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we will defeat this pandemic. help is on the way. president joe biden announcing the u.s. will buy 200 million more doses of coronavirus vaccines. >> every state will now have at least a three-week window to know how many vaccines are coming. >> it's not enough. at this rate. we're talking about months and months. a trial of a former president is simply vindictive. >> republicans overwhelmingly siding on a procedural motion to essentially throw out the proceedings. >> many of those that voted to try to shut down this trial are once again just trying to curry favor with the former president. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is new day. president biden promising more vaccines are on the way. he says his administration will buy 200 million more doses. that should be enough to vaccinate the entire country by the end of summer. and what about schools?
the cdc now says evidence indicates that schools are not super spreaders. they can reopen safely, if proper protocols are followed. the first white house coronavirus briefing will be held today and it will be led by doctors, not politicians. january is the deadliest month of the pandemic so far. nearly 80,000 americans have died this month alone. >> right now on capitol hill, new developments in the impeachment trial of the former president. 45 republican senators tried to make the argument that there can't be a trial for an ex-president. only five effectively voted to keep the trying going. so let me ask you a question here. riddle me this. if the impeachment process takes a minimum of weeks, not months, are republicans suggesting that the constitution allows the president to commit treason or high crimes and misdemeanors for a period of weeks or months with total impunity? does that sound like the kind of thing that the founders believe? we're also learning more about how the impeachment managers plan to present their case.
video and social media posts to demonstrate how the former president's words, tweets, actions, incited the capitol insurrection. we want to warn you, we haven't censored the video. >> you don't concede when there's theft involved. >> we already voted and what have they done?! they stole it! we want our fuciking back! let's take it! let's go! >> we'll have much more of this and the role it might play in the senate trial. but let's begin with the pandemic. joining us now is cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, great to see you. i think we can all agree, more vaccine is better than less vaccine. but in terms of what president biden announced yesterday, that his administration is buying 200 million more doses of these first two vaccines that are available, just tell me, is that wise, given that we hear that j&j, the single-dose vaccine, may be right around the corner,
which would be easier to administer for everybody? >> right. i mean, you know, we don't know for certain if that's going to be what the data is going to show on johnson & johnson, whether it's going to be authorized. but as you point out, it does look pretty promising. and as we start to do the math there, we can show all the various doses from all the various companies that the united states government has now purchased. but it is well more than what would be needed to vaccinate everybody and certainly to get to that point of herd immunity. 300 million doses of pfizer, 300 million of moderna. remember, they also have 300 million of astrazeneca. and by the way, astrazeneca is going to be meeting representatives with the cdc today to talk about their vaccine and the list goes on. by some of these are just bets, you know, i think they're trying to hedge their bets. and is it possible that there may still even be booster shots of some of these vaccines necessary, as we're talking more about the variants?
so it's -- i think that they're just making some bets and trying to figure out what the future really hold. >> so, sanjay, when the president says they're going to increase the amount of vaccines shipped by 16% next week, really, i think the question is important to people, what does that mean for when my father gets the vaccine? what does it mean for when alisyn gets the vaccine? does it mean that they will be more likely to be able to get that vaccine sooner? >> i think it does. but it is worth pointing out, when we look at the amount of vaccine that has been distributed to states and the amount of vaccine that has actually gone into people's arms, there is still a shortfall there. you've heard from all of these various governors. some states, obviously, getting their vaccine into people's arms much more quickly than other states. i mean, west virginia has been held up as a model of a place that has done this very efficiently. write am in georgia, there's been a gap between the amount of vaccine that's been distributed versus the amount that's actually been administered.
so, there is still that problem a little bit. but overall, i do think that more vaccine will help address that problem. but you've also got to make sure that you have enough of the basic syringes. we've talked about this. you've got to make sure that you have enough of the vaccinators. people who actually push the vaccine into people's arms. and president biden has talked about all of this, but all of that needs to come into place. even as you start to talk about the national retail pharmacies, which i talk to representatives on a pretty regular basis, they do have the ability to really ramp up vaccine administration, but they're going to need resources. some of that is, again, people who are actually administering the vaccine. some of it is just square footage within these places, so you can keep people still distanced, people can be observed for 15 to 30 minutes after they get their vaccine. there's all of these nuances that still need to come into place. more vaccines is a really important part of that puzzle, but this is complicated, as we've known all along. >> as john knows, i've been lying about my age for so long,
it was to be younger. now with the vaccine, i'm lying to be older. >> you're 29. >> i've actually forgotten, i don't know how old i am at this point. sanjay, let's talk about schools. the cdc has new research out that they are not super spreaders. and some parents have said they've known that all along. if kids wear masks, if you adhere to the masks, they can go to school safely. of course, it's complicated by teacher's unions, who don't want t to expose their teachers to unnecessary deadly risk. but it sound like the latest research from the studies suggest that schools can reopen. >> i think so. you know, and i'll preface by saying, i was skeptical of this. i looked at the data going back to last year, i looked at some of the data coming out of south korea on contact tracing studies. and i also just know having kids, kids oftentimes, one of my kids got a respiratory virus, cold, something, everybody would
get it. that was this sort of, you know, i think, belief walking into this. now there's plenty of data. and we can show some of the data. i know you've been talking about this study this morning. but from the cdc, this was published in their weekly report, this was 17 schools in wisconsin. and they were mainly rural schools, but they had good resources. kids were given masks. it sounds like they had space, but what they found was that the incidence of covid among the students was actually lower than the surrounding communities. and that's not the first time we've seen that. we've seen that in other districts around the country and we've seen that in other places around the world. there was about 5,300 total staff and students and 191 over the fall term got -- became infected. but only seven of those 191 actually came from the school itself. so there is the data. i think the question is, and i think it's a legitimate question for teachers' unions and teachers to be asking is, can we
do the same thing in our school district? what were the ingredients to make that happen? and can we give added confidence. the vaccines, for sure. hopefully that will ramp up as we talk about. but we still don't talk enough about testing. i know that president biden has talked about $50 billion allocated towards these rapid antigen tests. the thing about these antigen tests, these are for people who don't have symptoms. if you have symptoms, you should stay home. i think that has been well established. but if you don't have symptoms, could these rapid antijen tests answer the question you're really trying to ask. which is not, do i have the virus, it's, am i contagious? that's the real question these tests can answer. and if they are widely available at schools, at hudson yards, where you guys are, and all of these big locations, could we get to a point of confidence and comfort for the teachers and staff and everybody else, whatever the setting may be. >> all right, sanjay, we'll talk to you again. stick around, don't go far. thank you very much. >> okay. obviously, another big development overturn and that's
the u.s. senate. 45 republicans suggesting they don't even want to have a senate trial about the insurrection at the capitol. they don't want to hear the case against the former president, that he incited the mob to invade the capitol, an invasion that led to the death of five people, including the direct killing of one capitol police officer. joining us now, margaret talev, the managing editor at axios. and i want to make one thing clear, margaret. you know, we don't know what the verdict will be in the senate trial. there could be new evidence that the senators will hear this and there were some republicans who voted not to have a trial yesterday, who paradoxically say that they may be willing to vote to convict. that aside, i do think that we learn something about the republican party yesterday. we've been framing and you've been writing in axios every day about the battle for the soul of the republican party. what battle?! what battle?! 45 republican senators don't want a trial. >> yeah, john, yes, good morning. there's not really two ways to
read that vote. that was a test vote about the prospects for conviction in an impeachment, and unless something extraordinary were to develop between now and a few days from now, we know the answer before it started. so that's what you're seeing. you're seeing this group of, you know, basically five -- it's now the gang of five -- republican senators who are showing a consistent willingness to break away and vote with democrats, to kind of hold a block against some things. but when you need to get to even 60 votes, much less two-thirds, five republican senators doesn't get you there. so it is both a bulwark for former president trump, now out of office, and it is also a real sign for democrats of -- and for, i think, president biden, for some of the governing challenges they're going to have going forward. so i think what we're looking at now is increased discussions around the idea of some alternate measure. my colleague yesterday at axios,
reporting that senator tim kaine, who's a democrat, and senator susan collins, who's a republican talking about siding up on the idea of a censure vote against president trump. it would be history making. it would obviously have less teeth than a conviction, but there would be the censure of an ex-president for actions he did in his waning days. and renewed talk among a democrats including cane, about the 14th amount, which should potentially prevent from president trump seeking office again. they would need more republicans than they have now, essentially to get thing done. >> margaret, remember when republicans cared about a police officer being killed? remember their outrage at antifa when there's violence? remember the hearings that they held for the better part of a year, after benghazi?
i mean, the idea that they're not talking about officer brian sicknick. that they aren't demanding somebody be charged for that, as far as we know, no one has been charged yesterday. for that officer's death. and i was so struck, margaret, by something that former ambassador nikki haley said yesterday, said on monday, i should say. she was talking about the victim here. but the victim, as she sees it in the insurrection, is donald trump. here she is. >> they beat him up before he got into office. they're beating him up after he leaves office. i mean, at some point, i mean, give the man a break. i mean, move on. if you are truly are about moving on, move on. the idea that they're going to do impeachment, that's not going to bring our country together. that's only dividing our country. >> move on from the capitol insurrection. >> or, give him a break. poor guy. >> give president trump a break? after the words that we heard.
the words that the mobsters heard that they say incited them. >> i think you're raising an important point about the context of this impeachment, because it is a historical first when you think about the context of the events leading up to it, right? i mean, there was loss of human life, as a result of the siege on the capitol and former president trump certainly whipped up the crowds before. i think if you're a republican or an attorney wi, you can deba the legal prospect for incitement. impeachment has always been a political tool. you don't need the same standards for impeachment. impeachment is the will of a body. and in this case, the will of the body doesn't seem to appear to have the willingness to go forward with the conviction. but you don't need to meet the same standard that you would in a court. so the question is, kind of, what is going on? i think it's a separate criminal question, who is going to be
held, which individual protesters are going to be held accountable for individual acts and certainly those investigations are moving forward. but on the political question of former president trump's accountability, you do see in the republican party, and everyone has different reasons, i would not mistake what nikki haley is saying for nikki haley thinking that president trump is a great guy. but she is looking ahead at a 2024 potential presidential run and so is every other republican and several of them are looking at 2022 runs. we did a survey with one of our partners on college voters, college-aged voters and college voters. it's really interesting. this is a different group of republicans or republican-leaning americans, right? they tend to be more, you know, more centrist, more establishment. they see mitch mcconnell as the new leader of the republican party. most republicans in this country do not. do not see that. and i think that is a crossroads
that these republicans are at. and they are looking at politics right now. they're looking at this decision through the lens of politics as well as through the lens of accountability. >> yeah. i mean, nikki haley doesn't think that president trump is a good guy, but she does think he's a victim. it's just, it's just amazing. margaret, thank you very much for all of that reporting. >> thanks. >> dr. anthony fauci, top doctors from the president's coronavirus team join anderson cooper and dr. sanjay gupta for a new town hall tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. some republicans are now taking aim at fellow republicans, who voted to impeach the former president. that's next.
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role in citing that insurrection at the capitol three weeks ago today. the attack led to the deaths of a u.s. capitol police officer, brian sicknick, and four other americans. joining us now is democratic congresswoman katherine clark, she is the assistant speaker of the house. congresswoman, great to have you here. so you all sent this article of impeachment from the house over to the senate and then last night, 45 republicans decided at the senate trial is unconstitutional. so what is your response? >> well, it's good to be with you, alisyn. and my response is, impeachment is moving forward. there was a procedural vote and we will now move on to a trial. and let's think about what this impeachment is really about. it is about justice and it is about accountability for this president. and the senators who voted not to move forward with the impeachment took the same oath of office that i did at the
beginning of the month. we have to live up to our constitutional duty. we owe it. we were there. we were witnesses to this violence, to this insurrection. and we heard the words of the president, telling people, this mob to fight like hell. signaling out to come to washington, because it was going to be wild, in his words. what we have now is a democracy hanging in balance. the trial will go forward and the senators must uphold, not only their oath to be impartial jurors, but their oath of office and duty to our constitution. >> as you point out, as we all saw with our own eyes, this blood-thirsty mob beat the hell out of police officers. so it was striking to hear former ambassador nikki haley talk about how you guys are actually beating up on president
trump. here she is. >> they beat him up before he got into office. they're beating him up after he leaves office. i mean, at some point, i mean, give the man a break. move on. if you truly are about moving on, move on. the idea that they're going to bring our country together, they're only dividing our country. >> is it time to give poor president trump a break? >> you know, these cries of victimhood will just induce some eye rolling if they weren't so deadly dangerous. what she is proposing is that we say to all future presidents and to president trump, you can do anything that you want. you can lead an insurrection, you can divide this country, you can lead a giant lie about our elections and their security. you can erode the fundamental
pillars that hold up our democracy and it's okay. because i, nikki haley, have my eyes on running for president. and i think this is the formula. it is shocking, it is against our constitution. and fundamentally, all of this is about the security of the american people. in this pandemic, are we going to finally put our eyes on them? you know, they just voted for for joe biden because this administration wasn't seeing them. to somehow decry that this is just picking on poor donald trump, when not only did he lead an insurrection, but he has never had a national strategy, and here we sit, 420,000 americans who have died from covid-19.
there was no strategy for vaccination. and in one week of the biden administration, they are turning that around. >> i'm sorry to interrupt. i do want to get to what you're calling on for covid relief in a second. but very quickly, you know, congresswoman liz cheney shares your outrage about what president trump did in the terms of the words that he used and the incitement of the mob. but now you know her fellow republicans are trying to oust her. you know, matt gaetz is going to the capitol of wyoming tomorrow to hold a rally against her. what does that tell you? >> it tells me that matt gaetz has forgotten who he works for. matt gaetz has forgotten his oath of office. we work together for the american people. and the ideas that we don't agree on every policy, but that we take an oath of office. that we will uphold the constitution. and to turn on people who have said that they feel that a
president who leads an insurrection, who continues to feed a lie and propaganda to the american people about who won that election is somehow a victim and makes people who stuck to their conscience look at the fact. we were all there. we are witnesses to this violence. and what the words of the president and his enablers did. what they caused. so it is long past time that we remember our oath and who we work for. and that our top priority as members of congress and for any president is the security of the american people. >> quickly -- >> and that is why it is so important that we get to that work. and we're going to do this on two tracks. because we have to. impeachment and crushing this virus and restoring our economy. >> quickly, i do want to talk
about what you're calling for with covid relief. as you well know, women have been hit so hard by covid. i don't just mean getting sick, i mean, losing their jobs. the statistics are just stunning. i mean, women are 66% of the people who have left the labor force. they're dropping out at four times the rate of men. very few female business owners have gotten those ppe loans. and then there's this, 140,000 jobs were lost in december. they were all women. all of those jobs were women. and so i know that you're calling on more money for child care to be included in the covid relief. but wouldn't just opening schools solve a big portion of this? isn't it time to get kids back in school? >> we have to do all of the above. child care is absolutely critical infrastructure if we want to reopen an economy. and we have to look at it also, child care is a great example of what you were just talking
about. the devastating effect for women in the pandemic economy. so we look at who helps us raise our children. who provides the early education. it is women and predominantly women of color. and we have this terrible paradox in this country where child care is very expensive for parents and pace ys very low wa and benefits for providers. all of the pieces that we need to rebuild an economy are really seen in the child care example. because we need to support women with pay equity, with paid family leave, making sure that we're raising the minimum wage and that people are paid a living wage that when they're working full-time, they can support their family. and schools have to become the safest place in our communities.
we are not going to have a recovery, even with a fair and equitable vaccine distribution, if we don't address these issues. we always have known they existed, but now they're in stark release. >> it does sound like the cdc is releasing research that schools are safer than people feared. congresswoman katherine clark, thank you very much for talking about all of these issues. great to have you on "new day". >> thank you, alisyn. the cdc now says it's safe to reopen schools if precautions are taken. so how can that be done? still your best friend. and now your co-pilot. still a father. but now a friend. still an electric car. just more electrifying. still a night out. but everything fits in. still hard work. just a little easier. still a legend. just more legendary. chevrolet. making life's journey, just better.
teachers are an enormous high priority. that's one of the many reasons why we're going to get vaccines pumped out into the states and the doctor's office as quickly as we can. >> well, the biden administration wants to vaccinate teachers before other people so children can go back into the classrooms. the cdc now says it is safe to rope schools with mask wearing and social distancing. joining us now is dr. paul
offit, he's the director of the vaccine education center of the children's hospital in philadelphia and a member of the fda vaccine advisory committee. dr. offit, great to have you here. so the research over the past year reveals that schools are not super spreaders. they are, in fact, some of the research suggests, safer than being out in the community. but the devil is in the details. and that is that what we hear from some superintendents is that some very large public schools don't have the room for, say, plastic barriers and social distancing that some smaller schools do. so now what? >> right, alisyn, in philadelphia, a number of parochial schools are open and are seeing children and opened safely. we need to get back to school. the virtual learning is not the same as on-site learning for many in the public school system, this is the only decent place they get during the day
and the school system is often the place where you can pick up on child abuse. the teachers are the ones that are at greatest risk, much more so than the children. but i don't think we have to wait for vaccination. i think we have to be able to provide a mechanism whereby we can get those kids back into a public school setting where it can be done safely. it may require more money for those schools, but i definitely think we need to do it. >> i think that's the thing and that's what these studies really highlight, this is something we can do and we know how to do it. what this shows among other things is that masks work. if there's any clearer example of the facts that masks work, i don't know what it is. these kids are wearing masks in school in wisconsin and so are the teachers and it's not spreading, basically. but the issue is, can you replicate? or how can you make it so we can replicate this wisconsin model across the rest of the country? how do you make classrooms more safe, doctor? >> right. so you -- if possible, you try to have smaller classroom sizes.
sc so-called pods. it's the teachers that move from one class to the other, so you don't have these crowded hallways, separate the desks as much as possible, don't eat in a cafeteria, so you're not all sitting together with your masks off. there are a number of strategies that can be done. this was done in denmark a while ago successfully. and they put out a missive explaining how they did it. and that's the missive on which the cdc based its guidelines. we can do it. i think we can do it. and we have to do it. >> teacher's unions, as you know, are fighting it because they don't want to understandably expose their teachers to some deadly risk. and they say they don't have the money to do the things that -- to retrofit in the way that you're talking about. >> again, as john said, we're not helpless here. i think with masking and social distancing, this is a virus that's spread by small droplets. if you stand six feet away to the degree that you can and mask, you have a dramatically decreased risk of getting this virus. i think we need to move forward here. i agree with teachers that they are essential workers so they need to get back to work.
>> the other way of asking the question that a lot of people are phrasing it like this now, doctor, is why can't we just open all of our schools now? why doesn't this indicate that we should just have open schools? >> again, i think there are some schools, it's much more difficult to do that. we need to get together and find a way. where are those larger public schools, where you have more difficulty eating at your desk, or more difficulty with a smaller classroom. we have to find a way to do that. but i have to believe this is doable and the teachers can work with us to do that. with the superintendents to do that. >> do you think that the new variants play any role in the calculation of when to open schools? >> no. i mean, the variants -- we do worry about the variants, because we -- the most important thing you want to make sure is the variants don't escape vaccine-induced immunity. and you'll know that's a problem when you see people in this country who received two doses of the moderna vaccine or received two doses of the pfizer vaccine, that nonetheless are hospitalized with covid-19, with one of these variant strains.
when you see that happen, then you know it's a problem. right now for the moment, it's a theoretical problem. we know with some variants, like the south african variant, when you look at serum from people who have been immunized twice with this vaccine, there's a lesser ability to neutralize that virus. but less doesn't necessarily mean it's not good enough. and we're not going to find out until we see how it plays out in the real world. get ready for a second generation vaccine with these variants, if that is a problem. but for right now, it's not a problem. >> it's a theoretical problem, but the way to keep it a theoretical problem is to wear masks and get vaccinated! that much we know. >> john feels strongly about this. >> it's true. it's crystal clear now. so blatantly obvious. dr. offit, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. president biden taking on climate change today. we have details on what he wants to do, next.
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new this morning, president biden will sign a number of executive actions today focused on climate change. it includes a pause on new oil and gas leases on federal lands. cnn chief climate correspondent bill we're joins us now. and bill, this is the fulfillment of some of the president's campaign promises. >> the most ambitious promises ever by any american president, john. and you often wonder, what if we
can see climate changing, planet-cooking pollution. how would we think about this issue? well, we got hold of a camera that does just that and what better time to show it off than this morning when more of that sweeping action is expected. >> reporter: during a 2020 filled with broken record-breaking fire, drought, massive swarms of locusts, and so many hurricanes they ran out of name, joe biden programsed to help avoid planet-cooking, climate-changing fossil fuel suicide. >> the cry for survival comes from the planetist. >> reporter: and within hours of his oath, he signed an executive order for every agent and organization to be guided by best science while undoing many of the results of donald trump's fossil fuel fetish. the first target listed involves places like the permian basin of texas, where a certain kind of heat-trapping pollution belches unchecked and invisible. unless you have a special infrared camera like this, which
can turn a texas bluebird sky into this. and this is methane. a greenhouse gas 80 times more potent than carbon dioxide. if co2 is a blanket of average thickness, methane is a blanket as thick as lebron james is as tall. the gas does lose its potency much faster than co2, but the volume is staggering. along with all the active oil and gas production, the u.s. has millions of abandoned wells leaking methane. biden's strategy to stop this may become clearer with wednesday's second batch of climate orders, when he's also expected to halt any new drilling and fracking on federal land and water. and since he also rejoined the paris accord, the whole world is watching. >> we come back, i want you to know with humility, in the absence of the last four years, and we'll do everything in our power to make up for it. >> i am so happy to hear john kerry say this, because we need
the u.s. to be back at the center of the action. >> not so happy, republicans like ted cruz, who's already turned trump's line about representing pittsburgh, not paris, into a bumper sticker. but the evenly divided senate also has a democrat. >> i'm joe manchin -- >> reporter: who once shot a literal hole through his own party's climate plan. >> i sued epa and i'll take dead aim at the cap and trade bill. because it's bad for west virginia. >> reporter: in a statement, the senator from coal country now says the paris accord must be improved so all countries are held to the same standard and that every resource must be used in the cleanest way possible. >> who do you think is a bigger obstacle to the goals of real climate action? is it republicans like ted cruz or is it a coal state democrat like joe manchin? >> it's hard to substantiate, you know, which one is more or less of a threat. >> reporter: the sunrise movement had twice as many members arrested for their 2018
capitol hill protests than the mob on the day of the incursion. and their cofounder vows to keep the pressure on everyone, including the man she helped get elected. >> i think the key here is that joe biden cannot litigate these issues behind closed doors with obstructionist republicans. he cannot immediately moderate or temper his vision. there's this false sense that just taking a policy and moderating it or making it milk toast will make it apply to a broader swath of people. but that's simply not true. >> reporter: and for biden, this test is timed and every day this invisible problem goes unsolved, the results get a lot more visible. and to avoid congressional obstruction, joe biden does have one tool in the box. that is declaring climate a national emergency, much the way donald trump used border security to free up money to
build that wall. he's not expected to go that far. chuck schumer is urging him to do that. but today he will declare it as a national security threat, something the pentagon has been saying, alisyn, only since about 2014. >> bill, i don't know how much that cool new camera cost, but it was worth it to see that horrible -- >> it's amazing, right. >> amazing to see that horribly disturbing image of what it captures. thank you very much for bringing us all of your reporting, as always. >> you bet. republicans who objected to counting electoral votes on january 6th, they're finding out that some consequences hurt more than others. john avlon has our reality check. >> if you want to find out what's really going on, follow the money. that's why the decision by some major corporate donors to stop supporting the 147 republicans who voted to overturn the election is sill sending shock waves through washington. this is the kind of consequence members of congress pay
attention to. because cutting off their money matters more to some of them than the ethics of their decisions. political action committees associated with roughly 280 companies contributed $21 million to republicans who objected to counting the electoral college votes. five of those members hauled in more than a half million dollars from these corporate pacs before the attack, including house minority leader kevin mccarthy, steve scalise, and elise stef stefanick. smaller corporate donations also flowed to congressmen who have been linked to the stop the steal movement, including scott perry, andy biggs, pmo brooks ad paul gosar. no one thought they were giving money to people who supported sedition, said jpmorgan ceo
jamie dimon. turns out some of them were. cnn reached out to see which companies decided to take a stand. 120 companies have decided to pause or end political donations in some form since the attack. 12 said they would continue political donations as normal. they apparently see all of this as an extension of politics as usual. it's not. but the real accountability comes from the 33 companies that are specifically suspending donations to the seditious 147. either through the 2020 cycle or indefinitely. these companies include at any time, cnn's parent, comcast, amazon, walmart, general electric, alphabet, and verizon. this should have an impact. it's probably the only form of punishment they'll care about other than getting rejected by voters. and most represent safe seats without competitive general elections. remember, this all happened because the incentive structure in our politics is so screwed up that 147 republicans thought it would be easier to go along with trump's big lie rather than do what's right. but sometimes, money talks when
other attempts at reason fail. just look at how quick many right-wing media organizations retracted their repeated, but baseless claims of voter fraud when threats of lawsuits came calling. the stark reality of extremism has caused big business to rethink its approach to politics. for example, the chamber of commerce is supporting president joe biden's $1.9 trillion covid-19 relief bill. that's a big deal. but there's always the possibility that some of these companies are just waiting for the heat to pass. they're betting on forgetting. and already, we're seeing desperate attempts from some politicians to turn the page and resist accountability. you'll hear some conservatives explain they're experiencing cancel culture because of the freeze on their donations. don't buy it. this isn't punishing political speech. this is about defending democracy. and that's your reality check. ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music)
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cnn has learned that house impeachment managers are preparing to use what we're told is visceral evidence of the deadly insurrection at the u.s. capitol. video posted to social media released by the national security forum just security which shows rioters echoing the former president's call to action. >> we're going to walk down to the capitol. >> yeah, we're going to walk down to the capitol. >> yeah! >> let's take the capitol! take the capitol! >> take the capitol! take the capitol right now! >> joining me now is alberto gonzales, the former attorney general of the united states under president george w. bush. counselor, i'm glad you're here. i need a good lawyer this morning for this reason. i need you to explain to me why the founding fathers would have
created a constitution that allows a president of the united states to commit treason or high crimes and misdemeanors in the final weeks or months of his or her presidency. why would the founders have written the constitution like that? >> i'm not sure that they did, john. i think that -- first of all, i think it is appropriate for members of the senate to ask the question, is this constitutional to have a trial of a president who is no longer in office? there are a lot of smart people that have been looking at this question, and i think on balance you can make arguments both ways. i think on balance from my perspective, i think it is constitutional to assess whether or not this president has committed high crime or misdemeanor. but, you know, at the end of the day, i think the senate is going to answer this question by and large. this is the kind of political question that courts are loathed
to be involved with. so whatever the senate decides here is going to establish a very strong precedent that i think that courts will respect and, obviously, future senates will respect as well going forward. >> there is a precedent which has to do with the secretary of war under andrew johnson and there was an impeachment and a trial after he resigned. and the congressional research acknowledges like you do that there's no definitive answer but the balance of scholarly research says there can be an impeachment and a trial. it just doesn't work in my head that the founding fathers would have wanted a president to be able to operate with impunity in the final weeks or months of the administration. it doesn't compute. there's no reason in my mind they would want that. let me move on, attorney general, because -- go ahead. >> let's have one comment. some people may view the very act of impeachment itself by the house as a sufficient punishment. particularly historical second impeachment. but be that as it is, go ahead
with your question. >> one of the things you told alisyn a couple of weeks ago you felt was essential in this country was accountability for the insurrection on january 6th and then an acknowledgment by the president that he had been lying in his claims of the election. you said that's essential to heal the nation. that was two weeks ago. how much progress have we made in those two weeks on those two things that you deemed essential? >> well, i think the very act of the impeachment and the trial is part of getting to the truth. and what flows from that, once we know what is the real truth, there's acceptance of the truth by most people, most americans, then you have accountability. and again, the trial is part of that process as well. but i stand by that, john. fervently. i'm very disappointed in people who question what the truth is here. if republicans, particularly republican officials, republican
lawmakers, have evidence that the election was stolen, let's see it. we all deserve to see it. and so i'm very disappointed in republican lawmakers who continue to maintain this position. i'm also disappointed in president trump. again, he's had ample opportunity to present the evidence. that has not occurred. and you have to question, you know, what's going on here. obviously, the evidence is not there, and, therefore, i think there should be an acknowledgment that the election was not stolen and either that he was not being truthful with the american people or that he was given false information by his aides, but that's all very important in order to heal this country. >> you finithink if you were a sitting u.s. senator you'd vote to convict? >> this is going to be a question of how i'm going to assess the information provided to me. some senators are going to apply criminal law standard. there are no rules here. some senators are going to apply their own personal judgment,
rely upon their conscience. some will be affected by politics. and so it just depends on how each respective senator is going to view his or her obligation under the constitution. from my perspective as a lawyer, yes, i would be guided by my experience in the criminal justice system but i also would have an acknowledgment that our criminal justice system is sometimes not perfect in achieving justice. so i might apply different standards with respect to impeachment trial. >> i do want to ask you one final thing. the oregon republican party passed a resolution calling the invasion of the u.s. capitol a false flag, saying it was fake somehow to make donald trump looked about. and that's a state party passing that resolution. i've heard you talk about this before. you were elected, finally, for a second, just before you ended up joining the bush administration statewide in texas. do you think that you could be elected right now as a republican or win a republican primary right now in the state
of texas? >> you know, john, i would worry about that, quite frankly. and i sometimes have wondered to myself whether someone like george w. bush could be elected state wide, if he had a different last name. based solely upon his principles and his policies, could someone like george w. bush be elected in texas? i would like to think he would, irrespective of what his last name is. but i do worry about that. >> alberto gonzales, we appreciate you being with us. i appreciate your legal advice. always need a good lawyer early in the morning. "new day" continues right now. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." the government's top scientists are well b to hold their first briefing of the biden administration. what most people want to know, when can i get vaccinated.
where can i get vaccinated? is there enough vaccine for me? will there be enough vaccine for me when my turn comes up. these are simple questions, but there are few clear answers or have been so far. the biden administration is trying to change that. the president announced the amount of vaccine shipped will increase 16% starting next week and the u.s. purchased 200 million more doses overall, enough to vaccinate nearly the entire population by the end of the summer. >> senate republicans still rallying behind former president donald trump and they appear willing to overlook his role in the deadly insurrection at the u.s. capitol. 45 republican senators voted to try to prevent an impeachment trial by claiming it would not be constitutional. even senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, who just one week ago directly blamed trump for inciting the violent siege. but the rioters themselves are very clear on who called them to do it. they say donald trump's words