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you know, people are going to say look, they want a sensor on social media. no. i know a lot of that comes from the right. you know who gets the most traffic on the right? you know who has the most penetration on the top of the list? members of the right. so i don't know what they're complaining about. "don lemon tonight" with the big store d. lemon. >> i'm fired up and always felt this way that social media should be regulated. they should follow the same rules that we follow here in legacy media. they should -- you shouldn't just be able to spread things about people that's not true. so it has a big influence on someone's livelihood, their credibility, their career, even their lives and so i think that this should be regulated.
i've always thought that. i don't think i should be able to go on twitter or facebook or instagram and say whatever i want about chris cuomo whether it's true or not. i don't believe people should be able to do that or about anyone, even someone who is -- doesn't like me. i don't believe that you should be able to do that. i don't believe that people should be able to -- i told you about there is a picture on social media of me and you, right? that people love to spread. i don't bother with it anymore but they have photo shopped jeffrey epstein's face over your body and they spread it and they say don lemon doesn't want people to see him with jeffrey epstein and social media won't take it down. it's -- and it's -- you know -- >> so i think -- >> people believe it's true. >> here is the word i disagree with. regulated. why? because it sets you up for failure because it reads to people like oh, they want the government to control everything and it plays into these political tropes. >> it should be at least true, chris. >> absolutely.
no, no, i'm not talking about the nature of the content but mechanism of change. what i did was give them the benefit of the doubt they built the stadium. they don't populate the way inside we do and we have different vetting. i have evolved in my understanding because i have a much better understanding of what they can know and how easily they can manipulate. that's why i'm bringing up the kids. you milk in kids for money because you can and what mcnamee said and i'll do a regular session with him about this until we get to a solution is you know how to manipulate what is on and to control curate wha. you can't make money off disinf disinformation. human trafficking is an example and you can't do that because it's a federal felony but there are a lot of things that are felonious you're letting get by
because it works for your business model and the time has come. you have to flip it and show us you can't do what you're being asked to do. >> the most egregious of it all, the people that have the biggest platform on social media. >> all righties. >> all of them are righties. listen, if you want to call it legacy media, conservative media does the same thing. they have no -- they have no real protocol. they have no real structure in what -- they say what they want. they put headlines and things and write about things. >> they say it's opinion. >> but most people -- we would never even put it on, give it the light of day -- >> that's because we have news accountability. >> that's the -- the whole nighttime lineup is entertainment. >> but fox and -- they said -- they shouldn't put news behind it and social media should do the same thing. they shouldn't be able to put things out there and with, you know. >> because they know.
you know, you and i talk about needing bigger lines for a boat, all of a sudden we're gettinged as ads for boat stuff. they know what is being said. if you know what is being said and find ways to profit off it, you have to police it. i know what kind of journalist is going to say they want censorship. not talking about -- >> this is not censorship. >> if you can't say it here, you shouldn't be able to say it there. >> amen. >> that's the point. >> and the time has come and it's got to be pushed. >> i agree. yellow journalism. for the ones who claim to be journalists. the others innuendo. social media is like going in the middle of the street and screaming opinions is what it is. >> it is except instead of just in the middle of the street, it gets delivered to everybody. >> around the world. >> in their mailbox and you can see it and you see it without any context. >> yeah. >> i love you d. lemon. >> love you more. i got a lot to talk about
because we're running out of time in many, many ways. >> make your witness. >> see you soon. this is "don lemon tonight." is it still infrastructure week where every week, every day was infrastructure week. right? so joe biden is running out of time with everything on the line. we are running out of time and i'll explain that by the end of this take that i'm doing right now. by the way, it sparked don's take, right? i'm being transparent here. when i give you this at the top of the show i tell you it's my take. all right? it's not just like some channels opinion or propaganda. democrats are running out of patience with the holdouts in their party. joe mansion getting facetime with the president today for more than an hour. k kyrsten sinema having not one but two, three white house meetings today but there are plenty of areas of disagreement and not clear how quickly a deal
could be reached. that as the house speaker nancy pelosi does a 180 now saying she's going to hold the vote on thursday on the president 's bipartisan infrastructure deal that could reshape the lives of millions of americans and progressives are digging in their heels. >> our caucus is strongest when unified and decoupling these bills. it starts to pit priorities against one another and that's why i disagree with separating that. >> it goes on and on and on. we talk and talk and nothing is happening and i think that's why it's important that we defeat the infrastructure bill in the house and that if these guys want to see the infrastructure bill pass, they have to deal with us in reconciliation. >> he's right. talk, talk, talk and nothing happens. american people need their elected officials to work for them and not for their parties. and not for each other or themselves i should say.
that is happening as the clock is ticking to midnight thursday with a possible government shutdown looming. military personnel wouldn't get paid, care about the military but, you know, they're not going to get paid because you can't reach a deal. you don't want to raise the debt ceiling and you've done it before. military personnel wouldn't get paid, neither would hundreds of ts arng tsa employees and cuts to the cdc and if the united states defaults in a matter of weeks nearly 6 million jobs could be lost. did you hear that? nearly 6 million jobs could be lost. maybe that's a point for some. to sabotage it because they're not in power. well, kind of. minority rule is happening right now. anyways. i digress. so 6 million jobs could be lost. unemployment could sore. stock prices could plummet
potentially hammering your 401 ks, that's at stake if congress can't get it together in time and then the fireworks on c capitol hill today as the top generals contradicted the president whether they want to keep 2500 american troops in afghanistan. >> i won't share my personal recommendation with the president but i'll give you my honest opinion and my honest opinion and view shaped my recommendation. i recommend we maintain 2500 troops in afghanistan. >> general milley, i believe you agree with that? >> i agree with that. >> the president told abc's george stephanopoulos this last month. here it is. >> military advisors did not say no, we should keep 2500 troops. it's been a stable situation. we can continue to do that. >> no, nobody said that to me that i can recall. >> that i can recall. all right. the fact is joe biden is the commander in chief.
he ran on getting out of afghanistan and did just that. now the white house pushing back on the critics pointing out nobody thought keeping 2500 troops on the ground in afghanistan was sustainable. >> recommendations made by a range of advisors something he welcomed, something he asked them to come to him clear eyed about to give him candid advice. there was no one who said five years from now we can have 2500 troops and that would be sustainable. that's important for people to know and understand. >> he can't recall but the two gentlemen saying they told him. and then there is general mark milley's response to reporting and bob woodward and costa's book called "peril" two days after the insurrection at the capitol. >> i sought to assure her that nuclear launch is governed by a
very specific and deliberate process. she was concerned and made very or made various personal references characterizing the president. i explained to her that the president is the sole nuclear launch authority and he doesn't launch them alone and that i am not qualified to determine the mental health of the president of the united states. >> he was emphatic and chose his words carefully. that is a pretty extraordinary statement. the chairman of the joint chiefs saying that he's not qualified to determine the mental health of a president and how about the exchange with republican senator marsha blackburn that asked general milley if he was accurately quoted in any of the books about the trump administration. >> general milley, yes or no to
this, did you talk to bob woodward or robert costa for their book "peril". >> woodward yes, costa, no. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book "frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost"? >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books. so i don't know. i have seen press reporting of it. i haven't read the books. >> let's have you read the books and then let us know if you're accurately -- >> absolutely. >> he's telling the press reporting so he knows the quotes and context. you will notice that he didn't say he was misquoted in the revelations in any of those books. there is another book in the news, as well, from former trump white house press secretary
stephanie graisham. she never held a press briefing, which was her job. that was her job. so she's got a new book out. hugely ironic title called i'll take your questions now. "the new york times" reports that she writes the then president inspired by north korea's brutal dictatorship asked her to research ways the press could be barred from the briefing room which seems like a waste of time since she wasn't briefing anyone. she also strongly implies that the former president's secret visit to walter reed in 2019 appeared to be for a routine c c co c colonoscopy and said trump's son-in-law and senior advisor jared kushner reputing -- is that reputing?
in a slim fitting suit, the slim reaper. [ laughter ] okay. sure, she will answer the questions now but she never spoke up about this at the time when it might have done the country some good. speaking of doing some good, there is a huge announcement today from lebron james. he says he was skeptical about the vaccine at first but did his research and decided to get vaccinated. >> i know that i was very skepticism about it all but after doing my research and things of that nature, i felt like it was best suited for not only me and my family and friends and, you know, that's why i decided to do it. you're talking about individual's bodies, you know. we're not talking about something else, you know, political or racism or police brutality and things of that nature. we're talking about people's bodies and well beings so i don't feel like for me
personally i should get involved in what other people should do for their bodies and livelihoods. >> a lot of people look up to lebron james and value his opinion so it matterslicly abou vaccinated even though he did had doubts but he doesn't want to speak for what everybody else wants to do. if you believe in the science, if you do your research and follow the facts, don't you have a responsibility to use your platform to tell people the truth? i talked about that with hall of fame er kareem abdul-jabbar las night. >> we have to educate ourselves so we understand what is being offered. these vaccines are safe and they are effective, and we have to fight this virus as a group. >> he's going to be here again tonight to talk about what lebron did today. and we've talked about our toxic politics and literal toxicity of
rhetoric and people like you've got to pay attention to this. we tell you, you know, about the former president and the big lie but you know who is actually spreading the big lie and implementing policies that are dangerous because of the big lie? it's more important that we talk about the people who are in power who are helping to spread this b.s. and to keep it going. people like congressman paul gosar still lying about non-exin non-existent election fraud in arizona and beyond. >> we can follow through on the audit. folks, if it's what i've been told and i had people come to me early hours ocho tf the day aft from the security to cia between 450 and 700,000 ballots were altered in the state of arizona.
>> not one word of that is true. if those departments even exist. and he's telling, this is an elected official spreading that. trump is not an elected official anymore. paul gosar is and the likes of him. there in lies the problem. all of that is a lie what he said. just the kind of toxic lie still spreading across this country and speaking of a former president, the former president barack obama had something to say today about all of this toxicity. >> what we've seen is that in the breach a culture of criticism and mistrust can grow. we start seeing more division and increasingly bitter conflict. the politics, feeds anger and resentment towards those who aren't like us. and starts turning away from democratic principles in favor
of tribalism and what makes right. this is true in europe and in asia. it's true in latin america and in africa and it happens to be true here at home. but the good news is we can reverse these trends. i don't believe it's inevitable that we succumb to paralysis or mutual hatred that reserve power and privilege for the few. >> look, he is an optimistic man, more of ptimistic than i a and the time that i mentioned in the beginning, the theme of this is we're running out of time. that's the warning for the former president. the toc xicity is real and dangerous. time is not running out. because the time is here. the lies are all around us and if we can't get a grip as a
country, it just might be too late. the top generals apparently contradicting their commander in chief today and the white house is pushing back. is it a problem for the president? >> he asked for candor. he asked for directness in any scenario, he's not asking for a bunch of yes men and women. that means ultimately he'll make the decision what is in the best interest of the united states.
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the president cancelling plans tomorrow to try to salvage his legislative agenda. the president meeting with joe mansion and kyrsten sinema at the white house but the divide between those senators and progressive democrats is still as wide as ever with no clear answer on how to get both sides to agree on passing a bipartisan infrastructure bill and larger spending package. so joining me now, cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger, a team tonight, viewers. a team. gloria, i'm starting with you. progressive democrats are furious over the house speaker's plan to hold a thursday vote on the bill decoupling it from the
larger spending bill. is biden going to be able to get this done? >> he's got to be able to get something done, don. i don't know what the size is going to be. it's not going to be $3.5 trillion if i had to guess it will be 2 or under and then an infrastructure plan. you know, this is a governing moment for the democratic party. they have control of washington. the white house, the house, the senate, yeah, there are slim majorities but they have to show the american public they can govern and i know that progressives want to deliver everything while at once and moderates don't and there is a lot of tension there and a lot of friction there because they're saying okay senator krysten sinema, tolell us what u want. there is not a lot of conversation going on there. joe mansion gets invited to the white house.
kyrsten sinema gets invited to the white house. they're not going there. they have to figure out how to get things done for the american people and go home for the midterm elections and say guess what? we're going to lower your prescription drug costs or your health care costs. something. they need to do something and they have to get out of their own way. >> progressives are really frustrated because they said the deal was these two bills could go in tandem and that is not what is happening. they're tired of giving, giving, giving and getting nothing back. senator mansion is saying it's wrong for progressives to hold a bipartisan bill hostage but are he and senator crkrysten sinema holding the larger bill hostage and not making commitments, charlie? >> sure, i think it works -- >> joe mansion and kyrsten sinema are correct here. the progressives are holding hostage. they're holding hostage. the bipartisan infrastructure
bill plain and simple. it's unreasonable for progressives to be condemning a lot of these moderates for not supporting a reconciliation bill that is simply not ready. how can they -- if i were a moderate democrat, i'd be setting myself on fire now over the fact they're being asked to support something that's not ready and far too big. these people are urging restraint these moderates and absolutely on the right track and the progressives should be ashamed for trying to blow up a job's bill, bipartisan jobs bill that has the support of organized labor. good luck explaining that at home. >> gloria, you wanted to respond. you were saying? >> yeah, look, i think that both sides have a right to be angry to a certain degree but this is so self-destructive. itself destructive behavior. they need to behave like adults and say look, here is what we disagree on and here is what we're not going to do. we'll put that on one side and try to do it. first of all, let's get the
things done that we can get done so we can preserve our majority instead of losing them in the next election. i know what progressives are saying. they're saying our people are the ones that came out in the election and they're going to sit at home if you don't do everything at once. i don't think that's necessarily true at all. i think the voters want to see the democrats govern and they want to see some things get done. they want an infrastructure bill. it's hugely popular. pieces of these legislations are very popular individually. so let the public know what it is you're voting on instead of just saying oh, $3.5 trillion. let them know what you're voting on, pass it together and say here is what is in store for you next and we did it without any republican help. >> charlie, you know, i want to talk about afghanistan now. top military leaders, some today appearing to contradict what the president said about whether to leave some troops in
afghanistan. is this a problem for administration? >> i do think it's a problem for administration, don, because i think the president laid out a false choice to the american people. his narrative was that we need to pull out every -- that we had to evacuate all of our troops or a massive escalation and the truth is, you know, we were better off with a residual force there. some presence to maintain what was an uneasy status quo but much better of the taliban controlled afghanistan. i think the generals, i think the president, this is a moment for him. he's very self-confident and very sure of himself and. -- wanted everybody out even though most of the military advisors did not advice this type of withdrawal and we heard that today from the generals. >> i enjoyed the conversation. see you both soon. thank you, gloria. thank you charlie. >> sure. he's confirming he's been vaccinated but he's not ready to encourage others to do so yet. >> you guys should know me. anything that i talk about, i don't talk about other people
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after doing my research and things of that nature, i felt it was best suited for me and my family and friends and that's why i decided to do it. >> joining me is nba legend kareem abdul-jabbar. you can get his take on these topics on his website. thank you for joining us. it was only last night you and i talked about lebron not disclosing his vaccination status. now we know. were you happy to hear it? >> yeah, i was happy to hear it. just the fact that he responded to the pressure to do the research. anybody who does the research will find that the vaccines are safe and they're effective. he is apparent. this is what it's all about for him and he's not like throwing himself out there as mr. supreme role model but as a parent and someone who is concerned about his health and his family's
health. he went and got vaccinated. so, you know, i have nothing but respect for him and his approach to it, i hope some people emulate what he's doing because the more knowledge we have, knowledge is power and people who know what is going on are able to be the ones that survive this. we've seen that the parts of the country that are the least vaccinated are the parts of the country that are now having an epidemic. >> yeah. yeah. >> this is definitely evidence of what we've been talking about all along. >> look, just one clarification to what lebron said there when you said do your research. i don't want people to think that means going online because that can be a dangerous place because not everything there, right, is checked. if you're going to the cdc
website, okay, good. but you should go to your doctors and listen to professionals and not be online because not all of that is true and accurate. >> good sources that you know are reliable and aren't a sham. it's not a sham. >> yeah. yeah. >> there is too much of that going on, people just saying the president was using household disinf disinfectants. >> and light and all of that. >> he stopped short of advocating for it. he said he doesn't think he should get involved with people's choice of their bodies saying it isn't the same as policing or brutality. is it an issue he's so out spoken and an advocate for those causes but not for the covid
vaccination? >> that -- how you make sense of what comes out of his mouth? you talking about the former president, right? >> no, no, i'm talking about lebron. he said he stopped short of advocating for people to get it saying it's their bodies and he doesn't want to get involved in people's choices about their bodies and not the same thing as racism and police brutality. >> right. >> but he's been out spoken about racism and police brutality so what do you think of that? >> lebron is an outspoken guy, and we're going to hear from him. that shouldn't surprise anyone. but like i said, lebron took the time to investigate and after he did that, he made a choice for himself and his family and said that look, you don't have to follow behind me but that's what he did and if he has to go
public, well, then, those are the facts. >> yeah. kareem abdul-jabbar, appreciate you joining us. this conversation will continue. you might be back here tomorrow if somebody else says something, another athlete about the vaccine so thank you for joining us. >> thank you for sharing some time with me. all the best and stay healthy. >> you, as well. so there is new information out about where brian laundrie was and who he was with right after returning home without his fiancee. that's up next. growing up in a little red house, on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world around us, and then go. go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. viking. exploring the world in comfort.
he vanished before petito's body was found in wyoming. let's discuss with mark om'mara and andrew mcelderry cake ever k -- mccabe. good evening, gentlemen. thank you so much. andrew, you're up first here. so the laundrie family went camping 75 miles from their home with brian when he returned home without gabby and days after returning from that trip, brian is reported to be missing. that raises a ton of questions, no? >> yes, yeah, for me, don, it raises a lot of questions about what does -- or what do laundrie's parents really know? because, you know, when you think about essentially taking a weekend camping vacation with your son who just returned from months on the road camping with his fiancee and returned without his fiancee, it's almost
impossible to imagine that conversations didn't take place between them about oh, i don't know, where is your fiancee and why did you leave her in wyoming or wherever he claimed to -- they had parted ways. >> so maybe he never told them. maybe he told them she was with her family. go on, i'm sorry. >> i guess that's possible but it really turns up the pressure on the strategy of bringing laundrie's parents in front of the grand jury. we know they is a grand jury because they have that indictment for the use of the, you know, unauthorized use of the credit card and i think that getting those folks in front of a grand jury on the record, asking them what they knew, what laundrie told them will be really important at this phase. >> mark is waiting to checko'ma. you said no way, you think they knew. >> there are very few questions left.
there is no doubt when he came back, there were going to be questions like where in god's name is gabby and whatever that conversation was, it wasn't just i left her. okay, let's go camping. there is no doubt these parents are doing what most parents would do, unfortunately, in this case and that is their protecting their son whether that was giving him a bunch of money, driving the car to the swamp where he was not and might that boy has never been in that swamp in the past two weeks but whatever. and i think that the desoto trip, maybe that's where they gave him the 75 mile head start heading north but they did what sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one, which is he did something wrong, whether it was a domestic violence event or heat of passion killing, he killed her it seems, comes back home. mom and dad protect him as best they can and eventually, if he's not in the swamp dead, he's going to be found and then we'll have to try and piece all this together. i like what andy said about the
grand jury but let me tell you the fbi and federal prosecutors are taking their time. they have their warrant out there. that's why they did the credit card charge so that they can actively look for him but they're going to take their time on the murder case and make sure every t is crossed and every i is dotted because when we get the parents in front of the grand jury, there is going to be an enormous amount of information they cannot wiggle their way through and they're going to take their time and do it well and do it once. >> listen, since you're on the subject of the family. you're an attorney. the laundrie family attorney is issuing a statement sayingrober brian is and they hope the fbi can locate him. you're a lawyer. does it strike you how little this family is saying given all that's happened right now? >> they're saying enormously little because they can't say much more. they don't want to put
themselves in the middle of interfering with a federal investigation of a crime. they don't want to put themselves in the middle of hard bo -- harboring a fugitive. so i think the attorney is doing the only thing he can do. it may be a true statement when he said those words, that they don't know where he is, they may not now. but the question is what they did to assist if anything and look, this is all guessing. i've done this for 35 years. that family seems to have helped their son move away from the area in a way that would minimize the chances of getting caught for a crime it looks undeniably that occurred. >> okay. so listen, then, mr. investigator here, how would the fbi know that? and how would investigators know? the police chief has now taken a leave of absence amid the investigation to the department's handling of this domestic violence episode
between petito and laundrie has been reported as an aggressor. >> the female that got hit, the male and female both got into the van and headed north. rp states between a male hit a female domestic, he got into a white ford transit van, has a black ladder on the back, florida plate quebec fox tango golf 03. the van turned right on main street from market and headed north. >> look, there is a lot there. it's a big question. you got what the family is doing in florida and how -- i don't understand how investigators in florida let this happen, him become missing and get away and you have that.
despite this 911 call that a witness had seen brian hit gabby, this incident was just categorized as a mental and emotional health break rather than a domestic assault. was that enough to remove petito from a potentially dangerous situation? was enough done there? >> that's a good question. there is a reasonable view that under utah law they should have done more, whether that's simply issuing citations to the both of them for being involved in a mutual domestic event or actually bringing people in and arresting them. that's a question that they'll have to answer. but what i think is really interesting for the investigators here trying to find brian is watching that video. you see how adapt brian is at really manipulating the officers to believe that he was not the aggressor in that interaction. by the time they send them on their way, it seems like their view of it is she hit brian and
he had some indication of that on his hands or arms or what have you and that she was the aggressor and that he was trying to diffusion the situation and i think that's largely a result of his effective kind of manipulative communications with him. that's what you're dealing with if you're out there looking for brian laundrie. right now you're looking for a pretty smart, pretty savvy, pretty manipulative guy and you have to factor that into your understanding of what you're looking for. >> thank you both. appreciate it. it's not a covid cure but for some reason, people keep taking it and now take this, new mexico is reporting at least two deaths tied to ivermectin. stay with us. with extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. (doorbell rings) jolly good. fire. (horse neighing) elton: nas? yeah? spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? bangers and mash? i'm... i'm sorry?
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people, and spread this. yeah. just put it everywhere so people see this. pandemics are killing people. coronavirus and misinformation. netflix says two people died after people used a drug wrongly touted as a covid treatment. are you listening everybody out there? ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug used most often in livestock. it is not a covid treatment. a watchdog group is reporting there are 60 facebook groups dedicated to ivermectin with tens of thousands of members. more than two dozen of which have shut down for posts like this. i quote, ivermectin is clearly the answer to solve covid and the world is waking up to the truth. it's not. don't believe that. but facebook isn't the only place where the ivermectin curiosity has been spreading. >> you have hydroxychloroquine, which of course got political and totally maligned,
ivermectin, vitamin d, zinc. >> 100,000 lives might have been saved if they let the public and doctors talk about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and prescribe it without being called by a pharmacist as if they are doing something illegal. >> they seem to keep saying the vaccination is the only answer. >> the media hates this. they call ivermectin a horse medication. pharmacies in some places are refusing to fill the drug. why? >> i mean, people actually sit there and watch that all day long. no one hates ivermectin. that would be bizarre. you hate ivermectin? i mean, it's misinformation that is the problem. like what is all over the fox propaganda airwaves? health officials warn while ivermectin can be prescribed for humans, it is not a cure for the coronavirus.
in texas calls to poison control about ivermectin exposure have more than tripled in the last year. so why are people buying into these get sick quick schemes? especially when we have vaccines that are free and effective? well, tonight roughly 7 million eligible americans are still not vaccinated. and the rate of a new -- of new vaccinations is as low as it's been since the cdc began tracking. so please, we know what we need to do to keep people safe. doctors aren't hiding it from you. in fact, they are begging you. get vaccinated. next, patience wearing thin and anxiety growing. democrats worried their agenda is about to collapse. stay with us. had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com
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