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with, if they have child care, can afford it so 20 million women cann n ibe back in the workforce. it makes no sense to me. but i'm going to have to be able to explain this and i'm going to keep banging at it. i think i'm not being solicitous and not trying to ruin your reputation. i think most of you understand -- whether you agree with me or not, i think you understand what i'm saying. it's fair to say this is about making the average multimillionaire pay just a fair share. it's not going to affect their standard of living a little bit. thank you all very much. >> you've been listening there -- you've been listening to president biden. he really covered the gamut from restaurants to republicans, as we heard, victor. >> yes, he did. >> he said so many interesting
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things. we'll start with the republican in-fighting and he weighed in and a final chuckle with how he doesn't understand republicans anymore. >> the remarks at these things after the scripted comments are usually the most revealing. here obviously the most pass passionate. he also talked about there being a mini revolution within the republican conference and he expected after trump that the party would be farther along in determining who they are. we heard from mark mackinnon about who the republican party is. the president saying he doesn't understand republicans. >> wasn't it interesting to hear him justify the raising of the corporate tax rate and to justify all of this spending. i guess it's his style when he's really serious and when he wants to underscore a point, he whispers, as we just heard. what he's doing he doesn't believe will deprive any of the executives of their second or
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third homes or their private jets, and as he said, i think, passionately, that it would really affect the lives of the people he grew up with. >> yeah, corporate tax, 21%, wants to increase that to 28%. the question is, would he compromise to 25%. he said he's willing to compromise, and this is what we're probably going to hear from republicans throughout this administration, that quote from him that he's not willing to deficit spend. if the president goes if that direction. that sound bite will, of course, come back. let's bring in cnn's ryan nobles on capitol hill. a passionate defense of his proposals on capitol hill and a defense of what's already been signed into law. >> yeah, that's right. it's not a surprise. we've known from the very beginning that president biden has wanted to go big. that was a big part of his campaign pledge when he was running for office and then his inaugural speech, the speech we saw him give to a joint session of congress, made it clear that he wasn't going to back down from some of these big
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proposals. while he's willing to work with republicans, if they can find common ground on some of these issues like, for instance, a lot of these hard infrastructure projects like bridges and roads, that he wasn't going to back down from the bigger, loftier goals about dealing with climate change and dealing with greater access to education, whether it be pre-k education or a free community college. these are things president biden believes he wants to get done and he wants them to get done now. i also think it's important to point out, victor and alisyn, the back drop of all of this is the timeline democrats are really concerned about. you know, historically, you know, the first midterm election is dangerous for the party that is in power, particularly the party that holds the white house. and they're nervous, especially given the margins in the house of representatives that they may no longer control the house of representatives after 2022. that's part of why he needs to get some of these big ticket items done now. it's not going to be easy. we're dealing with a 50/50 senate. whether they go the
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reconciliation route, there seems to be some roadblocks there. it's clear biden has made it clear to the folks up here on capitol hill that he wants to go big. that's what we'll see in this package over the next couple of weeks. >> you're also covering the in-fighting in the republican party which president biden just called a mini revolution. >> yeah, you know, it's interesting to hear him describe it as such. i don't know if mini is the way to describe it. for the most part, it seems clear that donald trump owns the republican party. what we've seen happen here over the past, you know, two weeks demonstrates that at a great level. it was just a couple months ago where there were republicans, in fact, the majority of republicans in the house of representatives that were willing to stand by liz cheney as she made these attacks against donald trump, and specifically called him out for his embrace of the big lie that he actually won the 2020 election, her repeated criticism became too much for republicans. they seem to be so nervous about losing the support of donald trump, especially in some of these red districts across the
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country, that they are not going to cross him. that's why it seems very clear that liz cheney is going to lose that leadership post next week and trump already endorsing alease stefanik for that position. what we've seen from mitch mcconnell today, the senate minority leader, someone who has attempted to distance himself from president trump, he would prefer not to talk about him at all. at one point mcconnell was very supportive of liz cheney. this is how he responded to a question about her today. >> 100% of my focus is on standing up to this administration. what we have in the united states senate is total unity from susan collins and ted cruz in complete opposition to what the new biden administration is trying to do to this country. >> he refused to even say her name, after just a couple weeks ago voicing support for her and her role in the republican conference. it shows that even someone like mcconnell, who even today was
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attacked pretty veshsly by former president trump in a statement. i think trump called him gutless, refuses to cross donald trump. it shows us where the republican party is right now. they are unified but they're unified behind the former president and his falsehoods about what happened in the 2020 election. >> ryan nobles for us on capitol hill, thank you. let's bring in francis rooney, republican, former congressman from congress. just retired three day before the january 6th attack on the capitol. thank you for being with us. we just heard what mitch mcconnell said. this has changed so quickly for liz cheney. what is your reaction to what you heard there and how quickly support seems to be dissolving for the congresswoman? >> well, it's extremely disturbing to me to see our party become the cult of the personality at the demands of donald trump.
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this is a great party, standing with abraham lincoln, help solve slavery, at least get rid of slavery and the civil war. look at all the great things that have happened with the revolution and all the wealth and wages that have been created by free enterprise solutions instead of government solutions. that's all out the window right now as the party's devolved into a cult of donald trump. what's happening to liz, to me, is absolutely unconscionable. what happened to the party that could accommodate nelson rockefeller's views and ronald reagan and barry goldwater's views? now you're in lockstep with trump or you're out. >> here's the part i've never been able to understand. donald trump lost the presidential election by 7 million votes. this is the man they want to hitch their wagon to. why? >> it makes no sense to me. it makes no sense that 147 elected members and senators would not certify that election. that is almost as much afteren insurrectionalist event as
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january 6th was. >> does this help republicans win the majority in the house? i mean, i know that this decision and what mccarthy -- leader mccarthy is saying about liz cheney ingratiates him to the former president, but i don't know -- what's your view if this helps them get the majority back? >> well, i guess they've taken their polling and they think they're better off with trump than without him, and that he can keep members from being primaried and maybe give them enough of a tailwind to get them across the finish line. long term, this is a disaster. our party has self-sorted into a declining voter base and demographic cohort which can't be sustained in the long run. you know, george bush got all kinds of suburban people, college educated people, women, minorities. he got almost half of hispanics. we've thrown that out the
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window. >> speaking of republican women, former republican congresswoman barba barbara comstock was on "new day" and she talked about the sacrifice she believes current republican congresswomen have to make in terms of their own free will in order to abide by this big lie. so, let me just play for you what she said. >> so i think this is a mistake. it's a bad message. i say whoa to any woman who wants to be a handmaiden to this and sort of get a leadership spot on the heels of something that is unseemly. to embrace the big lie. >> she's invoking the handmaid's tale there to say what stefanik has had to give up in terms of being rational to this litmus test of going along with the lie. >> for the first couple of years i was up there, she was a
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responsive to moderate legislator. she wasn't this trump fanatic she's become in recent times. it's women, not just women, it's men, too. look at all the people that are flocking to pay homage to trump. they're not doing anybody any good in the long run. they may be helping themselves in the short run, and that gets on into a separate problem of how everything is self-run in the congress right now but that's a separate issue. >> what then happens to the conservative values that you hold? we put up the ratings for liz cheney that she has high ratings for heritage action, national right to life, higher than those of elise stefanik. are what we seeing the party values is endorsement from the
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former president? >> that's right. what happened to what our party stood for, the president of reagan, free enterprise not government intervention, that controlled spending not spend like our 115th congress did. we've lost our ground. and now we're just a cult of personality of trump, i guess. >> despite that -- >> no one is more conservative than liz cheney. i know her. she's very conservative. certainly more conservative than i am, and she's very well respected for her policy views. this attack is malicious and baseless. >> but given, as you say, they're just into short-term gains, do you think all of this will help win back the house next year? >> it could. it could. they could have their polling right. it could keep enough people from being primaried, that they win. they only need five. it's a pretty thin thing. history is on their side. >> let me get you on one more -- >> you know, i'm in business.
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you've got to look for the long run. the long run is if you're not embracing the next sets of voters coming along and getting your fair share, you're going to have a real problem. >> let me ask you about the facebook decision. the company will continue to keep the former president off its platform for six months. the board suggested that facebook then revisit this to determine if they'll continue the ban. he now has this blog on his website where he's sending statements out where he endorsed stefanik to replace liz cheney. what's your view on the former president's future on platforms? >> i think he's demonstrated how lethal he can be using social media. he actually tweeted -- or facebooked against me one time during my campaign when one of my opponents said something that he really liked a lot. i had to go buy a lot more ads to counter it, so i really don't appreciate what he did.
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but there's also issues about whether facebook ought to have the power to do that or not. but the practical effect of trying to silence the president is okay with me. i think we need to move on from him anyway. i look at him like you look at an intelligence problem. you isolate and contain. i would ignore him but nobody wants to seem to do that. >> former congressman, francis rooney, we always appreciate getting your perspective. thank you. >> thanks for having me on. next, the push washington, d.c., a state. the mayor there will join us live as the democratic governors' association welcomes her to their ranks. how does that work? she's not a governor from a state. we'll talk about that. a tennessee lawmaker under fire after his comments on the three-fifths compromise, the chair of the state's black caucus has a lot of thoughts on this one. and questions over the cdc's guidance about summer camps. even dr. fauci says these rules may be a bit too strict.
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bowser and governor lgrisham. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having us. >> governor, you're inviting mayor bowser to be part of the democratic governors association, but of course she's not a governor, so how is this going to work? >> look, she's an executive leader in the district working on all of the things that democratic governors are responsible, from continuing to save lives, get folks back vaccinated in our fight against covid. but to every oriole meaningful issue, from voting rights protection, health care reform and access, educational investments for every single one of her constituent and families. and that's exactly what the democratic governors across this country are doing every day. and this partnership is an incredible announcement to really reinforce, that's what we're dedicated to and that's what we are about.
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we're delighted to be able to make this announcement today. >> mayor bowser, the house passed a bill to make d.c. a state last month, but now governor manchin, democrat of west virginia, says that he doesn't support it, so is it doa? >> no, it's not doa. and let me thank the governor for her leadership, leadership of the governors association, and her willingness to embrace the city, county and state that washington, d.c., is right now. like she said, we function at a state in so many ways, we're treated as a state throughout federal law, and what's missing is two senators to represent us in the senate. so, we'll be just like every other tax-paying american. what we know is we have work to do in the senate. and we have strong allies. the president of the united
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states has issued a very strong statement supporting statehood for d.c. senator schumer has been very strong in his support for d.c., a statehood. and so we know they're going to work with senator manchin and others so that this is an issue that's finally resolved, a wrong that's finally righted in our democracy. >> we'll follow that and see what develops. in the meantime, mayor, while i have you, i want to ask you about your new guidelines for reopening d.c. it's getting a lot of attention. here's what you're saying, beginning may 1st multipurpose facilities and menus may host events, such as weddings, provided there may be no more than 25% capacity in any room or up to 250 people. here's what's getting a lot of attention. standing and dancing receptions are not allowed. what good is a wedding without dancing, mayor, and why no dancing? >> well, i think there's a lot of good to a wedding.
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like people starting off their lives together and doing it in a safe way and not in a way that puts themselves and their guests in danger. let me be clear. on may 1st we were proud of our residents and businesses who made conditions in d.c. such that we could start opening up these facilities. an alternate headline may be, now you can host a wedding in washington, d.c., a regional meeting. you can have your friends and family for a family reunion and birthday parties at our hotels and restaurants. and just like our restaurant guidelines suggest is that you have to be seated to enjoy the restaurant. >> i see that -- we'll give you a minute for your earpiece there. in the meantime, governor, let me ask you about your restrictions. you're doing something interesting. you're saying when new mexico -- it can reopen when 60% of the population is fully vaccinated. that's interesting because
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that's the incentive model. so, you're telling people, hey, you want to reopen fully, then everybody needs to go out and get fully vaccinated. and not every state is doing that. in fact, i'm wondering if you think president biden should take a page from that and say things like, you know, you'll get more ppp or restaurant funds once you can show that everybody involved is vaccinated. >> well, i will tell you that i am incredibly proud of the president. he did exactly what we needed in the white house. he followed science, it's evidence-based and he has leaned in and led to make sure that americans can get access to vaccinations and make sure our covid safe practices are still robust across the country. and it's but new mexico in an incredible position. so, i do think telling people, look, 60%, we know we create a baseline of immunity. i think that's where the president is going with 70% at least having one shot.
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we need as much of that baseline across the country to protect us from variants that are here, more that are potentially coming so we don't regress in our fight against covid. and i think new mexicans will make the president and vice president very proud. we're likely to get beyond that. i do want to point out. even though we've created that incentive, we've been very clear that all of our very strict covid safe practices will remain intact, including everything, including mask mandates except for cdc guide ans for individuals engaged in outdoor activities in small groups. we'll continue to stay the course to continue to protect new mexicans. >> is there dancing allowed in new mexico? >> you're socially distanced, irwhatting masks and meet the other requirements with our level of vaccinations, yes.
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but i will say -- >> yes. >> but i want to give the mayor -- it takes courage to be really clear about what constitutes high-risk activities and behaviors, and it is something that democratic governors are leading in this country evidence-based. >> i hear you. mayor, is there any way that you would reconsider with masks on and, say, a card that shows fully vaccinated that you would allow dancing? >> we're absolutely considering opening more activity as our case rates go down and our vaccination rates go up. that's in our hotels and that's in our other venues. >> understood. mayor bowser, governor grisham, thank you for covering all of these topics with us. great to see you. >> thanks for having us. >> a wedding reception without the electric slide, never seen it. never seen it. >> i'm not sure it's ever happened. >> so, let's talk about this.
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this new exchange in the national debate over how to teach the ugliest parts of american history. a republican state lawmaker in tennessee is arguing that the three-fifths compromise, which counted slaves as less than a full person, was well intentioned, that it was actually aimed at ending slavery. the chair of the state's black caucus is with us live. ♪ ♪
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tennessee republican state representative justin lafferty is facing some pretty intense backlash today after defending what's widely viewed as one of the most racist deals in u.s. history. watch. >> i've heard referenced in here, as y'all have, the three-fifths compromise that was made long ago. a quick question for all of you, and anybody watching, a challenge everybody that can hear my voice. pull out a piece of paper, write down why that compromise was reached. the three-fifths compromise was a direct effort to ensure that southern states never got the population necessary to continue the practice of slavery everywhere else in the country. by limiting the number of population in the count, they
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specifically limited the number of representatives that would be available in the slave holding states and they did it for the purpose of ending slavery, well before abraham lincoln, well before civil war. >> that's not right. there's a quick history lesson for you here. three-fifths compromise, 1787, compromise agreed for purposes of representation, taxation, only three-fifths of a state's enslaved people would be counted. it was called a compromise because there was this philosophical disagreement. slave-holding states wanted to exploit their slave population and gain as much influence in the new congress as possible, and states that did not own slaves, they argued the enslaved population should not be fully counted because they feared such representation would make the south too powerful. the compromise landed on counting three-fifths of the enslaved population. why are they talking about this? because tennessee lawmakers are
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debating legislation that would limit schools' ability to teach students what they can tell them about racism and privilege. with me now is tennessee state representative antonio parks and also chairman of black caucus of tennessee state lawmakers. there were republican members who stood and applauded, they thought he made some salient points. what did you think? >> that was the worst part of it, was to see my other colleagues clap for this soliloquy he delivered that was actually a false narrative and speaks to what the legislation is about, is they want the teachers, by law, to tell the good and the bad about anything they discuss that has any historic account in regards to the state of tennessee and the united states. so, some of the questions i posed to them was, what's good about the two individuals that flew those airplanes into those
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world banks, the world trade centers? what's the good about hitler who orchestrated the holocaust? what's the good about slavery? that was his way of justifying some good about slavery, as if it impressed us or was something we needed. and that's absolutely false. there was absolutely nothing good about the institution of slavery, at all. >> is it your understanding -- i'm hearing you describe your understanding of the legislation, that there would have to be a search for good in some of these ugly chapters of history, that they would have to search for a balance of slavery, they'd have to search for a balance of the holocaust, there would have to be a balance they would have to search for in these elements? >> their strategy is for educators to tell both sides of the story. and one of my members, one of the colleagues, the chair of the education committee who actually brought this bill back --
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understand, this was intentional. the bill was on the floor. they brought it back to committee just to add this language to it and then bring it back to the floor. and he stood up and he said, he wanted this legislation because he's tired of people blaming. and my response to that is, we're going to keep on blaming until you start admitting. and when you start admitting and when you start paying and when you start making things equitable and when you start undoing the harm that you did, then maybe the blaming will start. but what's happening is you have a fear of an ever-changing landscape in america that white males are afraid in in some cases and that loss of power that could possibly come with it. >> have you had conversations with your colleagues about this? >> i've had conversations with my colleagues. and i always tell them, we have to have conversations in truth. and i want to know what your truth is. yesterday that's the one good
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thing about what my colleague justin lafferty said. he spoke his truth. whether we agree with it or not, that's his truth. but i want them to know my truth also. so that they can understand the reasons, the why. that's the real issue. we missed the why and why people are speaking from the perspective they're speaking from. >> let me ask you this because there's another part of the bill, and this is about pulling funding from public schools and public charter schools, where some of these things are taught to the million students there in tennessee. it would ban an individual by teaching that an individual by virtue of the individual's race or sex is inherently privileged. so, my question is, how would you -- what would be the explanation or how would you teach the origin of pay gaps or the disparity in landownership or representation or business ownership? or that four-fifths of the state legislature, the state house is
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male, would you have to teach that men are better campaigners? these men just had better campaigns or how would you explain any of this without explaining some of the historical basis for it? >> i think the goal is actually not to teach it. that's what i think the real goal is ultimately because if you can't find a balance in it, based on this law, and you try to teach it and it's not balanced, then you could lose funding to your school -- to your school district based on this legislation. i think ultimately that's what the goal is, is to whitewash, to water down, to remove responsibility and accountability from those that have perpetrated these issues. i'll give you an example. we ran legislation declaring racism a public health threat. it died twice. conversations in the tennessee legislature are extremely uncomfortable for a lot of our members. >> let me wrap here.
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you talked about the broader context really from a national context. this bill in tennessee, the state senate hasn't taken it up yet. do you expect, as we wrap up here, that it will become law? >> i do expect it to pass. they've been passing legislation, suppressing the voices of our educators, suppressing the voices of lgbtq members, suppressing the voices of citizens when it comes to their fragility. i expect it to pass. when i came to do this interview, they were passing legislation to make it illegal for you to run over a protester. >> we've seen some legislation in other states that have lifted some liability from people who had protesters with their vehicles. tennessee state representative antonio parkinson, thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you for having me. appreciate you. next, the head of the cdc says 12 to 15-year-olds could
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than ever -- >> reporter: a shift in vaccine strategy. president biden on tuesday pledging to get at least one shot into the arms of 70% of americans by july 4th. >> that amounts to approximately 100 million shots over the next two months. >> the plan includes focusing on smaller community vaccination sites. >> and really putting in walk-in capabilities in 40,000 or so pharmacies throughout the country, getting mobile units going, getting the local capability of accessibility rather than these broad, mass vaccination sites. >> reporter: dr. walensky tells cnn, 12 to 15-year-olds could be getting vaccinated against the coronavirus in less than two weeks. the food and drug administration is expected to approve an emergency use authorization of the pfizer vaccine for that age group, making another 17 million eligible as early as next week. >> the vaccine is already in
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these pharmacies at the dose that we need. and so soon after acip, i think you'd be able to take your 14-year-old and bring them in to get vaccinated. >> reporter: as summer approaches, the cdc is recommending that children and staff at summer camps wear masks except when eating and swimming. also maintaining social distancing. all while outdoors. but the guidance is getting mixed reaction. >> if people are playing tennis and they're far away, we can say that their masks can come off. but if they're crowded on a soccer field, they're on top of each other, heavily breathing, we don't think these are a good idea. these are kids who will likely not be vaccinated. >> it looks a bit strict, a bit stringent, but that's the reason they keep looking at that and trying to re-evaluate, literally in real time. >> reporter: so far, 250 million vaccine doses have been administered and 32% of the u.s. population is now fully vaccinated, according to cdc data. daily new infections dropped 12%
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in the past week, but the average daily rate of vaccinations has been declining as well. yesterday under 1 million doses administered for the first time since march. >> if we're going to significantly slow the spread of this virus, i think we need ultimately to be around 80% plus population immunity. >> reporter: and we are at one of two walk-up vaccination sites here in dekalb county. organizers tell me that so far today the traffic has been light and steady. we're told 225 people walked in to get their covid-19 vaccination. a lot having to do with pretty bad weather the last couple of days. as you mentioned, cvs now joi joining walgreens to not only offer same-day covid-19 vaccinations and also walk-ins. some states and cities, a lot of them are planning origining to fully reopen. that includes l.a. and san francisco. as of tomorrow, they will be
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allowing most businesses to resume indoor operations. also new york where you are, new jersey and connecticut will be lifting capacity restrictions, including restaurants, gyms even on broadway beginning may 19th and chicago's mayor saying the goal is to fully reopen the city by the fourth of july. back to you. >> a lot of changes coming. next, a reunion years in the making. new video of a family torn apart during the trump era finally getting to hug each other again.
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of those first few family reunifications this week. remember, these are the children who were separated from their parents at the southern bothered under the trump administration. >> victor, 445 children are still separated from their parents, even ever since the trump administration started that, you'll remember, the zero tolerance policy in 2017, but here in san diego on tuesday this son was reunited with his mom after being apart for something like more than three years. in the car on the way there, he said he still was not sure if this was real because, quote, you never know. more than 5,500 children have lived that way in limbo with lasting trauma because of the trump policy, the zero tolerance policy that has since been eliminated. >> it feels like a dream, like i
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was in the car and this is finally happening, and i'm really going to be unified with her after all of this time. >> i mean, 455 still out there. another reunion happened yesterday in philadelphia, a mother from honduras. she came here with her 14 and 15-year-old sons in 2017. she was deported. the boys were staying with extended family here in the u.s. ever since. i mean, he came or is becoming a man three years without his family there. >> right. absolutely, and there's so many of those stories. i'm so glad that we're staying on it. meanwhile next the pentagon is tracking this large chinese rocket that's hurtling towards earth and set to crash somewhere, victor, this weekend. >> great.
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victor, are you aware that reports of ufos have surged during the pandemic? >> i learned that today, yes. >> well, listen, i have more. according to the "new york times" in new york alone sightings in 2020 nearly doubled from the previous year. >> i think i have an idea, but i'm not going to say it on air and now a defense department watchdog is -- i'll text you, putting pressure on the pentagon over its handling of ufo reports. i like these videos recorded by the military personnel.
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the inspector general wants to know how the military has dealt with reported sightings and next month the office of the director of national intelligence and other agencies are scheduled to deliver unclassified reports on ufos to lawmakers. my hope is that galaxy quest and in the navy are played in the background like we saw a couple of days ago in that hearing on zoom. >> that could only add i feel also to the understanding of these, but those videos are crazy. they are as recent as 2019. those are navy pilots that took some of that video. i want to know what those are. >> indeed. >> also new today, the pentagon is tracking a large out-of-control chinese rocket that is set to re-enter the earth's atmosphere this weekend raising concerns about where the rocket's debris might make impact. >> as if i didn't have inform to worry about this weekend, you know, victor. like i thought i would have to get my daughter to her dance recital on time and now i have to worry about space junk
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hitting us in the head. >> yes. >> and we're told the odds of the debris actually hitting a person or a house are very small. chances are it will land into the ocean but they won't know until hours before because it's traveling at 18,000 miles per hour. >> what a time to get off the weekend show. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> a stark government warning today that we could suffer through another covid surge if americans do not keep up the pace of getting vaccinated. "the lead" starts right now. better safe than sorry. dr. fauci admits that cdc guidance on kids outside at summer camp might be a bit strict, but to keep those masks on anyway, at least for now. still reduced to just blogging. former president trump remains banned from facebook, but that ban may not be long for this world. plus, fewer people have been traveling because of covid but more people are making quite


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