tv CNN Newsroom With Alisyn Camerota and Victor Blackwell CNN September 15, 2021 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
that are going to blossom into this new industry where people will be able to fly in space. it won't be just space tourism or going to orbit, it will be flying from point a to point b where part of that flight path takes you outside the atmosphere. >> retired astronaut ron garan, thank you. that does it for me. victor blackwell and alisyn camerota take over right now. hello, i'm victor blackwell, thanks for joining us for newsroom. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. we begin with gut-wrenching testimony on capitol hill from some of our most decorated and beloved olympic gymnasts. they bravely recounted the sexual abuse they endured at the hands of former olympic team doctor larry nassar and blame the fbi for ignoring their complaints and allowing the abuse to continue for years. in 2018, more than 150 women and
girls said nassar had sexually abused them over the past two decades. >> he was sentenced up to 175 years in prison and the justice department found that the fbi officials who were investigating the allegations violated the agency's policies by making false statements and failing to properly document the complaints. among today's senate committee witnesses, simone biles, who said that, quote, the entire system enabled the abuse that she and her teammates suffered for so many years. >> to be clear, i blame larry nassar and i also blame an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. how much is a little girl worth? i sit before you today to raise my voice so that no little girl must endure what i, the athletes at this table and the countless others who needlessly suffered under nassar's guys of medical
treatment. let's be honest, by not taking immediate action from my report, they allowed a child molester to go free for more than a year. this inaction directly allowed nassar's abuse to continue. what is the point of reporting abuse if our own fbi agents are going to take it upon themselves to bury that report in a drawer? they had legal, legitimate evidence of child abuse and did nothing. if they're not going to protect me, i want to know who are they trying to protect? >> my reports of abuse were not only buried by usag, usopg but also mishandled by federal law enforcement officers who failed to follow their most basic duties. the fbi and others within both usag and usopc knew that nassar molested children and did nothing to restrict his access.
nassar found more than 100 new victims to molest. it was like serving innocent children up to a pedophile on a silver platter. >> now just days ago, just a few days ago the fbi fired one of the agents at the center of these failures. the fbi director, christopher wray, also testified about today -- at today's hearing. we'll get back to this in a moment but let's go to a news conference that kneethese gymna are holding right now. >> we're so extraordinarily impactful and impressive in the testimony that they gave. i want to thank my colleague, senator grassley, for joining us, the ranking member on the judiciary committee, and my colleague, senator moran, who could not be with us. today marks another step in a
continuing quest for accountability and justice. director wray testified just moments ago that he has run out of adjectives. i suggested to him we've all run out of adjectives to describe the monstrous, horrific, predatory, criminal conduct of larry nassar. we've run out of adjectives but we haven't run out of action. that's what the gymnasts deserve. the criminal conduct by larry nassar unfortunately was not unique to him and it was not unique to gymnastics, it was enabled by others and others have been enabled in this kind of predatory conduct. the fbi became an enabler rather
than an enforcer. the fbi became part of the problem, not the solution. and i have strongly called for continuing criminal investigation, if necessary, under new jurisdictional issues because i think justice will be done only if there is accountability here. we have legislated reforms in the u.s. olympic and paralympic committee. we have legislated reforms in safe sports, but we need accountability still. and that is why this hearing should be followed by another and i believe it will be that will involve the department of justice coming before our
committee and explaining why there has been no criminal prosecution here, despite a referral twice for criminal prosecution by the inspector general. these fbi agents lied on 302 reports, they are internal reports which are essential to criminal prosecutions. the material misstatements and deceptive omissions by fbi agents in my view are serious allegations that deserve further investigation. they lied apparently not only there but also to the inspector general as well. so let me just summarize and then i'll turn it over to my colleague, senator grassley. he'll be followed by whoever
would like to say a few words about today among the gymnasts, former gymnasts. they are stars. they really broke through today. they made an impact that i've rarely seen in my decade in the united states senate. their testimony was so powerful and important, and i want to thank them on behalf of the members who participated today for their courage and strength, their grace and daring. not only in the course of their tremendous athletic performance but as role models for so many young women and men in the way they stood up, spoke out, and made an impact today. thank you. senator grassley.
>> first of all, i associate myself with all the remarks you made and i thank these women for being here today. and i don't know whether i can say it any stronger than if you heard senator durbin's remarks immediately after these women testified. he said something along the lines that he has never heard such strong testimony to back up, one, the need for maybe further legislation, further hearings, but also the inadequacy of the enforcement of existing laws or even if it doesn't involve the enforcement of existing laws, it involves the fbi derelict in what they were doing. so whether it's the lack of what
executive branch agencies didn't do or whether we need more legislation is a question that is totally backed up by the testimony of these women, and particularly their speaking out for hundreds of other people that were affected the same way they were affected. we've been somewhat successful in passing some legislation, but this testimony indicates that we need to do a lot more and i think we worked in a bipartisan way in the first instances and will continue to work in a bipartisan way otherwise. thank you very much for your help and thank you all for coming. >> thanks a lot. >> you bet. >> do you want to go first? >> are you comfortable? do you want to go first? >> yeah.
>> my name is kayleigh lorenz and my last appointment with larry nassar was february 2nd of 2016 and that appointment never should have happened. i'm here speaking on behalf of the 120 victims who saw larry after the fbi knew of his abuse in 2015 and failed to investigate, failed to take action and failed to protect. let me be clear, i should not be here. i was abused from 2011 to 2016 and my life has been forever changed. when i think of the fbi, i think of truth, integrity and honor, and yet the reality of their actions was the exact opposite. one of the fbi core values is listed as accountability. so let me ask, where is the accountability? where is the accountability for
letting larry continue to sexually assault little girls on your watch? where is the accountability for those at the fbi who chose to place personal gain ahead of their duties to protect and serve? had anyone at the fbi done their job, then i would not be here speaking to you today. accountability will only occur when the fbi agents who did not do their job face criminal charges. my 2016 abuse is on them. it is five years later, five years of asking the same questions. it's time for these questions to be answered. thank you. >> we're going to open it up to questions.
[ inaudible question ] >> go ahead. >> so i think that in regards to the question about safe sport, i think it's really important for it to be a completely separate entity. safe sport should not be funded by an organization that there are reports against. there needs to be more clear -- what's the right word. what i was trying to say earlier was that with safe sport and
some of my personal experience and also -- or my mom's personal experience and with -- sorry, it's been a very long day. with other people that i've spoken to is that they bounce it around to other people and so there needs to be more clear lines of communication. >> and who's accountable, right? >> yes, yes. mom, do you want to add anything else to the safe sport thing? my brain is a little fried. >> there's no protection for the people reporting. there's nothing -- you know, safe sport is to protect the person and so i just think safe sport was created and is run by
usopc and the governing bodies. [ inaudible ] >> and i also think that whatever can be done to have all three usag, usopc be investigated. usag says there's been investigations but the scope of the investigation wasn't acceptable and it needs to be completely independent and it needs to go back decades. nobody is off limits, nothing is off limits. and until we know all the answers to that, we don't know who to hold accountable and there might still be people there that are in positions of power.
>> i'm just curious -- [ inaudible ] >> i haven't watched the full testimony because we -- this is a lot on us. i definitely do plan to watch it. but in order for me to be able to be here right now, i needed to take a little bit of a mental break. but no, i don't take any of their word. we've been getting empty promises from usag and usopc for years. i don't take people's words for things. it has to be action. and so, you know, hopefully
today will be a day that effectuates real meaningful change and hopefully we'll continue to get answers and people will be held accountable. but i think that we all deserve more than just words. >> can i introduce jessica howard to say a few words. >> hi. this is probably the first time i've stood in washington, d.c., listening to all of these words and all of these promises and all of these you're so courageous and all of these you're so brave comments. and i actually believed that something was going to be done. when i was at the beginning of the end of my career, my coach pulled me aside right before i got kicked out of the gym forever and she said that my failure in life was going to be that i trusted people too much
and i spoke too freely. and that has haunted me like some sort of ghost because i've been torn between wanting to trust people when they say things and wanting to believe that they are going to do the right thing and then actually seeing somebody do the right thing. there are only a handful of people who have, and that handful happens to be part of the most powerful organization in the united states, one of the most powerful organizations, the senate. i don't know how we got to be here today, but i can just say thank you from the bottom of my heart. it has personally contributed to saving my life and i know that everybody here, all the victims, we're tired of sharing our heartbreaking stories so people can have their heart strings tugged at. if the people do not -- the people that actually can take,
enforce the laws onto the people who are accountable, this will get fixed. it will go away and future generations will not face the abuse that we have faced and will not face a lifetime of side effects that may or may not be the end of them. so i just again want to thank the senate. thank you for everything you've said. i believe you. i believed you when you spoke last time i was here. today i believe even more and with this group i feel like we can really do something. so thank you. thank you. >> i would just emphasize that we were last in this room, many of you were here, and we made a promise to continue this fight. we're going to continue this fight. we've achieved legislation. we have reports. but we're going to continue this effort because we need to keep
faith with you and with all of the athletes who may be survivors and victims of this kind of abuse. you are the faces and voices that will achieve real change in this country. the enablers, the culture, the system, it's more than just one monster predator like larry nassar. there's a much broader responsibility and a need for broader accountability and that's what we're going to see, action and accountability. other questions? yes. >> do you guys think that there needs to be more -- [ inaudible ]
>> i know i sound like a broken record, but i think that your question is really important and i often ask myself the same thing. i think instead of us guessing if someone should be in the position of leadership or a position of power at usag or usoc, this is why i'm saying we need a complete independent investigation because i don't have all the answers. i -- you know, when you look at their press statements, for decades they have been saying the same things over and over again with no real meaningful change. but it is -- i can't understand how when you are a ceo and you have nothing to do with this disaster and you come in as the new ceo of an organization and you know that you're coming into a massive problem of sexual abuse and the first thing you do is not to investigate, in fact
do things to not investigate and to not do anything when people shame survivors and not hear survivors and try to create more education and do things that will really, truly make change, it's completely unacceptable. i can't understand if i was the ceo of an organization, the first thing i would do would be to have a completely independent investigation. i'm not sure why that hasn't been done yet. i mean maybe we can speculate because they're afraid that it's so bad that they don't want us to find out. >> and i would just add, you know, on safe sports, safe sports now has an independent source of funding. the jury is still out on whether it's going to be sufficient in terms of the reforms made already and we're going to be
monitoring it. we have a responsibility to watch closely. all of the reforms can be strengthened and we may well need to strengthen it. >> for the women that so bravely spoke out, can you tell us how has the fbi's handling of this case impacted your -- >> i'm going to be demanding more of the fbi but more important the department of justice. the department of justice today was a no-show. the department of justice failed to appear. they have responsibility ultimately for the fbi, for the prosecutions, and for action here. and director wray may have run out of adjectives, but the d department of justice hasn't run
out of action. they should be answering many of the questions. so i am by no means satisfied with what i heard today. >> as somebody who's been in and out of these rooms since the beginning of this coming forward, i just would like to let you know if the fbi had done anything that was even within their own policies and procedures, or followed any of the laws that are already in place to protect children from sexual abuse, some of these people would not even be here as victims, let alone talk about a recovery. so it seems a little bit redundant to me to continue to talk about the things that are going to be put in place when people cannot hear something about child sexual abuse, violent child sexual abuse, trafficking and being accessories to the fact that larry nassar did what he did and then we're somehow supposed to be able to answer where the fbi
screwed up. you know, there are amazing people, there are good people, but if people do not work with their conscience and work on a moral standard and just do the very basics of their jobs, then that's why we're here. we hope that can happen. but there are 120 people who would not have been victims had one fbi agent made a proper report or phone call. >> and during the hearing, i don't know whether you saw it, but i asked every one of these women whether they knew personally victims who became survivors during that nearly 18-month period, july 2015 to the end of 2016. there were 120 young women who laid before larry nassar on his
examining table and he did with them whatever he wanted because the fbi did nothing. let's be very clear. the fbi's inaction led to victimization of the most horrific and hideous kind. >> senator blumenthal -- [ inaudible ] >> i asked director wray about the potential for conspiracy and i'll be following up with him and inspector general horowitz and both of them said they would cooperate. i don't know whether anyone will be fired. but i hope we haven't heard the last of action. [ inaudible question ]
>> something about a subpoena? >> that's better. [ inaudible ] >> well, i definitely want to hear more from the department of justice. i want to hear something from the department of justice. today we heard nothing from the department of justice. after a letter that i wrote along with senator feinstein, specifically urging the top leadership of the department of
justice to come before us. and i want cooperation. i'd like to hear their testimony. >> can i say one thing about them not showing up? >> sure. >> also, the message by them not showing up to me sends that child abuse doesn't matter. and i think that's something that people in positions of power and these powerful organizations need to think about, is that the message that they are sending that abuse doesn't matter. i think it's completely shocking and disturbing that they didn't think it was important or they didn't think that what happened to us, you know, i have to speculate, wasn't bad enough for them to come. it's really unacceptable and hopefully we will get to hear their testimonies and if there is another hearing they will
show up. >> you know, i'll just say generally what we saw from the indianapolis office of the fbi and then the los angeles office and then the entire system was a failure to take seriously these allegations. they didn't take them seriously. and that's what really should be so outrageous. the perception may well be that the department of justice doesn't take this issue seriously. sometimes perception becomes reality. >> what does it feel like to get
a little bit of justice after you went through this again this morning? >> i can think of one thing. indictments. people being arrested where there is evidence and where there are witnesses. if there are no indictments and there is nobody being arrested and the people that have become accessories to again trafficking us and handing us on a silver platter to larry nassar are not held to account, i don't know what today was for. but today was for something and i believe that those things will begin to happen. >> thank you, everyone. really appreciate your being here. sorry for the delay and thank you especially to you all again. maybe we'll be back in this room. thank you all. >> thank you. >> you've been listening to some
of the survivors of the abuse inflicted by larry nassar. they're also with them senators grassley and blumenthal after this gut-wrenching testimony this morning about what they suffered and why the procedures that are already in place at the fbi were not followed. jessica howard there said this is not as much a conversation about which new laws need to be implemented but if they followed the policy that was already in place up to the estimate 120 victims would not be on this list as being victimized by larry nassar. >> there's so many sickening elements of this story and that is perhaps the most, that it didn't have to happen. had they listened to mikayla maroney in 2015, all of the young women who came after that didn't have to be victimized. they made that point over and over again. you can see not only were they elite athletes, they're elite human beings. under this unimaginable pressure, all of these cameras, all of these questions,
answering questions, reliving their trauma because they still believe and hold out hope that there may still be some justice. >> jessica howard also said we're tired. we're tired of telling this story to pull at the heart strings to get something to happen. again, this should not have happened because the policies were already in place to protect a lot of these women. let's bring in paula reid and senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director at the fbi. paula, you first. as we detail just how this investigation from office to office was botched, tell us which policies weren't followed and how this unfolded over the last several years? >> victor, it's really incredible. the office of inspector general's report focuses on the fbi field office in indianapolis. that's a branch of the fbi that handles complaints and allegations in that area and they focused on two individuals in that office. the first is the special agent
in charge at that time, jay abbott, and another special agent under him, michael langman. today we heard mikayla maroney detail how she spoke with langman back in 2015 and the details of her interview highly unusual. this is a minor with allegations of sex abuse and she talks about how she was on the phone with this agent, on the phone, that's very unusual, by herself, detailing these allegations for hours. she described how there weren't many follow-up questions. she also says and the inspector general report also reveals how this interview was not properly documented for almost another year and a half. now, there were also subsequent efforts to cover up mistakes that were made by the fbi. there are also allegations that the special agent in charge, mr. abbott, was in talks for a lucrative job doing security for the olympic committee. now, mr. abbott has since retired. michael langman has been fired. at this point there's no
expectation that either man will be criminally prosecuted. you heard many of the sex abuse survivors say in their testimony say they are really focused on accountability and they want to see, as one survivor just said, indictments. others said we want criminal prosecutions. >> andy, help us understand everything that we just heard and everything that paula just laid out. you were obviously a top official at the fbi during this time. what do you think was going on in the indianapolis field office and why is it that that supervisory special agent, michael langman, was just fired last week when we've known about these accusations and, you know, the dereliction of duty there for so long? >> alisyn, i wish i had good answers to many, many of these questions. i don't. i have to tell you that this is by far the worst example of investigative failure, irdereliction of duty that i have ever seen over the course
of my 20-plus years with the fbi. it's just -- and the consequences, my god. the priority of the fbi is to protect the american people and uphold the constitution and they failed in the most heinous and awful way, in a way that allowed upwards of now the numbers are somewhere in the range of 100 additional people, young women, to get victimized. i -- it's just absolutely head spinning. the failures by the indianapolis field office and the two people that you -- that you mentioned, they're not explainable in any reasonable or normal way. the details of the interview by phone of a survivor of sexual abuse, it's just not done under any normal circumstances that way. the failure to document that interview. fbi agents are required to document interviews within five days of conducting the interview.
this thing wasn't documented for 17 months, which in and of itself shows you that there was all kinds of problems there. i don't even know where to begin talking about just how absolutely awful this is, but i can tell you that the men and women who do these sorts of cases, and they get done hundreds and hundreds of times a day, in every office the fbi has, as director wray testified, 16,000 arrests of child predators in the last five years. i can tell you that every one of them is absolutely sick to their stomach over this failure of their colleagues. >> andrew, you suggest that this is isolated to a specific office, to a few agents. senator grassley said, quote, this is a serious problem at the heart of the fbi, not a case of a few errant agents. so he says that this is potentially cultural, structural. what's your response to that? >> well, i will tell you, victor, that anything this serious needs to be investigated
fully to make sure that it is not a structural or cultural problem. the i.g. report doesn't seem to indicate that that was their suspicions. i don't know if they're continuing to investigate in those directions. i am sure that director chris wray will be addressing that in his internal efforts that he's going to make to address this. i can tell you that that's not consistent with my experience with the crimes against children program, which is a major effort within the criminal investigative division of the fbi. as i said, the agents who do that work are known for the exact opposite of what you saw here, which is one of the reasons why this is so incredibly hard to believe. but i understand the concern, i share that concern, and we need to make sure that these types of abject failures are not happening in other cases. it's absolutely unacceptable on
any terms. >> senator blumenthal said the department of justice was a no-show. was the department of justice expected to show up there? why weren't they there? >> that's a great question. one of the lawmakers said the deputy attorney general, lisa monaco, had been invited to come and testify before lawmakers and had declined to do so. ultimately this question about whether someone should be criminally prosecuted, that fell to the justice department. the internal watchdog, the inspector general, he did a report, he presented his findings, but ultimately it's the justice department that makes the final decision on who is prosecuted. that was one of the big questions here in today's hearing that has gone unanswered. why weren't these individuals or any individual criminally prosecuted in this case? there are allegations that they lied to federal investigators. why are those not being pursued? that is a big outstanding question. there's not a lot of bipartisan consensus in washington right
now. one thing we saw on both sides of the aisle there's agreement about is there are a lot more questions they are going to be demanding answers of the justice department. >> andy, one specific detail that alisyn just mentioned is that this supervisory agent was just fired a few days ago. the wrongdoings happened years ago. the i.g. report was released mid-july. but only on the relative eve of hearing these stories does some action happen. another agent was allowed to retire. the timing is suspicious, is it not? >> it certainly seems that way, victor, but we have to -- there's a couple of things that i think might be at play here. again, the i.g.'s report doesn't address these things, but typically the bureau or doj doesn't take action against an employee until after the i.g.'s investigation is completed and the report is released. in this case the investigation took over three years so that
accounts for that time. once the report is delivered, the bureau has to go through its own process to terminate that employee. you'd have to ask the director why this action took place only on the eve of this hearing. i think it's a really good question but i don't know that we heard that answer today. >> paula, we only have a few more seconds left. is it up to the department of justice to prosecute or can these people be prosecuted elsewhere? >> it depends on what the allegations are where this took place. based on what we heard from the inspector general, there are suggestions that these individuals may have lied to federal agents, and that -- that would be something that federal prosecutors would pursue. ultimately that decision fell to the deputy attorney general or the attorney general who are not coming to answer any of these questions and that's really the big question going on in this hearing, why hasn't anyone been criminally prosecuted, particularly when you have this inspector general report. all of this evidence that there were not only mistakes made but deliberate actions to cover it
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general milley. >> that was president biden moments ago as calls for general mark milley to resign grow in some republican circles. >> let's bring in jeff zeleny. jeff, the bombshell, and i really try not to use that cliche -- >> it just warrants it. >> it really warrants it. the call made to china, the meeting called by the chairman of joint chiefs, it seems the president is standing behind him and he is defending himself too. >> it was two telephone calls that general mark milley made to his counterpart in china during the time of the insurrection essentially saying the u.s. is not going to launch a nuclear attack against china. he was increasingly concerned about the mental stability of then president donald trump around the time of the insurrection. all of these details are coming out in the book to be released next week by bob woodward and robert costa.
going into detail in those harrowing hours and days. the nation's top general, concerned about the stability of the president, so had to warn china about this attack. but president biden is standing by general milley. he talked about it briefly when he was asked a question on a meeting on a different topic. he's meeting now with ceos on covid-19. but white house press secretary jen psaki earlier said the president stands by general milley and believes in his leadership and patriotism. the white house is ignoring all of these calls largely from republicans that general milley should be dismissed and the president there as we heard in his own words has confidence and is standing by general milley. this is not the last word on this. general milley is scheduled to testify before the senate armed services committee later this month. you can bet all of this will be relitigated once again. >> jeff, thank you. joining me to discuss this and more, raja chkrisnamoorthi.
this is in the book "peril" by bob woodward and robert costa about the time of the election. there were two calls made to his chinese counterpart where he said in one of those calls, general li, you and i have known each other for five years now. if we're going to attack, i'm going to call you ahead of time. it's not going to be a surprise. unilateral decision to call a general of an adversarial nation and give them a heads up essentially if there's going to be an attack. are you okay with that? did he do the right thing? >> i'm concerned about that. obviously we have to hear from general milley about the context of what was being said. what we also know based on the published reports is he had intelligence that the chinese military was anticipating an attack from the u.s. and was about to take a preemptive measure. and so if that was the case, i
think that given the extraordinary circumstances surrounding donald trump and the concerns about his mental instability, i think it was probably appropriate for him to do something to avert war. but i'm still concerned about some specific statements he made. >> if not this, what? the idea that he should have done something. he said he's in the process here, he's in the chain of command. this was not his role, was it? >> well, as you remember, donald trump basically got rid of a lot of people in the chain of command and installed others who were thought to be just political hacks. and i think that it's very puzzling to me that people would criticize general milley without really criticizing donald trump's underlying behavior that precipitated general milley's actions. >> but that's not what we're hearing, congressman. we heard from some republicans in congress. we heard from senator rubio who says that the president should dismiss chairman milley, but
also colonel alexander vindman, who says that he did this for the right reason but should not have done it. here's what he told my colleague, chris cuomo. >> i find the reporting on china to be frankly absurd. i cannot imagine a situation in which the chairman of the joint chiefs offers to warn an adversary of an imminent attack. so i find that kind of casting a shadow over the rest of the reporting. that's why i said if the reporting is accurate, if the senior most military officer in the united states army or in the united states military acted without any oversight, without any accountability, i find that deeply troubling. it's doing -- to me seems like the wrong thing for seemingly the right reason. there is not a way to get away with that. there's not a way to walk away from that unscathed. >> so he says he seemingly did
it for the right reason, it was just the wrong thing to do. so wrong that he believes that maybe the reporting is wrong because it's so extreme. >> it's possible. we haven't heard from general milley. all we've heard about is the published reports in the book. that's why i think it is appropriate for him to come to congress and explain what he said. quite frankly, we need to also understand you have a president who display signs of instablts. >> his office says the calls were part of a series of discussions with u.s. allies and adversaries in order to maintain strategic stability. as we heard, general milley will be there in front of senate committee pretty soon. this justice for j6 rally that's happening there. the capitol police erecting the
fencing again. speaker pelosi sapd id they are much better prepared. are you confident they will be able to secure the facility. >> i think so. i think there should be an overwhelming show of support. last time they did just the opposite. this time i hope they do the right thing. finally, i think doj has to hustle and increase tempo of the prosecutions of those who committed crimes on january 6th. hundreds have yet to be arrested and of those arrested, numerous prosecutions have not unfolded. when you don't do that, you don't hold people accountable and they think they got away with it.
>> the insurrection was launched and led by people who believe the big lie that the election was stolen. there's a new poll out that shows that 78% of reps believe that president biden didn't win and 54% say there's solid evidence to prove it. four out of five republicans believe the president, this was a stolen election. what breaks this? >> one of the things we seen is fewer people identify as republicans. i think there's a lot more independents and democrats. i think the vast majority of democrats an independents believe just the opposite.
>> what does that mean? >> asking people that run for office, do you believe that the election was stolen from donald trump. do you believe that donald trump had nothing to do with january 6th. those are, by the way, some core polic beliefs of a lot of republicans we're talking to. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you so much. we have new developments in a defamation lawsuit against donald trump that do not look good for the former president. we have the details, next. usaa is made for the safe pilots. for mac. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble.
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just in, donald trump's request had been denied to stop the defamation lawsuit. this case has been on hold for almost a year while the former president and the department of justice pursued an appeal. >> this is a surprise. what does this mean? >> this is coming out of the blue out of left field. the judge received this request from the former president's lawyer in december of 2020 and he's not ruled on it until now. just to remind people, this is the defamation lawsuit against the former president. he's fought to have the
department of justice as the defendant and this judge had denied that. that caused the former president and the department of justice to appeal it and in that process, former president lawyer asked the judge to stop all lower court proceedings. what this means now is perhaps she could move forward with this lawsuit. she wants to get documents, records, potentially depose the former president and a copy of his dna, a cheek swab. >> she's accused donald trump before he was president of rape in a department store dressing room. >> that's right. she said he raped her in the mid-1990s in a new york department store dressing room. she wrote about this in a book and the former president denied it. that's where she say it was defamation. that's the crux of the case. it does involve the underlying conduct because it goes to truth of the matter. it could open up the door for her litigation to move forward.
it's also very likely that former president or the department of justice might go to appeals court and say can stay this lower court proceedings. this is coming to a head on its own. it's interesting why the judge did this now. did he run out of patience. it will be more than a year after his order that they will hear oral arguments and that can make months before the judges come to a conclusion. there's a lot at stake here. >> okay. we'll stay tuned. thank you very much. emotional and infuriating testimony of four star gymna