tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 2, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
good evening. we begin, tonight, with covid and growing evidence the country is facing some hard weeks, ahead. at the same time, thankfully, there are signs pointing in the opposite direction. but not enough, at least not yet, to change the course that we're on. so at the end of another good news bad news day and the beginning of what looks to be another good news/bad news week, there is a lot to get to. here is the chief medical officer for our lady of the lake medical center in baton rouge, in louisiana, where they have run out of beds in the intensive-care unit, and 23 patients are waiting in the er. >> there are no more beds left. those 23 patients are a glimpse of what we have been doing, for the last two weeks, while we have been trying to get everybody vaccinated. and it's not helping, enough, because it's not happening fast enough. and when you come inside our walls, it is quite obvious to
you that these are the darkest days of this pandemic. >> the darkest days of the pandemic there. and some of the hardest for the people in the hardest-hit states, such as louisiana, whose staf who staff the icus. >> i have worked in the covid icu, pretty much, the whole pandemic. so, year and a half, two years, now. and i can say today was probably one of the most emotionally hard days, since the pandemic started. >> that nurse, felicia kroft, has been working since the beginning in the icu. she joins us shortly. she says the patients she is treating in this latest wave are younger. parents, this time, not just grandparents and the delta variant is now sending kids to the hospital. listen to the chief clinical officer for the arkansas children's health system. >> throughout the previous months of the pandemic, we would have, you know, zero to, maybe, three children admitted to the
hospital that tested positive for covid, and they were often in for some other reason. they weren't showing symptoms of the covid infection. today, we have 24 children in the hospital with covid infections. they're all symptomatic with covid. and eight of those are intensive care and five requiring mechanical ventilation to breathe. >> that is scary. eight kids in the icu. five of them, on ventilators. kids, some of whom are too young to be vaccinated in a state where just 58% of adults have gotten their first shots. in louisiana, the figure is even lower, just under 54%. nationally, now, stands at 70%, which was where president biden had hoped the country would be by independence day, nearly a month ago. that said, the pace is picking up and picking up fast, where the surges were the worst. >> louisiana has seen a 302% increase in the average number of newly-vaccinated per day. mississippi, 250%. alabama, 215%.
and arkansas, 206%. this increase in vaccination rates in states that have been lagging is a positive trend. americans are seeing the risk and impact of being unvaccinated, and responding with action. and that's what it's going to take to get us out of this pandemic. >> which is good news, as far as it goes. but in the words of the doctor in baton rouge, it's not helping enough because it's not happening fast enough. so, no more icu beds in her hospital. arkansas, today, reported the biggest-daily jump in hos hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic. also, in texas, and florida, which are now responsible for about 30% of new cases, nationwide. two states. texas and florida responsible for about one-third of all new cases in the -- in the united states. now, taken together, it's put parts of the country, even some of the redder portions, back into mitigation mode. louisiana, today, reimposed a mask mandate. the same for the san francisco bay area.
new york's mayor, though, he stopped short of doing the same. preferring, he said, to keep the focus on vaccination. as for vaccines, more private companies, like soul cycle, today, have stepped into the breach, requiring all employers and members to show proof of vaccination. equinox fitness centers is doing the same. davis polk, one of the country's biggest law firms today told staff they will need to to be vaccinated to return to the office in september or no longer be allowed in the building. which brings us back to louisiana. today, the state's health officer said he expects covid-19 hospitalizations, tomorrow, to reach their highest levels so far, in the entire pandemic. which for nurse felicia kroft means more patients in her icu and far too many more days like these. >> last night, my daughter came to me. my 14-year-old, macy. she came to me. she said, mom, we need to pray for my friends' parents. and her friend's parents are in my icu.
and one of them may not go home. the other one's really, really sick, too. and as a nurse, to know that if you can't get these two people home, that their kids will be orphans. their 14-year-old could be an orphan. and to know that my daughter might come to me when she gets that call and say, mom, why didn't you save them? i can't explain the feeling of defeat. when you do everything, you pour everything into a patient, and it's not enough. and then, to know that they could have gotten vaccinated and it could've made a difference. >> and felicia kroft joins us, now. felicia, thank you so much for being with us, and thank you so much for what you have done.
i -- i cannot imagine working all throughout this pandemic, as you have, more than a year and a half, working in a covid icu. i mean, i know doctors who are burnt out. i know nurses who have quit. um, talk just about what you're up against, right now. what kind of patients you're seeing. >> um, right now, we're seeing a lot of patients, number one. um, and patients that are sicker and patients that are -- that are closer to my age, which just brings it to a whole, new level. i'm -- i'm 34 years old. you know, i have kids ranging from 10 to 14. and i know some of these people have kids younger than me. um, and i know all of the -- the milestones that i want to see my kids hit. i want to see my kids graduate. i want to walk my kids out on the football field on senior night. i want to get my daughter ready for her first prom. and these are things that -- that people we're sending to a funeral home, instead of their house, are missing.
and that things and experience and memories their kids won't have with them. and that's really hard. you know, in the beginning, it was sad. we -- we lost a lot of people, in the beginning. but mostly, it was people that had lived long lives of love and they had seen their families grow. and this is just different. um, this really has made it show that, you know, covid does not discriminate. and everybody is vulnerable. >> louisiana expects covid-19 hospitalizations to reach its highest level in the pandemic, tomorrow, which is just extraordinary. when you think about it. given the fact that there is a vaccine out there. what's it been like to, you know, work, every day, seeing this in the most intimate, horrific way possible, and then to leave the hospital and hear people talk about, you know, not wanting to wear masks and it's -- it's annoying and i mean, you know, it's -- it's difficult. and it -- they're just not going
to do it. i mean, what is that -- that's got to be a weird juxtaposition. >> well, so, we have become a very selfish generation and a very selfish -- um -- just group of people, sometimes, when i hear what others say. so, this pandemic and masks and vaccines. this is not about you, and this is not about what always makes you feel good. and it's about, you know, your -- the cashier at your local-gas station. and it's about your local -- your local baker. and, you know, your neighbor and your cousin's friends and -- and people that, maybe, aren't important to you but they're important to someone else. and i -- i think that stepping out of that what's most important to me and what makes me comfortable and keeps me happy. i think, if we change to that mindset, it would change a lot
of what's happening outside and inside the hospital. um, so -- and i look at people as individuals and as, you know, creations of christ. and i -- i hope that others will start to look at that, instead of just saying how uncomfortable they are. and i have to just be real careful, and let the lord guide my words when it comes to that because, sometimes, it's for me to speak and, sometimes, it's not. but, yes, it does put us in a very difficult position. >> in the video, you talk about your 14-year-old daughter, who must be, i hope, so proud of you. she came to you, wanted to pray for her friend's parents who are in your icu. i mean, how do you explain all that to -- to -- to your -- to your child? >> so, you know, when she comes to me, we -- we, number one, we pray for and we tell god -- not that he has any -- not that he doesn't know -- but we ask him
what we hope for. and, of course, we hope that they get better. and we hope that they come home. but we also hope that god prepares us for whatever his will is. you know, whether that is or isn't. and that we can use whatever testimony from here on. and, you know, just reminding her that -- um -- god has a purpose and a plan and that we are part of it. and, you know, whether that's in a good, you know, happy light or, you know, just to love on someone when they need us. we just have to be prepared to let god use us, either way. >> it's so -- it's so important, i think, what you say because there -- there are folks who are as, you know, are people of faith and good people who feel, well, you know, i'm just going to -- i'm not going to get a vaccine because i'm just going to leave it up to, you know, to what the lord wants. i -- i'm -- you know, i'm -- i
think i'll do fine. um, i mean, you -- you come from a religious tradition. you come from a religious background and a world view. and yet, you also are embracing the vaccine. >> absolutely, because i -- you know, there's a story about the man on the roof and the flood. and, you know, there's a boat that comes by and he says, no, god's going to save me. you know, everybody's heard that story. ope, sorry. >> it's all right. >> i -- you know, i feel like this is the boat. you know? and god gave somebody a whole lot smarter than me, with a lot more letters behind their name, the knowledge to develop this vaccine. and i think that he -- he gave it to us. i think that, you know, one, we have absolutely i think we have a choice, you know, to take it or not to take it. but, you know, if that choice is based on just you, then maybe you're making the choice wrong. >> hmm. >> if you are truly loving your neighbor, as yourself, would you
do it for your neighbor? >> hmm. >> um, just to -- just to know that this is something that god gave somebody knowledge for. i mean, i feel like that's a reason to embrace it. um, i did not -- i did not get the vaccine, when it first came available. i was nervous. i had questions. there were things i didn't understand. like, a lot of the same questions that people ask me, now. you know, how is this safe? how did we come up with this so fast? you know, how do we know, you know, that we can trust this? and so, i did my own research and i talked with my doctors. and the more i did my own research, you know, i'll tell ya, i -- i am a firm believer that god is never taken by surprise. and the more i researched, the more i saw that mrna research started back in the 1980s. so in the 1980s, god knew this was coming and he gave somebody
smarter than me the knowledge to start to lay this foundation. and this foundation has built and built, until now, here we are, and we had everything we needed to get this vaccine out, quickly, to people. >> yeah. it is a medical miracle, in so many, different ways. felicia kroft, i -- i -- it's awesome to talk to you and i mean, just bless you for -- for what you are doing. i really just think it's extraordinary, what you and everybody in the medical community has done, and continues to do. and thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. >> all right. my best to your daughter, too, and your family. take care. want to get some more perspective, now, from dr. jerome adams, who was surgeon general in the previous administration. dr. adams, good to see you, again. you know, you talk to nurse felicia kroft and god -- i mean, god bless nurses. i mean, i know doctors are great, too. but nurses, i got to tell you, are just incredibly, incredible people. i spoke with a doctor from missouri last week who said similar things about her patients. she said they were younger, sicker, didn't have
comorbidities. how concerned should people be about what seems to be one of the major differences with the delta variant? >> well, they should be incredibly concerned and, again, listen to felicia. listen to your local doctor. listen to your nurses. anderson, i was in the hospital, just a few hours ago, working today. and i tell ya, the nurses were the ones that were the most frustrated, were the most burned out because they've been busting their butts for 18 months. working long shifts, doing things that are outside their comfort zone because nurses will do anything to help their patients. and they're just frustrated that, last year, we didn't have masks. we didn't have vaccines. we didn't have monoclonal antibodies. this year, we have multiple miracles that have been delivered to us. and it -- it's frustrating, in the face of a -- a variant that is, as you mentioned, a thousand times more contagious than what the previous variant was, that we have many more tools but we're not making use of them. >> in terms of a timetable for
the surge, nih director dr. frances collins says the projections say we are in for a tough august, september, and october. scott gottlieb thinks the wave of infection could pass quickly. infectious disease expert, michael osterholm, professor, said something similar. that we may see a fast drop of new infections in september. how long do you think this will last? >> well, we don't know because, when you look at different countries, they htend to be mor homogenous. the united states, compared to the uk, is very spread out. and when you look at this pandemic, it has never hit the entire united states, at one time. it's always hit us, in regional pockets. one of the things about this delta variant that dr. gottlieb refers to is that when it hits an area, it hits it hard. it hits it fast. and you may be achieving a temporary-herd immunity, very quickly, in a certain area just because everyone is getting it. you've heard admiral giroir say, look, you have got two choices.
you are either going to get vaccinated or you are going to get the virus because it's that contagious. >> the challenge of getting an accurate sense of how many breakthrough infections there are, senator lindsey graham, for example, is among the latest to see he has covid despite being vaccinated. how does the country get back to a place where there is enough testing being done, on a daily basis, to know who has the virus, both, symptomatic and asymptomatic? and i mean, should there be more testing? is that important to know? >> we, absolutely, need a better-testing strategy. and it's frustrating, to me, that we spent all of 2020 talking about testing, testing. we need more testing. we need better testing. we now have plenty of testing and what we don't have is an intelligent-testing strategy from a federal perspective to utilize. the antibody test. to utilize the antigen test. to utilize the pcr test and the better pcr tests that we have now that are point of care to be able to see where the virus is spreading, asymptomatically. to be able to, quickly, diagnose the cases. it's definitely a need that we have to -- to really understand what's going on.
and i -- i'm -- i have been calling on the cdc to -- and -- and the white house to really articulate that federal-testing strategy. to have a testing czar like we did during the last administration. there are a lot of things you can point your fingers at us for, for doing wrong. but admiral giroir and the testing team really helped stand up testing. >> dr. adams, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson. coming up next, a third police officer who defended lawmakers and democracy on january 6th has died by suicide. see how one senator is, once again, dishonoring the sacrifices that he and so many other officers made that day. later, she almost died at the hands of a sassens who killed her husband. tonight, the widow of haiti's slain president tells cnn what she experienced that horrible night. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. what's the #1 retinol brand
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fellow officers did when the country needed him most. same cannot be said for wisconsin senator and serial insurrection minimizer, ron johnson, who is at it, again. this time, according to a video obtained by "the washington post," he is insinuating the fbi knew more about the attack than we know, which is odd, considering he is on record downplaying the attack, itself. his comments came after a local-political event over the weekend. he says in part, and i quote, so you think the fbi had fully infiltrated the militias in michigan but they don't know squat about what was happening on january 6th or what was happening with these groups? i'd say, there's way more to the story. just one of a number of things tonight to talk about with connecticut democrat senator chris murphy. senator murphy, thanks for being with us. for a sitting-u.s. senator to suggest that about the fbi and the insurrection, what -- what is -- i mean, what is he doing? do you -- is there a strategy here? >> unfortunately, it's par for the course. senator johnson has been trading
in these conspiracy theories for years, now. and there are many who are, unfortunately, willing to follow him. there's a crowd inside the republican party that is dominant, right now, that believes might makes right. that if you are acting in service of the leader of your party, donald trump, then all the rules go out the window. anything that you do is justified, including violence. so, you are going to continue to see republicans try to justify what happened on january 6th. you're going to see them try to explain it away because many of them have made the decision that they are willing to do everything, and anything, including enable mob violence in order to try to maintain power. that's really dangerous for our democracy, um, right now. it is the minority of americans that take that tact. but if more people follow the lead of my colleague and others,
um, you know, that -- that, potentially, spells doom for the american experiment. >> i mean, senator johnson was the republican chairman of the homeland security committee. i mean, it's -- it's almost as if he is like a crank, who's just gotten to congress. i mean, do you think he believes these things? is it just to appeal to some of his voters and stay in power? >> so, i -- i do think that many of my colleagues in the senate, republicans, not, maybe, the majority of the caucus. but a sizeable group of republicans in the senate believe in this anti-donald trump deep state. they do believe that there is some kind of cabal or conspiracy at work to -- and was at work for four years to try to undermine donald trump's presidency. and -- and when they hear potential-conspiracy theories about the complicity of law enforcement in january 6th, i guess, it sort of speaks to that narrative. um, that deep-state narrative is, still, very much, alive
amongst republicans in congress, unfortunately. >> i want to read something that you tweeted recently. you said so a few months ago, my workplace was ransacked by a violent mob that wanted to kill us. people died. the place was trash. now, a bunch of my co-workers are acting like it didn't happen, which is weird. makes me wonder whether they might have been in on it. am i paranoid? end quote. do you think the majority of your republican colleagues want a full and accurate accounting of what happened? >> i think there are many republicans who do not want a full and accurate accounting because they know, in the end, the story will come right back to them. that, there is no way to tell the story of january 6th, without holding accountable, republicans who created this impression that congress could stop the election of joe biden. all those people came to that capitol, on that day, because they were under the belief, led to that belief not just by donald trump but by many republicans in the house and the senate. that they could stop the votes from being counted.
that wasn't true. but it almost came true. they were seconds away from grabbing the electoral-ballot box in the united states senate, which would have practically interrupted that count. and they were there because donald trump asked them to be there. but they were, also, there because republicans in congress asked them to be there. and i just don't think that a lot of those same republicans want to be held accountable for that. >> i want to ask you about infrastructure and where things now stand? >> well, we're moving this $550 billion bill, the biggest bipartisan investment in infrastructure in the history of the country. we are going to process a bunch of amendments, many of which will be youoffered by republica to try to make the bill better or different. so we are hopeful that, by the end of this week, we will -- we will make good on the promise that joe biden made to the electorate. that republicans and democrats can, still, come together to do big things. now, 500 billion won't be
enough. and so, we will have to come right back and pass a second bill that will involve all sorts of investments in human infrastructure. tax cuts for poor people and folks in the middle class. increased help for childcare and homecare. so, we're going to have to do two different bills to get the biden agenda to the finish line. but it is important. and it speaks to the strength of joe biden that the first bill is going to be sizeable and it's going to likely happen this week, with a lot of conservative republicans supporting it. >> senator murphy, i appreciate it, thank you. with the weekend, house republican leader kevin mccarthy told was a joke about house speaker nancy pelosi. democrats not amused. reaction, when we return. with bounce pet hair & lint guard, your clothes can repel pet hair. one bounce mega sheet has 3x the hair fighting ingredients of the leading dryer sheet. simply toss into the dryer to bounce out hair & lint. look how the shirt on the left attracts pet hair like a magnet!
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the white house is saying tonight it tried but could not find a legal justification for extending the federal eviction moratorium. but said it isn't giving up. press secretary jen psaki said that president biden would have, in her words, strongly supported efforts by the cdc to extend the moratorium. but the supreme court ruled new legislation would have to be passed to make that possible. several progressive members of congress have been camped out on the steps of the capitol since friday trying to bring attention to the problem. joining me now, one of their colleague, congressman hakeem jeffries. chairman jeffries, appreciate you being back on. what, if anything, is the house realistically going to be able to do about evictions?
or are you now looking to the white house? >> we're scheduled to convene tomorrow and have a conversation with the secretary of the treasury, janet yellen. and i think we are focused and unified around the need for the states and localities to get the more than $40 billion in relief that we allocated in the american rescue plan out to landlords and tenants. so we can resolve this eviction crisis, decisively. that's what we hope occurs over the next few days. that's the most important thing that can take place. >> i mean, the -- the lapse in the eviction moratorium, obviously, would disproportionately impact communities of color, lower-income residents. you recently sign on a bill with congresswoman maxine waters to extend the moratorium. it was blocked by republicans. even if you were somehow to get it passed, though, in the house, does it look like you could ever get 60 votes needed to pass in the senate? >> it appears that it's very
unlikely that the senate will be able to move on extending the moratorium. the republicans, of course, blocked it in the house. they're likely to do the same thing, in the senate, where at least ten republican senators would have to support that extension. and so, i think, it's critical, one, that every state governor exercise their discretion to extend out the eviction moratorium. which has been the case here, in new york, where governor cuomo has extended it through the end of the month. and that will have to be revisited when august 31st arrives. but, anderson, i don't want the point to be lost. that in the american rescue plan, we allocated almost $50 billion, in order to provide relief so that tenants can have their back rent paid. so that landlords can receive that income. and that no one in america has to confront eviction.
and what has occurred is that in excess of $40 billion of that relief remains with local governments and in gubernatorial offices across the country. >> why? why is that? >> that's unacceptable. well, i think, the biden administration, one, is putting the pressure on the states and localities to do something about that. janet yellen, i think, is taking the lead. the white house had a press conference earlier today to make it clear that this was an unacceptable thing. and i think all across the country, you've got members of the house who are raising their voices, in their respective states, to try to turn this situation around. >> because i mean, if the money -- i mean, is $40 billion -- where -- where does that -- where would that -- how would that change the -- the -- the issue right now if that money was -- was gotten out? >> well, if you have tenants who owe back rent, that is the
reason why they would be facing eviction. the money, now, exists across the various states and localities for that back rent to be covered. so that no tenant finds themself in a situation where they confront eviction. that was the whole purpose of allocating a substantial amount of money. the challenge that we've confronted and recall that the american rescue plan was passed in mid-march is that, for months, the money has not made it out of the door. this is why we're going to have the conversation with secretary yellen, tomorrow, to begin to get an understanding as to how we, as members of congress, can ensure that the administration is exerting the appropriate amount of pressure. and using its leverage to make sure that the relief makes it to the landlords and tenants who are confronting this eviction situation. >> you know, there are those who will argue, look, there are many
landlords in america, not just wealthy real estate magnets, citizens, who, you know, have -- have apartment here or there or a building. what -- what people -- i mean, people, whose livelihoods depend on rental income from properties that they own. um, i mean, can you keep pushing -- i mean, can -- how long can there be, you know, an eviction moratorium in this country? >> well, we're in the middle of a public-health crisis. the delta variant is accelerating, like wildfire, in many parts of the country. part of the reason why you don't want hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, to be evicted and put out on the streets is that, that situation can contribute to the public-health crisis getting worse. at the very time and moment, when we need to deal with it decisively. this is one of the reasons why we think that the cdc may, actually, have the authority, given this current situation, to extend out the moratorium and i
am pleased that they are going to evaluate that to see whether they've got the ability to do it, given the change in circumstances. but it's all hands on deck, anderson. and we're going to continue to make sure that we do what's necessary to provide the assistance to the american people, to crush this virus, make it through this storm. and supercharge the economy in every single zip code. >> chairman jeffries, i appreciate it. thank you. coming up next. congressman kevin mccarthy's office is calling a joke about the speaker of the house. others are calling something far less flattering and beneath someone in his position, as the house's top republican and would be speaker, himself. ah, there's no place like panera. enjoy the toasty, saucy chipotle chicken avocado melt on freshly baked bread. panera. order on the app today.
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>> if we win the majority, which i know we're going to, you're all invited. i want you to watch nancy pelosi hand me that gavel. [ cheers and applause ] it'd be hard not to hit her with it but i will bang it down. >> mccarthy's office says he was joking, of course. politicians, generally, make lousy comedians. leaving democrats denounced what mccarthy said, almost immediately. joining me now, cnn senior political analyst, and "usa today" columnist, kirsten powers. kirsten, what did you think when you heard the audio? >> i think it's pretty shocking. at any point in history, think is shocking but certainly, in this day and age. i think that people have more of an awareness, i would hope, that a leader of the republican party
would have more awareness of the fact that violence against women is -- is a major problem in society. and it's -- it's just not a joking matter. there just are some things that we don't joke about. and throughout history, people have often invoked jokes as a way to cover up behavior that is, otherwise, not acceptable. people do it when they say something racist or they do it when they say something sexist or misogynist or homophobic. and then, they say, oh, i'm just joking and you can't take a joke, as if you're the problem. and the problem is -- is joking about a very, very serious issue. >> yeah. and mccarthy's spokesperson told nbc news, in response to his comments, that he was obviously joking. um, it does sort of, you know, there is a lot of people who would listen to this discussion and say, well, if this is political correctness gone amuck and, of course, he is just joking and people laughed. and it was just a light-hearted remark. >> well, i think people invoke
political correctness when -- to try to discount serious issues. and so, it's -- it's a way to say, um, why can't we just make a joke about beating women? because the same reason you don't make a joke about jewish people. like, just pick something that they actually care about, i guess, that they would -- that they would understand. um, and so, it's -- it's a way to ignore important issues, rather than just acknowledging that this isn't funny. that there are people that are watching this, right now. there are people who heard that. who are, currently, in abusive relationships. and um, who -- who have suffered violence, whether it's in a relationship or -- or outside of a relationship. of men beating women. so, i mean, it -- it's a pretty violent act. i don't think that it's -- i don't think that it is political correctness. i think it's, honestly, i feel like, not that long ago, even
someone, like kevin mccarthy, would just say, i'm sorry, i shouldn't have said it. and the fact that it got such a big laugh and that people can't just recognize that this isn't okay, i think, is highly problematic. >> do -- do -- i -- you don't expect kevin mccarthy to apologize, do you? >> no, because i think he is just all in on trumpism and trumpism, now, is about never saying you're sorry. and, you know, he won't say that he's sorry. but i, also, think that it's just an interesting joke to tell. it's -- it says a -- you know, he has this frustration with nancy pelosi. and nancy pelosi is an incredibly powerful woman. she will go down in the history books as one of the most powerful speakers of the house. one of the most dept leaders of congress. kevin mccarthy, if he is lucky, will be a footnote. and i think that this is what happens when you have a woman that reaches the level that nancy pelosi does. this kind of resentment that you
get from kevin mccarthy that comes out as a joke about being violent against a woman, who is too powerful. >> that's interesting. i -- i think that's -- that's -- i mean, it -- nancy pelosi, in many regards, has from time to time and many times kind of run circles around kevin mccarthy. >> oh. most republican members of congress would kill to have nancy pelosi as their leader. kevin mccarthy isn't even really that powerful, even though he holds the position that he holds. there are other members of congress, obviously. marjorie taylor greene. he can't control marjorie taylor greene. he can't control jim jordan. there are other people that seem to have more power in his own caucus. you don't see that kind of behavior happening in the democratic party because nancy pelosi is such a dept leader. i mean, she is really legendary. and that -- that's not a -- that's not a partisan statement. that's something, i think, historians looking at speakers, she has had this really unique
ability to keep her caucus together, despite having much more diversity, frankly, than the conservatives have. >> yeah. >> or republicans have. so, yes, she -- she is historically a huge figure of any kind but, particularly, for women. >> kirsten powers, it's great to have you on. good to see you. thank you. >> great to be here. >> up next, haiti's -- the wife of haiti's president, who was assassinated, in her first-television interview, she shares what happened that night. she was shot and survived and her husband was killed when we continue. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.
it's almost a month since haiti's president was assassinated in his home in the middle of the night. tonight you'll hear from a witness, his wife. it's her first sitdown tv interview since her husband was killed and she was shot and wounded. she spoke with cnn's matt rivers. >> reporter: when gunmen stormed haiti's presidential residence and assassinated the president, just one witness was there when he died. >> madam, first lady, how are you? >> reporter: his wife, haiti's first lady.
flanked by private security she agreed to go on camera for the first time with her side of the story. that's left her shaken. >> you've been here with armed security. we've been asked not to disclose where we're talking right now. you're obviously thinking about threats to your life. do you feel like your life right now is at risk? >> yeah, it is, because i wasn't supposed to be alive. >> reporter: in a long conversation that switched between haitian creole and english, she described in vivid detail what happened the night her husband was killed. it was around 1:00 a.m. she says when the shooting started. it wasn't something small, it was the sounds of automatic weapons. bullet holes still pock mark the compounding. at the time she and her husband hid in their bedroom but the door burst open. gunfire ripped through the air.
first only she was hit. face down and bleeding, she thinks a dozen men ransacked the room looking for something specific. they came to find something because i heard them saying that's not it, that's not it. there it is. which means they found what they were looking for. she doesn't know what they found, but after they did, an attacker approached her husband, at this point still alive and unhurt, and got on the phone. she says that person called someone and described what my husband looked like, saying he was tall, skinny and black. maybe the person on the phone confirmed to the shooter that was him and they shot him on the floor. the president was dead, and the attackers left soon after. moise believes they thought she was dead too. critically wounded, she lifted herself up. >> when you stood up and you saw that he was dead, did you say anything to him? >> reporter: in my heart i said something i used to tell him when he was alive. we are married for better or worse, and even beyond the grave.
her left side bleeding and her right arm shredded by gunfire, she was eventually led out of the house by police and comes to a quick conclusion. the dozens of security guards normally on hand to protect the president either let the attackers in or they abandoned their posts. there is no other explanation, she says. you're there to protect the president and the president is dead and you're nowhere to be found, adding that she was amazed apparently not a single guard was injured. moise believes it's part of a much larger conspiracy. >> at your husband's funeral you said, quote, the raptors are still out there watching and laughing at us. >> yes, they are. >> what did you mean by that? >> yes, they are. because no one is being arrested yet. the people that they arrest is the people that pulled the trigger. they won't pull the trigger with no orders, so the men that we
need is the people that paid for that and the people that gave the order. >> and you think that that person or persons has not yet been arrested. >> no. no. >> the official investigation has led to the arrest of more than 40 suspects, but has still not provided a motive for the president's killing or identified a mastermind behind it all. that has left a vacuum. haiti flooded with theories about who killed a president who at the time of his death was an embattled, largely unpopular leader. even still, for his widow, it's unimaginable. >> i never thought that the level of hate existed in the country. >> you never thought this the could happen? >> no. >> because your husband did have a lot of enemies. >> yes, he did. but i didn't know that they hated that much to kill him. >> matt rivers joins us now. does the first lady have any confidence that the
investigation will lead to who orchestrated this whole thing? >> i think it's safe to say no, she does not, anderson. she continues to want the u.s. authorities that are already involved in this investigation to even ramp up their participation. she's also publicly calling on the united nations to create a special investigative tribunal to investigate her husband's assassination, much like they did after the assassination of lebanon's president. she said there are so many powerful interests in haiti that if outside investigators, foreign investigators are not involved in this, she doesn't think the truth will ever really be found out. >> matt rivers, appreciate it, thank you. up next, a surprise about what's ahead for american gymnast simone biles at tokyo's olympics. millions of vulnerable americans struggle to get reliable transportation to their medical appointments. that's why i started medhaul.
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