biggest lies pushed by the conspiracy theory group qanon. this is what qanon thought would happen that donald trump would declare martial law as he rounded up a cokabul of evil-doers. some believers are now questions what they blindly followed. one follower posted this
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question -- we were promised arrests, exposures, mill their regime, classified documents. where is it? also from the q message board -- anyone else feeling less than beyond let down? this is pure hell i'm going through. it honestly feels like we were sold out by president trump, i feel robbed. in a time we needed trump and q the most, they both shut up and left. donie o'sullivan joins us know. donie how is qanon and this group explaining away that joe biden is president and trump went home to florida leadership there's some followers seem to be waking up that they were duped. there was that one central core believe, which they have been told since 2017, which was that trump one day was going to round up and mass arrest the so-called deep states. of course, that never happened, and many people field beel betr.
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they feel tricked. i will say there's so many other strands to this conspiracy theory. even now a part of this is the lie about the election, that the election was stolen, and many americans are still buying into that and believes . so just as there are some folks who are waking up, there were many others who are not. >> let's listen, because you were speaking with a qanon supporter on the day of biden's inauguration. here it is. >> reporter: do you feel like you've been duped, tricked, fooled? >> no. actually i was waiting up until the minute he said "i, joe biden." i'm thinking to myself, my life is about to completely change, because i've been saying i'm even a conspiracy theorist or a prophet. >> reporter: do you think you might wrong about the whole election rigging thing?
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>> no, i'm convinced the election was a fraud. >> when you spoke to people on the day of the inauguration, did anything they told you surprise you? >> reporter: yeah, that gentleman there, he told me like many trump supporters. i'm not a qanon believer, but there are some parts of the conspiracy i believe. i met him early in the morning, very early. he was streaming live on his youtube channel to hundreds of thousands of viewers. he was claiming this qanon-adjacent conspiracy theory that trump was going to declare martial law and the biden swearing-in would actually never happen. when you saw i caught up, he accepted he had bought in some way to the martial law way, but would still believe and insist the election was stolen. he also believes the conspiracy theory it wasn't trump supporters who were responsible for the insurrection, that it was left-wing agitators. >> wow, donie o'sullivan, even
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we're learning stunning new details about the lengths former president trump was willing to go in order to try to stay in power. "the new york times" is reporting there was a plot to oust trump's then acting
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attorney general, loyalist and wield the justice department's power to force georgia state lawmakers to overturn georgia's election results. the only reason he seemingly didn't was because justice department officials unanimously threatened to resign. i want to discuss with this cnn legal analyst and former federal and state prosecutor ellie honig this hour. what could be the potential legal consequences of efforts by trump and others to overturn those election results in georgia? >> yeah, ana, another jaw-dropping revelation about the former president's effort to steal that election in georgia, this time by pushing doj to investigate and potentially charge utterly baseless criminal cases. at a minimum, that's an abuse of power. it does real damage to doj's independence and credibility. donald trump may not care about that. he's never been big on doj's institutional values but here's something he should care about. this could hurt donald trump in
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his upcoming impeachment trial. house managers can use this evidence to show donald trump had a long standing coordinated plan to try to steal this election and they would argue that what happened on january 6th was a natural outcome and extension of that effort. also, this could be relevant to potential criminal charges. the fulton county district attorney down in atlanta already said she will investigate without fear or favor the president's call to the georgia secretary of state. we remember that from a few weeks ago. so again, this could prove that the president had a longer term coordinated plan to steal georgia. obviously, ana, this is a big story and will have ripple effects and could have real consequences for donald trump. >> we know chuck schumer, the new senate majority leader is asking for inspector general m an investigation. will the chief justice preside at his trial? >> the constitution said when the president is tried, the
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chief justice shall preside. as we saw last year, donald trump was president when he was impeached and tried and then presided over the trial. the problem s donald trump is no longer the president. he's a former president but there's only one the president and that's joe biden. so what are the other options? could be vice president kamala harris in her institutional role as the presiding officer of the senate. could be democratic senator patrick leahy, now the president pro tem of the senate. and finished a ticket against donald trump. that could happen again in 2024. pending results of this trial, it will come down to who the senate invites, who accepts the invitation. i think the best solution for all involved is chief justice roberts. he's done it before and he'll eliminate any appearance of a conflict of interest. >> as far as the timeline, we
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know former president trump was impeached by the house for a second time more than a week ago, week and a half ago but these articles of impeachment have yet to make their way to the senate and last night, democrats and republicans agreed for the trial to start the week of february 8th. so here's the question from our viewer. who benefits, strategically, from the two week delay until the trial starts? >> yeah, so that's a really important strategic question. generally speaking as a prosecutor or whoever's responsible for putting on a case, sooner is better. witnesses' memories are fresh, evidence is more available and feels more immediate or urgent to the jury and the public. the longer this is delayed, the more we learn about what happened. hours ago, we learn about the threat to assassinate representative ocasio-cortez. >> great information. thanks for being our guide. >> thanks for having me. much to learn about the life of cnn legend larry king. i'll talk with billy crystal in just a moment but first, i'll
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leave you with this iconic larry king moment. >> this, hit your chest and push your arm out. >> same arm? >> and let the leg go out at the same time. there you go. bring this leg in, put the hand down. hit your chest and push it out. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs. sit! i said sit!
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good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches! wait, what? said she's gonna need crutches. she fell pretty hard. you might want to clean that up, girl. excuse us. when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you built with customizable coverage. -and i'm gonna -- -eh, eh, eh. -donny, no. -oh.
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you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york.
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we begin with news of a profound loss here today, felt deeply here at cnn. broadcasting legend and icon larry king, member of our cnn family has passed away at age 87. he hosted the popular cnn show larry king live for more than 25 years. interviewing major news makers, celebrities, presidents, athletes and so many more people. king left cnn in 2011 after taping more than 6,000 episodes of his show but he kept working until his death hosting "larry king now." not revealed his cause of death but we know he was hospitalized with covid-19 in late december. he was known for easy going dem demeaner, trade mark suspenders, of course. anderson cooper with a look at king's amazing life and broadcasting career. >> more than 50,000 interviews, an infinite amount of what, where, when and --


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