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♪ this week, i am in tacoma, washington, and seattle, washington. hanging out with the john brown gun club and now, tacoma against nazis. so i am talking to white people who want to end white supremacy. and want to do it the way people normally do it by hashtagging it. right now, they are protesting a nazi-owned tattoo shop. i should say, allegedly, a nazi-owned tattoo shop. i don't want to get sued by nazis.
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♪ what can i do? now, that's a question i hear a lot from people in my travels, during these hectic times. but if i am honest, it's really a question that i mostly hear from white people. specifically, well-meaning, white, liberal people. see, black people and other people of color, we don't ask what we can do to help. in our history, we have always had to figure out a way to make the world a better place, while also finding ways to make it through the day. some people are starting to realize that, uh, no, things are pretty effed. and those white people have taken to protesting,
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hashtagging, phone banking, donating, and a little c crocheting. but some white people are second amendmenting. specifically, these white people. not to be confused with these white people. i know, it's confusing. these white people are the redneck revolt. now, they aren't a bunch of rednecks revolting against equality like i first thought. they are actually revolting against the rednecks who are revolting equality. i will explain. the redneck revolt was found in kansas, colorado, which means these people are exercising their second amendment rights so they can protect their neighborhoods from a resurgent wave of neo-nazis, white supremacists and whatever this guy's gott going on. the alt right is described by the southern poverty law center as a community, whose core belief is that white identity is
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under attack, which other than the cancellation of "roseanne," i have no idea what they are talking about. here they are, marching with tiki torches in order to keep away black people, jewish people, and mosquitoes. now, most people associate this type of thing with the south. but remember, the south isn't just a geographical location, it is a state of mind that extends from the deepest parts of texas, all the way to the pacific northwest. in response to all this, the redneck revolt has spread to the pacific northwest, too. that's right. this guy's a good guy? well, wait a minute. that wu tang hat is a good sign. i am heading to meet the seattle-area chapter called the puget sound john brown gun club, in the backgrounds, doing their thing. >> today, on "united shades of america," this is happening.
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lucky for my already-ringing ears, they are taking a break from the shooting which gives me an opportunity to pull aside members. >> so what made you decide to -- to want to join up? >> i grew up in a really rural area and that's kind of part of my identity. >> yeah. >> you know, it's sort of always been a hard thing to find a place in the left because, tends to be the thing of, like, either you are against guns or you're against gays and black people. >> humanity. you are either against -- >> yeah. so like that's sort of the -- the tradeoff. >> yeah. >> i think this organization felt like a place that matched my politics, and my history. >> okay. because like, you know, john brown gun club. john brown certainly was not right wing as we define it now. >> all right. let's talk about john brown. john brown was a 19th-century abolitionist, who was so committed to the freedom of black people that he decided to take out an armory in virginia,
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with 21 of his friends. needless to say, it didn't go well. he tried to get more people to go with him. but even harriet tubman and frederick douglas were like, nah, i'm good on that. but good luck in heaven. but john brown's example continues to resonate with many white activists today, like the redneck revolt. >> what number of the club were you? >> 11 or 12. i joined about a year ago. the reason for joining is i saw what happened in charlottesville. i am a semi-observant jew and seeing the violence in charlottesville made me feel compelled to actually do something. >> okay, wait. white-jewish guy. a white woman. i need to talk to a regular-white guy. >> seattle is really white. i live in seattle. it's like -- it's like norway, essentially, right? but my neighborhood is like, 80%-plus people of color. and around the election time, all of a sudden, there is like white-power slogans at my kid's park. and the swastikas down by the lake, where i go hang out with
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my family. and like, all this stuff just starts swirling. this elderly african-american couple a few blocks away. like, someone painted the n-word on their truck. and that's just like messed up. and so, i was just like, well, i mean, time to, like, get off my ass and do something. >> yeah. why aren't more white people here? and i mean, maybe here with us right now but i mean, here, in this frame of mind? >> that's the real question. that's part of what we are doing is, like, can we create a space where we can do community defense. so people who are trying to fight back against the sort of various elements of oppression in society. they can -- they have the space to do it. >> yeah. good job, white people. >> so this is my nra-membership card. >> okay. can i see it? >> sure. >> so, what happened? >> this is kind of, like, out of spite. >> reporter: let's be clear. these holes don't show how close he is to a free-frozen yogurt.
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these are bullet holes that redneck revolt member shot through his nra card, in protest. >> so, the nra membership is required to shoot at certain ranges. >> yeah. >> i begged them. i said, is there any-other second amendment organization that i can join and they said, no, that's the only one. >> really? >> so, i hate the nra. i think they're [ bleep ] cowardly organization. i have no respect for them. >> that's clear. >> yeah. even from the standpoint of gun rights. >> yeah. >> because they -- they failed to stand up for philando castile after he was killed by police. for -- for exercising his second-amendment rights. so -- >> so, can i ask you a personal question? >> you can. >> how would you identify yourself, racially? >> i am from morocco. i am an arab immigrant. >> i saw you. i am like i think he is a double agent. i didn't want to say anything in front of your friends. >> no, it's true. like, most of the chapter is white men. and that's -- i don't think anyone should be surprised by that. because when you look at guns, at least gun culture in the united states, it's heavily
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dominated by white males. and we want to change that. >> excuse me, for one second. >> reporter: with the range hot again, the group asked if i wanted to shoot some of their big guns and i was like, not really. a gun punched me in the nose. so, i will be filing charges. when you are in there, it's hard to remember. those are good-white folks. they are but that's not usually the sounds of the good-white folks, historically, if you -- if you know what i am saying.
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>> black lives matter. >> when you say black lives matter. that's anti-american and it's racist. >> reporter: oh, rudy, is there anything you know? alicia is one of the coolest, most-intelligent, and down-to-earth people that i know. but the way in which the media test twists her work is a monument to white confederacy. so like a confederate flag in south carolina, we are taking it down. >> i am always happy to see and talk to you. >> let's get it popping. >> yeah, this is happening. no, this is good. you know, there is so many places i could go with this conversation. i want to start with a lot of people still think it's against white lives. >> you know, it's interesting. whenever black people declare unity, in the midst of, like, unmitigated chaos. somehow, it is so threatening to white people. it is as if when black people say we love ourselves, white people be like, oh, you hate me? wait a minute, isn't this an opportunity for you to declare that you, also, believe that
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black lives matter? >> we can't all matter. >> matters limited. >> yeah. >> shows us a lot about where we have left to go. >> you know, you get pointed at or sort of accused of being anti-white. >> and like, my dad is white. what are we doing right now? >> how is this working? so i saw you at an event i put on and invited you to. it was a live podcast. and there was a woman on stage. she was confused about the definition of racism. >> very confused. >> yes, it would have been easy for you to -- >> pop off. >> yeah. it was like watching a jedi sort of looking at somebody who doesn't know how to use a light saber. >> yeah, because it's not about white people. it is about white supremacy. and white people have to disinvest from this stuff. and they are not going to, if, like, every time there is some hectic shit going on, you got to pull out the light saber because at the end of the day, they are
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not going to come back and you need them to come back. but for the most part, i think, what's real is that white people are not taught about how they have been put in a position of power. and that's exactly how it's allowed to fester. and continue. and then, from there, you don't stop there and just be the most conscious, and still not do shit. like. you know what i mean? >> yeah. i have attained the highest level of wokeness. >> some people do that. exactly. now that we've done this -- >> yeah. >> -- we need to actually get in the trenches. >> so then, what is your reaction, when you hear about groups like the redneck revolt? >> they must be in a long tradition of anti-racist organizing, amongst poor and working-class, white folks. i'm not as familiar with their work. but i can tell you that more groups, like that, are needed. >> yeah. yeah. white people have to get better at getting their people. >> that's right. >> we need -- you say allies.
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how do you put it? >> co-conspirators. >> co-conspirators. we need allies because co-conspirators go to jail with you. they're not like, you will be okay. >> yeah. black lives matter. >> thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. >> so i know a lot of people are watching this show right now like, kamau, that was a great segment but i don't know if i am quite ready to get a gun. well, lucky for you, alicia brought one of her co-conspirators with her, director of the group people's action, george gayle. >> let me be clear, you are only here, because of her. >> yeah. i know that. i know that. yeah. yeah. >> and i don't mean that in a bad way. i mean she was like, you need to book george. and i was like, okay, okay. >> you know how we do. >> reporter: his organization is taking a lead on dealing with our country's deep-rooted social and economic issues by organizing america's work class, often targeted by the white-supremacist movement. so start off. just tell me about your organization. >> so people's action is a
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multiracial working class people's organization. we have got hundreds of thousands of members. we are doing, for better or worse, the biggest-rural organizing program in the u.s. the only one that's bigger is the alt-rights. and like what we do is go out and community organize. that means going out knocking on doors, listening to people. what they are upset about. like, hey, what if y'all got together and worked on this. we how do we build enough power to actually change things? >> so, what is the conversation that you are having with people about whiteness? >> i mean, like, we are not going to knock on a bunch of doors and say, hey, you want to come to an anti-racist meeting? those would be small meetings or they would be meetings of the people that are already with us. >> that's where i think it's like, well, we are all here again, everybody. nancy, thanks for bringing the cupcakes, again. we always love your cupcakes, nancy. >> yeah. >> that's not what we are doing. >> yeah. yeah. yeah. >> we just finished knocking on 10,000 doors. and bakesically, asking people what is it you are upset about it? what do you want to change?
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and move people into a campaign to win. and then, along the way, then we have the conversations around race. did muslims, you know, like crash the economy? are black people pushing opioids into this part of the state? or like did undocumented immigrants like stash a bunch of money in corporate-tax havens? no. we find the enemy is not each other, let's focus on the real villain in the story. so -- but we can only do that, i believe, if we like start where people are at. work on what they want to work on. build a foundation and relationship. and then, we can start to have a different conversation. >> let's dive into that. what are the characteristics of white communities that people are missing right now? what's actually going on? >> right. right. right. it's really hard to imagine, until you go there, just how bad it is. and it's, like, a different kind of poverty. it's ghost-town poverty. it's, like, the buildings, like, have gotten knocked down but not taken away. it's got a desperateness to it. >> yeah. >> you know, folks are like --
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considering the conditions and the environment they live in, pretty-damn woke. most of these communities are, like, mixed race, just to say. >> uh-huh. wait, wait, wait. so you are telling me that there are folks of all different races living together in these communities? >> yes. yes. >> that are dealing with ghost-town poverty? >> yeah. >> because we don't hear that story. >> i think it is a huge problem. >> what's at stake when we miss that story? >> if the primary portrayal of poor-white people is as backward, trump-loving hill billies, like the people that are with us in these communities are going to be like, hey, if y'all don't want to be on the team, i am going to stop trying out. like, i don't feel like y'all want me on the team. if we are not there, somebody else is going to be. and so, like, i have got, you know, flyers that people have sent me. that are, hey, are you struggling with opioid addiction? like, hey, it's not your fault. we can help you, give us a call. the white knights of the kkk and there is a local-phone number.
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♪ at the gun range, duke from the redneck revolt talked about something i thought about the seattle area for years. >> but according to the stats, the streets of seattle are changing. apparently, seattle's white population declined to its lowest point in modern history. and like many parts of america, ever since donald trump started making america great again, hate crimes are on the rise. doubli double here over the last year, with many being tied to white-supremacist groups. >> you ever see like those good, old boys driving through here? >> you do, actually. and they are not just regular people. they are, sometimes, in uniforms. and they are, sometimes, people of -- of power. >> reporter: let's be clear. she is talking about the cops. >> so you seem like a person where, if i say the words, white
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supremacy, to you, you didn't really flinch. you just nodded. >> white supremacy is a standard in america, and it's always been. and we need to work on actually dismantling it. >> yeah. >> the northwest is the melting pot of all types of culture, right? so when they say we -- >> cnn sucks. >> they also pay my rent! thank you. i will tell my kids. >> make america great again. >> you are doing a good job. love that sweater. >> reporter: now, there are people out there who are willing to go even further than the redneck revolt to stop the rise of hate. i am headed just across puget sound to do what alt-right twitter thinks i am regularly doing. meeting up with antifa. as we all know, antifa gets all the headlines for confronting the alt right. and while the redneck revolt and antifa are associated, they have one, big difference. the redneck revolt is about
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preventing violence, while antifa is like, we wish a nazi would. they, very specifically, wanted to meet up at the japanese-american exclusion memorial and whether you love or hate antifa, chances are, right now, you are feeling a nervous jolt of anticipation, as i am about to sit down with one of these legendary, hard-core activists. >> i was reading an article. antifa. >> reporter: not what you are expecting, huh? this is ariel. and lucky for us, ariel is here to help us learn. full disclosure. tucker carlson from fox news, at one point in the not-too-distant past, labeled me a leader of antifa in the bay area, which was news to me. yeah. yeah. yeah. >> wow. >> kamau bell is, among other things, a host on cnn. he is a supporter of antifa. they hate this country. they want to tear it down. none of that seems to matter to kamau bell.
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you you are peddling hate and bell is. >> it was just funny because i don't -- i have never been to a meeting. for example, just the pronunciation? antifa? >> i usually say, antifa. >> the way i would describe antifa is more like this. like, do you approve of fascism? >> no. >> then, you could consider yourself antifa, if you chose to. so, if you are opposed to fascism -- >> yeah, i am. >> -- then, you are antifa. because it's antifascism. that can be a lot, a lot of things. let's say they are a really great programmer and they have -- you know, they can build a website to educate children. do you think people deserve love? antifa. >> yeah. >> reporter: so antifa is antifascism but in the world of politics, where does it land on our left-right spectrum? it doesn't. >> so, the political compass is more like a square. go down to the bottom left. that's where you find ana
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anarchical. >> where is, like, i'm with her, hillary, democrat? >> probably, the left of center. like, a little bit. as opposed to, like, a right-of-center, more, like, trying to think who is a moderate republican. abraham lincoln? >> yeah, exactly. that's last time we had a true-moderate republican. >> now, we have to talk about the stuff you see on the news and, you no, specifically, like you have actually, at times, had to get out there and mix it up. what was it like? >> so i went to visit this protest in portland. there was, like, the proud boys and this group called a.c.t. it's anti-islamic. and this guy just ran at these two girls. and so, they were both wearing hijabs and he definitely looked like he was going to hit them, jump on them. i didn't really think about it.
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i jumped, like, at him. but i -- i picked him up, like, off the ground. and i threw him on the ground. and then, i just jumped on him and i started, like, punching him. >> it's not easy to imagine you in the streets punching a proud boy in the face. which -- which doesn't mean i don't believe you would do it. you know, how you sort of frame people as like, this is what i am expecting. this is what this person's going to be. and then, sitting with you here right now, it's like, it's not what i imagine. oh. i love that these are -- >> i know. i like that. they're sparkly. >> you want to ask -- you want to ask -- wow. okay. >> i usually have a couple of those on me, just in case. >> just in case. >> i use it for whatever i need to use it for. >> point taken. in other words, stay in line, kamau. keep it friendly. so, you have a bag of things. >> i do. >> let's see -- let's do show and tell. and including the mask. you have a mask, right? >> i do. so, this is good for masking up. this is what a lot of people use. it's just, like, a black b bandana. wear it like this.
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>> okay. my heart elevated, just as you -- i'm like, is something happening? >> ah, here we go. so, these are some of the flyers. >> oh. so this is the thing you put up around neighborhoods? >> yeah. this guy works for i.c.e., grabbing kids, taking them away from families, whatever. it's basically like you post people's public information or you make them known to people. >> are you not afraid that somebody from the other side is going to see that and go i'm going to docks you? >> well, they can go for it. >> you could have shown up today, you know, masked up so that we don't see your face. so there is a little bit more plausible deniability ofr anonymity. >> i could have. it's never made me stop before. >> have you seen this person getting coffee in your neighborhood? or on your bus? this person is part of the privatized immigration detention center. they are a modern-dany nazi
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putting people in concentration camps. be on the lookout. like, saying they are a modern-day nazi. it's inflammatory. it's too over the top. >> it is inflammatory because it is extreme. it's a terrible thing that is happening. >> so the argument from people on the left and the right but even the left is going to be like, these are just people who have jobs and are trying to have a living. and they are just trying to support their families. >> and i mean, i definitely understand that. but the thing is, white, you know, cis-gender, heterosexual men want you to know, you know, once they have come for everyone else, your privilege won't protect you forever. even though, right now, it seems like it will. >> before i wrap it up, i just want to say [ bleep ] tucker carlson. mes. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 14 day system. with a painless, onesecond scan i can check my glucose without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7.
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seattle's art and music scene is legendary for being antiestablishment. so it's no surprise that many of the people from that scene are also interested in dismantling one of america's oldest establishments, white supremacy. today, i am headed to to meet with collaboratives kate boyd and christy anne scone. >> i think, our role is explicitly in saying no. strong-capital n-o to white nationalism. we call our collaboration that. >> i think, a big part of our work is generating and holding these spaces for people to really kind of cultivate
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anti-fascist dreams. >> wow. to cultivate anti-fascist dreams. i feel like i want to do this. >> right? like, we can be creative. we can be snarky. there there's so many ways to say no. everyone can do it, you anyway? >> yeah. sometimes, it can be like, no. and sometimes it's like, no! >> do you have the pocket guide? i am going to give him like -- the little no is, sort of, no, this is bad. and the not ever is really recognizing there is a social movement that is seeking to take over a white-ethnic homeland. >> so, this is like, i voted a straight-democratic ticket. and this is like we got to hit the streets. >> like, the very least we can do is say no to white nationalism. >> this is the power of art i think because this is a very intense message put in a very fun, little package. you know what i mean? the pamphlet offers insight on things like how to diffuse white supremacy. that also included interviews
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with activists in the pacific northwest who worked against white nationalism in the 1980s and '90s. and while they may not identify as such, i'm pretty sure this is antifa? >> there is two of my favorite words in this. they start the whole thing off. how do we solve the problem? >> yeah. when we think of like our own sexism and heteronormativity. we think of a man. and white woman, like, they have gotten a pass. >> and the -- threw women of color under the bus for the vote, really tapping into what white supremacy offered them. >> i know susan b. anthony is beloved and even put on a coin no one cared about but the women's suffrage movement was about white women. that white supremacy would actually be strengthened if white women were given the right
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to vote. whoa, what in the name is going on, white women? black women, on the other hand, had to wait until the voting rights act of 1965 to legally go to the polls without harassment. although, just like my grandmother said, just cause white folks say it, don't mean they play it. >> how do you feel about the redneck revolt? the idea of like progressive people who are also like we need to take up arms or exercise our second-amendment rights? >> it's great. >> oh, that's great. >> yeah. >> oh, look at this. one of my favorite things. grainy, black-and-white footage of black and white people fighting for our civil rights. seattle's long, storied history of coming together to fight racism can provide lessons for people just showing up to the party. and right now, i am showing up to share some soul food with patriot party member and aaron
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dixon. these two have spent decades together, fighting for the cause of justice. >> one thing, i don't want to go too far without noting, there was a narrative black panthers, you know, wanted to hurt white people. and you were there at the beginning and you two were already working together. >> malcolm x went through that evolution. you know, he wept through the period of being a black nationalist. and after traveling, not jurst around the world but in parts of america. he began to realize that the struggle was not just about black people. that the struggle was for the rights all oppressed people. >> that was an enduring kind of solidarity that i felt with members of the panther party and the era and it is a sense of duty for me, and a sense of honor. we are going to look out for each other. >> and the fact that black-americans are such a small population. how could we talk about changing the system, in america? revolution, in america, when we're such a small part of the pie?
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>> reporter: in the late '60s, the panthers banded together with chuck's patriot party who organized people. other organizations doing similar work out of new york and chicago and the young patriots organization, also, out of chicago. talk about the role that, you know, that guns played back then, especially, with the panther party. >> we carried our weapons, everywhere we went. >> yeah. >> people always try to say the black panther party was violent. no, we -- we weren't violent. self-defense. >> everybody was armed. everybody had a loaded weapon. but during that whole period when the fbi got really active and they found a way to bust me. and so, i ended up being charged and convicted of a sawed-off shotgun, one-quarter inch too short. >> wow. >> they gave me ten years. no priors. >> no priors. >> a graduate student. >> yeah. yeah. >> as long as they are able to keep us divided and fighting
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amongst each other, the longer that this racist, capitalist, structure will continue and destroy more lives. it's a never-ending process. >> it's -- it's got to be never-ending? >> i'm afraid so. [ laughter ]
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>> you better have gotten that. >> alicia, it is honestly an honor to meet you. whenever we do actions out, we wear "black lives matter" patches on our plate carriers because we are perfectly aligned with the cause that you help promote. >> excellent. thank you for saying that. so, tell me more. like, why guns? why is guns the organizing principle? >> there is something to be said, for being able to show up to a protest with highly-armed, and primarily violent, like, far-right activists. and they don't do shit when we're there. and everything's peaceful. and people get to speak their mind and protest. and like, you showing up at a rally with a gun is different than me showing up at a rally with a gun. and it is an obligation, in this country, at this point, for me to -- for me, i feel, like i need to go and put my body in front of their guns. and i am okay with that. my wife's less okay with that.
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>> yeah. >> like, you know, and i can use my white privilege to speed on the highway. or i can use my white privilege to, like, put my body in front of other people's guns. >> the idea of white people with guns showing up to prekts people like you who are out there to speak your mind. i am like yeah that sounds right. i don't want you carrying a gun to a black lives matter rally. >> you know, black lives matter already gets characterized as a terrorist organization. i have never held a gun in my life. >> yeah. >> in some way, right-wing elements see it as a way to find common ground between us and allows us to start a conversation with them. >> fascinating. >> so we put out literature at a second amendment rally that said gun control is racist. and we identified and explained all the different ways that gun-control laws have been used to target black men, specifically. >> all-gun laws, predominantly, in america, have been about disarming black people. like, white people are afraid of black people with guns. that is the root of gun law in america.
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the southern slave patrols, to now. >> yeah. >> interesting point. >> before we wrap this up, i feel like i want to invite you to give them something to take to their white people. >> oh, man. >> yeah. >> i think y'all are doing it, honestly. i feel really heartened. the only other thing i can say is keep embedding yourself in communities that people don't go to, except for the alt right. >> on saturday, a group that we work with a lot called t.a.n. or tacoma against nazis, is having a rally outside of a neo-nazi-owned tattoo shop that is actually in my neighborhood. and it needs to be shut down. >> so i am going to -- >> you going to check it out. >> yeah. >> you are gangster. >> when alicia garza calls you gangster, you put that in your bio. my wikipedia page. wrap it up there. the redneck revolt provide their own brand of community defense, in many ways, like
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protecting counter-protestors, taking a page from the black panthers like feeding those in need. and by teaching gun-safety k courses like this one. >> go ahead. z >> okay. i push this button. >> there you go. >> i never touched a gun in my life. and watching this powerpoint presentation makes me want to pe e my pants. so i am nervous about it. >> this is haley. she is a spokesperson for tacoma against nazis. >> so how did you get involve understand this? >> so, there is a local-tattoo parlor in tacoma that is run by confirmed neo-nazis. they would tell you they're not nazis but, yet, they bedeck themselves in nazi imagery. it's important to me that we have a group of people that stand up and to send a public message to say, tacoma is a police where we are not going to put up with this. we are not cool with nazis doing business in our community. >> yeah.
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>> reporter: these photos of the tattoo-shop owner show tattoos of the number 88. and according to the anti-defamation league, that's a white-supremacist code for hitler. there is also this group of a banner of crossed hammers which is the logo of a skinhead organization documented by the southern poverty law center and on their shirt is the wolf's angel sign. the symbol for the nazi party, by the german ss. man, they got a lot of ways to show you they are nazis. we get it, you're nazis. >> so far, we have had two protests outside the parlor. the second protest, things got pretty heated. there were a few moments, that definitely could have escalated into violence, and it was these guys that shut it down. >> wow. >> so much about what we are trying to do is kind of build a coalition, and inspire people to actually take action. and so, we need to recognize everyone has different tactics. they are not all going to be our tactics but we need to, all, link our arms and agree that we have a common enemy. >> so, ifr a q have a question.
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you have a wedding ring. you have any kids? >> i have a baby. >> how is the baby? >> he is 14 months. just started walking. >> so you are a mom, a new mom, married, have a job. and just looking at you, you don't look like a nazi fighter. if i was to read a book called tacoma nazi fighter, i would expect some sort of grizzled, muscled, man or woman, in fatigues. half a cigar. are you afraid? >> i imagine you're familiar with the 4chan. there's a level deeper called 8chan. i learned that this summer. >> 4chan and 8chan are internet boards that attract fringe groups that can share information without censorship. they make the worse parts of twitter look like your grandmother's etsy page. >> there are white supremacists trying to hunt down my address. my husband and i have been nervous. we have a baby.
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we're not trying to be reckless. but we feel so strongly, it's time for us to show up with our faces and our reputations and bodies and take on the risk that everybody else doesn't get to choose whether or not to have the safety. >> that's important part for me, taking the risk, with your skin, your white skin. >> exactly. i'm here to show my white face and show them that i'm here, and i don't like what they're doing. and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. if you look around, you'll see the world can be pretty smart. sit down. actually, really smart. good boy. where do you think you're going? smart move, mom. wicked smart. i think they get it. at capella university, we thought your education should be smart, too. so smart, it can work at my speed? -yep. -you sure it can keep up? well, with flexpath, you can finish
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♪ so the day's arrived for tacoma against alleged nazi tattoo shop. i'm saying alleged, i don't want to get sued. it's important to make sure your afro is at its highest point when you're standing up to nazis. once my fro was ready and this guy put on his bullet-proof onesie, halle got us off to the races. >> we are protesting an erratic and potentially violent group. we're overloading on safety. i think we're going to have a really fun day if we can follow instructions. >> just like a mom. have fun but be safe. >> i am hosting my brother's and husband's joint birthday party at my house after this protest. >> i love this.
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we still have to live our lives. >> so my husband is home cooking his own birthday dinner. for his own party. >> that's because, honey, i've got to go fight nazis, you've got to also pick up some slack. very pleasant, strangely. we could tailgate if we wanted to. it's nice. now, is that on the run2 hat from a couple nights ago? >> yes. >> you went to the jay-z and beyonce concert in seattle? >> yes. >> so you got a shot of what to do. yes. ♪ put your signs up if you like it kick the nazis out ♪ i've probably already broken copyright violations. it's covered under parody. i don't have to pay for this. ♪ i thought i would be across the street from the nazis.
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we're about to walk past the nazi tattoo shop right now. >> whose town? >> our town! >> whose town? >> our town! >> nazis go! whose town? >> our town! >> whose town? >> our town! >> what's up, my man? >> what's up, man? >> how you doing? >> good, how you doing? >> so they got people coming in from the back. they went down the alley, so they're coming in the back. that truck, i don't know if you noticed, came from over here. >> oh. so you're seeing some action happening. >> well, they're just showing up. we'll see how it goes. >> okay. >> looks good. >> looks good, yeah. >> great crowd. >> yeah, it's a great crowd. >> nazis gone! >> their time has come! >> while i was afraid something bad might happen, apparently when you show up with a bunch of committed community members, white supremacy takes a knee. >> so how's this going? >> fantastic. >> amazing. >> yeah.
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>> what do you think? >> it's weird. it seems good, when i was told earlier in the week i was going to go to a nazi protest i didn't go oh, that should be fun. >> but it's fun. >> it is. >> people love getting rid of nazis. >> what feels better than this, right? >> i didn't expect kids to be here. >> this is like an old-time picnic, right? it's like, everybody in america should take a day off on the weekend and protest nazis. it should be just a thing. >> it's so cool to me to see the broad i was of community support. the john rangan club. the moms, people representing the moms. somebody stopped by to say, wow, somebody cared. i didn't think people would show up. >> i think there are a lot of people of color who are going to be surprised. and a lot of people who are like, i thought i was doing enough. >> we aren't just allies, we're accomplices. >> co-conspirators. i'll sleep better tonight, knowing you're out here. cool. i'll let you get back to it. thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks.
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what can i do? that was the question that started this whole thing. unlike most episodes of this show when we ask questions, this time, we've definitely answered it. you can use your privilege to defend others, and you can have fun while you're doing it. you can get directly in the fight and still make it home for that birthday party. and all the while you can learn from the people around you who have been doing this work for years. white people, we've seen what these folks are willing to do. what are you willing to do? it's not a rhetorical question. >> black lives matter! >> it's the first time i've heard a black lives matter chant that i didn't feel i had to get in on. they got it. black lives matter! >> black lives matter! black lives matter! black lives matter!
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this is jared steven leoni. he's 18. he's in city hall in beaverton, oregon. and according to him, he's high on mushrooms. so he starts a fight with some cops. they all wrestle and jared grabs a cop's gun and shoots it. more cops jump in. it ends up taking seven cops two full minutes to restrain jared, and he makes it out alive! this is white privilege. if that idea bothers you then let's just call it benefit of the doubt.


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