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frightening fire behavior. started nearly a month ago. most dramatic examples from greenville, house after house, store after store destroyed. governor newsom called it smashmouth. risk of thunderstorms. now news continues with don for "don lemon tonight". >> news on multiple big stories, beginning with andrew cuomo, embattled governor and seismic announcement he's resigning. one week after a report that found he sexually harassed 11 women. stepping down, avoiding almost certain impeachment by the
legislature. writing on the wall. then a lot of justifications were thrown at wall, alternating apologies and denials. >> there is a difference between alleged improper conduct and concluding sexual harassment. the attorney general did a report on complaints made against me by certain women for my conduct. report said i sexually harassed 11 women. that's the headline people heard and saw and reacted to. reaction was outrage, it should have been. however, it was also false. now, don't get me wrong, this is not to say that there are not 11 women who i truly offended. there are. and for that, i deeply, deeply apologize. i thought a hug, putting my arm
around a staff person while taking a person was friendly. but she found it to be too forward. i kissed a woman on the cheek at a wedding, thought i was being nice, but she felt it was too aggressive. i have slipped and called people honey, sweetheart and darling. i meant it to be endearing, but women found it dated and offensive. my sense of humor can be insensitive and offputting. i do hug and kiss people casually. women and men. i have done it all my life. it's who i've been since i can remember. in my mind, i've never crossed the line with anyone. but, i didn't realize the extent
to which the line has been redrawn. there are generational and cultural shifts that i just didn't fully appreciate. and i should have. no excuses. >> there's a lot to what he said. lot of what he said is right, and lot of people think that way and feel that way. and the governor has a right to his own defense and right to question the investigation that led to this. but the bottom line here is accountability for one's actions. it didn't have to end this way. perhaps if he would have said some of these things months ago, taken responsibility, learned and moved on, could have changed things. could have said i've got to learn from this, behavior is outmoded. heck in the #metoo era, didn't
have to look far and change his behavior and not done that in the first place, especially the workplace. had he done that? the governor didn't call it cancel culture when he resigned, but here was his defense when the allegations first came to light this spring. >> there is an intelligent discussion to be had on gender-based actions. on generational and cultural behavioral differences. on setting higher standards. and finding reasonable resolutions. but the political environment is too hot, and it is too reactionary for that now. and it is unfortunate. now, you know me, i'm a new yorker, born and bred, i am a fighter. and my instinct is to fight
through this controversy because i truly believe it is politically motivated. i believe it is unfair and it is untruthful. and i believe it demonizes behavior that is unsustainable for society. if i could communicate the facts through the frenzy, new yorkers would understand. i believe that. >> let me correct something, that was not the sound bite we intended to run. so i want to get it right, going to run the correct sound bite. governor cuomo didn't call it cancel culture when he resigned but here's his defense when the allegations came to light this spring. >> people know the difference between playing politics, bowing to cancel culture, and the truth.
let the review proceed, i'm not going to resign. i was not elected by the politicians, i was elected by the people. part of this is that i am not part of the political club, and you know what, i'm proud of it. >> so that was march 12th, initially. let us be perfectly clear here, one thing, this is in no way an example of so-called cancel culture. maybe the governor knew that wouldn't fly because today he did not mention it, use that term in his speech at all. governor cuomo is not being canceled but held accountable for behavior and actions he's admitted to. amid the apologies and thanking the women for coming forward, he offered this defense. >> there is an intelligence discussion to be had on gender-based actions, on generational and cultural behavioral differences, on setting higher standards.
and finding reasonable resolutions. but the political environment is too hot, too reactionary for that now. and it is unfortunate. now, you know me. i'm a new yorker, born and bred. i am a fighter. and my instinct is to fight through this controversy because i truly believe it is politically motivated. i believe it is unfair and untruthful. and i believe it demonizes behavior that is unsustainable for society. if i could communicate the facts through the frenzy, new yorkers would understand, i believe that. >> listen, i'm not in his head, not sure what the soon to be
former governor means about the investigation demonizes behavior that's unsustainable for society. you cannot continue to act in antiquated way when society evolved. governor cuomo signed into law a sweeping antiharassment law and said there's ongoing persistent culture of sexual assault and harassment in the workplace, it's time to act. ending the idea that saul harassment in the workplace needs to be severe or pervasive and making it easier -- claims to be brought forward. so how does this demonize behavior in way that's unsustainable for society.
clearly he believes what happened to him is unfair, politically motivated, it is politics, and doesn't take into account all the good he did for state of new york and what he believes is in his heart, okay. but it is fact that where we are right now, women no longer have to put up with that or stay silent. president biden saying resignation is right thing to do, laid out standard more than the slogan believe all women. >> i respect the governor's decision, and i respect the decision he made. women should be believed when they make accusations that are able on the face of them to make sense and they're investigated and judgment is made what they said is correct. >> that is what happened in this case. and speaking of the president. speaking to the reporters after the senate passed landmark trillion dollar infrastructure bill by bipartisan majority of
69-30. >> i want to thank the senators, democrats and republicans, for doing what they told me they would do. said they were willing to work in bipartisan manner and want to thank them for keeping their word. that's what they did. after years of infrastructure week, we're on the cusp of an infrastructure decade. i truly believe it will transform america. >> but there's a long way to go before the president signs infrastructure bill if it reaches his desk. next stop, the white house -- the house, which is in recess. and there are barriers there. there have been a lot of people, including me at times have questioned whether this bipartisan path would even work, whether the president could get it done. let's see. for today at least, it pays off. has paid off. i want to talk about the governors, governors in red states. red states of florida and texas
putting unvaccinated kids at risk of contracting and spreading coronavirus by banning mask mandates. president's message, you're hypocrites. >> when i suggest that people in zones where there is a high risk wear the mask like you all are doing, i'm told that government should get out of the way, don't have the authority to do that. and i find it interesting that some of the very people saying that hold government positions, are people who are threatening if a school teacher asks a student if they've been vaccinated or if a principal says everyone in my school should wear a mask or school board votes for it, that governor will nullify that. that governor has the authority
to say you can't do that. i find that totally counterintuitive and disingenuous. >> white house press secretary jen psaki calling out ron desantis and repeating what the president said, if he doesn't want to help in the fight, get out of the way. >> if you're not interested in following the public health guidelines to protect the lives of people in your state, to give parents some comfort as they're sending their kids to schools, schools opening in florida this week, many parts of florida, then get out of the way, let public and local officials do their job to keep students safe. this is serious, talking about people's lives and know based on public health guidelines, even though kids not eligible, masks can have huge impact. >> problem for governor
desantis, this is politics, no chance to get out of the way. going to risk brutal outbreak and kids at risk because -- >> we believe in empowering the parents that want the government to force and use coercion. our policy based on the parents bill of rights, this is the parents' decision under florida law at this point. >> those parents will have another decision down the road at ballot box. governor desantis is banking his future on taking this stand. a year is a long time in politics, maybe this issue will matter, maybe it won't, i don't know. i don't know what's going to happen though. in the in between, now and then, we can only hope no florida children will pay the price for this political posturing and misguided idea of freedom, of liberty. then the question is, can president biden force the governors to put mask mandates
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president biden going after republican governors in florida and texas trying to ban mask mandates. says the efforts are disingenuous, especially with kids in schools and he's looking into whether he has the authority to intervene. >> do you have presidential powers to intervene in states where they're doing that? >> i don't believe i do. we're checking that. on federal work force, i can. and i think that people should understand, see little kids, four, five, six years old, in hospitals on ventilators, some passing, not many, but some of them passing, it's almost -- i
mean it's just -- well, i shouldn't characterize it beyond that. >> bring in cnn medical analyst and political commentator. amanda you're up first. calling gop governors like ron desantis and greg abbott disingenuous, pointing out they're risking kids' lives. you've been watching it closely. why are they doing this? >> got to say number one, i fully support biden in leaning into this issue extremely hard. but i think it shows his frustration because he's getting a little bit off his winning playbook. joe biden was successful in 2020 because despite everything that donald trump threw at him, he didn't make it petty or personal. he stuck to the policies. and here he's on stronger ground
talking about policies of vaccination, why masks work, why we need to all go in on this together to protect children, then calling ron desantis disingenuous or hypocritical, i don't think he's wrong but emotions around this are so hot right now, i think a lot of people, especially suburban parents like me so anxious about school, need someone to guide this into a safe port. feeding into the desantis frenzy doesn't make it better. >> dr. reiner, the president making it clear how dire this is, kids at risk. but not sure what he can do about the actions of the governors. were you glad to see him call them out? >> absolutely. there's a lot of precedent for states like florida telling families and students what they have to do to go to school.
throughout the state of florida for instance, counties and school boards have dress codes. when you look up the dress codes, first line basically says the dress code is designed to ensure the health and safety of students. state of florida requires that students in k-12 receive ten vaccines. ten vaccines. they're taking the decisions away from the parents because these are in interests of the health and safety of students. now we're in a pandemic, and it's pretty clear that respiratory pathogen like the coronavirus, masking all students is in the health and safety interest of all the students. this is pretty clear. we need to take the politics out of this. and simply state this is for health and safety of students. >> but am danda, this is naked
political, desantis is thinking of 2024. talking about freedom but this is selfish, does freedom involve putting kids' lives at risk? >> no, and this is under talked about aspect of this, hear from right leaning people it's my right not to get vaccinated, don't worry about me. it's my decision, don't impact anybody. that's where biden administration can be more helpful explaining why this does impact everybody, maybe you. hospitals overloaded, you get into car wreck and can't get into icu that affects you. stronger ground to talk about the policy, why it's good for them, the economy and families to get through this. messaging -- i understand it, i'm fed up as much as everybody. but going in and saying get out of the way, big federal government is coming in, is exact opposite message for the
desantis type voter. >> dr. reiner, cnn is learning that federal government has sent hundreds of ventilators to florida in recent days. desantis told reporters he was unaware of the request. listen to this. >> i honestly doubt that's true but i'll look. we have a lot of stuff we stockpiled last year and a half through the department of emergency management, i've not had requests, been notified of that. >> talking about freedom but doesn't know his state had to request ventilators from the national stockpile. is this complete negligence? >> or denial. florida is currently averaging about 27,000 cases per day. that's about a fifth of all cases in the united states. florida and texas together account for about a third of all the cases in the united states every single day. this is what happens when you fill your hospitals. you run out of ventilators, and
then you have to reach out to nearby hospitals, states or federal government to get more ventilators. when your hospitals start to fill, you need to find nurses to take care of these patients and nurses are hard to come by. you need to start canceling elective surgeries, and run out of supplies and ppe. this is starting to happen throughout the south. looks like it's starting to happen in florida. you can deny this all you want and say that this is just a hoax or political ploy but florida has the highest rate of the coronavirus on the planet right now. it is a hot zone. and the governor of florida is doing nothing to put that fire out. >> but he is trying to claim this is about parents deciding what is best for their kids but listen to what one parent said in broward county today.
>> my child is 14 years old. she's vaccinated. had a liver transplant, she's immune suppressed. my child needs to be protected. all she wants to do is go to school and learn. learn science, ironically. learn science. she wants to live. >> dr. reiner, it's what's been true for the entire pandemic, protecting our citizens, older americans in the beginning, rest of us this year with vaccinations, now children with delta. >> our children, particularly less than 12 years old, are now our most vulnerable citizens. when the pandemic began, our most vulnerable citizens were elderly, now 90% of folks over 65 are vaccinated and very well protected. our kids are the most vulnerable, 220 kids every day
are being admitted to hospitals in the united states. this is a crisis. children's hospitals are filling. we owe our kids everything we can do to protect them. asking parents to put a mask on a child so they can protect their child and their classmates is very small price to pay. look, this country needs to pull together. if we had this kind of schism at start of world war ii, we would all be speaking german now, we have to get past this. >> you mentioned your kids, what ages? >> eight and nine. >> school aged. how do you feel? >> i'm mad. we have it good, but a lot of families stayed home for 1 1/2 years, not doing activities, to keep everyone safe. and now we're almost at the end of this, and it's more transmissible to children than ever. and i have friends who say don't worry about it, doesn't affect
kids. big "x" factor for me is, what are the long-term effects? we're lucky, we're blessed, healthy for the most part. i think we'd be okay. but i don't know the long-term effects and i have other parents who have kids who have all kinds of medical issues. we don't know what's going to happen to them. and we're almost there, we're almost there, don, we can get the vaccines for kids probably in a few weeks or months, can we just hang on and do this the right way a couple more months to get the kids back to school and get this over with? that's all i want. >> seems personal for you. >> it's been a long year and a half. i love my kids but want them to go to school, have friends, be able to go to sleepover party. went to event other day, adult asking son a question, he kind of doesn't know how to talk to
adults, only talking to us for so long. >> lord knows you're not adult, you're mom and dad. >> yeah. >> i understand what you're saying. interacting with other people and re-emerging in society, if adults are having issues, imagine what kids are going through, when they haven't socialized as much as us old folks. amanda i feel you, i'm sorry all parents have to deal with this. thanks, doctor. new york governor cuomo is out of office in a few weeks. what does this say where we are in the post metoo era? more next. but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock.
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i don't know there's a marker we can put on this. what we can do is look at totality of frankly if you just look at politics of this, of the democrats, for the most part it has been the democrats who have -- if they've been accuse and in this case after this independent investigation that the governor asked for himself found to be guilty of allegations, not in court of law but according to attorney general, the democrats are eventually pushed out. not so much with republicans. seemed to me in watching and observing governor cuomo, i'm not first person to make this observation but worth noting he was trying to follow the donald trump track. donald trump playbook, just keep persevering and pushing on. but very view people are donald trump and he's not a republican, and he's somebody who set
parameters and guidelines and even new laws on this very issue. so at the end it was very, very hard for him, impossible for him to stay in office. >> what do you think, kirsten? >> one of the big differences between donald trump and andrew cuomo situation is fact that cuomo lost all the support you could have in the democratic party when you have president of the united states saying you should step down. that's very different than whatever happened to donald trump, right? typically didn't have the party turning against him in massive way. in that way it became untenable. i do think if you -- we can't forget, i guess, pull the lens back, think about what would have happened pre-metoo, we have to say in that way it is a big
deal. i think dana is right, i don't know this means we've turned a corner. can't predict the future, but certainly was a time, wasn't that long ago, that these kind of things would have just been shrugged at. i don't think they would have been taken seriously, and certainly somebody like andrew cuomo, not just the governor of new york but from a political d dynasty. that somebody like him would be pushed out of office based on these allegations, i don't think pre-metoo -- it wouldn't have happened, people wouldn't have taken it as seriously and people would have turned against him in the way they have. >> fair point. very fair point. >> i want to play something, first his lawyer attacked accusers and said the ag investigation was biased. then the governor said this. >> the report said i sexually
harassed 11 women. that's headline people heard and saw and reacted to. the reaction was outrage, it should have been. however, it was also false. this is not to say there are not 11 women who i truly offended. there are. and for that, i deeply, deeply apologize. >> so dana, cuomo says he takes responsibility but also said the allegations are false. apologized and thanked the women but insisted he wasn't aware his behavior was a problem. do you think he understands what's happened and why? >> doesn't appear that he does. the things he said about i'm sorry, and i slipped, things like that, seem to me the things that you say when you need to, when you're a politician in this case. and when you are a father, when you are a son, when you are a family member, that you have to
say those things. because he is a human. but it was very clear from the way he was fighting and also the way he spoke today that he still by and large doesn't think what he did was wrong. if just -- take one allegation, one allegation that we heard from his executive assistant he put his hand up her blouse. on what planet is that not wrong? even pre-metoo, never mind from somebody who looked into the camera and said i'm going to help change the world by making laws even tighter, maybe the tightest in the state of new york, surrounded by champions of women, part of the timesup movement. and he knew better, so that is what is so baffling, and so mind blowing, and reminder, kirsten
you're so right, this wouldn't have happened free-metoo, but it is a reminder that the power dynamic in politics, or in a local business, is the same, still out there, and it is also reminder if a woman wants to come forward, it is -- you need to be brave because you're going to take a lot of heat. but in the end, you could have a situation like what happened today where some of the women said they felt vindicated. >> and he's denying the hand up the blouse and whatever, some of the things. kirsten, last word, what do you think? >> well, yeah. i think he would deny that. but even the things he's not denying, you know rather than -- >> he's not denying some things happened, apologized, said he apologized to the women. >> yeah. but i don't think he understands how problematic they are.
and think he's probably not only man out there. i think this is one of those things we hear a lot of times, happens when something racist happens or sexual harassment happens, we hear a lot about intent, right? and intent matters in the way that intent matters for punishment, intent might make a person more merciful if you didn't intend to do something, but intentions don't affect the harm that was caused. the harm happened. when you talk about intent, it minimizes the harm that occurred. because it doesn't change the experience that the women had, that if he's saying it wasn't his intention when he had these conversations, said these things to them. so we have a ways to go to get frankly a lot of men, i don't think he's alone in this, to understand there are certain
conversations, things, power dynamics, right, that have to be understood and boundaries that can't be crossed. and just how intimidating and frightening it can be for a woman in that situation. >> ah. yeah. thank you both. i appreciate it. >> good to see you, don. >> thank you. american academy of pediatrics saying to the fda, why kids under 12 can ant get the vaccine yet. next. responding to both of you.icy and, it's temperature balancing to help you stay comfortable all night. it even tracks your circadian rhythm, so you know when you're at your best. in other words, it's the most energy building, wellness boosting, parent-powering, proven quality night's sleep we've ever made. and now, all smart beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 0% interest for 24 months. only for a limited time.
authorization of vaccines for kids under 12 who can't get the shot. dr. lee beers, president of the academy of pediatrics and medical director at childrens national hospital. i summed up the uptick in cases in kids before the schools even open. closer and closer we get to fall, why haven't we see fda authorization for kids yet? how concerning is this? >> well, thank you for that and pointing out the increase in number of cases for children that we're seeing. i think we're grateful that children are less likely to get severe illness from covid than adults but they still can get really sick and we're seeing many more get sick right now with the increase of the delta variant. so i think, what we really wanted to communicate to the fda and others is that we really
need to be approaching the authorization of the covid vaccine for children under 12 with the same urgency we approached it looking to develop and authorize it for adults. of course we want to make sure we've got good data, looked at it carefully, but we believe that's there, and urge the fda to look at it very soon. >> doctor, fact is delta variant has been a game changer, doesn't the fda need to change their game plan maybe? >> one of the things that fda considers when it's thinking about when it's going to look at data -- this is true for all things -- what the risk. is we're seeing there is increased risk to children because there's increased number of cases. as you were hearing earlier,
children who are quite ill. we want to make sure they have the same preventive measures available that our teens and adults do. >> it's interesting, want the fda to be speedy and whatever but not undermine the process and procedures to make sure that things are safe. i understand the need to be cautious with children. do you think though it's taking too much time because of political -- potential side effects to worry about more with kids? >> yeah, no, i think your point is great. actually in all stages, we always are more cautious and careful when it comes to younger kids. we hold it to higher standard. and when our experts have looked at data that's there, publicly available, what we know about -- i think about the guardrails,
what we -- the type of data we need to be able to make this decision, we think it's pretty close to being there and would urge them to take a look at. it but your point is exactly right. system is built to be more cautious with young kids and is, it's doing that but we think it's time for us to approach this with a little more urgency. >> listen, i've got to ask you about this, some people saying well, they have a different view on this. author andrew sullivan has a blog called let it rip, how i learned to stop worrying and live with the virus, he's arguing to just let the virus rip, to create herd immunity. this is what he told my colleague anderson cooper today. >> the risk is very small to children. 18 times more likely to drown if you're aged one to five than die
of covid. i think putting it in perspective for children, which is it's not that serious a disease at all, it's like a bad cold. >> kids don't have the option of protecting themselves with vaccine right now, what's your response to people who say that -- not sure the words were let it rip but what do you say to them? >> we talk about this a lot, actually. the vaccines are safe and effective. and you know, children are at less risk for more serious disease than adults are. if we can prevent even one serious illness, or even one death with a safe and effective intervention, then we should do it. if you're a parent who is ill from covid, we're hearing, we know this from the data. we're hearing from our doctors on the ground that they're seeing children who are intubated, in icu's, if that's
your child and there is a safe and effective thing that could be done to prevent that illness, we want to make sure it is available to them. >> specially when the illness, the virus is transmitted through the air. that's a whole different transmission than other viruses like hiv. you don't know who has it and how much they have so one should be protecting themselves in any way that they can. thank you, doctor, i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. and if i could also add, the other really important things for all of us to make sure we're getting vaccinated. that also does protect the little ones. >> thank you. a senator pulled off youtube for a week. we'll tell you who, next. and now, putting you in control of your financing. at carvana, get personalized terms, browse for cars that fit your budget, then customize your down payment and monthly payment. and these aren't made-up numbers. it's what you'll really pay, right down to the penny.
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so we had this news in moments ago. rand paul suspended from youtube because he claimed masks are ineffective fighting covid. according to youtube, examples include the senator saying, quote, most of the masks you get over the counter don't work. they don't prevent inaffection. that's, of course, not true. the senator who i'll remind you is also a doctor, falsely claimed, quote, trying to shape human behavior isn't the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don't work. again, not true. senator paul tweeting that the suspension is a badge of honor. masks work. next, infrastructure. decade, the president said. taking a victory lamb on his way to getting one of his biggest goals done.
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