tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN September 1, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
one or two years of my career, hopefully. but really it's going to be for all these little kids coming up now. >> that's exactly what we're fighting for. we're fighting for that change. and literally people have stopped me in my tracks to say thank you, and that's because of this fight. >> "lfg" premiers monday night at 9:00. thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts now. breaking news about a new concern from law enforcement. a white supremacist and violent anti-government extremist are now openly and this is pretty stunning identifying with the taliban and even citing them as a model for how to launch a new civil war here in the united states. we know this from a conference call cnn has just obtained involving a top federal intelligence and homeland security official. cnn's evan perez joins us now with what was on that call and what to make of this remarkable
notion the taliban are somehow figures for some americans to admire. what is the department of homeland security saying about this? >> anderson, this was a call done with law enforcement from the state and local governments. and john cohen who's the top intelligence official at the homeland security department raised the concern that there was these domestic groups, white extremist, white supremacists and domestic extremist groups that are anti-government obviously who take some inspiration from what they believe the taliban was able to accomplish. a small group or much smaller group, less armed is able to defeat essentially a much better armed military in this case the united states. and so they believe that this is something that perhaps u.s. extremists could do here in this country. they could use the same model the taliban was able to use there here in this country to defeat the u.s. government.
>> so what level of danger are law enforcement agencies actually expecting? i mean is this -- how serious are they about this? >> well, you know, serious enough that cohen mentioned this on a call that our geneva sands was able to obtain a copy of. look, this is something that they believe obviously they've seen trend lines dating back to before january 6th. some of these extremists obviously were present at the u.s. capitol on that day, and they believe that this is the kind of thing that could essentially encourage some of the same activity that we saw on january 6th. so it's a very concerning thing that they want law enforcement to be on the lookout for. the. so is the praise -- i don't know if they have this level of detail but is the praise they have for the taliban is it based on their ideology at all or that a force of 75,000 or so taliban were able to over the course of 20 years once the u.s. was going
to pull out defeat the afghan government? >> yeah, i mean some of this is based on some of these forums where people are talking about this. there's another group fight intelligence which has monitored some telegram channels that are used by proud boys who are praising the taliban obviously for their anti-semitism. but, anderson, it goes beyond that because obviously we have tens of thousands of afghans who are being resettled in this country as refugees. obviously some of these people were working with u.s. forces and they're being settled around the country. the concern the department has as well as the fbi those refugees could then become targets of some of these groups. it's not only about being anti-government but also anti-refugee because there's this whole -- on the right there's this whole view of this great replacement theory, right? it's a conspiracy theory that the u.s. government has some plan to replace white citizens with people from other
countries. and you hear this not only in those channels, of course, also on fox news. you hear a lot of this sentiment. and that's the thing that you hear from law enforcement is very concerning. >> evan perez, appreciate it. joining us now is andrew mccabe, cnn law enforcement analyst and former deputy director of the fbi, also cnn national security analyst and assistant secretary for homeland security juliet kayyem. what do you make of this? >> it's some way it's surprising and in some ways we shouldn't be surprised at all. i think we've seen over time that the domestic extremist community particularly the racially motivated extremists cherry pick facts from -- take them out of context and then weave them into their grievances and conspiracy theories in order to make a point, and you have a cup of really powerful things they're working on right now. first is this connection to the taliban, which of course they're
manipulating and grossly misrepresenting what happened in afghanistan. but they love this idea that a small band of, you know, homegrown militants can defeat a major government that, you know, resonates with their anti-government beliefs. and also on the racist side the impending immigration from afghanistan is something that really rings with these people who are -- who embrace things like the great replacement theory. so it's a toxic mixture that i think our intelligence and law enforcement folks really need to keep a look at. >> it's also stunning when you think about, you know, there is an entire kind of misinformation system, community of television networks and, you know, internet folk and conspiracy theorists who have online shows promoting this and giving fire to it. >> that's absolutely right. i think that's what makes this fundamentally different now than, you know, domestic
extremists who harbor racist and anti-immigrant views. we've had that in this country for decades and decades. i mean most prominently came up after vietnam with the relocation of vietnamese refugees here in the united states. the difference now is one social media allows these folks to unite, spread their hatred and filth to like minded folks and recruit others to their way of thinking, and now we have the echoing of those conspiracy theories and this nonsense on major media outlets. and that is just kind of throwing gasoline onto this problem and really given the domestic extremists a leg up, if you will. >> juliet, i'm sorry, we lost you there for a second. what about this concerns you? >> i completely agree with andrew. and a cup of things. one, is i am a little bit worried about the white supremacist focus on 9/11, that they will view 9/11 as a target simply because they like certain
dates. remember oklahoma city was the same day as waco. and so one thing that the department is looking at is this period of time up to 9/11. we used to joke in our humor the radicalization of the right we used to call vanilla isis, in other words it was just about radicalization. what we have to remember is they're really focused on an image of america that they don't like this america, the white supremacist groups and right-wing groups. it is this america, it is a diverse america one in which women are equal, one in which there is diversity, this great replacement that andrew was talking about that sound very similar to the taliban. and so there is a nexus in terms of both the international sentiment of a radicalization or a sort of fascism that we see in the terrorist groups but that's then repeated by the member of congress as we've heard recently sort of radicalizing and talking
about violence and of course the right wing media machine. this is why we -- not surprising as andrew said just given what their sentiment is. >> and andrew, obviously there's the concern about for refugee families who are resettling here. >> yes. >> i mean it's always -- it's not new that there's been animosity toward -- you know, toward refugees who have come to the united states from various conflicts. but, you know, i -- let's -- juliette, is there anything that can be done about that? >> people would often ask me what makes america safer and i would say our capacity to negotiate with an open heart. over time our willingness to accept people who come here and integrate them so that their mission is our mission, right, and that it's their dream, the american dream that they succeed, that their children are better than the next generation
of this and the same things all americans want. that has been so successful if you just look at our demographics, we're now a country heading towards majority nonwhite citizenship. that doesn't even include immigration, that in the next two decades that will probably -- for two or three decades. so that's our success story. they view that as of course a harm. and we have to remember as america's success not gist in terms of heart and morality but actually in terms of our safety and security. what i would just simply ask is the more we can actually bring people in and make them feel their dreams are actually our dreams and vice versa, that is the american success story and that makes us more safe, more secure. and the numbers are relatively small under 100,000 likely to come here. we don't know the exact number that they will be integrated i think willingly across the united states. >> you know, andrew, what's so troubling is that i talked about
misinformation networks but also frankly that it's now wrapped up sort of anti-semitism, anti-immigrant sentiment, it's somehow now wrapped up in the american flag by these people as if that -- you know, that term patriot has always been a really beautiful and important term has completely been co-opted by a lot -- kind of weekend warriors are, you know, attacked the tap tol and are apparently, you know, now praising the taliban. >> you're absolutely right. it's one of the things about this entire movement that frustrate me the most. it's that co-optation of all the symbolism and language and patriotism of what it means to be an american. and of course they worked that, went through through their own views of this concept of real americans, ie, white people who look like them. and it's just absolutely a theft from this country and all of the
people who make up this country of our history and our shared heritage. it's no different, anderson, than the people who claim to back the blue and claim to be great supporters of law enforcement who were beating the capitol police officers with flagpoles and all sorts of implements on january 6th. that's not supporting law enforcement. you're not a patriot when you attack our nation's capitol. so it's these ideological inconsistencies are rampant in the domestic extremist community because they pick and choose those facts, those symbols those things they think exalt their own presence and their own goals. and they just misuse them for their own purposes. >> just seeing this video, it is just medieval and sickening to watch this again. yeah, this happened. it's extraordinary. andrew mccabe, julia cayium, appreciate it. thank you.
today america's top military commander reflected on the aftermath. he talked about the troops. >> i wasn't born a four' star general. i have walked the patrols and been blown up and shot at and rpg and everything else. my pain and anger comes from the same of the grieving families, thosame as those soldiers on the ground. this is tough stuff. war is hard. it's vicious, it's brutal. it's unforgiving. and yes, we all have pain and anger. and when we see what has unfolded over the last 20 years and last 20 days that creates pain and anger, and mine comes from 242 of my soldiers killed in action over 20 years in iraq and afghanistan. so, yeah, i have that but i'm a professional soldier. i'm going to contain my pain and anger and continue to execute my mission. >> with more on the pain and anger he speaks of it's now being felt through the ranks.
i'm not sure the question he was asked that prompted that, but to hear the chairman of the joint chiefs speak of those terms it's rare. >> it's incredibly rare. he pointed outright at the end there he is a professional soldier. he knows his official sort of function is as an advisor to the president and follows the orders he's given. it's incredibly rare for him to talk about his emotions, the pain and anger. he referenced that in the opening statement what he thought about the situation he's looking at and sort of processing everything that's happened including of course the terrorist bombing that killed 13 u.s. service members just a few days ago and that simply came out here. he was explaining that pain and anchor in a question from my colleague barbara star, quite a stunning moment of frankness and reflection from general mark milly on what he feels wrapping up america's longest war. >> we've also learned tonight some disturbing news about many of the allied afghans who worked to support u.s. personnel. >> that news is that many of
them according to a state department official didn't get out, perhaps maybe a majority of them. and here we're talking specifically about afghan siv applicants, special immigrant visa applicants, those who worked as interpreters and other roles along side u.s. troops. the state department had said there were about 18,000 of them. some of them were processed in essentially what is a very long process, but that was accelerated to try to get them out as quickly as possible and now we're learning according to a state department official many of them perhaps even a majority weren't able to get out and it was afghans at risk able to get out as well as of course u.s. citizen. if you look at the priority list for who the administration was going for, u.s. citizens obviously at the top, and then it was this group afghan sivs and then afghans at risk, which there are certainly tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. but the sivs, these special immigrant visa applicants who would help the u.s. were high on the priority list, so it is frankly horrible to hear that many of them are still there in country, were trying to get out
and in the end were unable to. it opens up a question not only about how does this administration bring out the last 100 or 200 americans there, but there's still an obligation president joe biden talked about to get out afghan siv applicants, and that process may very well rely on the taliban even more now than it did. >> we should just point out, though, that sivs are very high on the priority list. the prior administration, and i mean there has been years of chances to accelerate and improve this process. that was not done. nobody wanted to be the person signing off on having afghans coming to the united states until suddenly people started to, you know, wake up to the reality the taliban has taken over. >> you're exactly right. and this is something that was pointed out in the press briefing today with the defense secretary and joint chiefs chairman. the afghan siv process was never a process designed to operate
within this two-week time frame of the operation. in the end it wasn't just the application that was the process. there was a dynamic, fluid environment that was changing on the ground. of course, a deadly security situation there as well and trying to move these people from wherever they were, and they were not all in kabul, to get them through there and then through taliban checkpoint. tist an incredibly difficult situation. >> orrin leiberman, appreciate it. thanks. more breaking news. we'll speak to a member of the comittee investigating insurrection. later the texas abortion law that effectively guts roe v. wade. we'll be joined by texan cecil richard as well as cnn's jeffrey toobin who's long predicted this day would come.
breaking news now on republican efforts to stymie the committee investigating january 6th and punish the two gop members of the committee. cnn has learned arizona congressman andy biggs is planning to send a letter to house minority leader kevin mccarthy this week. it would call on him to remove liz cheney and adam kinzinger from the republican conference. he's a big loyalist to the former president moo worked to overturn the election. congress mccarthy has level a veiled unmistakable threat against telecom and social media companies that cooperate with the committee. congresswoman serves on committee joins us now, and sits on the judiciary committee and chairs the house administration committee. thanks for being with us. so congressman andy biggs, the head of the house freedom caucus has sent a letter to kevin mccarthy asking him to remove liz cheney and adam kinzinger for their roles going as far to call them spies for the democrats. what do you say to that? >> well, it's absurd.
you know, it's really astonishing that people are calling to sanction these two members of congress who are simply doing their duty and other members of congress who are republicans are calling for violence and not a word, not a peep of condemnation for that discussion. it's really very confounding. >> i mean, it makes sense that they're calling for, you know -- calling for against cheney and kinzinger when you consider the minority leader, kevin mccarthy, is threatening telecommunications companies and social media companies if they cooperate with a duly appointed committee. >> well, aside from the fact section 1505 of the federal
criminal code says it's a felony to threat to try to impede a congressional investigation, one would hope that the minority leader would want to get to the bottom of what happened here just like the rest of america. i would hope you would want to step forward and be a participant in getting the truth instead of trying to hide the truth. >> yeah, but you don't really think that. i mean is it motivation for mccarthy to -- is he just afraid of what may found, sore is it to look tough to his constituents, to other member of congress? >> i have no way of knowing what is motivating his behavior. i'll just say it is very disappointing. quite possibly not even legal and not what i expect from one of the leaders of the nation. we should be all of us working to get the truth.
>> we know mccarthy spoke with the former president on the day of the insurrection as did other congressional republicans. are mccarthy's records or those of any member of congress part of the request the committee has made? >> well, we haven't requested records from the telecom companies or social media. we asked that material be retained and not destroyed. and later if we feel it is necessary to get the truth we will use our proper procedures or seek records. but we didn't release the list because this is not an accusation. this is an investigation. we need to follow the facts and uncover the truth, and we didn't believe that releasing a list of names was productive towards that end. there's a lot of reasonings why phone calls or text messages with administrative officials could be relevant to the
investigation. but we'll see as we move forward what we need to get, and we're not going to be deter. i mean, we have a mission here which is to uncover the truth for the american people, and all of us very focused on doing that. >> congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thank you. cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general elliot williams. do you think minority leader mc mccarthy crossed some sort of legal line and broke the law? >> it was a shameful statement made by a leader of grz. the question is could or should you charge him with a crime for it, and i just think the answer to that, anderson, is probably no. look, the law is pretty clear who has obstructed the violated obstruction of justice statute but a few things give him something to hide behind. number one, he's a member of congress shielded by what's
called the speech or debate clause of the constitution. and most of the things that come out of members of congress' mouths are going to be protected. look if he goes into court that's the first thing he says to the judge, then he has a decent chance of getting charges thrown out on that basis. it's just one statement, it's an ugly statement, but i just don't you can charge him on this alone or should charge him on this alone. >> and even on political reasons it ends up -- it's like a gunfight where everyone's pointing guns at each other. and it would slow down getting anything actually done. >> yeah, look, it's a sideshow, it's a clown show in effect being led by the minority leader. at the end of the day the party with the power here is congress. he doesn't have the power to number one regardless of what he's saying about the rights that companies have to say no, he doesn't have any pow here. and at the of the day congress can subpoena here. the committee can subpoena all these telecommunications
companies and so on, move on, ignore and recognize an individual like kevin mccarthy who has an interest in the proceedings is just running his mouth. >> if democrats wanted to could they formally request the justice department investigation? >> individual members of congress can just like you and i can, you can make a statement to congress. and it's just you believe the matter warrants the investigation of the justice department. congress can go to a whole formal proceeding and refer it to the justice department. but again all that is a statement that you think the justice department ought to investigate it. at the end of the day it's the justice department's call. and right now you just don't have a great basis for charging him with a crime for this. >> elliot williams, appreciate that for that. >> next we'll have reactions to the controversial texas law just enacted that bans abortion in the state before many women even know they're pregnant. details in what may be ahead coming up. your heart isn't just yours.
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a new law in texas just enact effectively bans are abortions across the entire state. the legislation bans abortions after six weeks when many women do not know whether they're pregnant. president biden immediately attacked the new law calling it, quote, extreme and a violation of the constitutional right established under roe v. wade.
jeffrey earlier today you said this just the beginning of the end of roe v. wade. talk about what this law means and why the supreme court didn't actually even address it or intervene? >> well, it's pretty straightforward. roe v. wade was decided january 23, 1973. through all the subsequent decisions one thing has been clear. a state cannot ban abortion. but as of september 1, 2021, texes has banned abortion in the state and the supreme court has done nothing about it. that is significant. 29 million people in total live in texas. but this is also a model for the anti-abortion states to follow so that it looks like, and again without the supreme court stepping in these states can start banning abortion without the interference of the united states supreme court. >> just to be clear this law that texas has passed, it allows private citizens to bring civil
lawsuits against anyone who assists a pregnant person seeking an abortion an violation of the ban. that means not just doctors, does that include friends, relatives of the woman seeking an abortion, an uber driver who drove them to the clinic? >> anderson, this law is unique and i say that with gratitude because it is so completely bizarre. the idea that anyone in new york, in montana, in california can file a lawsuit in texas and say john smith a ob/gyn doctor did an abortion, and i want that person stopped. and i want a 10,000 reward for that, and i want my attorneys fee pays. that can be done. i know an uber driver who drove someone to an abortion. >> wait, under this law you get
a $10,000 award for -- >> you get a bounty. this is basically awarding bounty hunters around the country who can identify people who aid and abet abortion. now what that term means, aid and abet, has not been decided since this law is new. but i mean those words have fairly clear meaning. and this is an invitation to anyone in the entire united states to, you know, spy on doctors, to spy on uber drivers, to spy on relative of women seeking abortions and go try to pick up that money. what's actually going to happen as a result is abortion providers will simply stop providing abortions because they don't want to be exposed to that kind of liability, and that's the point of the law, banning abortion in texas. >> was there any explanation from any justice on the court why the court did not take this up? >> this is to me as someone who's followed the supreme court for a long time perhaps the most disgraceful thing about the
institution of the supreme court. look, everyone knows how the supreme court works. the first monday in october they hear arguments, they decide cases. by the end of june. that's how the court is supposed to work. but here on perhaps the second most significant case of the last 100 years roe v. wade, after only brown v. board of emicat education they allow this case to be violated i don't think anyone denies that with no opinion. the whole point of the supreme court wrewriting an opinion is at least they're obligated to explain what they do. here you have this enormously consequential thing, the fact this big state no longer allows abortion, and the supreme court was asked about it and they didn't say yes, they didn't say no. they just let it go. that to me is just a total dereliction of duty on the part of the justices. >> so what happens now? >> well, abortion is illegal in texas. that's now the status quo.
it is possible that the supreme court having been asked will eventually get around to dealing with this case. but it certainly hasn't happened yet. and they may not issue a stay. they may simply say, well, we'll hear this in the due course. but the status quo now is abortion is illegal in texas. the supreme court is also hearing a case out of -- out of mississippi in the usual course of business where they are -- where mississippi issued a similar draconian ban, and they are going to decide whether that is constitutional. that seems to be the vehicle to decide the fate of roe v. wade once and for all. but i think it is fair to at least assume that the fact that they let this law go into effect is that there are at least five justices who think it's okay for texas to ban abortion. we'll see. >> jeff, thanks.
joining me now is cecile richards, a texas native. your reaction when this happened. >> i mean, this is a tragic day for women not only in texas but across the country because the news is just the tip of the iceberg. once this kind of law is allowed to go into effect and really overnight 7 million women of childbearing age just lost a right they've had for almost 50 years, this is going to embolden the opponents of safe and legal abortion, and we're going to see more of tis. the stories coming out of health centers today, i've been talking to folks down there, are really heart breaking. women who show up and found out they'd lost their legal rights overnight. and i think the thing, anderson, that is really so upsetting is that it's not that abortion will not exist in texas. it's just that legal and safe abortion won't exist.
and of course when roe was decided so many years ago it was in large part because young, healthy women were dying in emergency rooms from botched abortions around the country. and i fear for the health and well-being of women and pregnant people in texas and in other states that are enacting these kinds of -- these kinds of laws. >> you have no doubt that women will die in texas from underground abortions? >> well, we know what happened just a few years ago actually when texas passed really outrageous laws. of course we had no idea there was something even more draconian that could be passed, and of course the supreme court ruled unconstitutional. a different court, not a court with three trump appointees on it. but that -- we saw at that time when clinics had to close that women started going to -- going across the border to mexico.
women started buying abortion pills online, you know, taking matters into their own hands. so i can't predict what's going to happen, but for many women in the state of texas particularly women who live in rural areas, who are low income, young women who are now going to be even fearful about asking how to access safe and legal abortion outside the state, i really fear for what is going to happen. this is republican party politics at its worst, and the heartlessness of this particular legislation, its disregard for women, their ability to make their own decisions is i think it's something going to have political consequences. >> it also just increases inequities in certainly in texas and the country. wealthy people who have access can travel, go to another state.
others will -- don't have those options. >> aets exactly right, anderson. and i think one of -- you know, one of the things that is going to be interesting to see is this law is so extreme it affects everyone. i don't care where you live, you live in highland park or the rio grande valley you can't get an abortion anymore in texas. i think it's going to be a wakeup call to just assume a right women have had for almost 50 years was going to stay intact. i mean this is -- this is going to cause the kind of outrage that i think can effect politics in texas and around the country. but as you say, you know, i'm hearing stories of women who are showing up, women who don't have the resources to leave the state to go to new mexico, to go to another place. and i just -- i really shudder
to think what will happen. of course one thing that's been mentioned by many people is that this law makes no exceptions for a victim of rape of incest, nothing. you can't get an abortion in texas. and the cruelty of this legislation is really hard to describe. and it's not the texas that we know. this is not what the voters of texas support. this is a republican party led by greg abbott that is sort of i think using his own politics at the expense of women. >> cecile richards, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. up next there's breaking news. joe rogan just disclosed he has covid. he also acknowledged taking a controversial treatment designed for animal. that's coming up. approved y fda combination of advil plus acetaminophen.
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because it's hurting him in the pocketbook. he had to postpone or reschedule one of his upcoming stage show. so you'd think one of the economic might get people attentions. he's portraying this as if he's doing better because of these cocktail of drugs and medications he's takench of course some of these are under emergency use authorization. others, you know, have been discourage by the cdc and fda. but when you have a horse deworming medication zurjed by the government that actually causes some people in this crazed environment we're in to actually want to try it, that's the upside down we're in. >> ivermectin apparently given to deworm animals. why are people using this? i know it's being spread online and stuff, but what is the theory that it works? >> well, i think there are some people who want to believe that there is a magic pill for covid,
which of course we would all want. but this is the main issue. with ivermectin not only is that we know -- not only are we saying there's no evidence it works. it goes beyond that. we're actually saying it doesn't work. there was a systematic review looking at ten randomized trials being done, look at different doses of iver meckten, and they found there was no reduction of symptoms for covid-19. it does not work. when everything is risk and there's no benefit, then this is not something that should be done. and i think the greater harm here is that it provides us false reassurance. people are now going about not getting vaccinated, saying they can do whatever they want with the understanding that there's as much a pill to save them at the end of the day except it's not a magic pill that actually works. >> and can you explain the down sides of taking it? >> well, every medication has
side effects and in this case especially because people are using doses totally inappropriate. ivermectin is used in homens for things like parasites and scabies but those are low dose. then they could get nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, severe skin rash, extremely low blood pressure and permanent liver damage. you could also die from overdose of ivermectin, and i hope people realize this and heed the advice of public health experts. >> appreciate it. thanks. more on the misinformation front when we continue. truly bizarre interview, one you kind of have to see to believe. from a lawyer who was a key ally of the former president after the election pushing the big lie, sydney powell in her own words. you kind of got to hear it. robl. hey, cam...? ah, same deal! yeah, it's kind of our thing. huh, that's a great deal... what if i'm new to at&t? cam, can you...?
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said themselves subsequently they were involved in one single county in l.a. are you saying you're not aware of that? >> i'm saying i think their involvement is probably a lot bigger than that. >> what actual research or fact checking did you do at the time to find out what smartmatics actual involvement in the election was? >> if you worked for smartmatic? >> you made an allegation against smartmatic that they stole a presidential election. i think it's incumbent on both of us to know what smartmatic's involvement was. it seems like a pretty foundational fact. >> i mean i'm confused right now about why you're here. >> correspondent sarah ferguson called powell's claims patently ridiculous. >> very quickly in the interview she decide i was somehow an envoy of the voting machine companies she had accused of rigging the election, so it kind of went downhill from there. >> reporter: like when ferguson presented powell about the facts of smartmatics role. >> do you accept the fact now
the company you accused of stealing an election only operated in one county in l.a. in california? one county, one state? >> no, i'm not prepared to accept that fact. i think smartmatics involvement was far more significant than that. >> reporter: and when powell was backed into a corner this happened. >> you said that smartmatic owns dominion, how do you justify such a basic error? >> i'm going to stop this interview. it's wholly inappropriate in the litigation we're inch. >> we're not even in the area of great dispute. these are the simple facts of who owns what. >> no, we're done. >> reporter: after some coaxing powell agreed to continue. >> i'm he highly skeptical of how long this is going to last. >> reporter: once again pushing the big lie and falsely claiming she has evidence. >> all the organizations who had the responsibility to check the nature of this election and to verify its results say there was no fraud. >> that's the propaganda they're putting out. i disagree with that completely,
and we have and will produce additional evidence that shows otherwise. >> are you saying that thousands of americans participated in a fraud? >> i am saying that thousands of americans have some role in it knowing laer unknowingly. it was essentially a bloodless coup where they took over the presidency of the united states without a single shot being fired. >> reporter: smartmatic and dominion voting have both filed multibillion dollar defamation lawsuits against powell and others. those lawsuits are moving forward in court despite efforts to are them dismissed. this interview was sydney powell's chance to safe save face. >> what do you have in your case? you have a bunch of dodgy affidavits that don't add up. you have a bunch of people with dubious credentials. >> that's your characterization. that's all your characterization. >> so far you've provide no evidence. >> you might as well be working for dominion and smartmatic.
>> i'm just waiting for you to provide the evidence. >> yeah, well, you'll see it in court. >> randy kaye joins me now. they've been saying you'll see it in court. i mean they were in court. they were thrown out of every court, you know, in all the various jurisdictions that they brought this stuff to court. >> yeah, absolutely, anderson. so where is the evidence? that's the key, but now this reporter, sarah ferguson, she did a great job. she was expecting some push back from sydney powell, but she was very surprised at the fact sydney powell was totally unprepared those were this reporter's words to try and support the baseless claims. in fact her producer seems to think powell agreed to the interview so she could practice for her upcoming depositions given the lawsuits she's facing. if you know anything about sydney powell, anderson, you know this is the same woman who's claim there was video -- video evidence of votes being carried across the border from mexico to the united states for joe biden. we never saw that video, did we? she also claimed dominion voting
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there's tornados, flash floods and heavy rains battering new jersey, new jersey. in pennsylvania 41 passengers including students had to be res cused from a school bus trapped in flood waters. that that's it for us. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." chris? lord, give me something easy. just one hard thing after another. anderson, thank you very much. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. there are new concerns at home after the taliban's take over. homeland security is picking up chatter on online platforms, but it's not what you might expect. taliban or other groups abroad issuing new threats, that's what you'd expect, right? this chatter is coming from here. and there's another twist. this is not about islamist extremist sleeper cells. it's about homegrown white supremacists and other violent extremist groups here who are looking to be more like th