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joe biden has won arizona again. this time the count was done by people with every reason wanting him to lose. former president trump was expecting a different results. everybody will be watching arizona to see what the highly respected auditors and the state senate found out. he suggested there was fraud found. the lie and he says the fake news got it wrong and lied again. not only this cyber ninja head count tabulate results close to what maricopa reported, it determined biden got 99 more votes than initially reported. trump, 261 fewer. so the fraud was on trump's count, right? wrong. why? this is not about fraud. it's about human error as it's always and almost the case. no candidate in history have
lost an election more times than donald trump. we are waiting on trump, while we wait, here is what arizona's senate president who led this had to say. >> the ballot count were close to what maricopa county reported. that's a true statement. >> 2.1 million ballots processed by hand. the ninjas say over 1500 people took part for a total of 100,000 hours. they were looking for bamboo, checking them for secret water marks, fake ballots were flown into china. it was all b.s., no such fraud was found. so will this calm the conspiracies? will it stop the democracy demolition? >> this is never been about overturning the election, this
is never been desertifying. i find it ironic that our secretary of state and a few others calling this a sham audit. the interesting fact is the truth is truth, numbers are numbers. >> yes, you just decided to accept them only now. >> this was true when it was first counted. it was true when it was checked. it was true when it was rechecked. so, the reason that everybody was suspicious that you insisted on this and you kept saying it was wrong and you brought in a group that didn't know what it was talking about and wild theories came out and they would not let people check what they were doing. the nefarious notions. that's what did it. the problem is, even though now, this one is right and it's just
this one. 78% of republicans think biden did not win legitimate, despite no evidence to back it up. that changed. likely no. instead of pausing to process this epic failure of finding fraud, the trumpers just moved on. wisconsin and florida all working on similar recounts. now, texas, trump won texas. is that the goal? do they want people to never trust the election again? you don't fire up your army supporters to attack the capitol because you lost.
our inside authority says the ugly chatter is growing. what comes next? michael broomhed. good to see you brother, you were like turns out it's all going to be right and we were wondering what effect will this have. what do you think the answer to that is? >> i am not sure yet and we'll find out the coming days. >> we still got to look at the routers and doug logan says the information they give today may be incomplete. the battle line is drawn in that regard. there was an interesting response from the supervisors today. i don't know if it's going to go to court or where it goes next. >> how do so many in the right wing media sees this as a win?
>> to be honest, i don't know if anybody sees this as a win? >> the majority people that i talk to don't see this as a win. there are so many people that's supportive of this audit says this is way too long and it's time toll move on. i don't know if a lot of pea see this as a win. >> they had a whole watch party for this. they were planning a rally. >> yep. >> they were expecting a different outcome, celebrating democracy. >> there were a lot of people in spite of what karen phan said all along that this was not about overturning the election. there were a lot of people that believed the cyber ninjas and other sub contractors were going to say they found widespread fraud and that was opposite of what they said today. >> how do you get to a better place if they keep recounting votes that had been counted and certified and recertified by
state officials who are often republicans. >> let me flip this around and give you an analogy. >> please. >> i thought the adam schiff's comment about investigating trump that they had proof and they never produced. there were still people believed that the election was stolen from hillary and stacey abrams. i think the further we get away from that audit, i think that group of people that say those things will become smaller and smaller. >> i hear you on the analogy, help me understand this hot take from this process. >> here is the first top line, steve. >> yes, it was stolen in arizona. >> the numbers are not adding up to what originally certified. >> there are a lot of indication
of fraud. that's the spin on the misinformation. >> they're all lies. >> okay, i will tell you today antido antidotally today while i was on my show, i got the same analogy and this was somebody sending me an article telling me of trump and all other things. there is always going to be a segment of people that don't believe it. you are a football fan like i am and different teams who are fans. when your team you feel it's hosed on a call. you are going to hang your hat on that if you don't want to believe your team lost. years ago when hillary lost, the democrats were shocked that there were any way legally or justifiably that she could lose to trump. i would tell you here in arizona ant
antid antidotally, there were a lot of people say there is no way he lost to biden honestly. >> do you think that there is a better chance that we whine up re reminding ourselves we are on the same team. people are going to stay 75% or 80% convinced that your party that this was robbed. >> everybody agrees it's time to drop the battle. if you think about you and i and how different we are sometimes and things. there is never been a conversation that you had off the air that didn't start with neutral respect. there are a lot more people around you and me on these issues where we hold our positions on believes. we are not going to demonize the person we are talking to. that wins out in the end.
>> there happens to be a big difference. despite the fact that we have weird names. i would argue yours may be weirder. >> oh, mine is definitely weirder. >> you and i don't believe things that are untheter to reality. you and i are like most americans. i don't know if you heard this story. i was outside my house trying to do -- instead of being surrounded by paparazzis, i had power workers out there and they were all about the vaccine. they were arguing about the vaccines and the vaccines can help some and hurting others, why are we getting it? nobody says the vaccines can hurt as many can help. the way they were talking about it. the guy as yeah, don't buy it.
i don't know where you get your number. you better stay out of the hospital and you get sick. at the end of it, they were eating lunch together and that's why i am so encouraging of you to come on the show and i promise and i know i am all talk and no walk. i will come on the mike broomhed show. >> i agree with you 100%. on social media and others where it's not face-to-face, when you talk to someone and you show them respects and give them your opinions, they begin to understand it's not personal. we have given the attention a lot of times, both of us are guilty of giving people attention that's more on the extreme because they made for better sounder or headline or story. in the end when it comes to decision making process, more people are like you and i.
i had clint hickman on, he came on the show today and he called for our governor, our attorney general and state's treasure, he called for all three of them to call for the resignation of dr. kelly ward, our state's party chairman. we are starting to see that stuff happens as well. >> all right, broomhed, i will talk to you soon. >> all right, you too brother. new development of the petito's case tonight. a second witness came to light saying she gave laundri a ride. this is the second hitchhike story but this is the interesting part that'll take you through. the two stories go together and leads to different conclusions. next. nsurance so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you?
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a second woman, norma jean tells us she picked up laundri as a hitchhiker. he also reportedly told miranda baker that he had been hiking along the snake river. he said he wanted to go in that direction and talked about his fiance being back on the van and working on their social media page. he got out and right then and she thought it was very odd. this second story seems to pick up right there.
because the time that the two gives seemed to coordinate. she picks him up and going in the opposite direction. he told her she needed to drop him off at the spread creek disperse campground. the same area where gabby's remains were found three weeks later and where the van was seen. florida officials are searching for laundri, amid a federal arrest warrant. authorities maintained it's not for nothing. >> there are many, many more resources we are deploying in here other than the search efforts we are seeing here. we have investigative means and other technologies, agencies are issuing search warrants. we are not wasting our time out here. we are doing our due diligence to find brian in areas that
intelligence he could possibly be in. >> they're taking it very seriously. it's a big area. top legal mind, joey jackson is here, our criminal defense extraordinary. these two stories, one couple picks him up going into one direction and not where he wants to go. he gets out and had the other woman takes him back to where he came from. the initial story was this was not where i want to go. >> yeah, good evening, chris, the reality is a person can be conflicted. we all make a decision a and let's say oh, second thought, let's do decision b, right? and so that seemingly could be human nature. the significant point to me is that you have him at the scene of the crime. and say argue what you will and
spin what you will, he wants to go where he wants to go. i want to do this and a person can be panicked or agitated or a person can add a variety of way. the big take away for me is at the big of the day where he is is where he's found and debt. a dead. a lot of people say he's responsible and that's what the prosecutors pointed to. >> the fact pattern gotten worse for him. the first account, you don't know where he goes, he just gets out. i am going to the wrong place. he wanted to go to jackson and not jackson hold. the fact changed to his disfavor. why do you think it's taking so long to process gabby? >> you know i think there is a number of things happening of many of which we don't know. remember the significance of a grand jury having been convened.
we didn't know that. we knew that as a result of the indictment that of course they voted out, a grand jury just to be clear, chris, we know consist of 23 people and only a simple majority have to say the reason to believe a crime was committed. the big take away and the big question is well, yeah, they didn't indict him harder. well, not so fast, they indicted him simply related to the credit card and electronic transactions. the grand jury presented information regularly. what i think they are doing is as the investigation unfolds, they're given the grand jury more evidence and more pieces to the puzzle. different witnesses who apparently got in the car of, he was hitchhiking, further of the timeline and further where he is and circumstantial evidence all leading to the conclusion that
it was probably him and purposes of an indictment that's all you need is a simple probability that it was him. > >> in terms of the timeline, i have some information of which have not been reported. why didn't gabby's family reported her missing for ten days. what were they bad parents? i heard that story in the air a lot. they didn't know that brian was back. he didn't tell them when he came back and his family didn't tell them. so, a few days, it's 22 and now 12. - so they gave her a couple of days. they know it's not great service so that adds a little bit more and it starts to get a little
weird. and they hear nothing. when they finally make an effort where they're going to come to the house and they are told don't. they gotten a lawyer. does it sound right to you? >> it does not. two pieces, any lawyer going to advise you not to say anything. that's the standard because you can say something to someone and could be misconstrued or misinterpreted or used against you. the big piece is the consciousness of guilt. what does it mean? it means that in the event that you run, in the event that you go some where or in the event you try to get away. what further evidence that mind? when you are away and you were with their daughter. you disconnect and disengage from the family and you affirmatively don't want to speak to that family, that
further evidences that perhaps you don't want to speak to them because you did something that may in effect be of a criminal variety and so all of these things are significant. not in isolation, right? but they are significant as y yy you continue to build the story. you build it with where they went. you build it with the social media content that they are displaying everyday, keeping in touch with everyone and it goes cold. you build it by pinpointing at the scene. you build it by the autopsy report. they are pieces to the puzzle that ultimately paints a picture and for prosecutor's perspective, the picture is vivid. hey, show me where hef was ther and indicate to me that he's guilty. circumstantial evidence is pointing to him to be a responsible party. >> but, look, on one stand alone
basis, just in terms of humanity, this girl lives with him. they were supposed to be close to her and cared about her. the fiance of her son. you don't tell the parents that the kid is back without her and you don't take their call and it matters in terms of the timeline because who knows how long gabby was laying out there. it may have made a difference in terms of the forensics. >> what you described is human nature. that's the conduct that we expect and anticipate people to engage in and when they don't, it raises questions. this is the person who cared about you. it go es to the issue of consciousness of guilt. the humanity you are speaking to is so powerful to a jury because it does not add up. >> joey jackson, thank you very much. >> appreciate it. two positive covid tests up
ended in the interview with the respect on "the view" today. >> there seems to be something happening that i am not 100% aware of. >> the two f oof you step up fo second. >> sunny and anna are strong women and i know they are fine but it does speak to the fact that they are vaccinated and vaccines make all the difference. now there is a twist and i really hope you let us explain it in the way that it's actually accurate and not just using it more fuel for gazey skepticism, we have our top health official, next.
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two hosts tested positive for covid on "the view." our own anna navorro was told to leave the set immediately. both are vaccinated. a twist, sources tell us they both tested negative since the positive twice. now they are waiting on a result on another pcr test, was it a false positive? would have to be right if those other subsequent tests are correct. what does it mean? dr. emanuel, let's start with break through and go to testing. >> oh you see, that's why you don't have to take the vaccines, you still get sick anyway. >> well, that's not true. it's true that we have break through infections, the people who have been vaccinated have much more mild cases and much
fewer hospitalizations. in many studies there is one person out of 200 or 300 who gets hospitalized and no deaths. very different than the unvaccinated. by the way, chris, if you look at the map, the place where we are having big outbreak, tennessee, kentucky, wyoming and montana, those in general are places of low vaccination rates and it's among the unvaccinated that are getting these big surges. the vaccine while it's preventing cases is excellent prer preventing hoespitalizations an deaths. >> the testing, you can't trust it either. you want to test all the time and you are positive and negative. does not make any sense. >> we have had a problem with testing right from the start. the cdc got the test right at the start wrong. we never build up the right
testing infrastructure. we went up to many couple of a million tests a day. testing is usual when you can screen people. >> first of all, i personally had a false positive by one of t thosover the could nter test. i get tested once a week because i have a class of 160 students that i teach twice a week. testing has a very important role. we never properly created the testing infrastructure and if they had a rapid test, it's possible they are false positives and that subsequent test confirms through pcr they are negative. that's perfectly possible. >> why is the rapid getting it
wrong and the pcr getting it right. >> because they are two different tests. one test looking at the protein that made the virus and other is looking at the dna of the virus. that really may you have a positive but the virus you got may be infected but you won't miss a case with pcr test. >> because they are so se sensitive. i appreciate you very much. thanks very much for setting us up straight on this. dr. emanuel, thank you. it's obvious what they want to do. they want to prove biden lost but he won. he gained votes and trump lost votes. the lies likely won't stop.
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the big lie in arizona, it's about more than one place, it didn't matter what the cyber ninjas found or didn't find. more e lected members allowing this to grow, the more it bec becomes. harry ossman. good to see you, young man. let's start with the basic premise of what the lie means to those who support trump. >> there are a lot of reasons why this lie is going about massive ego is one.
so discontent and misinformation about the other. it's also about 2024. donald trump wants to run in 2024. there are a lot of people who supported him within the republican party. this gives you an idea of why they are pushing this fake lie. look at this. the gop had the best chance winning in 2024 with trump as the nominee. 62% of those folks think trump gives them the best chance to win in november of 2024. the idea essentially, if you don't look trump actually lost then he keeps on pushing. >> one of the reasons that i h hope for new demographic of the unvaccinated verses the vaccinated. the vaccinated verse it is new majority, when you poll the vaccinated, they still poll
heavy as a party and they support trump, too. you see it when you look at the numbers and it's not just party fringe. >> it's not just party fringe. what we essentially see right here which is so key to this is that if you are in the basic belief, i believe that the electio election is stolen and there are solid evidence. just 42% of those votes vaccinated. to me is not about the election. it's about everyday life. when you believe one life, you are far likely to believe another lie. that's why it's so, so dangerous. >> no solid evidence that biden won. put that backup for a second. why are those numbers not add up
to 100. >> they are different group. >> what we are saying among those believer that solid evidence that they did not win legitimately. if you believer there is no -- >> i got cha. i am glad we are able to do a math lesson on friday night. >> it was more of an organization about data. >> the 42% is still kind of high. if you think about it, if somebody is smart enough to get vaccinated and stepping the things that trump rejects, 42% of them still buy into the big lie. it's weird, how you believe in the vaccine s but you don't believe in the science and the election. >> go ahead. this is not normal. no, this is not normal. > there are plenty of candidates who have lost elections before,
right. you know i have a lot of trophies in my apartment. i did win a lot of those because i am so skillful. you look back since 2004. you look back at the candidate party, do you have no confidence at all in the election results. what you will see is the no competence and all number tends to be about 10% that they have no confidence at all. 63%, something has clearly changed. you know what changed? the the candidate did not concede. he's so discontent and this is the results. it's almost as if they don't
believe gravity because we all know that joe biden won legitimately if you look at the evidence. these folks decide if you want to look away. >> harry, when you are talking, no one can look away. >> you did so well, i am going to hook you up. did you know that harry has a new podcast and it's doing very well? the podcast is called "margins of error." the wizard of odz looks at the story behind the statistics. very entertaining and informational and leaves the cover photo to decide. >> two good looking guys and one other out there. >> i like you with the beard and without the beard. >> you like two versions of me, you can vote on my twitter page which one is better. >> good night. >> we told you about daniel
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bags were deployed suggesting obviously after the initial contact. in the search for daniel, listen to this, they came upon a number of remains including a human skull maybe five people, but it wasn't daniel, none of them. joining me now is jeff mcgraph, the private investigator helping the family in their search. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> authorities put out a report. you find it unsettling because. >> i've had that report for two months, three months now and i was brought in because of the vehicle. and my expertise is in forensic accident investigation. and i've looked at what the air bag control module tells me in the vehicle. >> and what does it tell you?
>> it tells me that there were 46 additional ignition cycles after air bag deployment, that the vehicle was traveling consistently 29 to 30 miles per hour for five seconds prior to air bag deployment. there isn't enough room in that ravine off the ridge to travel that distance and speed. there was 11 additional miles on the vehicle from the time the air bags deployed. the damage didn't match what was found in the ravine. >> what does that make you think. >> that makes me think that vehicle was crashed somewhere else and i have reason to believe more than once because i have possession of the vehicle and we've done extensive inspections on it and it shows it's been involved in at least two collisions. we don't know which one deployed the air bags but they were two significant collisions and those were not what it was at the bottom of the ravine. however it got to the bottom of the ravine, we know the tire tracks that go down there, but who was in it, who was operating it, we don't know.
it could have been daniel. it could have been someone else. it doesn't match. it just doesn't match that area. >> so what scenarios do you envision? he was hit by another car and someone did something to him and then took the car and got lost in the desert? what do you envision? >> it's tough to envision what took place because we're still lacking a lot of evidence. the buckeye police department and my office are all lacking evidence. it appears that right there from where the vehicle was recovered that there is no exit away from the vehicle. there is no obvious signs that somebody was walking out of there or drove out of there. there is nothing. it ends right there in ravine and there is no blood or dna to indicate anybody was injured in
that. >> what do you make of the idea clothes were found in the car? do you believe they were spare clothes do you think they were what he had on? >> they were his work clothes. we do know that because his work vest was there as well and his work boots. it's not uncommon for geologists to carry extra clothes in the vehicles where they go out to remote locations but we don't have any proof that he had a change of clothes with him. it would be unlikely if he didn't. >> do you think this situation speaks to the existence of another participant? >> we were leaning that way early on in this investigation but the more my team starts to dig into this, it appears that we just can't say for certain if
there is anybody else involved. we just can't rule out foul play but i can't say there was foul play at this time, either. >> the idea that somebody who was working with him said he seemed off in the days immediately before he disappeared and the theory of the local police that he went off to some kind of monkhood or something like that, what do you make of those suggestions? >> well, i think him wondering off to join the monastery that was suggested to mr. robinson i think is absurd. there was a person that worked for another company that digs the well that last saw daniel on june 23rd and he made a statement that he was acting odd. i've interviewed him, and he made statements that, you know, daniel just said he was tired and wanted to go rest. so what that means, i don't know. i don't have anybody else to ask that could answer that question. >> now, i would say to you,
people don't just disappear as you know from your line of work and yet, you found remains of multiple people in the desert that i guess, searches had just never turned anything up, none of them were daniel. so people can just disappear and never become resolved. do you have hope for continuing this search? >> yes, i do have hope. we have other areas we're going to start looking into. we have tips we're following up on. so i do have hope, yeah. i do want to bring daniel home to his family. >> absolutely. >> i have to keep some hope. >> we'll put daniel's picture up now. if anybody has seen him, please give information. it's right there. we'll put it in social media, also. there is a $10,000 reward for tips through the website and phone number on your screen. if you have information, please do the right thing, contact the buckeye police department. jeff, thank you for what you're doing for this family.
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