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welcome, everyone. a biden administration official says 9 million doses of the johnson & johnson covid vaccine are ready to go into patients' arms after the u.s. lifted on friday a temporary suspension of the vaccine's use. now, that pause was put into place amid reports of a rare type of blood clot in more than a dozen people who received the shot. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta explained the decision to resume use of the vaccine to cnn's anderson cooper. >> this is a rare, very rare but possible occurrence here, and it needs to be treated a certain way. anderson, i'm going to put up this graphic here. just, you know, when you think about risk versus benefit, that's what really the emergency use authorization is all about. and that's what they really looked at here. if you look on the left, that's women between the ages of 18 and
49. for every 1 million doses given, we saw roughly 13 cases of this condition of clotting. but at the same time, prevented 12 deaths for every 1 million doses, prevented 127 icu admissions. that's the risk/benefit sort of ratio. for women over the age of 50, it's even greater, the benefits versus the risks. that's ultimately what this decision was about, anderson. >> cnn's alexandra field is in new york with more on the fda's decision. >> the motion to be voted upon is the janssen covid-19 vaccine is -- >> reporter: a cdc advisory committee voting to resume use of johnson & johnson's single shot vaccine for people aged 18 and up. >> so the vote is 10 in favor, 4 opposed, and 1 abstention. the motion carries. >> reporter: the committee did not recommend new restrictions based on age or gender. but the vaccine will be updated with a new label indicating that women under the age of 50 should
be aware of the risk of blood clots. the recommendations coming ten days after a decision to pause use of j&j. regulators considered evidence of 15 cases of rare and severe blood clots reported among women, including three deaths. that's out of more than 8 million people who got the shot in the u.s. health experts stress the decision to resume use comes with added safety benefits. >> i think it is important to point out that this is a treatable condition if you recognize it right away. it's been good to have this pause just to get everybody apprised of that, so that all physicians know that this is something to watch out for. >> reporter: just as the country's third vaccine will soon return to the market, an even bigger push to once again get more shots in arms. the average daily number now slipping below 3 million following the mid-april high, 3.4 million daily shots. >> we've gotten vaccinations to the most at risk and those most eager to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. we know reaching other
populations will take time and focus. >> reporter: that effort could get a boost soon. vaccine eligibility now considered likely to expand to children under the age of 16 in a matter of weeks. >> i'm quite hopeful that even by may, that we would have a vaccine available for 12 and above. >> reporter: following a review of data collected from a large study of thousands of pregnant women, the cdc issuing guidance that now goes a step further than it did before. >> cdc recommends that pregnant people receive the covid-19 vaccine. >> reporter: johnson & johnson officials defended their vaccine in front of that committee, calling it a critical tool in terms of combating covid not just in the u.s. but around the world. they cited the vaccine's efficacy in protecting against a number of strains of the virus. they also talked about the ease of distribution that comes from the fact that it is just a single-dose vaccine. in new york, alexandra field, cnn. now in europe, regulators
are again insisting that the benefits of the astrazeneca vaccine far outweigh any risks. scott mclean is in london with more. so tell us more about this new statement by the european vaccine regulator on astrazeneca and blood clots. >> reporter: hey, michael. yeah. so you might remember last month, many countries in europe had paused their rollout of the astrazeneca vaccine over concerns about these extremely rare blood clots being found in an extremely small number of people. so the european vaccines regulator did an emergency review over several days and found that they could not definitively rule out a link between the clots and the vaccine and suggested that a safety warning be put on to these vaccines as you would with any other side effect. they also pledged to further look into the clots and try to find a more clear causation or a more clear link. so this latest analysis from the regulator found that these rare
clots affect about 1 in every 100,000 people who get the shot. overall, the analysis, as you mentioned, found that the benefits still far, far outweigh any potential risks of the vaccine because you are much more likely to die if you get coronavirus than you are from these extremely rare blood clots. that is especially true in older people where in 100,000 people, you would expect -- well, you would expect hundreds of covid-19 deaths without the vaccine compared to less than a single blood clot. the one exception to the rule, though, michael, is in people under the age of 30 where clots are slightly more common, still extremely rare. but getting coronavirus -- or dying from coronavirus is also extremely, extremely rare. and so countries will have some decisions to make on that front. in the uk, for instance, they have already decided to offer people under 30 an alternative to the astrazeneca vaccine. >> okay. now, what's interesting is this,
you know, sort of striking difference between uk where you are messaging on covid and the vaccine response versus germany. tell us about that. >> reporter: yeah. so here in the uk, we can absolutely see the light at the end of the tunnel, and the prime minister says the uk is still very much on track to follow what he calls the roadmap out of lockdown and back to normality. so he says that beginning next month, as per the plan, foreign travel and other restrictions will be allowed after several months, and things should be fully back to normal, almost fully back to normal, all of the restrictions lifted by the end of june. on the other hand, it's a very different story in germany. the parliament there just this week passed new controversial legislation which gives the federal government powers to override the autonomy of local authorities if coronavirus infection rates reach a certain threshold, to impose restrictions, impose curfews, and if they reach a higher
threshold, they can even impose school closures. unfortunately for most of germany, well, they've already reached those thresholds. so beginning today, those restrictions will begin to take effect, michael. >> all right. scott mclean in london, appreciate the reporting. thanks, scott. now, let's turn our attention to india, which has set yet another global record for new coronavirus cases reported in a single day, and they've done it for the third day in a row. on saturday, health officials reported more than 346,000 new infections. india's daily death toll passed 2,600 on saturday, and, yes, that's a record as well. and as anna coren reports for us now, all of this has india's morgues, crematoriums, and cemeteries overwhelmed. >> reporter: the rituals of death light up the sky across india. a second wave of the coronavirus which began mid-march is spreading through the country, leaving grief-stricken families desperate for ways to perform
the last rites for their loved ones. the country's crematoriums are pushed beyond capacity. some facilities using their parking lots and piles of wooden planks to meet the demand. >> translator: there are so many bodies coming, we are running out of wood. if it continues like this, then in four to five days, we will have to cremate bodies on the road. >> reporter: one man was forced to keep the body of his mother at home for nearly two days before coming here. >> translator: nobody helped in time. we were running here and there for a ventilator. she died after the oxygen ran out. >> reporter: volunteer groups are working morning to night to receive the bodies of those who died from the virus whose families are unable or unwilling to take them. >> translator: when the bodies come to us, we inquire about the person's religion and if the person is a hindu, we perform the funeral as per hindu
customs. but if the person is a muslim, we do the funeral accordingly. >> reporter: grave diggers in this cemetery in new delhi say they too are struggling to bury the dead. with 15 to 20 bodies arriving daily over the past few weeks. they say it's overwhelming and can't be sustained for long. >> translator: the condition of our graveyard is if the death toll keeps rising, in the next two, three days, we'll have to close it down. there will be no space left here. >> reporter: for many of these victims, the virus taking not only their lives but also the dignity they deserved in death. anna coren, cnn, hong kong. alexei navalny is ending his weeks-long hunger strike while sticking to his demands to get better health care. the jailed russian opposition leader making that announcement friday in a message posted to his instagram page. it comes amid concerns from his doctors that he could have been
near death. sam kiley joins me now from moscow. i'm curious, sam. are you hearing whether navalny's supporters, what they're saying about whether navalny thinks this was worth it, that it achieved what he wanted? >> reporter: yes. i think, michael, as far as they're concerned and as far as he's concerned, it most certainly was worth it. if we look at the statement he made when he announced his end of the hunger strike and, indeed, the instagram post that he'd made before, and these are posts that he does via his legal team. of course he has no access to a telephone or anything like that in prison, but he is able to meet with his lawyers. and his lawyers represent his views more widely on instagram. he certainly acknowledged the importance of his hunger strike in terms of galvanizing many tens of thousands of people across russia to take part in demonstrations last wednesday.
and he also, i think, has definitely understood and signaled that he understands that it was a consequence of the pressure that he put on the russian authorities, the international pressure that came from his hunger strike that resulted in his treatment by independent physicians and the moving of mr. navalny to a civilian hospital. now, we don't know whether or not he's still in that civilian hospital, and his medical team is still demanding that he sees independent specialists. he's still continuing to recover from the nerve agent novichok, which was blamed by the international community and by his people and other leaders in russia on vladimir putin's regime, michael. >> yeah, absolutely. i'm curious what your take is on
how vladimir putin emerges from this. i mean the authorities did compromise on navalny's treatment, so is putin hurt at all by how this unfolded and navalny's standing? >> it's a very interesting question indeed because of course this is a country in which there's decreasing levels of independent media. there is many, many journalists and others, opposition leaders and independent thinkers are in exile or have been silenced. so it's very difficult to exactly gauge the levels of support for people like vladimir putin. but if we look at the opinion polls from late february, which are the last polls that were authentically really assessing the relative popularity of mr. putin against mr. navalny. mr. navalny stood at 19%, putin at 64%. so clearly that was in the early days of the hunger strike.
so clearly it's not making a massive dent on mr. putin, and therefore he's feeling pretty robust, i suspect. >> yeah, indeed. sam kylely in moscow for us. we will take a quick break. when we come back, the desperate search for indonesia's missing submarine narrows as a critical deadline passes. the latest on the efforts to locate the vessel. freshness t. crafted to give you amazingly natural smelling fragrances, day after day... ...for up to 60 days. give us one plug for freshness that lasts. i got this mountain bike for only $11. dealdash.com, the fair and honest bidding site. we sold an ipad worth $505 for less than $24. a stand mixer for less than $20. a 4k television for under $2. a macbook pro for under $16. as well as a playstation 4 for under $16. and brand new cars for less than $900. dealdash.com
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welcome back. dozens of military ships and planes from multiple countries are combing the waters off bali searching for any sign of that indonesian submarine missing with 53 people onboard. the frantic efforts have proved unsuccessful so far, and the vessel's oxygen supply is believed to have run out hours ago. developments from tokyo, there's still searching, but at this point what realistically are the chances of finding the sub with anyone alive onboard? >> reporter: michael, being honest, it doesn't look good. hope is not lost, but it's fading quickly. as you mentioned, the search and rescue operation is still under way to find that missing
submarine with 53 people onboard. but according to navy officials, if the sub is still intact, the crew would have run out of oxygen several hours ago. the 44-year-old sub lost contact during a torpedo drill in the bali strait on wednesday morning. shortly after, an oil spill was spotted from the air. this particular sub has a dive capacity of 500 meters, and the big concern is that the sub descended to a depth of about 700 meters, which is well beyond its survivable limits. it also doesn't have an escape hatch, and experts have said that any rescue efforts would require the sub to be found in less than 180 meters of water. now, we talked with a retired rear admiral with the indonesian navy, who was a crew member on this missing submarine when it arrived in indonesia back in 1981. now, his concern is that a possible blackout scenario was experienced while the submarine was diving into position. he said the sub has a steering
only which is powered by electricity and hydraulics, so if there's no power, then there's no chance to change direction, meaning that the submarine would have continued its dive and couldn't have been stopped, michael. >> yeah, it's tragic, isn't it? blake, i appreciate your reporting on this. blake essig in tokyo. frank owen is a submarine rescue expert. he joins me via skype from sydney. thanks for doing so, sir. authorities said there was enough oxygen to last until 3:00 a.m. saturday local time. that time has passed. realistically, do you hold out any hope for the crew, and what do you think might have happened? >> well, firstly, i don't hold much hope, and my thoughts are with the crew and their families because the period until all hope is given up, if you like, is a particularly harrowing
time. and i think the advice by the indonesian chief of navy that the oxygen supplies were limited until 1:00 a.m. indonesian time this morning was an indication that they're not going to keep searching forever and ever. they have to put a peg in the sand, if you like, that says beyond here, we're now searching for the submarine to understand what happened rather than to save the people. >> and do you have any theories? what can go wrong? if it was diving as reported, what can go wrong? >> well, submarining is a very dangerous activity. there's always something can go wrong. in your -- the excerpt you played just before you started talking to me, there were some theories and speculation about power failures. that is one of the
possibilities. the submarine could have a flooding incident, and generally if a submarine sinks, it's because it takes on more water than its buoyancy system can handle, can overcome. and so if you take on more than about 10% of the weight of the submarine, you have almost no chance of getting back to the surface unless you can pump that water out. and if you've got no power, you can't pump it out, and it takes a long time. the deeper you go, the slower the pumps work because they're pushing against higher and higher pressure. so it is -- it is difficult. i really don't know what's happened. i would be only speculating. i have heard, and i read an article by janes international that reports that the submarine actually sailed with an unserviceable underwater telephone. this is a sonar that submarines
use to communicate to other ships and submarines by voice, and it's generally a mandatory system before you actually go to sea. >> i really appreciate your time, frank. thank you. it's not looking good, but we'll keep our fingers crossed. frank owen, thanks so much. >> thank you, michael. now, the association of southeast asian nations, or asean, is holding a special leaders meeting in indonesia. they're hoping to find a pathway out of the crisis in myanmar. our paula hancocks is tracking all of this for us, joins us now from bangkok. tell us what's expected and also how much pressure is on asean leaders to reject the junta or, you know, push strongly for them to change direction. >> reporter: well, michael, the very fact that this summit is happening is fairly unprecedented for asean. they don't usually get involved in a member state's political situation. but clearly what is happening in myanmar is such a degeneration that they have been pushed by
the u.n. and by others to get involved. now, the most controversial part of this is the fact that that junta leader, min aung hlaing, who instigated this february 1st coup and is really the face of this bloody crackdown against people in myanmar has attended or will be attending the summit. he has landed in jakarta, in indonesia, and was greeted on the tarmac there. it has caused controversy. activists are saying he should not be legitimized in this way. the national unity government made up of the ousted parliamentarians and some of the civil disobedience movement leaders say that they sent a letter to interpol saying he should be arrested once he gets to jakarta and it should be the national unity government that is invited to the summit, not min aung hlaing himself. but we did speak to one former high ranking official within the ministry of foreign affairs in bangkok, and he says if min aung hlaing is not at the table, then there's not much point talking
about myanmar. >> his attendance is very crucial because i think right now we need to get the message directly across to the general, you know, on some very important points. first, you know, the gravity of our concern about the situation in myanmar, how it's impacted asean and also the region, and also the need to bring an end to the violence as soon as possible because, you know, the scale of the violence that we see right now is really unacceptable. >> reporter: he also said that in an ideal world, you would also have the national unity government at the table. but in that respect, it would be likely that min aung hlaing himself would not attend. but there is anger from within the cdn movement and activists within myanmar saying he should not be given this legitimacy. it is the first time he has
actually left myanmar physically since the february 1st coup, suggesting he does have the confidence that he can leave and then go back without any problems into the country, showing that potentially he believes that this coup will be successful. michael. >> all right. thanks, paula, covering that for us there. appreciate it. paula hancocks. now, a vaccine against malaria has shown up to 77% efficacy in a phase two trial. now, that raises a lot of hopes for perhaps controlling one of the world's most deadly diseases. this is a big deal if it works. malaria is a parasitic disease transmitted through mosquito bites. it kills some 435,000 people each year, 94% of this emin africa with the majority being children younger than 5. this vaccine developed at oxford university has surpasses a benchmark set by the world
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welcome back to our viewers here in the united states. i'm michael holmes. you're watching "cnn newsroom." protesters were back on the streets for a third straight day friday over the police killing of a black man in north carolina. andrew brown jr. was shot while deputies served an arrest warrant. one witness told our chris cuomo
she saw police shoot at the car he was in, but no shots were coming from the car. >> what was this like for you witnessing this? >> it was inhumane, and it was sickening to me because andrew brown that everybody knew, that we called drew, was not violent. he never toted a gun. so to me, i think it was just like overkill. they murdered him that was trying to flee away. >> for the most part, officials are being tight-lipped about the incident and say they can't release the body cam video yet because of north carolina law. cnn's dianne gallagher with the story. >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: after three days of
peaceful protest in elizabeth city, north carolina -- >> as you see all these people here, they want answers. >> reporter: sheriff tommy wooten revealing seven deputies that led to the incident of the shooting death of andrew brown jr. are on administrative leave and three have left the force on their own. >> there is absolutely nothing to hide. i am trying to let the investigation unfold. >> reporter: wooten meeting with brown's family for the first time late friday afternoon. though he offered condolences, the family called the sit-down, quote, almost a waste of time. >> the same way we went in and the same way we came out. we still don't know anything. when they called the family, i really thought we was going to see the video. >> reporter: the sherive claims he wants the same but that state law prevents the video from body cameras from being publicly released without a court order.
>> we asked our local officials to release that video. >> reporter: something the city council called an emergency meeting friday afternoon to request. cnn has also joined a media coalition to petition the court to release the videos. officials haven't given many details about the shooting itself. they say deputies were serving both search and arrest warrants issued by an alcohol/drug task force. >> this is an arrest warrant surrounding felony drug charges. mr. brown was a convicted felon with a history of resisting arrest. >> reporter: witnesses claim brown was in his car trying to get away. >> because it's grass so of course it's spinning mud. they stood behind him. i couldn't tell you who shot him. i couldn't do that. but one of the officers or maybe a couple shot him. >> we have a 40-year-old male with gunshot wounds to the back. >> reporter: a law enforcement radio dispatch from the deadly encounter obtained by cnn does reveal that brown was shot in the back. >> he announced he's got one male, 42 years of age, gunshot
to the back. >> reporter: brown's family says its quest for answers is made even tougher when they think about what his death will mean for his children. >> i've never in my life seen a man take up the time and love his children the way that he did and the way he would just look at them, and they loved him. >> reporter: wishing they could see him one last time. >> i would just want him to know, as he did, that i loved him. i loved him. >> reporter: the sliv says e trieding to get all of the elements together perfectly before they release this information to make sure that everything is right. but the family says the more time that goes by, the more suspicious they become. and protesters have echoed that same sentiment, saying that they plan to protest every night until the video is released and then depending on what's on that video, well, they will continue to do so to demand accountability and justice. north carolina's governor, roy cooper, tweeted, calling the shooting tragic and concerning
and said the body camera footage should be released quickly. dianne gallagher, cnn, elizabeth city, north carolina. more graphic video has been released of the fatal officer-involved shooting of that 16-year-old girl in columbus, ohio. the mayor's office says social media and the timing of bryant's shooting with the verdict in the george floyd murder case drove officials to release those videos quickly. cnn's athena jones reports. and, again, the scenes are disturbing. >> reporter: a new view of what led to the shooting of 16-year-old ma'khia bryant. this angle from a neighbor's security camera across the street, showing columbus, ohio, police officer nicholas reardon arriving on the scene, emerging from the vehicle, and shooting bryant in black as she appeared to lunge at other young woman in pink with a knife in her hand. reardon has been taken off street duty while an independent
investigation is under way, fired four shots at bryant within seconds. the police department and the police union president arguing the use of force was necessary to protect the young woman in pink. >> i would ask you if that's your family member up against the car that had a puppy in their hand, what would you want that officer to do in this split-second moment that they had a chance to stop harm to others? we have a duty to protect the public and ourselves. certainly the public. >> reporter: a view echoed by other law enforcement experts. >> immediately upon exiting the vehicle, officer reardon observes an assault that's taking place. he sees one person that's in possession of a knife, and then he sees a victim that's -- or potential victim that's standing next to the auto. officer reardon believed that deadly physical force was necessary in this encounter because the potential victim could have possibly lost their life. >> reporter: explain once again why the officer took these
actions and why he did so so quickly. >> this was an incident that went from zero to 100 immediately. the officer's actions were justified under the purview of the use of force doctrine. >> reporter: mayor andrew ginther saying the city is grieving a tragic loss and stressing the importance of transparency. >> our african-american community in particular here is grieving, not just at this particular tragic event but so many deadly encounters with law enforcement. they're seeing around the country and even here in this community, and so it's incumbent upon all of us to make sure that we are supporting, you know, folks in the community right now that are grieving, but also calling for and demanding for change, reform, and justice and transparency is such an important part of that. >> reporter: police released dash cam footage thursday from shortly after the shooting, part of that effort at transparency. meanwhile bryant's mother grappling with the pain of
losing her daughter. >> my heart is really broken right now because i miss my baby. >> reporter: paula bryant says she is grieving and has been unable to watch the full video of her daughter's final moments. meanwhile, funeral arrangements are being finalized. details could be released as soon as family according to a family spokesperson. athena jones, cnn, columbus, ohio. a grim chapter of world war i is again gaining international attention. when we come back, how the u.s. is preparing to join other n nations in labeling the massacre of armenians a genocide. we'll take you to istanbul to explain why.
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friday to let him know it was going to happen. an official statement from the white house is expected later today. cnn's arwa damon covering this for us from istanbul. arwa, it couldn't be a more touchy issue. tell us about the significance and the timing. >> reporter: it really is touchy, michael, to say the least. what's interesting is that in the readouts both from the white house and from the turkish presidency's office, this was not mentioned. cnn found out about this from a person who was familiar with these conversations, who also described them as being tense. but for quite some time now, of the many plethora of sticky issues that exist between washington and ankara, this has been one of the fairly significant ones. here's a look back on why we have reached this point. for decades, armenians have lobbied and pleaded to have the
mass killings of their ancestors recognized as genocide. the exact number of armenians who lost their lives more than a century ago is in dispute, but experts put the numbers between 600,000 and 1.5 million. the campaign against armenians and ottoman lands included forced migrations, massacres and starvation. for many armenians, recognizing the brutality endured by their ancestors is a crucial step in righting a historic wrong. but modern-day turkey that rose from the ashes of the ottoman empire has long maintained the killings were not systematic, were smaller in number, and do not meet the legal definition of genocide. in fact, the word "genocide" and the legal framework around it only entered the mainstream after world war ii. the word was coined by a polish lawyer to describe the nazi's
systematic attempt to eradicate jews in europe, what we now call the holocaust. turkey has softened its position over the years with turkish leader recep tayyip erdogan in 2014 issuing a first ever statement, calling the events of 1915 a shared pain and offering condolences to the descendants of the killed. turkey still argues the events need to be put in historical context, that hundreds of thousands of people from other groups also lost their lives in rampant killings, some of which were carried out by armenians. the historical debate has long been overshadowed by politics and recognition of the armenian genocide. for years, turkey's allies in the west had side stepped the label of genocide in order to keep ankara in the fold. as turkey's ties with the west became rockier than ever, a slew of genocide recognition bills have been passed in european
capitals. turkey's rivals like russia and syria also jumped in to recognize the genocide label. one of the remaining holdouts has been the united states. but with u.s./turkish relations strained to new lows over the last two years, momentum has been building in washington to recognize the events as a genocide. during his term, president obama shied away from using the term "genocide," choosing to call it an armenian term meaning the great calamity. in 2019, both the senate and housed passed a resolution to recognize the armenian genocide. but president trump refused to call the events a genocide. now it's up to president biden to decide which side of history the u.s. stands on. and, michael, there are commemorations under way as we are speaking in armenia marking this very painful day for so
many. and for armenians, having the u.s. president recognize what happened more than a century ago as being a genocide from their perspective would be righting a historic wrong. and once again, we have the situation where people's pain is just being caught up in geopolitics. >> all right. arwa damon there in istanbul for us. thanks, arwa. the white house has wrapped up two days of high-level talks on tackling climate change. bold promises made, but will they lead to meaningful action? we'll speak with an environmental scientist coming up after the break. ♪
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millions of good-paying jobs around the world. >> now, the president also said tackling the climate crisis can lead to greater international cooperation. he noted russia's willingness to work with the u.s. on co2 removal despite differences on other issues. deborah brosnan is a scientist, environmental entrepreneur, and a marine resilience specialist. she joins me now from washington. thanks so much for doing so. let's talk about what's come out of this. how important for a start is the fact that after four years of donald trump, including pulling out of the u.s./paris accord and so on -- how important is it that the u.s. is back in a leadership position as the world faces these critical issues? >> oh, i think this is tremendously important. this is probably one of the most exciting times for the u.s. in a long time. this was a huge success for president biden and a huge
success for the u.s. he signaled to the rest of the world that america is back in business. america is back doing what it does best, which is leadership, innovation, entrepreneurship, and bringing the rest of the world together. this was amazing. >> yeah. i mean there is such urgency on this issue of emissions. i meantime quite literally running out to mitigate what's already happening. are you confident we are perhaps moving past noble words and into meaningful and impactful action? >> i'm optimistic that we're moving past these pledges and promises which we've heard for many years now, and we did hear some of it, particularly on day one. certainly there was an element of, i think, countries showing up for what i call a cup of tea and a chat and talking about what they're doing without necessarily saying how. but i think as the conference progressed, we began to see a little more about how we're
going to get there. >> yeah. something that the president did on day two was he made that economic case for fighting climate change, and that's a significant aspect of winning over doubters, isn't it? the fact that moving to renewables is actually good for the economy and jobs, right? >> oh, absolutely. i think if we look at the data and the facts, right now there are three times as many jobs in renewable energy as there are in fossil fuel energy. and the imf came out and said there are at least 80 million jobs to be had in green technology. so these numbers are already very high. i think our challenge is to help educate the rest of the world that have been perhaps schooled in more of the fossil fuel industries that climate change and protecting the planet against climate change is not synonymous with losing jobs or prosperity, in fact quite the opposite. >> china and russia, to that point, they both attended the meeting. you still have russia champing at the bit to drill in the
arctic. china added more coal plants last year than the rest of the world took offline. it's significant they showed up, but can you see, for example, china moving quickly enough? >> yes, i can see it start to move, move faster. similarly with russia because i think there's something very important. one is that china and russia are experiencing climate change just like the rest of us. northern china has experienced water droughts. russia has permafrost melting. it has more wildfires. they're suffering just like the rest of the world. they're having to deal with the same problems. so i think it's not surprising they showed up. i think they showed up because they've got concerns and they have something to offer. i think they showed up because america was leading too. >> we're almost out of time, but i wanted to run this by you too. speak to the view expressed by many that climate change is a crisis multiplier. it has national security implications because you've got these flow-on effects of
everything from weather, of course, but food, crop issues, forced migration, and, you know, competition for resources and so on. >> absolutely. i think climate change is one of the most wicked problems because it's so interconnected. when we have droughts, when we have livestock, people are displaced. they move into cities. we get an increase in crime. we get migration. we get refugees. pretty much all of the ills in the world can be traced back in some way or other now to climate change problems. and absolutely it's a wicked problem. we've got to be tackling it on all fronts. but i believe that we can. >> deborah brosnan, thanks so much. fascinating to speak with you, and let's talk again. >> thank you so much for having me, michael. it's a pleasure. now, the spacex crew dragon capsule now in orbit is racing towards the international space station where it will soon dock. the endeavor's pre-dawn launch on friday went off without a
hitch, but later its four astronauts had something of an unexpected close encounter. a piece of space debris apparently seemed to be close to the ship as the crew was getting ready to sleep. now, spacex says the astronauts climbed into their spacesuits out of an abundance of caution. turns out that unknown object was further away than first thought. and we will be having live coverage of the docking in a little more than an hour. thanks for watching cnn, spending part of your day with me. i'm michael holmes. follow me on instagram and twitter @holmescnn. the news continues in just a moment with my colleague kim brunhuber.
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