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bush is giving birth to her first child on monday, cora georgia. ana picks up our kocoverage rig now. thanks for being with me. i'm ana cabrera. we're running out of time and the white house running toward a political disaster. they have less than 48 hours to avoid a partial shutdown and avoid a debt default which could happen next month which could be catastrophic to the u.s. economy. minutes ago house speaker nancy pelosi said the house will move forward with legislation to suspend the debt limit, and that is just one of several interconnected and incredibly urgent priorities on congress' plate right now.
also on the agenda? the bipartisan infrastructure bill. that is scheduled for a house vote tomorrow. for the moment. there is also the massive $3.5 trillion spending bill, the biggest in history, dealing with the climate, the nation, health care and more. president biden is behind closed doors pressuring democrats who are still not on board with that bill. phil mattingly is at the white house for us, and lauren is on the hill. speaker pelosi wanted the house to vote on that bill tomorrow, but senator joe manchin may have just derailed that plan. what happened? >> reporter: this is what happened. earlier this morning the house speaker coming out of her whip meeting essentially walked away and said what she needs to see before this vote tomorrow is some kind of agreement on legislative text, exactly what is going to be inside that bigger $3.5 trillion proposal
before she is able to get the votes and bring to the floor that smaller bipartisan infrastructure bill that already passed the senate. well, that is a really heavy lift, because you have just about 24 hours before the bipartisan infrastructure bill is supposed to be on the floor. and so far there has been no indication from sinema or manchin that they are even going to publicly announce what their top line number would be for how much they would be willing to spend on that bigger bill. that's before you get to other sticking points and tax increases, how to meet the benefits of that larger bill. that has been the sticking point all along and there is no sign anything will change over the next 24 hours. manchin was asked directly about what pelosi said this morning and he said that's not going to happen. we're not going to get there. he said it flat out. i think that is just a clear indication of how dug in both sides are. everyone is expecting that the other side is going to blink,
and at this point, there is really no sign that that is going to happen. so the big question mark, will house speaker nancy pelosi bring that infrastructure bill to the floor tomorrow as she promised her moderates, or will she be forced to wait again? because as the speaker has said, she doesn't like to put things on the floor, bring legislation to the floor if she doesn't actually have the votes to pass it. so that is the sticking point that she and other democratic leaders are in going into this big vote tomorrow. >> it's huge not only for the american people but also for the white house. we know president biden canceled a trip today in order to help try to broker a deal of some sort. phil, you learned this morning that one of the senators who hasn't been on board with that bigger reconciliation package, senator kyrsteniryrsten sinema meeting with top democrats.
>> reporter: they need something from those two senators, senators manchin and sinema, to show to progressives to allow that vote tomorrow to actually pass, to have the votes to move forward. the effort they've put in with sinema, the moderate, in the last 24 hours is something unparalleled to what i've seen the last several years. she met with president biden in the oval office, then came back to meet with the staff level, making clear other concerns that she had. now she's meeting once again with the president's top legislative advisors and some of his policy officials to continue that process. the effort from the white house side of things is to basically address every single thing she brings up in an effort to get her comfortable. and here's why. the message that senator sinema told president biden was essentially, i'm not there yet. there is more work to do. that's why you see a staff follow-up and such an urgent
action from the white house that even if the bill fails, this is far from over. it's clear how necessary this is for the president's entire agenda. they want to hit that deadline, and in order to do that, they need some kind of framework they can show progressives from senators manchin and sinema. >> thank you, phil mattingly and lauren fox. when we come back we'll speak with a house democrat in the middle of all of this. he's in the middle of the progressive caucus. stay with us at this hour. trillions of dollars is what we're talking about and trickle down benefits for millions of americans. what can this actually buy? what's at stake here, tom? >> it can buy a lot if it has a chance to, the question is will it? the key bills at stake here, this is a traffic jam, a
collision, between the infrastructure bill at 3.5 million, the debt suspension, all of this happening at once is the problem. look at this infrastructure bill. this is something that has a lot of support on both sides of the aisle, or it has been, and both parties have talked for years about needing to do this, improvements on roads and bridges, improving the power grid, high-speed internet, many places that don't have it, airports, viral remediation and electric chargers. all of this is in the infrastructure bill. this is something without question, ana, that many people in washington have said for years and years they want passed and they have the votes to pass, but only in theory right now, ana. >> this infrastructure bill is just a bargaining chip essentially right now to a much larger reconciliation spending
bill. so what's in that one? >> that's why it's in theory, because it is a bargaining chip, as you noted. the build back better plan which is a cornerstone of the biden agenda moving forward has a lot of things in it that a lot of progressives really like. universal pre-k, child support, more money for pell grants, child tax credits, climate measures, reduced drug costs, senior aids on medicare. what we have is this push-pull right now where you have those who say, we might want the infrastructure bill, but we won't give it to you unless you guarantee us we can work on this. that's really the problem. moving forward, what does the public think about it? the public thinks this is a pretty good idea. they would like to do it on both measures, but that doesn't mean lawmakers are on bothard.
>> we can say about 50% on both sides for this bill. today brand new numbers from new york that prove vaccine mandates work. right now health care workers in new york are required to be vaccinated. new york says that as of monday night when the vaccine mandate officially went into effect, 92% of hospital staff, 92% of nursing home staff and 89% of adult care facility staff had received one dose of the covid vaccine. consider a week ago all these numbers were in the 80s. we're talking about a significant jump in vaccines as the mandate moves closer. we sat down with two of them. >> at some point push will come
to shove and they'll say, you must be vaccinated or you won't have a job. >> reporter: they are refusing the covid-19 vaccine no matter what. do either of you have a job today? >> currently i am employed. >> reporter: do you have a job? >> i do have a job. i'm actually on medical leave with a surgical procedure i had. >> reporter: both don't trust the vaccine and its side effects, both have requested a religious exemption. >> reporter: what religion are you? >> catholic. >> reporter: even though the pope got the vaccine, you won't give in? >> i feel he's a hypocrite. >> this is god's man on earth. he's the bishop. >> however, he's not abiding by the bible. >> reporter: both said they would get tested on a weekly basis instead of getting the
vaccine. that's not enough for the state of new york. >> you need to be assured that the person caring for you is not going to give covid to you or your newborn. >> reporter: she works in a neonatal icu. do you worry about giving covid to a child that's in your care? >> no. because we're all required to wear and use ppe. we're trained professionals. we know how to use it properly. >> reporter: both believe covid-19 is real but don't b believe the statistics when it comes to reporting covid deaths and whether the vaccine is effective. the number of people who die and are vaccinated are extremely low compared to those who die every week from covid-19. >> that's a misconception. >> reporter: i've talked to them myself. thousands of people are dying from covid-19 in this country. >> here's the thing. there's several hundreds of
thousands of people that were put on hospice five. five months before covid came, they had brain tumors, they had lung cancer, they had copd, they had other illnesses, and yet on their actual death certificate, they deemed that it was for covid. >> reporter: you can't even accept that the vaccines work? >> no, i'm not convinced that they work yet. >> me, either. >> reporter: there's so much suppressed science out there globally. >> reporter: both women who got covid-19 feel betrayed. a year ago people cheered them. today they feel their options for a livelihood are being ripped away. so what's next for you two? >> that's the number one thing that frustrates me the most is that we were all together. we were all united. and then all of a sudden these mandates come out and then they're fearful of losing their jobs and they're being told, oh, this is safe and you're in the
wrong. >> i believe the fabric of our civilized, free society is truly at a precipice, and when i lay my head down not only at night but at the end of my life, if i'm given a moment, i want to know and i want my descendants to know that i did everything that i could and that i fought -- >> for what we believe in. >> -- for what i know to be true and right. if that costs me everything, so be it. >> our thanks to miguel marcus for that report. just in to cnn, the nba announcing they will withhold pay for basketball players who miss games because of vaccine mandates. they warned the n nets and the
warriors they would lose pay if they were not vaccinated or exempted. it does not require players from visiting teams to compete in those arenas. lebron james telling reporters he is now vaccinated after initially being a skeptic. ahead, what changed his mind at a time when vaccination rates are falling fast. first, from harassing female staffers, the chief of staff melania chump laying out claims in a new book. cnn just got a new copy. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. (doorbell rings) jolly good. fire. (horse neighing) elton: nas? yeah? spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? bangers and mash? i'm... i'm sorry? i don't have any money. you don't look broke.
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new polling shows 34% says yes, they'll vaccinate their kids. 42%, however, say they're unlikely to do so. let's bring in our experts. dr. leana wen is a former physician and also the author of "lifelines: the doctor's journey of public health." also the doctor in philadelphia. he's also a member of the vaccine committee and is a co-decider in immunizations. we know the data was just submitted by pfizer yesterday, and you're on this committee of fda advisors. can you give us any insight to what that data shows and an update on the timeline for
possible authorization. are we talking halloween, thanksgiving? what should be our expectations? >> the pfizer committee hasn't seen those data yet. looking forward to seeing it, looking forward to seeing the pfizer data. we know it was a third of the dose given to older adolescents and adults, how did they come to that? what range of studies have they done. then look at every one of those children to make sure that those who got the vaccine, that the vaccine was safe and it reduced the immune response consistently. not just in 80%, 90% but in all children who got that vaccine they had a bigger response. mostly the question we'll try to answer is would we give this own vaccine to our family members. when we see the data we'll know. you talk about 40% of people wouldn't get the vaccine. i think that makes sense. i think they should wait to see the data before they make a
decision about getting the vaccine. >> dr. wen, i know you've been pretty vocal, that you're waiting to give your children the vaccine as soon as they're eligible, and i know that's waiting for the authorization, but are you surprised at the number of parents who are unlikely to do so? >> i'm not surprised, ana, but i'm also not that concerned, either. we know there will always be a group that wants to be first in line. they're the early adopters. as soon as the vaccine is out, they want to sign up their kids, they probably signed themselves up initially. there is another group on the opposite extreme who will just not get their kids vaccinated. if parents are not vaccinated, they're anti-vaxxers, it's unlikely they'll get their kids vaccinated, either. some will wait and see a little bit. others need an additional push. that is, if vaccines are required to do school sports, or if there's something that comes with getting vaccinated. if an entire class is vaccinated, maybe all the kids can remove their masks. if a child is vaccinated, they
no longer have to quarantine every time they're exposed. i think something like that will give all the parents in the middle who are not sure of the additional incentive to get their kids vaccinated. >> back to the timeline, what is your sense? >> hard to know. i can tell you the fda has asked us to set aside a number of dates in october, presumably to review this data, but we'll know when we know. hopefully once we get the data and review it, usually we make a recommendation. if you assume the recommendation was yes, usually within two days the fda accepts that recommendation. within a few days the cdc looks at the same data and makes a recommendation. when the process starts, it should be completed within a month. hopefully by halloween, but i'm guessing. >> when we talk about the hesitant right now. we know there are still about 70 million adults and older children who are eligible currently who have not gotten vaccinated yet.
one very high-profile holdout was lebron james as we discussed moments ago. he just announced he is now vaccinated after initially being very skeptical, and here's part of what he said. >> after doing my research and things of that nature, i felt like it was best suited not only for me but for my family and friends, and that's why i decided to do it. >> dr. wen, i've seen a lot of mixed reactions to those remarks. what's your response to hearing how he made this decision and what message did he send? >> it sends a strong message because of who he is. there are a lot of people who are looking at our athletes, our movie stars, et cetera, as influencers. their opinions do matter. i also think it matters that he was someone who is skeptical before and he's talking about the change. that makes him a lot more relatable to people who are holdouts, because they may not find someone who got the vaccine early very relatable. to hear someone like him has
changed their mind, and i do like the message it's about protecting himself but about his family, his friends and people around him, too. >> dr. offitt, there is a large new study. one in three covid survivors still have symptoms three to six months after infection, including breathing problems, abdominal symptoms such as diarrhea. 270,000 people recovering from covid and it found the effects were slightly more in those who had been hospitalized and in women. what's your reaction to these lingering symptoms? >> i think one of the characteristics of this virus that is particularly awful is it requires you to make an immune response to the lining of your blood vessels, causing an inflammation of your blood vessels. every area can be affected, not
only the heart but the lungs, kidneys. it's an inflammation to blood vessels because every organ in your body has a blood supply, every organ is potentially infected. if you asked me at the gbeginnig of this pandemic, what scared you the most about getting the vaccine? it was that, the capacity to induce your own immune system to be sunlbjected to the lining of your lungs and it's more reason to get the vaccine. >> people say i don't want to die, but they don't want to deal with these symptoms. dr. leana wen, dr. offitt, thank you for being with us. the only one standing in the way is their own party. the ones threatening to sink the
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the biden agenda hangs in the balance. kirsten sinema has a $3.5 t trillion package and that's everything from health care spending to climate change. joining us is congressman. are you a big yes on the infrastructure bill? >> i'm a yes on the infrastructure bill, but i don't believe it will come to the floor until we have a better idea of what we can do in the build back better agenda. one of the areas of frustration
of our two senators have so far done a good job saying what they're against but not what they're for. we have the debt ceiling, we have keeping government open, we have the infrastructure bill and we have the build back better act. three out of four of those are bipartisan, and we ought not use those areas of agreement in order to tank the president's agen agenda, and we certainly, as democrats, shouldn't be participating in that. >> first are you of the mindset right now that there will not be a vote tomorrow on the infrastructure bill? >> well, i don't think there will be a vote. at least my advice has been to hold the vote when we can pass the bill. it makes no sense in the majority to put a bill on the floor in order to see it go down in flames. it has no utility. so my advice has been let's bring that bill to the floor when we're confident we can pass
it. if it means we have to get more assurances from our friends in the senate, that ought to be the focus of all this energy, not this infighting over a tactical question. they really need to come clean with what they're willing to vote for. >> you're talking about manchin and sinema in the senate and their part in voting for the reconciliation bill, right? that piece is down the road, right? i know you want assurances and other members of the caucus are willing to say no to assurances. at this point as the chief democrat whip in the house for democrats, how many in your party are planning to vote no if there is a vote on the infrastructure bill without those assurances? >> we don't have a good number. we really haven't been whipping it yet because we don't have a bill on the floor yet. but i will say this. it seems to be enough to prevent us from moovlg forward at this
po point in time. >> do you have a ballpark? >> no, i do not. i know there are a good numbers of members in the progressive caucus that feel this way. my view is this. when the bill goes to the floor, i'll vote for it. but i'm confident that the speaker will come up with a strategy and he's been working on a strategy that will get us the level of assurance that we can get in order to move forward. what i don't like is the senators saying pass the bill and then we'll tell you what we're for. that's not responsible. they understand if there is a trust gap, one of the ways to bridge that is to be transparent. what i haven't seen so far is any indication of what those two senators would vote for. if they can do that, then -- >> i hear you say that, but it also falls on the house to do their part to pass legislation, and the bipartisan infrastructure bill already passed in the senate, so they could argue they've done their
part on that legislation, which is also going to help every american. your colleague congressman gonzalez from texas told us that infrastructure bill provides $1 billion because it's a $1.2 trillion bill overall, $1 billion to every member's district. what do you fear if this all falls apart? >> if it falls apart, obviously we get nothing, and that's not acceptable. it's for that reason that i say when this bill, the infrastructure bill, goes to the floor, i'll support it. but i do think that while it is true that our senate colleagues have said we've done our part, now you do yours, they also passed a reconciliation framework with the understanding that they weren't sold on the top line of 3.5, but that we could negotiate something that was more acceptable to them. so they can't simply say, well, we held up our half of the deal, you have to hold up your half. there is another piece of this that they are responsible for.
so i'm hoping that somehow the pressure that we're all feeling right now will also put them in a position where they have to do some work and tell us what they're actually willing to do. >> hopefully they will. are you having any conversations with the progressive members of your caucus, the progressive caucus, in trying to get them from a no to a yes should the vote go through without a deal? >> if there's no deal, i don't think there will be a vote, and it won't pass. so i let every member think for themselves and decide for themselves. i just want to make sure when they're doing that we all understand the full consequence of that action. i do believe if and when the bill goes to the floor, using the lerchl they can use now is wise to an extent, but you can only use leverage until you don't have it anymore. once that piece of legislation is on the floor, then it's a policy question, can we do that or not.
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a hypersonic missile. that is what north korea is claiming it tested yesterday, and this is a huge deal, because if true, experts say the missile has the potential to be one of the world's fastest, most accurate weapons and it could be fitted with a nuclear warhead. with us now is gordon chang, author of "losing south korea" and also author of "nu "nuclear showdown: north korea takes the world." what is north korea up to, do you think? >> north korea wants these weapons because it wants to
encourage south korea to surrender. it also wants to make sure that japan and other countries don't come to its rescue. this is part of their entire plan to rule the entire peninsula. >> i've heard these missiles can be really hard to shoot down. what would that mean for north korea, china, et cetera? >> it would mean that our ground base interceptors would not work against north korea's missiles. that means north korea would be able to intimidate the united states. the one that was tested on tuesday flew 2.5 times the speed of sound. that's not very fast, but that's just the first test, and i'm sure they'll make substantial improvements. >> why now? this kim jong-un sort of challenging president biden right now as he's dealing with the afghanistan fallout, the fights over his domestic
political agenda? do you think it's a message intended for the u.s.? >> well, usually north korean leaders will test a new american president in the early months. and part of this, as you know, we've seen in the last two weeks a number of missile tests. cruise missile tests and a ballistic missile test. they're coming all at the same time and i think they probably believe the biden administration, for various reasons, is not going to challenge them, especially because right now the biden team is involved not only in foreign issues elsewhere, but also domestic ones. >> gordon chang, it's a pleasure to have you with us. thank you for your insights and perspective. good to see you. >> thank you, ana. damning details and a whole lot of them. the chief of staff melania trump tell
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from tuerrifying temper tantrums to an abusive love life, that's what it was like in the white house. stephanie grisham wrote a book and never did have a press conference. joining us now, cnn's kate bennett. kate, you got an early copy of the book. you've read it. i'm so curious what it really revealed to us, because tlfrs so much drama during the trump years. we all thought we had seen it all at that point. >> melania trump had been with the trump administration five years or so with stephanie grisham. she made her living taking down the people she's now asking to have believe her on all this so it's very complicated. one of the things she does talk about former donald trump's relationship with, vladimir putin and behind the scenes
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woman back to the cabin in the plane and one point told others to point out a particular body part of hers. there was an environment there that was toxic. she talks about the trump marriage, a big curiosity for many americans. and that allegations of trump's affairs emboldened melania trump and her anger, made her more independent, less joined with him. and that, of course, created a really interesting dynamic in the first couple. donald trump did push back on this book, though, saying he doesn't believe it. he calls it garbage, calls it left-wing rhetoric, left-wing publishers. he denies it and, of course, is saying that the allegations that grisham makes in the book simply are not true. >> interesting. kate bennett, appreciate it. thank you for bringing it to us. >> thank you. britney spears, her future and fight to end a 13-year conservatorship could come down to this moment.
hours from now a los angeles judge is deciding whether to keep the pop star's father, jamie spears, on as her conservator. he could be replaced or the conservatorship could be dissolved entirely. britney, her fight for freedom sparked that whole free britney movement. she has called the arrangement abusive, exploitive. her father denies ever acting in anything other than his daughter's best interest. joining us now is sarah azari, a criminal defense attorney in los angeles. how do you see this going today? do you think we'll see the conservatorship lifted? >> look, there's two issues before the court today. as you said, one is to remove -- whether her father should be removed as conservator and second is to all together terminate this conservatorship. the latter as you know likely. i think her father is more likely to be removed. i think there's been a sufficient showing why he is not acting in her best interest. she's try ing to negotiate a prenup and to the extent she has a conservator, that conservator will be heavily involved in that process. we know her father has conflict
of interest with her. he has a toxic relationship with her. and so she wanted him out yesterday. but with respect to the termination of the conservatorship itself, this is a process. tea not a one-stop type of hearing where you get that order. it was a pro to place this conservatorship in the first place back in the day, 13 years ago, due to a mental breakdown. the court determined she needs a conservator. by that same virtue, there's a process here. best analogy i can give you, ana, is going from an icu bed to your own bed. it doesn't happen that way. there's transitional care. there's lower level of care. and i think there needs to be a transition plan for britney in place before this conservatorship ends. so the court is either going to order a mental health evaluation and/or a mediation where the parties can sit together, they all agree that the conservatorship should end but they need to come up with a plan. >> it might not be over and done, done at the end of today, even if that conservatorship is
lifted, it sounds like there's a bit of a process that takes place. over the summer, of course, britney said she wanted to press charges against her father in her conservatorship in which she called abuse, calling the arrangement cruelty. jamie spears actually filed to end this conservatorship earlier this month, a lot of people were surprised. do you think that's a maneuver to evade accountability? >> 100%. he knows, and britney's attorneys made it very clear that there are depositions coming. there's discovery under oath. and he does not want any accountability for what seems to be misappropriated monies over the course of this conservatorship. so he thinks that the quicker this conservatorship is lifted, the easier he is going to go unscathed. that's not going to be the case with this particular attorney that's representing britney. i think what's going to happen is there will be a deposition, forensic accounting.
he is going to have to return any monies that were misappropriated or misspent. and to the extent that there was willfulness and criminal intent involved, he can be procsecuted under california law for conservatorship abuse, for adult abuse. so he remains exposed. i think, an a, the most telling thing is, in a deposition, the first words out of jamie's mouth, if he invokes his fifth, then we know that he will believes he's exposed. >> it will be interesting to see how this unfolds in the next couple of hours. sara azari, thank you so much for being here. that does it for us today. we'll see you back tomorrow at 1:00 eastern. meantime join me on twi twitter @anacabrera. the news continues next. everything felt like a “no.” but then paul went from no to know. with freestyle libre 14 day, now he knows how food affects his glucose. and he knows when to make different choices. take the mystery out of your glucose levels
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hello, everyone. thank you for joining me on "newsroom." i'm alison camerota. two major bills, one on infrastructure, the other on the social safety net. neither side seems willing to bend. house speak er nancy pelosi say she plans to hold a vote for the bipartisan infrastructure package tomorrow and says she'll do it even if the larger bill to expand the social safety net is